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18 Apr 2019 16:17:18
IF OKC wanted to blow it up.

ATL: #5 + #9 + Clev 2020 + Prince + Spellman

OKC: George.

18 Apr 2019 17:27:02
If i'm OKC blowing it up i would keep George and try trading Westbrook. Only if i can't get a strong return for Westbrook i try trading George, but George is the better 2 way player.

18 Apr 2019 07:46:02
Hawks get hill and Moore plus Smith waive plus 2020 first from pelicans.

Cavs get Bazemore plus pelicans second round pick

Lakers get rights to 2019 pelicans first round pick

Pelicans get king James.pelicans would have cap to add a 4th good player most likely randle opts out.


18 Apr 2019 15:31:45
Why would the Cavs take on two more years of Bazemore for a 2nd round pick? That’s worth a middle of the first round pick at the very least.

18 Apr 2019 19:43:57
Bazemore could help Cavs. So atl gives Cavs There 2020 top 10 protected.

18 Apr 2019 00:52:16

NOLA get 3 BOS 1st round picks, Tatum & Bazemore (exp)

ATL get Hayward & MEM 1st

BOS get Davis & Prince

18 Apr 2019 07:11:39
I like it for atlanta and Boston. Atlanta takes on additional salary for a pick and this also gives Hayward a fresh start in a system where he'd get more opportunities. Boston gets their coveted prize (AD) and a solid fill in 3 and d guy still on a rookie deal. I'm on the fence about it for NOLA. The Boston picks don't project very highly so NOLA should look around for better offers. If there's nothing else out there thougg they might have to take it.

15 Apr 2019 00:43:13
Hawks get - Jrue Holiday

- perfect fit next to Trae

Pelicans get - Dal pick, Bazemore and Len

- Gets a top 10 pick and future cap space

Hawks draft Hunter
Pelicans draft White and Bol Bol


Bol Bol

15 Apr 2019 05:24:22
Holiday is locked up on a long term deal, the pelicans would want more than Bazemore. ATL should draft if it's 6 or higher, there's good players for their Young team.

15 Apr 2019 05:50:25
Holiday worth more yhan that package.

15 Apr 2019 14:38:17
If they end up trading Davis, the Holiday will be moved as well. Just not convinced he is "perfect" next to Trae.

15 Apr 2019 14:48:22
Damn, this is that time of the year when stars start getting traded for future cap space on here isn’t it?

15 Apr 2019 17:35:59
I wouldn’t call Holiday a star.

15 Apr 2019 19:42:22
Holiday was selected by the players as the most underrated player in the league. Therefore, his actual value is probably higher than most feel it is.

Holiday is in that Mike Conley, CJ McCollum, Devin Booker category of "stars"

16 Apr 2019 00:48:59
Holiday better than those guys.

13 Apr 2019 21:29:41
Possible draft day trades/offseason trades the Hawks could make in the 2019 offseason with Kent Bazemore as their base

1) Hawks receive Timofey Mozgov with the possiblity to get a 2020 1st rounder (lottery protected) or 2020 & 2021 2nd rounders
Magic receive Kent Bazemore

2) Hawks receive Bismack Biyombo with the possibility to get a 2020 1st rounder (lottery protected) or the 2020 NYK 2nd rounder & 2021 BRK 2nd
Hornets receive Kent Bazemore

3) Hawks receive Allen Crabbe with the possibility to get 2019 DEN 1st draft night or 2020 IND 2nd & 2020 DEN 2nd rounders (possibility to add TOR 2021 to the other two 2nds since they will most likely be late second round)
Nets receive Kent Bazemore

4) Hawks receive Evan Turner with the possibility to get 2020 1st (top 20 protected year 1 then lottery protected for year 2 then convoys to 2 seconds) or 2021 & 2024 2nd round picks (also the same to picks for the first round that doesn't convoy)
Blazers receive Kent Bazemore
(most plausible ^)

14 Apr 2019 03:16:24
Soooo. You basically believe that Bazemore is worth a cheaper expiring contract and 2 second round picks?

Sorry. Not seeing the value. MAYBE at the trade deadline, but I wouldn't count on it at that price.

