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09 Aug 2018 02:35:39
Miami Heat: Ishmael Smith; Blake Griffin

Goran Dragic
Dion Waiters
Josh Richardson
Blake Griffin
Hassan Whitesside

Detroit Pistons:Tyler Johnson; Justise Winslow; James Johnson

Tyler Johnson
Luke Kennard
Justise Winslow
James Johnson
Andre Drummond

09 Aug 2018 09:07:49
I can see both teams do this.

Miami get a star player and Detroit get more flexibility and a young talent.

10 Aug 2018 01:15:18
Gasupo- who is the star?

10 Aug 2018 02:31:44
Idk if Detroit does this tyler johnson is a decent player but way overpaid winslow has some potential and value and Johnson is 31 and not worth much either.

08 Aug 2018 05:54:00
At trade deadline
Thunder get Griffin
Pistons get Schroder, Abrines, Patterson, Singler, and a 2nd or 2

Please read the explination before u start replying.
This is just an idea I doubt this trade happens, but say next year Griffin and the Pistons aren't winning u would have to assume they would want to trade him. He is makeing 32 mil next year and it goes up after that. No team wants that kind of contract if that player isn't helping the team win, and let's be honest Griffin is not really a number 1 go to guy he is a good 2 but not a good solo star. If they did try to trade him because of his contract and injury history I would have to assume they would not get a lot of offers. I know this is not a great package but they get a decent young player and give the Pistons the opportunity to move on from Jackson because he has not been working for them. They also free up a large amount of money.

Thunder do this because they can't sign another all star because of their salary situation, but if they did this they would have Westbrook, George, Griffin, and Adams locked up through 2020-21 to build around with minimum contract role players. Plus Griffin returns home to OKC makes for a good story.

Thunder line up
Westbrook/ Felton/?
Roberson/ Ferguson/ Diallo
George/ TLC/ Nader
Griffin/ Grant/?
Adams/ Noel/?
They don't have much depth sign players at the? Spots to fill out the team, and then build a better bench during the off-season.
Again I don't think this will happen but if it did do y'all think this would be a good or bad move for thunder?

08 Aug 2018 07:34:44
Major cap and spacing issues for the Thunder if this goes through. For the Pistons paying two non-shooting PGs a combined 35m/ y is a daunting prospect.

08 Aug 2018 14:08:52
They already have major cap issues this just gives them another all star to help them get closer to the finals and an upgrade at starting PF. Thunder organization has said they are fine spending a lot of money to stay relevant and they would definitely be relevant.
The Pistons could then trade Jackson and move on from him. He is a lil under rated in my opinion u never hear about him, but he just hasn't worked for the Pistons. Last year Schroder averaged more points, assists, rebounds and a better fg%, Schroder is 4 years younger, and his contract is a lil cheaper. Schroder would be a small upgrade over Jackson. And if thunder can move Melos terrible horrific contract I'm sure Pistons can move jacksons bad contract to a team like the magic or sun's that need a pg, and still get something that will help them.

08 Aug 2018 16:34:54
So the Pistons end up with Jackson and Schroeder?

09 Aug 2018 00:20:04
Gets them closer to the finals? Why they still get swept by golden state save that money try again in 3 years when the warriors are dismantled.

11 Aug 2018 05:43:57
I don’t think the thunder would do this they want to run a super star duo like the rockets with a bunch of role players bc that seemed much Moreno effective.

06 Aug 2018 04:21:53
Pacers get - Drummond and Wagner

Pistons get - Deng Ingram Thad and Bogdanovic

Lakers get - Turner and Leuer

Ball/Rondo
KCP/Hart
Lebron/Stephenson
Kuzma/Leuer
Turner/Mcgee

Collison/Holiday
Oladipo/Joseph
Evans/McDermott
Sabonis/Leaf/Wagner
Drummond/O'quinn

Jackson/Smith
Kennard/Bullock
Ingram/Bogdanovic
Thad/Elleson
Griffin/Pachullia

06 Aug 2018 11:35:50
This is awful for Detroit.

06 Aug 2018 13:53:34
I believe Ingram is going to be better than Drummond, so i don't think it's awfull for Detroit.

I don't dislike this for Indy, but i don't think Sabonis- Drummond would work, Turner isn't a great 3-point shooter, but atleast he can shoot the three.

