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20 Jun 2017 21:19:50
This is supposed to go down.

Lee O'Quinn Thomas
For
Harkless Turner 15th

Knicks should follow that with
Clippers get Melo
Pistons get Rivers Crawford
Knicks get R.Jackson Leuer


Jackson/Ntilikina-8th
Turner/Mitchell-15th
Harkless/Kuzminkas
Porzingis/Leuer
Hernangomez/Noah/Plumlee

20 Jun 2017 22:10:22
Just because you say it's "supposed to go down", doesn't mean that will. Portland won't give you 15 for that package, not to mention, they can't take back more players than they give out. So next time you try to make it seem like you have inside knowledge, get your facts straight.

21 Jun 2017 00:03:15
Draft day scoop someone will owe someone an apology. Hopefully its me Lee is best player that trade.

21 Jun 2017 01:24:26
Portland will keep #15. Portland will use #20 and #26 either in combo trade or salary dumps. If pure salary dumps (Turner and Leonard) they will only take back future picks. If quasi-salary-dump (Crabbe - he has upside and solid value - he is just overpaid) they would want some value back, and not the three modicom players you mention. Harkless doesn't represent a salary dump whatsover, but they may trade him. but with relative fair value in return.

21 Jun 2017 01:50:12
Let's clean this trade up a bit.

To POR - Lee, O'Quinn, Thomas, 2017 2nd (via Rockets)

To NYK - Harkless, Napier, Turner, #20

Players are even, and Blazers keep pick #15.

20 Jun 2017 07:20:30
Detroit get Reddick (s&t) Crabbe
Clippers get Melo
Knicks get Turner Harkless Jackson Harris 15th 20
Blazers get Crawford Rivers Thomas Noah 8th 44th

Ish
Reddick
Crabbe
Morris
Drummond

Jackson/Ntilikini-8th/Simmons-58
Turner/Mitchell-15th/Randle
Harkless/Kuzminkas
Porzingis/Henson
Hernangomez/Plumlee

19 Jun 2017 17:02:11
Detroit -Al Jefferson / Iman Shumpert / Monta Ellis / 1 pick round 2018 cavs / 1 pick round 2019 cavs

Cavs - Paul George / 1 round pick Detroit 2018

Pacers - Kevin Love / Tobias Harris / Stanley Jhonshon

19 Jun 2017 17:22:20
Can't trade back to back firsts.

19 Jun 2017 17:24:46
Cavs 18 is gone and you can't trade back to back picks. The 1st pick they have is that is tradable is 2021.

19 Jun 2017 17:37:43
17 and 19 are gone*.

19 Jun 2017 19:33:41
Detroit gets robbed here. They get a bunch of bad draft picks and bad contracts and lose two of their better players and a pick.

19 Jun 2017 21:52:14
What is Detroit doing in this trade? Their 2018 pick is more valuable than anything they are getting back (Cavs can't trade a first until like 2021) and on top of that they are giving up two solid young player. Jefferson, Shumpert and Ellis all aren't helping Pistons do anything except take up their salary space for a year or two.

18 Jun 2017 17:09:48
Pacers Offseason:

Trade 18 to Portland for 20 and 26
Trade 20 to Pistons for Marcus Morris
Trade 26 and Ellis to Nuggets for Will Barton
Trade 47 and Jefferson to Brooklyn for 2018 2nd rounder
Resign Teague 3y54m
Resign Miles 2y24m
Sign Rudy Gay 2y24m
Sign Willie Reed 2y12m
Sign Dedmon 3y33m

Teague/Stephenson
Gay/Barton/Robinson III
George/Miles/Robinson III
Young/Morris/Reed
Turner/Dedmon/Seraphin

Thoughts?

18 Jun 2017 18:42:04
Those are all pretty one sided favoring the Pistons.

18 Jun 2017 18:59:01
Pacers*.

19 Jun 2017 01:27:32
Nuggets whould never do that (moneywise)! The other trades are pretty solid though!

19 Jun 2017 21:24:33
So the Pistons take Ellis, #20, and #26 and turn them into Morris and Barton? Why wouldn't Portland just do these deals with one of their guys instead of Ellis?