13 Apr 2019 21:02:04
Possible 2019 offseason moves that the Hawks could make with Miles Plumlee at their base.

1) Hawks receive Ian Mahinmi and a 2024 2nd round pick (protection 31-44 if falls in protected range then obligation is extinguished)
Wizards receives Miles Plumlee

Pros Hawks receive a second rounder
Pros Wiz receive some cap relief

2) Hawks receive Timofey Mozgov, a 2020 2nd rounder, (possibility to add a protetcted (31-44) 2021 2nd with protection since Mozgov was hurt all last
Magic receive Miles Plumlee

Pros Hawks receive a second rounder
Pros Magic receive cap relief

3) Hawks receive Ryan Anderson and a 2022 2nd rounder
Heat receive Miles Plumlee

Pros Hawks receive a second rounder
Pros Heat receive much needed cap relief and help avoid the luxury tax

12 Apr 2019 04:03:53
Clippers get Knox Derozan
Spurs get Smithjr Gallinari Ntilikina
Knicks get Lou Williams

Trade Robinson for 2nd
Clippers Roster

Spurs Roster

Knicks get 5th 8th 35th 40th 42nd
Hawks get Zion Trier Dotson


Mavs Bazemore Plumlee
Heat get Lee 2 hawks 2020
Hawks get Hardaway Whiteside


12 Apr 2019 07:50:50
I know you’re a Knicks fan but how does the Clippers get this return for Gallo and LouWill?

12 Apr 2019 10:45:17
Knicks players have little value.

10 Apr 2019 20:34:56


Fredman-This is fair if you don't want to pay a 1st for Prince

11 Apr 2019 00:57:00
I am sooooooooo down with this. Based on last years trades a 1st rounder is worth around $18 mil in expiring salaries. ATL salary is $36 mil. Subtract Barnes $25 mil salary means the Kings are taking on $11 mil versus using a 1st rounder ($18+ mil value) .

Plus I think the Kings actually got worse since Barnes was added to the roster at the trade deadline.

So I would do this deal after most of the FAs have signed just on case the Kings need that cap space to sign players.

11 Apr 2019 07:20:21
ATL could use the roster spots, they want to keep their picks, and move on from Bazemore/ Plumlee, and reportedly Prince too. This is definitely targeting how much they value gaining flexibility. If they flipped Barnes at the deadline for a second, or 2 this works well for the Hawks because they would have to pay to offload plumlee/ bazemore. 2 - 1sts probably.

11 Apr 2019 14:15:40
Yea, and the Kings would be doing the same flipping of Plumlee and Bazemore looking for a second rounder for each.

11 Apr 2019 15:21:42
This is where I disagree. Bazemore to an injured, playoff team might return a 2nd. Plumlee never in a million years. He's either China, Euro, Australian ball if he plays again.

12 Apr 2019 01:55:45
I think you are sort of missing the bad contracts the Kings and ATL will have to take on as part of flipping these players.

12 Apr 2019 05:42:19
I don't think I'm missing anything. G. Hill, J. Parker, O, Porter. So what if you take on another expiring contract, if you get draft compensation, and you don't need the player because you're not in the playoffs, and they don't figure into your long term plans? Why not if it costs the same or close?

12 Apr 2019 11:12:41
Flipping Plumlee for a second rounds is NOT about Plumlee's ability. It is anout the bad, long term contract that the Kings would have to take back.

12 Apr 2019 13:37:21
AGAIN, read the examples I even left of no long term salary in return. I didn't say it was likely, or going to happen, but a possibility with Barnes. Kick Rocks argument man, you're just too ignorant to communicate with.

09 Apr 2019 20:29:06
Kings get - Prince

Hawks get - Wcs (s&t)

Hawks draft Hunter and Culver



09 Apr 2019 20:45:51
SAC needs to throw a 1st. That deal has to be a 3 year to qualify for a S&T. Dedmon, and Len are already better players too. ATL needs some kind of a bribe.

09 Apr 2019 22:06:52
Dedmon is free agent and lender thrives as back up.

09 Apr 2019 22:13:30
I can’t see Culver or Hunter being available with the Dallas pick.

06 Apr 2019 21:56:50

ATL get TOR 1st, Metu

SAS get Prince

06 Apr 2019 23:29:37
Dude. Stop. ATL is not getting a 1st rounder for Prince unless ATL is willing to take a bad contract along with the 1st round pick.