I don't get it why LA would prefer Turner over Drummond. Drummond is locked for a few years and Turner is going to be a free agent. There's no need to involve Indy in this trade.

06 Aug 2018 15:29:29
Gasupo- Lakers are trying go get one year deals to keep max space for next summer.

06 Aug 2018 17:13:19
Yeah, but you don't refuse Drummond, if you can trade him for Ingram and Deng.
Otherwise they better keep Ingram and stretch Deng's contract over 4 years.

04 Aug 2018 04:13:47
DAL-DET

DAL: B.Griffin + S.Johnson

reunites Griffin & Jordan

Smith-Barea-Harris
Matthews-Antetokounmpo
Doncic-Finney-Smith
Griffin-Nowitzki-Kleber
Jordan-Mejri

DET: H.Barnes + D.Powell

Jackson-Smith-Calderon
Kennard-Galloway-Thomas
Barnes-Bullock-GR3
Powell-Ellenson
Drummond-Pachulia

04 Aug 2018 04:38:04
If butler is headed to Dallas then hell yes Dallas should do this.

smith jr.
Butler
Doncic
Griffin
Jordan

Pretty good team with no injuries!

04 Aug 2018 05:50:44
I highly doubt detroit does this.

04 Aug 2018 00:19:05
Imo blake griffin isn't what he use to be so pistons should trade him for more players to get better depth

Pistons get - Lamb Batum Williams and Bacon

Hornets get - Griffin and Galloway

Jackson/Smith
Lamb/Kennard
Batum/Bullock
Williams/Johnson
Drummond/Pachuilia

04 Aug 2018 03:49:19
Hornets should ride it out with batum before getting into griffin.

28 Jul 2018 02:56:28
Washington gets Drummond and Smith

Detroit gets Howard (buyout), Smith(buyout), Rivers, Brown, Oubre, and 2 1sts

25 Jul 2018 00:49:52
Pistons get - Walker(resgin) and Lamb
Hornets get - Jackson Johnson Kennard and future pick

Walker
Lamb
Bullock
Griffin
Drummond

Jackson
Monk
Batum
Williams
Zeller

25 Jul 2018 04:39:28
Hornets could do better. They want to dump salary. I’d imagine that they look at Jackson as a negative commodity, Johnson and Kennard don’t have a ton of value and you’d have to imagine that that would be 20s pick 3 years from now.

24 Jul 2018 15:33:00
The Pistons get Smart, Morris, Yabusele, Pervis and the Boston 2019 1st

The Pistons get Drummond.

24 Jul 2018 15:58:02
I don't understand the love for Drummond. He's a really good rebounder, and a big body. but that's about it. He IS still only 24, but he hasn't shown me anything in relation to developing his game in his 6 years. He's still just a big body who rebounds at a big contract.

24 Jul 2018 16:04:36
So two average players and two absolute scrubs, plus a very late first Rd pick gets you Drummond? Don't think Detroit goes for this. The ol " 3 dimes and two nickels don't get you a dollar" analogy may apply here.

24 Jul 2018 16:43:16
Drummond has shown growth. He’s increasingly shown flashes of flashes of being the defender he should be, before Blake got there he was passing at an elite leve for a big, and his free throw shooting was a ton better. Take all that raw talent plus last year’s improvement and put him with a great coach and system and you may end up with an absolute monster. If he can be the defender his abilities show he could be, he’s the perfect fit in Boston’s biggest hole. Plus his age lines up with their time line and they get him fairly cheap.