16 Jun 2017 08:00:05
Magic - Pistons

Magic gets:
Drummond
12th

Pistons gets:
Biyombo
Hezonja
6th pick
25th pick
33rd pick

16 Jun 2017 09:27:52
I think the Magic are getting too much back. Pistons should probably keep the #12 or they should dump Jackson's contract to the Magic.

16 Jun 2017 09:44:19
it's equal value

But Orlando should only do this, if they can sign some good shooters, otherwise the combo Payton-Drummond could be terrible. They can resign J Green, but I don't see a good shootingguard on the market that could join Orlando
And i'm not sure Vucevic can play PF.

I like the trade for Detroit, They should rebuilt and the sixth pick in this year's draft is equal to a 3rd pick in a normal draft (Isaac, Tatum, fox or Smith would be available) .

15 Jun 2017 20:37:49
Suns - Magic- Pistons

Suns trade: Bledsoe, Pick 32, Pick 54
Suns get: Hezonja, Pick 12, Pick 25

Get another lottery pick plus move up 7 spots in the middle of the draft. Get Hezonja for SG depth. If he still underperforms, they don't have to accept his team option after 2017-18 season

Magic trade: Hezonja, Pick 25, Pick 35
Magic get: Jackson, Pick 32

Get Jackson, who they wanted at trade deadline. They will look to trade 1 or 2 of Watson/Augustin/Payton, so they will get a little more out of this as well, plus moving up a few spots in the early 2nd

Pistons trade: Jackson, Pick 12
Pistons get: Bledsoe, pick 35, Pick 54

upgrade at point, still get a couple picks

15 Jun 2017 20:48:32
ORL says no.

15 Jun 2017 21:24:18
PHX would say this is doable.

14 Jun 2017 19:49:50
Pacers Offseason:

Draft Night Trades-
1.) Thad Young and #47 pick to Detroit for 12th pick (Pistons said they would trade pick for win-now veteran)
2.) Jefferson, Ellis and 18 to Brooklyn for 2018 2nd rounder (trade just to get rid of contracts and nets said they would take on bad contracts for pick)

Draft Kennard at 18

Bring in Hayward and Griffin to try and sign on the idea of a big three that would dominate in the east.

Resign Teague if he takes a low salary or Miles, if Teague is too expensive. If Teague doesn't resign put Stephenson at point and bring in a vet pg for minimum contract.

If Pacers can pull this off they will be over the limit and have to pay luxury tax but they will have to if they want to stay competitive and keep George.

Lineup
Teague/Stephenson
George/Kennard
Hayward/Robinson III
Griffin/Allen
Turner/Seraphin

14 Jun 2017 21:00:25
The 2nd is solid, but the 1st doesn't work.

14 Jun 2017 23:29:47
Neither contract for Ellis and Jefferson are bad.

Ellis has 1 year left then PO for $12m for 18-19 (likely to out out.

Jefferson has 1 guaranteed year left then $10m non guaranteed for 18-19.

Will be a good trade chip come the deadline to a team looking to clear cap in 18-19.

14 Jun 2017 16:56:49
NYK draft trades

Pistons get:
Courtney Lee
Kyle O'Quinn
Pick 58
add two win-now vets for the price of 1 and dump Smith's salary

Knicks Get:
Jon Leuer
Josh Smith salary
Pick 12
add a lottery pick to help the rebuild

Blazers get:
Pick 44
current trade rumor to dump some salary

Knicks Get:
Moe Harkless
Pick 26
add a solid wing player after they trade Melo and add another 1st rounder

pick 8: Smith jr. or Ntilikina
pick 12: kennard, mitchell, anunoby, or jackson
pcik 26: another winger

If they trade melo, they could have 40mil in cap space plus a young core of Ntilikina, Kennard, Porzingis, and Hernangomez.

14 Jun 2017 17:11:40
No way Portland dumps harkless for dropping down the draft. He has positive value, he's not severely overpaid. You'd have to replace him with crabbe, Turner, or Leonard for this to make any sense.

