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18 Jun 2019 01:51:09
Let's make a 2019 version of the Bad Boys Pistons, yea?

Detroit gets Chris Paul, 2nd rounder
Houston gets Reggie Jackson, John Leuer, Langston Galloway

Detroit gets Steven Adams, Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala
OKC gets Blake Griffin, Houston 2nd, GSW 2nd
GSW gets Andre Drummond, Andre Roberson, OKC first

Okc gets a 3rd star.

Golden State seem committed to Klay and KD. Idk how they also pay Draymond. Gives them someone to replace Boogie. And this is the one place I can think of for Roberson that could (1) be their best wing defender and (2) could hid his bad shooting with great shooting.

Detroit adds JR Smith when he inevitably bought out. Signs Patrick Beverly. Drafts Rui Hachimura. Resigns Pachulia.

Paul, Beverly
Kennard, Smith
Iguodala, Robinson
Green, Hachimura
Adams, Maker, Pachulia

Maybe not the best team, but it's fun to make the Pistons the bad boys again. Who'd make your version of today's Pistons Bad Boys?

18 Jun 2019 02:48:17
They better be a top defensive team bc they’ll be one of the worst offensive team by far.

18 Jun 2019 04:18:11
If I had to make a bad boys team with everyone in the league


18 Jun 2019 04:55:33
Wiggins?!? One of the softest guys in the L.

17 Jun 2019 20:38:59
The Lakers ...

Since probably Irving will really sign in Brooklyn to have is own team and to try a frist ring with the young core Lakers may target Walker as PG and it would may a lot of sense.

So Dallas goes young and offer Russell a max, maybe Brooklyn wants a trade exception in a sign & trade.

So Mavs go young in a crazy future:

1: Draft Day
1.1 Since Boston want to exchange some of their 1st picks:
- Boston: Jackson, future 1st
- Dallas: #20

1.2 Cleveland rebuilds:
- Cleveland: Lee (release), #37
- Dallas: J.R. (release him)

1.3 Detroit is stack in CAP and need scoring on the backcourt to allow Jackson, Griffin to win:
- Detroit: Powell and a C at #20, Hardaway (& young wing with their #15)
- Dallas: Drummond, Thomas

I think it is a win - win, Mavs get a perfect partner for Porzee and Detoit 2 wings and 2 centers.

2: Free agency:
2.1 Sign (and trade ?)
- Brooklyn: 14m trade exception
- Dallas: S&T Russell 5y max
2.2 Sign Oubre and overpay him to lure him away from Suns.
- Dallas: Oubre Jr. (2+1y 60m)

Drummond, Holmes
Porzee, Maxi
Oubre, FinneyS
Doncic, Thomas
Russell, Brunson

17 Jun 2019 20:46:33
I would go after Danny Green instead of Oubre to had some defense on the wing plus he’ll be cheaper


17 Jun 2019 21:19:48
Everything being reported has the Cavs getting a 1st outs of jr and in general a 2nd round pick doesn’t cost 6 million.

17 Jun 2019 22:38:16
Small wrinkle. Teams have to use all their cap space before they can use any trade exceptions. So things would have to be reordered in order to get Dlo on a 5 year S&T.

17 Jun 2019 23:16:43
Cuban should be happy because LA is screwed right?

17 Jun 2019 23:35:03
Oubre and Russell will both be in Phx next season. Dallas has got a decent free agent to sign with them in 20 years.

17 Jun 2019 10:20:36

Pistons: Chris Paul, Malik Monk, 1st round pick Hornets (#12), 2nd round pick Houston & Bismack Biyombo (exp)
- took the horrible contract of Chris Paul but gain a lottery pick and decent back ups

draft picks #12 Bol Bol, #15 PJ Washington


Rockets: Reggie Jackson (exp) & Nic Batum
- get rid of Paul by taking Batum who has a smaller and shorter contract


Hornets: Andre Drummond & Langston Galloway
- get a strong center finally and gets rid of Batum


17 Jun 2019 16:09:01
i like drummond to cha for batum+12.

16 Jun 2019 15:08:09
Pelicans trade 4th pick, Hill, Moore
Pelicans get Drummond, 17th pick

Pistons trade Drummond, 15th pick
Pistons get 8th & 10th pick, Hill

Hawks trade 8th, 10th & 17th pick
Hawks get 4th & 15th pick, Moore

- draft #1 Zion and #17 best available talent (Bitadze, K.Johnson, Claxton, Porter, Bol)
- resign Payton, Miller, Diallo & Okafor
- immediat contender for years to come

- draft #8 SF like Reddish/Hunter and #10 C like Hayes/Bitadze
- huge cap space 2020 (Jackson, Smith, Leuer, Galloway, Hill off the books)
- keep building around Griffin, Kennard, 8th (Reddish), 10th (Hayes), Brown, Maker, Myhailliuk

Trae/2nd round
- draft #4 Hunter and #15 Bol or Bitadze
- add another high lottery pick in 2020
- also huge cap space in 2020 (Bazemore, Crabbe, Plumlee) to end rebuild and start contending

16 Jun 2019 16:02:37
The Pelicans need a stretch 5. Drummond is a bad fit next to Zion and they can get other guys significantly cheaper.