Jvoug, Drummond and Griffin clearly don’t work together and Drummond had more value. I think the Clippers were lucky to get what they did out of him. Smart can kind of be a culture guy for a team that needs culture and he’s a good player. Morris would fit well at pf next to Griffin and give the team more shooting. They could play small and run, while letting Griffin play some of the point forward stuff. They could make a team that just thrives on fast breaks with 5 players that can handle the ball. The other 2 guys are young and could develop into something. Plus they get a pick, which are hard to come by right now. They could do worse, but you might be right and maybe the Celtics could give up the better of the LA and Memphis pick or add another future 1st.

I just think that the Pistons need to trade either Blake or Drummond. They’re probably better off keeping Drummond, but they may not be able to get much for Blake. So maybe rolling the dice and trying to build a team around Griffin with a decent haul for Drummond might make more sense. For the Celtics, I think this could be a low/ medium risk, Huge reward type move that could put them past the Warriors if Cousins isn’t what he was. The biggest struggle the Celtics have is rebounding and best way to beat the Warriors is dominating the glass.

24 Jul 2018 17:47:56
Rkenne16: I'm not debating if Griffin and Drummond work well together, they may not he a fit at all. But I'm datn sure Detroit can get a better return for Drummond then this. Yeah, Drummond fits great in Boston. But Detroit doesn't care. They want the best return possible. This surely can't be that.

24 Jul 2018 18:05:17
Jvoug, yeah, I admit that I may have low balled it, but I only think I did by maybe an extra Boston pick or one of their better 19 picks. It just seems like the value of more traditional centers is down and stars in general. Which makes me think something like that offer is close to fair.

24 Jul 2018 18:12:05
Why does everyone think that Bostons biggest need is a center? They came within one game of getting to the finals. Put Irving in that series, Celtics win in 5. Never mind adding Hayward and Theis.
Everyone agrees that Ainge and Stevens knows more than any of us, that if they thought they needed that type of playr, that they would have gotten one.
So suffice to say, they are not giving up all that for Drummond.

24 Jul 2018 23:29:30
They’re weak on the boards and Horford struggles against physical centers. If they had a real center they probably beat the Cavs last year. Instead Horford was abused by Tristan Thompson and even a healthy Celtics probably doesn’t fair much better than the Cavs against the Warriors. Horford would struggle with Green and the lack of rim protectors on the Celtics would let the Warriors play inside out. Also, the Celtics lack of rebounding would let the Warriors get out in transition more. They need a center and that’s why it seems like Ainge would be willing sell his children’s souls to the devil if it meant he got AD.

24 Jul 2018 23:35:38
Ok Boston makes it to the finals and gets absolutely destroyed by the warriors wouldn’t ya want Drummond defending cousins?

23 Jul 2018 12:57:34
Minny: J Noah+ Porzingis

Boston: Drummond+ 1rnd pick NY

Detroit: Ntilikina+T Hardaway+ Knox

NY: J Butler+ Irving

23 Jul 2018 13:43:59
Why would the knicks do this?

23 Jul 2018 15:27:14
Knicks would just wait until free agency and try to sign them so they don't have to give up good assests. And they would want to keep Porzingis fizdale loves him and they would want a big 3 2 all stars might get you to the finals in the East but you definitely won't win with just 2 all stars unless you build around them perfectly and here the Knicks lose depth a great young asset in Knox and Porzingis. Knicks say no.

23 Jul 2018 16:39:43
The Knicks have been "waiting for free agency" to pull all stars for.20 years? Hasn't exactly been working.

23 Jul 2018 16:41:57
Irrated cavs fan smh.

23 Jul 2018 18:14:00
Irving for Drummond is an overpay for the celtics. Drummond is okay but Irving is elite level talent. Drummond can hardly make a jump shot.

24 Jul 2018 05:31:16
Well i think the celtics do this if they think kyrie leaves and drummond is a multiple time all star who had a better def rating than gobert last year.

20 Jul 2018 22:10:33
DETROIT - J. WALL and J. BUTLER

MINNY - O. PORTER 2021 dc 1r pick

WASHI -R. JACKSON and B. GRIFFIN 2019 dc 1r pick.