14 Jun 2017 17:16:57
Portland has already said they're willing to trade 1 of their 1st rounder in order to dump Harkless' salary.

14 Jun 2017 17:58:44
Find me a quote then. I'll wait. Oh, right, you can't.

It was rumored that might be the case, but it makes no sense. They could unload him for a second rounder without including one of their picks. Portland would want something in return (Hernangomez likely) .

14 Jun 2017 18:28:05
If they were going to dump a player it seems like Turner makes the most sense.

14 Jun 2017 18:47:21
"Portland is allegedly willing to package a 2017 first-round pick (No. 15, 20 or 26) in order to shed Harkless’ salary. Per ESPN"

But for the sake of argument, switch out Harkless for Turner (whom the Knicks wanted in free agency last year) . Knicks still get a solid winger and would have 33mil in cap space, enough to sign a max player like Hayward or trade for a star.

14 Jun 2017 19:26:59
Harkless is not really a salary dump for Portland. As seen in this forum people want him. His salary is moderate, he is 24 years old, with more upside coming. Turner and Leonard are the true salary dumps for Portland. Crabbe would be third choice for dumpage.

14 Jun 2017 21:12:36
Portland is allegedly willing to package a 2017 first-round pick (No. 15, 20 or 26) in order to shed Harkless’ salary. Per ESPN:

goo.gl/hs8u9

14 Jun 2017 21:53:16
Yeah, an unnamed source said it's a remote possibility. I thought you had some real info. The only thing that's known is
1. Portland and NY talked about harkless
2. Portland and NY talked about Portland sending them one of their picks and a salary dump.

ESPN combined the two different things into one.

14 Jun 2017 00:17:34
Pacers Offseason:

Trade Thad Young and Ellis to Pistons for #12 pick (they want to trade pick for win-now veteran.
Trade Jefferson and #47 pick to Brooklynn for 2018 or 2019 2nd round pick.

Draft Luke Kennard (#12) and John Collins (#18)

Convince Hayward and Holiday to sign on idea of big three (PG, Hayward, Holiday) with young stud in Turner. Resign Glen Robinson III and Seraphin and pick of Allen's team option. Let Teague and Miles walk.

Lineup:
Holiday/Stephenson
George/Kennard
Hayward/Robinson III/ Niang
Allen/Collins
Turner/Seraphin

Pacers have a very strong chance of having to pay luxury tax but this would convince George to resign as they would be strong contenders.

13 Jun 2017 17:35:41
NYK - GSW - DET

NYK get: Klay Thompson and Reggie Jackson

pg. Jackson
sg. Thompson
sf. Anthony
pf. Porzingis
c. Hernangomez

GSW get: NYK 1st DP 2017, DET 1st DP 2017, and Stanley Johnson
Draft: Malik Monk (8) and Jarrett Allen (13)

pg. Curry
sg. Monk
sf. Durant
pf. Green
c. Pachulia

DET get: Kyle O'Quinn and Courtney Lee
Resign: KCP

pg. Smith
sg. KCP
sf. Lee
pf. Harris
c. Drummond

13 Jun 2017 22:05:32
Don't thinkm O'Quinn and Lee get you a first round pick, let alone a young SF with potential.

13 Jun 2017 23:15:50
DET would need to keep their pick for this.

14 Jun 2017 00:11:45
Why change the Warriors?

Pay the luxury tax and have a dynasty for the next 5-7 years. They'll make that back in revenue.

14 Jun 2017 00:52:21
😍where do Knicks fan sign for this. Thompson def was as good as curry and Durant offense.

14 Jun 2017 00:53:07
Porzingis for Thompson is fair.

14 Jun 2017 02:21:12
I don't think it's as easy as "pay the luxury tax. " According to some reports I read, sorry for no resource, if the Warriors pay everyone on their roster they would have a payroll ( including luxury tax) would be greater than $500 million. If they are to move someone it will most likely be Klay, but I think he is more valuable than the above trade return.