15 Jun 2019 06:46:53

SAC: Andre Drummond, Robert Covington


DET: Jeff Teague, Andrew Wiggins, Nemanja Bjelica, 1st round pick MIN (11th pick), 2nd round pick from SAC

Kennard/Brown/15th pick
Maker/11th pick

MIN: Harrison Barnes (exp), Reggie Jackson (exp), Frank Mason, 2021 1st round pick from SAC (protected)


15 Jun 2019 07:50:47
Minnesota is a big swerve on this one no way I’m giving Roco to dump Wiggins, i’d rather give up my pick. But man, dream move for the Kings.

15 Jun 2019 10:23:27
Kings say no Drummond does nothing for them. Isn't fast enough clogs the lane for fox and they lose a 1st yeah right.

15 Jun 2019 15:13:02
Kings can get a big man in free agency. Not trading away their starting wing when they need more wing help and not trading more 1st round picks either.

15 Jun 2019 16:28:46
As the third to chime in, Kings say no.

Drummond checks 2 of the 3 boxes that I want in a big (shot blocking, rebounding, and mid-range shooting), but I am only giving up a future first (abd future cap flexibility) for someone who checks all the blocks.

Now if we are talking about a 2019 second rounder and a future 2nd rounder, I would give this proposal some serious consideration.

11 Jun 2019 08:31:07

Rockets- Hayward, Jackson (exp), 15th pick


Pistons- Paul, J.Brown


Celtics- Drummond, B.Brown


09 Jun 2019 11:42:12
OKC: B Griffin and J Richardson

Detroit: R Westbrook and J Johnson

Miami: Jackson+ A Robertson+ 1rnd pick Detroit 2020+ 1rnd pick OKC 2023+ 2020 2rnd pick Chicago(from OKC)+ 2021 2rnd pick LA (from Detroit)

OKC get a home town player and great starting five
SF:P George
sixt: J grant

Westbrook can play in a weaker conference and Detroit needs an exiting player to sell tickets and jerseys

Miami get assets and shorter contracts so they can go for a sign and trade for a star or wait and have the capspace in 2020.

08 Jun 2019 02:51:12

BOS: 10th pick, Bazemore

ATL: Drummond, 20th pick

DET: Hayward, Len, 14th pick

08 Jun 2019 14:30:22
I'm a believer in Hayward, but that's a really good trade no matter how the draft pans out. I don't think there will likely be a big difference between the 10th and 14th pick, but there's a possibility someone I really like around 6 or 7 falls a bit to make the draft choices alone worth it. Adding to that the money you free up to swap Hayward and Bazemore, and I'm sold.

This is a great "we're not moving everything for Davis" trade. You save about $14 million this season alone on the swap. Get Horford to opt out and resign a longer term deal for what I'm guessing will be more like $20 mil per year as opposed to the $12 some crazy people are projecting, and you're left with something like $30 million to play with. Let Kyrie leave and bring in someone who fits better and is actually a team first, hungry player like Kemba or even a younger guy like Russell.

With all of that, I don't have any idea why the Pistons would do this.

08 Jun 2019 17:16:21
Bad trade. Look what the Nets had to add to get rid of Crabbe. Hayward gets way more and isn't much better. Also he has two years left. So the Celtics have to add several Picks. But they will never be able to trade up in the draft by sending him out!

Celtics fans have to realize that at some point.

08 Jun 2019 20:19:31
Not bad at least it makes sense. But I don't think Drummond helps our team. But the hawks do need an upgrade at center. Also we rather send Plumlee than Len.

07 Jun 2019 20:14:12
Pistons trade Griffin, Drummond
Pistons get Saric, Crabbe, Dieng, 10th pick Hawks
- start rebuild around Kennard, Saric, Maker, Brown, 10th & own 15th pick
- very good cap situation from 2020!!