21 Jul 2018 05:56:50
im a pistons fan and that does not net you wall and butler.

21 Jul 2018 14:45:19
That is a really awful proposal. Unless you live in Michigan.

20 Jul 2018 19:48:38
Pistons needs to start from scratch

Pistons trade - Drummond
Bucks trade - Henson Delly Brogdon Maker and 1st round pick 2019

Pistons trade - Griffin
Blazers trade - Turner Leonard
Collins and Simons (pick if nessary)

Bledsoe/Middleton/Giannis/Ilyasova/Drummomd

Lillard/CJ/Harkless/Griffin/Nurkic

20 Jul 2018 20:09:39
I'd pass if I were Detroit. Even if you're blowing it up, Drummond is probably young enough to be apart of it unless you get a ridiculous offer for him. You would need to add atleast a first if not more to get out of Delly and Henson's deals. So you're essentially trading Drummond for Brogdon. Not to mention adding salary since your going to have to resign Brogdon this summer.

20 Jul 2018 20:34:21
I wouldn't give up Collins in any deal for Griffin. Collins has all the makings of an all NBA defender. Griffin is on the decline. It would be nice to unload those bad contracts, but not at the cost of their only two young high ceiling guys.

20 Jul 2018 20:52:58
I believe the Bucks would also pass. Even if they are unloading Hensons and Dellavedova's contracts.

@ rkeene, He did add a 2019 1st rd. pick.


I also agree with Bmiller66, Griffin has been slowing down. Why give up two young players for a player on the downslide?

20 Jul 2018 21:21:32
Yeah that's why I said it's essentially a Brogdon for Drummond swap.

20 Jul 2018 21:32:55
If you swap Collins with swanigan. Then blazers say yes.

20 Jul 2018 22:51:50
There is no way Bucks pass on this deal. It's a steal for them. They get a young all star center to anchor the defense for 8-10 years and rebound better then anyone in the league. And they give up 2 overpaid bench players ( which would need a #1 pick attached to them just to give them away) and 2 marginal prospects? I think the chances of getting a young stud all star crnter to pair with Giannis is a no brainier. Why would bucks say no?

20 Jul 2018 23:24:57
The bucks pass because they're giving up shooting for no shooting and that's not what the bucks are going to do from now on get shooting not give it up.

20 Jul 2018 23:31:01
I don't think Drummond is worth 4 players plus a 1st rd pick. If he was, Other teams would have already offered Detroit the same type of deal.

21 Jul 2018 05:15:53
Torque, what's your obsession with counting players? 2 of the players traded here are garbage. No one wants their comtract and they don't help the team. They could bring in their protection for a quarter of what they're making. You wouldn't trade an entire CBA rosters for Lebron? Durant? Etc? Looking at the number of players going out may be the most ignorant and irrelevant thing possible.

21 Jul 2018 21:27:14
jvung, So you think paying 30 mill a year for the next 3 years for a center, which you claim will anchor the defense for the next 8-10 years? Anchor the defense? Really?

You do realize he has never made an all defensive team, right?
You do realize his entire career he has actually made the team significantly worse defensively when he is on the court versus off, right?
On top of that, you do realize he has always been considered a black whole in that he cant/ won't pass and the offense is limited with him right?

Oh wait, forgot. he made 2 all stars because of a thin center market and he is a great rebounder. and i mean, well. actually there is little else. If that's your thinking, sign Capela to a max contract. he'd be hella cheaper and actually a positive impact on defense. Even though you think a guy who has always been thought of as a defensive liability will anchor their defense for 8-10 years lol. Perhaps Okafor could sign with him and they could have legit the greatest defense in the history of the nba!

LOL defensive anchor, what a riot.