15 Jun 2017 08:36:24
So Reggie Jackson, Stanley Johnson and pick 12 for Lee and O'Quinn? Are you serious? hahaha

13 Jun 2017 09:24:10
Magic-Pistons-Lakers

Magic get R.Jackson,2nd pick
draft J.Jackson

R.Jackson/Payton
Fournier/Hezonja
J.Jackson/Ross
Gordon/Green
Biyombo/Zimmerman

Pistons get Vucevic,6th pick,Clarkson
draft D.Smith

D.Smith/I.Smith
KCP/Clarkson
Harris/Johnson
Morris/Leuer
Vucevic/Baynes

Lakers get 12th pick,Drummond

Russell/Ennis
Young/Brewer/draft
Ingram/Deng
Randle/Nance
Drummond/Zubac/Mozgov

14 Jun 2017 00:22:52
Tell me. The pistons give up their two best players + their 12th pick and magic only have to give up vucivic and the 6th for Jackson and the 2nd? Horrible trade. Pistons laugh this off.

11 Jun 2017 22:52:05
Knicks-Pistons-Cavs

Knicks: Tobias Harris, Stanley Johnson, 12th pick

Pistons: Kevin Love, Tristan Thompson, Iman Shumpert/Edy Tavares (get better player or save cap:9.7M vs. 1M)

Cavs: Carmelo Anthony, Andre Drummond

12 Jun 2017 01:33:40
DET is giving a lot here. I don't think the pick is necessary.

12 Jun 2017 01:39:23
Detroit won't do this.

12 Jun 2017 02:27:56
I think you have to much going from Detroit to the Knicks for Melo, but it's a decent idea.

12 Jun 2017 03:03:14
Melo isn't worth half that much and really not that great of a trade for Pistons. Also, I don't think this is the direction Cavs need to go. Drummond is an upgrade over TT but Melo isn't much of an improvement over Love if at all once age is factored in. I think if Cavs were to deal Love it would be for more depth and versatile players not Melo who is probably worse as a #3 option than Love since he can only influence the game offensively not on the boards or with his passing like Love can.

12 Jun 2017 03:05:27
No way knicks get that return. Please wake up and take a deep breath of reality. Amd i'm a melo fan. There is a difference between being a fan of a player and a fan of a team. People get emotionally attached to a certain player and feel their return value is waya more then "reallife". The guy males 30 million aftwr his trade kicker, will be 33, plays no defense, and is one of the most ball dominate players of this generation. I just don't get it. Yeah he puts up number, but that's it. Either keep him (which may actually happen) and deal with the fued or dump him to a small group of teams that can afford him (which becomes even smaller when its teams that can afford him AND ones he's willing to go to) . Knicks have zero leverage. Actually less then zero if that's possible. The return won't be fair market value. It just wont. Unfortunately reality is a hard window to look through at times.

12 Jun 2017 03:10:25
det don't need to trade drummond for thompsom shumpert and tavares.

12 Jun 2017 03:33:30
Not Bad. Don't know how salaries line up.

12 Jun 2017 03:54:55
Carmelo isn't worth all that.

12 Jun 2017 11:32:26
What if u take out Harris and send Aron baynes to Knicks
or take out Stanley and the pick and just send Harris.
Everything works in trade machine contract wise.

12 Jun 2017 13:18:33
Jvung to be fair, you were pumping okafor and half the sixers roster the whole year in the way you just condemned. Going off whil saying do as I say, not as I do. not that persuasive.

12 Jun 2017 14:45:26
Burger: My point exactly. When I realized the market value for okafor was a lot less then I had originally thought, my trade return value for him dropped considerably. My return for Jah in January was waaaay more then my return for Jah in June. Time to move on.

11 Jun 2017 22:04:14
Lakers Drummond

Pistons Mozgof Randle Clarkson 28th pick

12 Jun 2017 02:17:35
No from DET.

12 Jun 2017 03:05:02
Pistons do this why? Not only does it make them older but its more expensive by a lot especially with Randle having 1 year left. Lakers can't realistically expect to get Drummond unless Russell, Ingram or 2nd pick are included maybe even 2 of the 3.