So if we were talking about Mills and the TOR 1st rounder, then we MIGHT have something to talk about ( However, Spurs have never been about salary dumps) .

Maybe Snell + Ilnoysia + Milwaukee 1st for Prince?

07 Apr 2019 02:52:44
Generally I agree with you Fredman, but you’re wrong on this one. How is pick 29 more valuable than a guy who puts up 14, 4 and 3 a night while shooting 39% from three and is on a $3M contract next year? Spurs won’t get that production out of that pick, and Pop doesn’t play rookies much anyway.

Prince would be a quality addition to a team in need of athletes, and a need to get younger.

07 Apr 2019 06:27:18
15 pts/ 7 rebounds per game and shooting 35.3% on an expiring deal gets you 1 future early 2nd round pick + 3 future very late second round picks at the trade deadline. Last time I checked that is not as good as pick #29 in the upcoming draft. But its okay if you don't agree.

07 Apr 2019 20:50:12
Who is 15pts,7 rebs, 35% shooting? None of those numbers match-up for Prince.

07 Apr 2019 20:50:46
@Fredman, I believe Milwaukee would pass. I don't believe prince is worth Snell, Ilyasova PLUS a 1st. Rd Pick. the Bucks could do a lot better with a different trade.

07 Apr 2019 23:09:01
I'd do the deal if I thought Middleton was leaving, and Mirotic was staying. Ilyasova, Snell, #30 is a small price for the #'s Triangle posted. Prince is 24, completing his 3rd season on a team that reshaped its entire offense, and defense from last season to this one, and his #'s reflect 0 variance in his output? A steal a game, and 38% from 3 is a 3&D small forward in this league. I'd offer 12-15, 3-4 years to him when he expires.

08 Apr 2019 00:12:59
Sorry, I am assuming Prince's numbers actually drops by going to the Spurs simply because of the difference in Pace (Hawks led the league while Spurs was one of the slowest playimg teams) as well as the diminished touches Prince will get in San Antonio. I believe that you are talking more about 10 PPG and 2 RPG with the Spurs.

Jorga, the stats I quoted were what Mirotic was averaging when he was traded for matching salary and 4 (really only 1 "good") 2nd rounders. Using that as a SIMILAR market for Prince, ATL is not getting a 1st rounder back without taking back a a "bad" deal. It's just what previous deals (AKA the market) show.

08 Apr 2019 00:29:06
I wouldn't compare Mirotic, and prince situation at all. The pelicans went rebuild, and probably met a request from Mirotic. You're trying to trash the prince value to make a case. Mirotic deal is just semantics, include this, leave out that, and you have prince value based off of a different situation entirely is subjective in the least. Prince also has half a season on Mirotic, and is younger, but that wouldn't matter either I'm sure.

08 Apr 2019 13:01:06
A player averaging 15/ 7 and shooting 35% from 3 versus a player averaging 14/ 3 shooting 39% from 3 is a bad comparision? Okay, I don't know about "bad" but it is a "close" comparision. I tend to believe when you remove the players names, personal opinions and biases are also removed as well. AKA the 14/ 3/ 39% player's value is "close" to the 15/ 7/ 35% players value. Its not perfect but it is more based in fact that anyone's (including my own) personal opinion.

So let me put it another way, ATL is going to need a perfect storm of situations (Injuries to playoff team, Prince only player on the trade market, marked improvemwnt in the off season, etc) to drive up his current value to a 1st round pick.

Remember that a 12/ 8/ 55% FG player wouldn't get the time of day from most of you as well.

08 Apr 2019 14:25:35
Pick a player who is 24, has a season to go at 3M before RFA and that is the closest comp you can come up with for Prince is Mirotic? I'd fjre you if you if you were my agent negotiating my next contract.

08 Apr 2019 20:32:38
That has been traded this season to show what their trade value is? After doing more research perhaps Rodney Hood (12.2/ 2.5/ 36.% from 3) would be a better fit for you. What did Portland give up to get him from Cleveland? Expiring salary and 2 future 2nd rounds (Portland's 2021 and 2023 picks) which are nowhere near the value of 2019 pick #29/ #30. Does that work for you?

