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18 Oct 2017 08:41:55
CHI/NY/MIL

CHI get Joakim Noah & 1st round pick NYK (top 7 protected)

NY get Bobby Portis, Greg Monroe (exp) & MIL 2nd round pick

MIL get Robin Lopez

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18 Oct 2017 11:39:58
It would take more than a first to get rid of Noah's contract and why give up Lopez and Portis to take that on?

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17 Oct 2017 18:02:09
Cle: McCollum+ Porzingis

Port: K Love+ I Thomas

NY: Z Collins+Zizic+ 1rnd pick Nets+ 1rnd pick Portland+ 1rnd pick Cle 2020

Cle:
C:Porzingis/ T Thompson
PF: LBJ/Frye
SF:Crowder/ Osman
SG: D wade/ K Korver
PG: McCollum/ D Rose

Portland:
C Nurkic
PF: K Love
Sf: Harkless
Sg:Turner
Pg: D Lillard
Sixth: IT

NY can start a rebuilt (real tanking without Porzingis) they will have two high lottery picks so they could draft Doncic and Porter in next year's draft.

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17 Oct 2017 20:56:45
Cleveland getting way too much.

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17 Oct 2017 23:05:58
Why does Portland do this?

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18 Oct 2017 00:06:08
Cleveland is getting to much, but i think this trade would make Portland a better team. The combo K Love+ Nurkic would be great. And IT could be an awesome sixth man in that team.

And NY should go for a total rebuilt. They would win 35-40 games with Porzingis, so they can't draft a great player and they can't sign a bigg free agent. This could make Porzingis unhappy. Trading him for the Nets pick, gives their own pick more value.
Tanking is the best way to create a superteam. They could end up with the two top picks and draft Porter and Doncic. And they could draft Barret the year after.

This could be a contender by 2023
C: Collins
PF: Zigic
SF :Porter
SG: Barret
PG: Doncic.

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18 Oct 2017 00:44:12
I hate it for Portland. You can’t bring Thomas off the bench, but Lillard and Thomas would be a train wreck defensively. I think I’d rather go for porzingis if I’m Portland, offering McCollum, Collins, and a pick.

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18 Oct 2017 08:27:03
@BMiller

The Knicks should go for a rebuilt, not trade a young star for an older star.

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18 Oct 2017 10:13:27
CJ is 26, which I would not consider old. Throw in Collins and a 1st, and I would not mind moving Zinger for that.

Kris is obviously not going to be a bust, but I'm not sold on him taking the next step towards Super Stardom. I'm not a fan of his "opportunistic" defense (block or bust) and I'm a kitten concerned with his overall drive to continue his improvement. I hope I'm wrong, and I very much may be proven to be, but it would not shock me if he spends his career putting up 18, 8 and two block stat lines while making just one or two all-star games.

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18 Oct 2017 12:01:14
comme on Triangle.

McCollum is 26, they already have Ntilikina.
They would still win 35-40 games
They still can't sign another big free agent and they still stay mediocre.
If NY trades Porzingis, it should be for younger players and draft picks.
It's the only way to create a superteam and become a contender.

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17 Oct 2017 15:48:18
Bulls-Heat

Bulls: Justice Winslow and 2nd round pick

Heat: Jerian Grant and Bobby Portis.

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17 Oct 2017 18:03:00
The Heat need a four and Portis could be a good fit in that team, but no way they trade Winslow for him.

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17 Oct 2017 23:07:12
We know what Portis is, but we're waiting to see if Winslow can become a star. Miami says no for now.

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17 Oct 2017 14:03:41
Drummond for Shumpert, Thompson and 2018 BRK pick

Cavs resign Derrick Williams

Cavs 5
Thomas
Wade
James
Love
Drummond

6th man Crowder

Bench
Rose/Calderon
Smith/Holland
Osman/Korver
Green/Williams
Frye/Zizic

Pistons 5
Jackson
Bradley
Johnson
Harris
Thompson

6th man Shumpert

Bench
Smith/Galloway
Kennard/Buycks
Bullock/Montero
Leuer/Tolliver/Moreland
Marjanovic/Ellenson

Cavs become non-destructable.

Pistons have +33 wins according to Hollinger's. They may not be winning player-wise but the Brooklyn pick is going to turn up something high.

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17 Oct 2017 15:06:01
I don't think Drummond is a big enough upgrade over Thompson to justify giving up a potential top 5 pick in a loaded draft. Maybe if Detroit was really motivated to move Drummond and they would take that package with this years Cavs first the 2021 first something like top 10 protected and either Zizic or Osman, I could see it.

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17 Oct 2017 18:04:10
I wouldn't trade the Nets pick for Drummond.

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17 Oct 2017 00:29:22
Bucks get O'Quinn Noah 2 ny 2nd 1 La 2nd
Lakers get Kanter Baker McDermott Beasley Randle
Knicks get Henson Deng Clarkson Bogut Teletovic

Lakers dump Deng at cost of Clarkson.
Bucks get quality center depth behind Monroe to give them great balance in the east. Add picks for equal talent.
Knicks rebuild with def.