Wolves trade Wiggins, Saric, Dieng
Wolves get Griffin, Bazemore
- trade for PG upgrade (Teague + 11th for Conley)

Hawks trade Bazemore, Crabbe, 10th pick
Hawks get Drummond, Wiggins
- Drummond & Wiggins will improve Hawks immediately (especially talent-wise) and will be helpful for the development of young stars Young, Huerter and Collins
- still have 8th & 17th pick + 3x 2nd round picks

07 Jun 2019 21:04:03
Wolves don't improve with this trade.

08 Jun 2019 01:52:14
Wolves don’t improve? They give up an expiring and 2 horrendous contracts and basically get acceptable contracts. Never happening. Wiggins is horrible.

08 Jun 2019 02:35:57
So pistons give up their 2 best players for a guy who avg 11pts and 6rbs. Plus take on bad contracts and only get the 10th pick? No way.

05 Jun 2019 21:57:38
Celtics let Kyrie walk
Sign Rozier 2 years 20 million
Horford 4 years 60 million

Celtics- Drummond
Pistons- Hayward, Williams, Yabusele, pick 20, 22

Celtics- Beal
Wizards- Smart, Brown, pick 14, grizzlies 2020 pick


06 Jun 2019 00:04:02
Dude, stop with the Horford resigning unless you are willing to go 4yrs/ $80 mil at a minimum. Horford will be one of the top 5 FAs next off season and teams like Miami will have a ton of space.

05 Jun 2019 21:12:17
Pistons - Barnes and Giles
Kings - Drummond

Pistons draft Bol Bol
Kings sign Butler or Middleton to max

Bol Bol

Butler or Middleton

05 Jun 2019 21:32:14
I like that better for the Kings than spending the money on Vuc instead.

05 Jun 2019 22:12:13
I’ve been preaching this but Fredman is about to rain on this parade.

I don’t think it takes Giles to get it done nor do the Kings do it if it does take Giles. Getting off the years should be good enough for the Pistons.

Oh, and the FA thing just ain’t happening, no point in dreaming.

06 Jun 2019 00:10:24
Yup. Hard pass on Drummond.

Starting to lower the Kings sights to adding Ariza and Dedmond in FA. Kind of a worse case scenario.

05 Jun 2019 02:49:01
*If Kyrie opts out / doesn't re-sign, Horford opts in, and Barnes opts out

SAC receives: Hayward, Horford

BOS receives: #40 pick '19, '20 2nd (via DET or MIA), '21 2nd (via MEM or MIA)

SAC takes a chance on the 2yr / $67m that Hayward is owed, but insists that Horford is included. This uses all of their cap space. A fast-paced offense could help Hayward, and Horford would be a perfect mentor for Giles (also, not the worst thing if he leaves after one year).

The point of the trade for BOS is to get $63m fully absorbed and off of their books (plus Kyrie's $21m would be gone). That much cap relief all at once comes at a bit of a premium, but Horford + Hayward aren't going to get them deep into the playoffs anyway. They would have almost enough room for 2 max contract FA's. They could go after Harris, Vucevic, Randle, etc. They also get to stay the course and take advantage of all the draft picks they own, while giving Tatum + Brown room to grow.

05 Jun 2019 06:32:22
Just don't think Boston goes that drastic. Boston would really only have 1 max slot as they would have to match any offer for Rozier with Kyrie leaving. Although the Fox/ Hield/ Hayward/ Bagley/ Horford line up does intrigue me. That's a lineup where all 5 could average 17 points/ game.

05 Jun 2019 07:11:33
Could be wrong, but I think that between the time Rozier is offered a QO and the time period Boston would have to match it, his cap hit would be $9m - so they could potentially sign FA's before matching.

05 Jun 2019 17:05:35
Rozier's cap hold is in place until his deal is not matched.

04 Jun 2019 15:19:29
Detroit:Westbrook+ Robertson

OKC: B Griffin+ R Jackson

C: Adams
PF: Griffin
SF: P George
SG:J grant
PG: Schroder
Sixth: Jackson

PF: Maher

04 Jun 2019 16:30:34
Grant at SG. Lol.

04 Jun 2019 16:34:01
Grant is a forward, not a SG. Ferguson would probably be the starting SG for OKC.

05 Jun 2019 00:58:30
Okc gets worse of defense and shooting still sucks.

05 Jun 2019 04:11:40
Either George would play SG and Grant SF Grant can't play SG George can. Or Ferguson would be SG and Grant would come off the bench. Also i think they would then move Schroder for what ever possible rumor is Thunder does want to use the 21st pick to dump a contract. Neither Jackson or Schroder will be happy coming off the bench behind the other. That is one of the reason Jackson wanted off the the Thunder the 1st time he didn't want to come off the bench. And Schroder was ok with playing behind Russ but he wouldn't be ok with being behind Jackson. For the Locker room they would need to move Schroder or get a 3rd team to take Jackson. Maybe a team in need of a PG maybe a Jackson Fournier swap or something.