12 Jun 2017 03:36:09
Doubt Det would touch Mozgov contract.

10 Jun 2017 23:54:43
Det, NYK, Min

Det gets Melo and Rubio
- Det makes a push
- still have younger players and picks to move too

NYK get Harris and Jackson
- they may not be good players but smaller contracts and younger

Min gets Oquinn and Ish smith
- opens up time for Dunn and should Thibs every consider to play his bench he has a little more depth.

11 Jun 2017 05:11:39
min- get harris
nyk- jackson/ leuer/ johnson/ 12 pick frm det
det- anthony/ rubio/ hernangomez.

11 Jun 2017 13:13:51
Terrible for Minnesota.

10 Jun 2017 14:11:44
Boston: A Drummond
trade: Bradley+ Memphis and Clippers pick

Philly: Bradley+ T Harris
trade: 3rd+ Henderson

Detroit: Zeller+ G Henderson+3rd pick+ Memphis and Clippers 2019 picks
Trade: Drummond+ Harris

10 Jun 2017 14:21:54
Philly doesn't trade # 3 for an upcoming FA like Bradley. If they could get a long term commitment from him, it would be more reasonable.

10 Jun 2017 15:54:39
I agree Triangle, Bradley's knows this is a business and now having the taste of winning he can go to whomever he wants. I'm sure top teams would love his services. With that being said, Philly could become a winning team, they do have the pieces to be one. They just need veteran leadership and lots of luck on being healthy enough to archive it, might a couple of years but it's possible. They'd be drafting a guard anyway.

Boston would be in a difficult position. If they do want to sign Hayward then taking Drummond would make it hard for that to happen, his cap hit would change taking Hayward. They would have to go hard and pay dearly for Butler without giving up Crowder, or put Brown right into the starting rotation and hope he flourishes. And still be way over the cap and have no bench, just D-leaguers .

10 Jun 2017 17:58:10
You are not even close to valuing #3 draft pick in a loaded draft.

10 Jun 2017 13:37:39
Pistons trade Drummond, Morris
Pistons get Dieng, 7th pick, 44th pick

Wolves trade Dieng, Rubio, 7th pick
Wolves get Drummond, Morris, O'Quinn

Knicks trade O'Quinn, 44th pick
Knicks get Rubio

Pistons: 13 player + 44th pick
#7Smith/I.Smith/Udrih
KCP/vet FA/Bullock
Johnnson/Harris/Bullock
Harris/Leuer/Ellenson
Dieng/Marjanovic/#12Allen
- draft PG Smith (7th) and C like Allen, Collins or Patton (12th)
- resign KCP, Udrih and Bullock, sign vet FA at SG
- let Baynes walk
- trade R.Jackson for future pick
- develop young and talented young core of PG Smith, C Allen, SF Johnson, PF Ellenson and also still young SG KCP and PF/SF Harris


Wolves: 14 player
Lowry/Dunn/Jones
LaVine/Rush/vet FA
Wiggins/Morris/Rush
Towns/O'Quinn/Bjelica/Morris
Drummond/Towns/Aldrich/Pekovic
- let Muhammad & Casspi walk, cut Hill and Payne
- sign Lowry to max contract and sign or trade for a defensive SG
- develop raw but talented PG Dunn behind Lowry who also hit his prime later in his career
- still flexible cap situation, to make moves in FA 2018 or via trade
- veteran PG Lowry will fluish last 4 years with that kind of high level talent around

Knicks:
Rubio/Rose/Baker
#8Monk/Lee/Holiday
Anthony/Thomas/Kuzminskas/Draft
Porzingis/FA PF/Anthony
Hernangomez/Noah/Draft
- draft SG Monk, so Rubio will have 3 elite shooter around him with Anthony, Porzingis and Monk
- sign FA PF like Gibson, Ilyasova, Patterson
- buy 2x 2nd round picks from 76ers
- develop young core Porzingis, Hernangomez and Monk while trying gain winning culutre in NY -> first step: reach the playoff steady
- if possible trade Anthony for future 1st round pick