Clarkson/Ntilikina/Jack
Lee/Dotson/Session
Hardaway/Deng/Kuzminkas
Henson/Thomas/Teletovic
Porzingis/Hernangomez/Bogut

Brogdan/Dellavedova/Terry
Middleton/Snell/Brown
Giannis/Wilson/Vaughn
Maker/Parker/Sanders
Monroe/O'Quinn/Noah

Ball/Ennis/Baker
Pope/Brewer/Hart
Ingram/Kuzma/McDermott
Randle/NanceJr/O'Bryant
Lopez/Kanter/Zubac

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17 Oct 2017 04:40:09
Wow, there's a lot of garbage floating around in this one. I don't like it for anyone.

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17 Oct 2017 13:14:33
The Bucks quickly say no. Is O'quinn even an upgrade over Henson? And considering teams can buy 2nd
Round picks for around 2 million dollars, the Bucks would need to get around 27 2nd round picks for this to make sense.

I think the Lakers turn this down as well. Why give up Clarkson if it doesn't open up the cap space that you want next year.

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16 Oct 2017 17:03:02
The Thunder traded J Harden to Houston for Lamb+ Martin+ 1rnd pick (Adams)

Two other teams had a chance

Toronto offered Valaciunas+T Ross, but they thought Valanciunas would have a higher sealing.
Imagine:
C: A Johnson
PF: Bargnani
SF: Derozan
Sg: Harden
PG:Lowry

The other team was Washington, they offered Beal and Singleton


What do you guys think would have been the best trade?

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16 Oct 2017 17:13:51
beal might have made a huge difference in kd staying in okc.

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16 Oct 2017 18:33:58
If not trading isn't an option, Beal. It's hard to judge in retrospect though. Lamb looked like a potentially solid player with upside and Martin was coming off a huge year.

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16 Oct 2017 18:50:54
On the surface i think the Washington offer was best. There is no way to know what impact those offers would have made on future moves though.

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16 Oct 2017 08:58:17
Miami: A Horford+ 1rnd pick clippers and Vancouver

Boston: H Whiteside

I really like Horford and he's a great player for Boston, but they need a defensive center. And they can't take another big contract unless they trade Horford, who's 31 years old, so they should trade him before he becomes a bad contract. They should try to get Gobert first, but Whiteside is a good second if that fails.

The Heat do this, because Dragic and Horford would be a good combo next year that will make the playoffs and they receive two draft picks, so they can develop some young talents and hit the free agent market in 2020

This Boston team could challenge Cleveland and Golden State
Boston:
C: Whiteside/ Ojeleye
PF: Morris/ Yabusele
SF: Hayward/ Tatum
SG: Smart/ Brown
PG: Irving/ Rozier

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16 Oct 2017 12:39:42
Vancouver? Memphis moving home?

Don't hate the deal, Boston could use a more traditional Center while Miami is weak at the four. I think the C's will leave it alone for now though.

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16 Oct 2017 13:35:38
damn i'm living in the 90's again :-)

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16 Oct 2017 13:47:27
The Celtics would have two all nba players, a defensive center, that's a borderline all star. Two young talents on the bench, that could make the difference, when the stars are resting. And smart is playing for a bigg contract.
And they keep the Lakers pick, so they could draft an extra asset next year. (The Memphis pick is top 7 protected and the Clippers pick is lottery protected, so it's not a big lose) .

Horford is important, but they lost J Crowder and A Bradley.
The Celtics would have no proplem scoring. Irving and Hayward can both score and pass the ball, so horford's passing skills and 3-point shot would be less important (And Cleveland couldn't beat GS with Love, so Horford would propaply fail too against GS's system. )
You can't win a chamionship withoud defense.
Whiteside is a great rimprotector, so i believe he's the missing link for Boston.

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16 Oct 2017 15:01:51
Gasupo, I'm not sure how you can put the finals loss on Love. He played reasonably well. The Cavs were just out manned. Guarding Curry and Durant, while not being able to come off Thompson is almost impossible even with great perimeter defenders. The Cavs had mediocre perimeter defenders at best. Not to mention that the Warriors defense is really good and they had the personnel to hold the Cavs shooters in check some what.

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16 Oct 2017 15:50:14
I don't blame K Love for the loss, but he couldn't make the difference.
K Love or Horford can't hurt Golden state, because D Green will get his rebounds and he will get his passes to Curry, durant And Thompson. Every rebound Whiteside gets is a rebound Green can't pass to KD, Curry or Thompson.

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16 Oct 2017 15:58:01
Hayward can guard Thompson
Irving can guard Curry
And Smart can guard Durant
Whiteside can guard D Green
Smart can't shoot, so KD, curry, Thompson can also guard Irving, Morris and Hayward.
They have an equal starting five on defence and offence

J Brown could guard Iguodala, so Boston would have a chance if Tatum and J Brown both develop offensive skills.