04 Jun 2019 05:13:33
Spurs send DeRozan, receive Blake Griffin

Pistons send Blake Griffin, receive Andrew Wiggins and the 11th pick

Minnesota receives DeRozan, sends Andrew Wiggins and the 11th pick.

DeRozan is low key a very good playmaker and thrived with opportunities as the lead. I think Minnie has the perfect amount of shooters and defense to put around him to create a really interesting line up.
1. Okogie
2. DeRozan
3. Covington
4.? (Saric, I guess? )
5. KAT

If they’re able to fill the 4 hole, preferably with a defensive guy, this line up is huge and pretty spaced.

The Spurs role with the exciting young backcourt, but form an elite front court with who is IMO the most underrated player in the NBA today in Griffin. Get any production out of the 3 and you’re looking at a team in Western Conference contention.

The Pistons aren’t going anywhere, so Wiggins gives them a youngish guy (compared to Blake) who as the best player on the team you hope the quantity of reps improve him. Plus they get an extra lottery pick out of it to facilitate the rebuild.

04 Jun 2019 17:25:37
You’d need the 11th pick just to take on Wiggins. You wouldn’t get anything of value back.

08 Jun 2019 03:05:05
DeRozan straight up for Griffin is interesting.

04 Jun 2019 00:04:30

Rockets gets
Jackson from Detroit and
Roberson and Schroder from OKC
and a 2019 (21st) First Round Pick for taking Roberson.

Pistons gets
Chris Paul from Rockets and Nerlens Noel from Thunder, plus draft picks from Rockets

Thunder gets
Blake Griffin

One trade idea for the Rockets to unload Chris Paul and I know it is not perfect and somewhat flawed.

Worked on the Trade Machine.

01 Jun 2019 15:29:49
Pistons get: Chris Paul

Rockets get: Reggie Jackson, Langston Galloway, Jon Leuer and the 45th pick

Pistons upgrade at PG for pieces which are easily expendable.

Rockets get 3 expiring contracts and enter the NBA draft in exchange for getting out of Paul's contract.

01 Jun 2019 17:14:57
I don't think Houston want to get out Paul contract. They want to get better.

01 Jun 2019 09:02:40
Spurs/ Pistons

To SAS - Drummond

To DET - DeRozan

Just a straight up one for one.

Detroit needs wings, and has put Drummond on the trade block before.

Spurs don’t need two guys that find most of their buckets in the mid-range (Demar and LMA), and need a big.

Salary and term of contracts are almost identical, making this an easy trade to execute.

01 Jun 2019 19:51:09
I would pass as the Spurs. I think Derozan has real value to a lot of other teams and if I’m the Spurs there’s no way I’m investing significant cap in another big, especially a perennially disappointing one.

31 May 2019 23:49:17
Houston: Drummond+R Jackson+ T Maker
Detroit: CP3+ Capela

PF:T Maker
SG:E Gordon
PG:J Harden
Sixth:R Jackson


30 May 2019 03:06:57

Chris Paul to La

Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball to Detroit

Blake Griffin to Houston

30 May 2019 06:09:41
I’d rather do a deal directly to Detroit if I’m LA

Griffin for Ingram and Ball and we add a future pick.

30 May 2019 11:19:22
Paul’s contract has negative value. You’re not getting anything of value for him.

31 May 2019 15:51:57
Pistons making out like bandits. Paul and Griffin are roughly equal in value, but neither is remotely worth two good prospects. Lakers get hosed.

29 May 2019 17:09:31
Rockets get Blake Griffin, Andre Roberson

Okc gets Eric Gordon, Khyri Thomas

Pistons get Chris Paul, Terrance Ferguson

Rockets shake things up. They trade one albatross for another. But Blake could be a good fit with Capela and Harden. Plus they add a defensive ace in Dre. They have the firepower to hide him on D.

Thunder need shooting badly. Why not add a great one?

Pistons lack a good starting point guard. Paul may be overpaid and over the hill... but he goes East which helps and could be a good fit next to Drummond. Maker is waiting in the wings to take Griffin's spot.

29 May 2019 17:55:51
Paul has negative value.

29 May 2019 18:12:41
Gordon>Roberson+Ferguson. OKC probably needs to add a draft pick.

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