08 Apr 2019 21:55:43
5 year unrestricted free agent is a comparison to a 3 year, going into final year before RFA? Since when? Prince is the more accurate 3 shooter, and better defender in less time in the oven. A mid to early 20's 1st shouldn't be that hard to get. Maybe they do take back a matching, or close, expiring salary. Not a 10M plus though.

08 Apr 2019 23:42:51
Show me an actual trade of a pick in the mid 20s + expiring salary for a young player with Prince's comps. Not seeing one over the last 2 years.

While I have another SIMILAR comps of Justin Holiday, (2 second rounders) . So that is 3 trades within the last year that are SIMILAR to Prince, with all 3 essential generating 2 2nd rounds picks for ATL.

09 Apr 2019 02:01:39
Prince > Justin Holiday.

09 Apr 2019 18:26:49

'20 SAC 1st

Barnes expires when Prince enters RFA, seamless transition @ SF for SAC, plus a back-up after trading Anderson.


Indy 1st

Indy is moving on from Evans, and Mcdermott hasn't been a good addition.


POR 1st

Blazers are desperate for someone to be a better player @ SF. Aminu might be gone Harkless, Prince is a decent fill for the SF/ PF the blazers need. Hood is hard to watch for me. Cannot make a wide open spot up 3. Has to be off the dribble. Prince has no problems with catch and shoot. Trent is still green.

09 Apr 2019 21:33:24
I like the trade as proposed by USA. Prince is a young athletic wing who is still on a rookie deal. Spurs have two first round picks this summer and do not have many roster spots available. I think they would definitely want Prince for the Toronto pick (28 or 29) and Metu. Metu was a 2nd round pick last year who showed little this year even though he was on the roster all year. Prince is a proven player with upside. Spurs could do much worse.

06 Apr 2019 01:41:04

SAS get Prince

ATL get TOR 1st & a contract whoever SAS want to give up

06 Apr 2019 14:08:32
Wouldnt the Spurs just resign Rudy Gay and keep the pick?

06 Apr 2019 16:16:01
Unless they want to get younger with Murray coming back and Walker IV going into year two. Also, if they go out with a whimper in the playoffs, it’s probably time to let the Gays of the world walk.

I could see the Spurs being interested if they don’t like anyone at 29. Pop has never been big on playing Rooks anyway, may not want two in the same season.

06 Apr 2019 20:10:39
Lets be real. Prince is not going to prevent the Spurs from going out with a whimper. Do better drafting someone with the pick or packaging the pick with their other 1st and getting into the 12-14 pick area of the draft.

06 Apr 2019 20:38:19
Prince would be good for the spurs, even if the other player was Murray. Gay is going championship hunting. He'd be great off the bench for at least half the title contending teams.

07 Apr 2019 02:58:38
You’re right Fredman, he wouldn’t stop the Spurs from going out of the playoffs, but it’s not the point. He’s not on the team now, Gay is. When the Spurs are eliminated in the 1st round, they have to take a long look at this flawed roster and decide whether bringing back Gay is a good idea, which it isn’t.

Murray, Walker, White, Jakob, there are finally some good young pieces on this team. Prince fits well with those kids, and gives them more than pick 29 would.

06 Apr 2019 01:36:29

SAC get Drummond & Prince

Pg Fox
Sg Hield
Sf Prince
Pf Bjelica/Bagley
Ce Drummond

DET get Barnes & Len

Pg Jackson
Sg Kennard
Sf Barnes
Pf Griffin
Ce Len

ATL get SAC 2 2nds, Swanigan, Mykhailiuk

06 Apr 2019 14:15:58
Not sure why Atlanta would move Prince who could replace Bazemore after next season (unless the Hawks are drafting Bazemore's replacement this year) as well as trading Len leaves a big whole in the middle with Dedmon's Free Agency.

06 Apr 2019 16:17:41
I’m not sure I see Sac’s interest with the young bigs they have already that should be ready to step up next year.