10 Jun 2017 15:25:58
Why would Minnesota want Drummond when they have Towns?

10 Jun 2017 17:21:16
Towns can stretch the floor and Drummonds can clean up the boards.

11 Jun 2017 02:09:40
If Drummond secures the paint, Towns can focus on offense.

09 Jun 2017 07:21:02
Pistons-Kings

Pistons get Afflalo (waive) , 2nd round pick
sign K Lowry max

Lowry
Kcp
Harris
Morris
Drummond

Kings get Jackson , future protected 1st

Jackson
Hield
Tatum
Markannen
Wcs

09 Jun 2017 14:43:32
DET can't afford to pay KCP and Lowry. Would be far over cap.

09 Jun 2017 15:26:21
Lowry would only leave Raptors for a better shot to win a championship and Pistons are far away from that.

08 Jun 2017 14:53:28
Raptors trade
Valinciunas and carroll to detroit for
Drummond and bullocks

07 Jun 2017 22:12:50
Kings trade Afflalo, Temple, 10th pick
Kings get R.Jackson, Aminu, 20th pick Blazers

Pistons trade R.Jackson, Marjanovic, 12th pick
Pistons get Crabbe, Temple, 15th & 26th pick Blazers

Blazers trade Crabbe, Aminu, 15th, 20th, 26th pick
Blazers get Afflalo, Marjanovic, 10th Kings, 12th pick Pistons

Kings:
R.Jackson/T.Evans
Hield/McLemore/Richardson/Galloway
#5Tatum/Aminu/T.Evans
WCS/Labissiere/Aminu
Papagiannis/Koufos/WCS
- promising starting 5 and solid bench, future smells way better
- resign T.Evans & McLemore, let Collison walk
+ 20th & 33th pick

Pistons:
Smith/Udrih/
KCP/Crabbe/Temple
S.Johnson/Morris/Crabbe
Harris/Leuer/Morris/Ellenson
Drummond/Baynes/
- add more shooting, resign Udrih & Baynes
- lose 3 spots in draft from 12th to 15th but add another late 1st rounder #26
+ 15th & 26th pick

Blazers:
Lillard/vet FA/Napier
McCollum/Afflalo/Turner
Harkless/#12Jackson/Turner
#10Markkanen/Vonleh/Leonard
Nurkic/Marjanovic/Davis
- keep develop core of Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, Markkanen, Jackson, Harkless and Vonleh. Playoff contender and maybe more for years to come
- sign vet PG for MLE
- gain flexibilty (in 2018 Afflalo and Davis also off the books)

08 Jun 2017 01:00:11
The Kings would turn that down. They take on a lot of pointless money and move down in the draft.

07 Jun 2017 23:35:54
Kings say hell o. Drop from 10 to 20 is big. R. Jackson is injury riddled and underperforming his large contract. Why do kings do this?

08 Jun 2017 00:26:58
Based off Jackson's play this past season after his injury last year, his large contract and grumblings that he was a negative lockeroom presence I wouldn't give close to this much up for him if I'm the Kings. In fact generally I think he may be close to a negative asset where Pistons would have to give something up to offload him. The #10 pick could possibly yield a pg (smith or Ntilikina) or they could even try someone like Mitchell at point guard.

Blazers on the other hand I believe I receiving way too much in getting both 10th and 12th picks while getting rid of some salary. Afflalo's contract isn't guaranteed so they'd most likely waive him to save salary.

08 Jun 2017 11:43:04
concering R. Jackson i don't think you should count someone out after one injury plagued season. He brings everything Kings backcourt need especially with this young group of talent. It's the perfect scenario to bounce back from last year and after that 15m per season will be a very good contract.

08 Jun 2017 11:59:51
and i really don't think Smith will be there at #10 in this years draft, so you maybe get Ntilikina. Did you see his stats in France? Yes he is very talented but if Kings' bet on a rookie PG it will only be Fox or Smith (with 5th pick or trade up)

06 Jun 2017 16:23:54
Clippers-Wizards-Pistons

LA gets Gortat, Harris

Was gets Jordan

Pistons get Morris, Wes Johnson, and '19 1st (Was)

 
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