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16 Oct 2017 16:18:16
Irving can't guard Curry, Durant probably has 9 inches on Smart, and Whiteside would struggle guarding Green on the perimeter and guarding Green would keep him away from the basket most of the time which is where he's most effective.

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16 Oct 2017 16:20:54
Also, look at Love's rebounding in the finals. He and Lebron probably had 2/ 3s of the Cavs rebounds.

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16 Oct 2017 17:21:36
id be happy with this return as miami. i think whiteside has pretty much hit his ceiling so miami should take this offer while his value is high. its hard to tell what miami’s franchise goals are rn, but the two picks are quite useful and horford is a great addition skills and leadership-wise. and i agree with op, a defensive big is boston’s biggest hole, and whiteside is a great B-option if gobert is out of reach.

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16 Oct 2017 06:06:57
Mavs should add an stronger SG that can attack the rim and run plays as well by defending good.

Cavs:
-McRoberts

Mavs:
-Shumpert

For now Mavs would improve the backcourt.

Maybe Shumpert plays a great year or he is willing to step out for the next year. If not, Shumpert and Wes are similar Players, Wes may a bit more committed overall but next year he is older as has only 1y 17m left. So if Shumpert works or stays Mavs could trade Wes to a contender / good team that Need some SG/SF to free cap space. (Pelicans, Raptors, Pistons or LAC or OKC)

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16 Oct 2017 09:00:35
That would be a good move for both teams.

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16 Oct 2017 13:35:06
Shumpert has no value.

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16 Oct 2017 14:15:21
Not a fan of it for the Cavs. Atleast until IT is back Shumpert looks to be in the rotation and after trading Jefferson, the Cavs would end up being pretty thin on the wing if someone missed time. Plus, the Cavs have 4 more traditional bigs on the roster and it looks like their plans is to only play them at the 5. I don't think Mcroberts would in the Cavs rotation and the chances he is even reasonably healthy this year are pretty slim.

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16 Oct 2017 14:54:02
Supercollider, neither does Mcroberts. What's your point?

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17 Oct 2017 04:43:09
Well rkenne, now that Melo's been dealt Super has to find someone new to pile on!

100% agreed rkenne.

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16 Oct 2017 04:11:37
PHX/MIL

PHX get Malcolm Brogdon & John Henson

MIL get Eric Bledsoe & Marquese Chriss

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16 Oct 2017 05:59:56
Sure.

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16 Oct 2017 09:06:47
It's an overpay for The Suns, They would want at least a draft pick.

Chriss>>>> Henson
Beldsoe >>> Brogdon

Bledsoe is a borderline all star, he's older than Brogdon, but he's only 28 years old and on a reasonable contract. So the Suns would only do this if they're sure he can't stay healty.

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16 Oct 2017 14:16:40
Take Chriss out and maybe Phoenix thinks about it, but unless they're high on Brogdon, I think they would want a pick as well.

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16 Oct 2017 17:23:03
is this predicated by phil jackson becoming the suns gm?

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16 Oct 2017 01:17:07
DEN/POR/CHI

DEN get CJ McCollum & 2nd rd pick from POR & CHI

Pg McCollum/Nelson/Mudiay
Sg Harris/Beasley
Sf Chandler/Hernangomez
Pf Millsap/Arthur/Lyles
Ce Jokic/Plumlee

POR get Jamaal Murray, Wil Barton, Kenneth Faried, 1st round pick DEN (2018)

Pg Lillard/Napier
Sg Murray/Barton
Sf Harkless/Aminu
Pf Vonleh/Faried
Ce Nurkic/Collins

CHI get Evan Turner, Pat Connaughton & 1st round pick DEN (2020)

Pg Dunn/Payne
Sg LaVine/Holiday
Sf Zipser/Turner/Valentine
Pf Markannen/Mirotic
Ce Lopez/Portis/Felicio

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16 Oct 2017 09:14:09
I like this trade

Denver becomes a playoff team

Portland should trade McCollum and they receive great roll players in this trade. Not sure they should involve Chicago in this trade, that 2020 Denver pick could be good.

Chicago can take bad contracts for draft picks.

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16 Oct 2017 14:20:48
Not a huge fan of it for Denver. They give up a lot and unless they see McCollum as a 1, why do this when Harris is already a really good young sg.

I think Portland would have to think about it, but McCollum is an allstar level sg and is signed long term. I'm not sure it's worth it for them.

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16 Oct 2017 17:28:04
this isn't the best trade for por but i do think mccollum will end up on the trade block over the next year or two. portlands future looks rather stagnant (unless this team can somehow make the playoffs above a 7 seed) they need to shake it up and moving mccollum could be the way to do it if they can get the right pieces. mccollum is a top notch scorer but him and dame don't really compliment each other greatly.

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