04 Apr 2019 19:46:55



04 Apr 2019 18:39:43
Mills,Bellinelli,TOR 2019 pick

03 Apr 2019 13:46:50

SAC get Prince
Sign Vucevic

Pg Fox/Ferrell
Sg Hield/Bogdanovic
Sf Prince/Bjelica
Pf Barnes/Bagley
Ce Vucevic/Giles

ATL get Swanigan & future lottery protected 1st

03 Apr 2019 14:14:25
Maybe a couple of 2nd rounders, definitely not a 1st for prince to be a backup behind Barnes.

Fox/ Farrell
Hield/ Bogdan
Barnes/ Prince
Bjelica/ Bagley
Vucevic/ Giles

And waive all cap holds. Burks/ WCS/ Koufus/ Brewer

Hell, no trade for Prince and just resign Brewer (or Shumpert) may be a better option.

02 Apr 2019 22:44:46
If NYK could sign Kyrie & KD (any means possible)


NYK get Davis & Prince
Form a big 3 that could immediately win a championship by letting zion go

Pg Irving
Sg Prince
Sf Durant
Pf Knox
Ce Davis

ATL get 1st pick, Solomon Hill & Etwann Moore
Absorb contracts which they can afford while forming a young big 3

Pg Young
Sg Huerter
Sf Bazemore
Pf Zion
Ce Collins

NOP get 5th & 6th pick, 2022 1st from ATL (lottery protected), Ntilikina, Thomas, Len
Get 2 lottery picks in this year's draft to start the rebuild and unload tons of money

03 Apr 2019 00:15:32
Prince should go to Pelicans.

03 Apr 2019 01:13:01
Why not just trade the #1 for Davis?

03 Apr 2019 02:17:10
I like that for all teams. Makes no sense for the Knicks to get 2 superstars and have 2 young players with so much potential. It will help Young development into more of a playmaker and NO gets rid of bad contracts and gets a fresh start with solid pieces.

03 Apr 2019 03:03:58

Because the poster is clearly a Hawks fan and wants Zion in Atlanta very badly.

03 Apr 2019 03:10:33
This year’s #5 and 6, along with the 2022 1st make sense, but the players going back to the Pels are underwhelming. They’ll likely also want DSJ and possibly Trier to consider the deal.

03 Apr 2019 03:26:53
Numbers don't add up unless kyrie and Durant are taking less than the max offers.

03 Apr 2019 13:04:16
Prince knox Collins all playing out of position.

03 Apr 2019 15:42:27
Pels would want DSJ.

03 Apr 2019 18:31:35
I, myself, am a Hawks fan as well. But I'm also realistic. lol.

06 Apr 2019 16:23:57
BHC i'm a Lakers fan.

06 Apr 2019 21:31:49
First, it's still undetermined who will have the number 1 pick. So, it's a pretty big leap to say anyone will have it.
Second, if the Knicks get the pick, they or anyone else should draft and build around Zion. Imo. I wouldn't trade him for AD or anyone. He very well could be the next AD. Younger, healthier and cheaper, moneywise and you keep all your talent.
Third, the Nets are probably more attractive to Free Agents than the Knicks, according to some things I've read lately. All of this is my opinion. Lol.

02 Apr 2019 18:58:33

MEM or SAC 1st whichever is better, if MEM conveys this season
Clips 1st
'20 BOS 2nd

BOS 1st

*Celtics re-sign:

02 Apr 2019 20:03:43
ATL says no.

02 Apr 2019 20:35:52
Celtics have little use for Bazemore or Prince, and they are not going to give up 8 assets for Davis.
Here's the price for Davis:
1. Top-flight starter
2. Another starter
3. Another rotation player
4. First-rounder.

02 Apr 2019 21:55:21
If they give up Tatum, Brown, and Hayward, they have a huge use for Prince and Bazemore.

02 Apr 2019 22:53:08
No way the Celtics give up that much.

06 Apr 2019 21:37:38
Supercollider-The Kyrie Irving deal?

I. Thomas - Tatum
Crowder - Smart
Zizic - Clips 1st already drafted, for NOP

BRK 1st - '20 or '21 MEM pick if not already conveyed, otherwise if it hits for BOS this year a choice between SAC, MEM already drafted for the Pels. Its a blessing for NOP that Ainge and Co. handle the drafting, and aren't going to draft poorly in case things go south with AD deal

Is this about right?

May have to throw Brown in too to make salaries work instead of a pick.

06 Apr 2019 22:33:01
Well SuperCollider, I'm glad you don't set the AD market then

TF Starter Tatum
Starter Rozier
Rotation Brown

Two 1sts 2019 Gets you AD.

06 Apr 2019 21:54:27
the Kyrie Irving deal:

I. Thomas
J. Crowder
C. Sexton

Your AD deal:

R. Williams
Picked MEM or not, or picked SAC

This meets the criteria you laid out, and salary trade rules requirements.

Is this the deal you think Ainge will make? I still think they need to trade Brown, or Hayward too if they take on AD, to make players happier, and win like the roster says it should. Hayward is going to require at least an asset to move. Hayward, Irving, Horford, AD is going to be awfully expensive, I'd shed his deal unless he surprises in the playoffs.

06 Apr 2019 21:52:36
Wait supercollider. Did you just label Hayward as an asset? As in trying to argue he is of positive value? Amazing.

01 Apr 2019 21:37:12

POR get Alex Len

ATL get Myers Leonard & 2019 1st round pick

01 Apr 2019 21:47:36
M. Leonard
E. Turner
'19 1st
'20 1st


01 Apr 2019 22:19:39
S&T for Willie Caluey Stein? Leonard + 2019 first rounder?

01 Apr 2019 23:23:11
If the WCS deal is 3 years 9M, sounds great!

02 Apr 2019 20:13:53
Why give up a first to unload an expiring contract? They’ve lived with it for 3 years, don’t get hasty now.

02 Apr 2019 20:37:17
With 7M toward the payroll, maybe POR can re-sign Aminu, and keep costs reasonable next season while filling a Post need by adding WCS cheap, somewhat. No Aminu, no WCS.

02 Apr 2019 22:49:30
BMiller, seemed to work for Denver unloading Carroll and Faried.

03 Apr 2019 00:10:57
DEN traded Faried and a '19 1st for nothing in return. When did Carroll play for DEN.

03 Apr 2019 00:12:40
Oh and that was a total of 9M over 3 years. 3M a season.

03 Apr 2019 03:38:42
Your right. It wasnt carroll. It was Arthur's expiring deal that went with Faried's expiring deal for a 1st and a 2nd. Basically it was $21 mil on expiring deals for a 1st and a second. Deal appears to have worked for Denver.

As for WCS at 3yrs/ $9 mil, Kings would match that offer with a smile on their face.

03 Apr 2019 05:33:53
Blazers have the same smile not paying WCS, and not having to give up a1st too.

28 Mar 2019 18:38:23

'19 1st
'21 1st

28 Mar 2019 23:09:20
Maybe one pick.

29 Mar 2019 17:40:55
Change Plumlee to Bazemore?

01 Apr 2019 05:59:37
Definitely not the 2021.

23 Mar 2019 02:56:19
Lakers get beal. Have about 22 mil left.

Atl get mahinmi,bonga and lakers 2020 first unprotected

Washington get cap relief rights to lakers 2019 first, 2022 first lakers, Ingram and hart.

23 Mar 2019 04:36:42
I mean rights to lakers 2019 pick. So this enables them to trade 2020 and 2022 firsts.

23 Mar 2019 10:27:26
Washington should do this if LA would offer all of that for Beal.
Ingram is a risk, but that's a lot of assets for a rebuilding team.

23 Mar 2019 12:02:53
Best offer for Beal I have seen so far.

Just doubt that Lakers will give up 3 picks and Ingram + Hart. That 2022 pick will be owed after Lebron and Beal have both left LA at the end of their deals.

23 Mar 2019 13:19:17
Just thought lbj would play beyond 2022 and Beal would resign.

23 Mar 2019 17:29:12
If next season is the same as last season, does Lebron opt out and leave the Lakers? I say YUP.

23 Mar 2019 23:52:19
Heyward. Lakers trade lebron. I hope it's right before deadline with no rumors so he is blindsided and since he is a professional he won't bitch or loose focus right?

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