21 Jul 2018 21:37:23
@ letsgoknicks Agreed!

18 Jul 2018 07:18:51
Magic Trade Evan Fournier


Pistons Trade Ish Smith Luke Kennard Henry Ellenson Stanley Johnson

18 Jul 2018 09:20:13
Detroit should keep their young talents, but Fournier is a great adition, when they want to compete.

19 Jul 2018 06:31:20
Group east is open if detroit wants to compete they should now.

13 Jul 2018 10:14:31
Detroit: T Hardaway+ Mudiay

NY: R Jackson+Ellenson

13 Jul 2018 18:37:25
Bad for the pistons.

11 Jul 2018 13:44:44
BOS - DET - MIN

BOS get: Andre Drummond and Jeff Teague (exp)

pg. Rozier/ Teague
sg. Hayward/ Smart
sf. Tatum/ Brown
pf. Horford/ Theis
c. Drummond/ Baynes

DET get: Kyrie Irving, Jimmy Butler, Gorgui Dieng, and Marcus Morris

pg. Irving/ Smith
sg. Butler/ Galloway
sf. Johnson/ Kennard
pf. Leuer/ Morris
c. Dieng/ Pachulia

MIN get: Blake Griffin, Reggie Jackson, and Khyri Thomas

pg. Jackson/ Jones
sg. Rose/ Thomas
sf. Wiggins/ Bates-Diop
pf. Griffin/ Gibson
c. Towns/ Tolliver

11 Jul 2018 16:24:55
#'s don't add up.

11 Jul 2018 17:03:49
Minnesota passes each and every day.

Down grade at PG and get the bloated contract of Griffith. No thanks.

And starting Rose is a disaster waiting to happen.

11 Jul 2018 17:40:21
Celtics get screwed. Imo.

12 Jul 2018 20:53:44
complete detroit fantasy scenario.

10 Jul 2018 22:11:35
Boston: J Butler+ Drummond+ I Smith

Wolves: G Hayward+ J Brown

Detroit: A Wiggins+Morris+ Rozier+ 1rnd pick Clippers


Boston

C: Drummond
PF: Horford
SF:Tatum
SG:J Butler
PG: Irving

11 Jul 2018 01:03:45
Seems fair to me but wolves might be hesitant right away because of haywards injury.

11 Jul 2018 01:48:18
Brown, Rozier, Heyward and a 1st is a pretty steep price for the Celtics.

11 Jul 2018 02:46:53
With irving most likely leaving next summer don't think they would trade rozier for anyone.

11 Jul 2018 04:54:10
If Detroit trades Drummond they want Brown and Rozier back.

11 Jul 2018 04:59:39
Not sure if Detroit does this, cause wiggins as of now is just an inefficient ball dominant player whos bad at defense and shows a poor work ethic, and a huge contract.

11 Jul 2018 05:13:20
Irving is leaving next summer? There has been no report or evidence saying Irving has declared he is leaving. If Boston does have half as good next season he's going nowhere.

11 Jul 2018 06:21:42
If Boston only has half as good next season as last year then Kyrie is definitely leaving. If you mean half as good better than last year then they just set an NBA record. In that case Kyrie is going nowhere


But this trade would get them to the finals for sure and would probably win. They would definitely pay a Luxury tax, but have banner #18.

11 Jul 2018 06:51:02
You must hate the celtics. Dealing 3 major contributors for 2. I meant what I said. Point was Irving is not leaving and has given no indication of leaving. Same media hype as lbj attracts big FA's. Just media hype no proof or practice to speak of.

11 Jul 2018 13:18:44
Blec, Chris Mannix reports that the C’s are scared that Irving will leave next year, all indications are he was interested in the Knicks and will give them every chance to convince him it’s a good spot to end up. Didn’t Kyrie also say when asked this offseason about his future in Boston that while he’s happy there, who know where he’ll be next year? Read his interview with Sopan Deb, doesn’t sound convincing that he’s staying long term.

11 Jul 2018 14:03:01
I don't hate the Celtics. It's all about winning. We don't know how Haywards going to be for one, although I think he'll be OK but there is that "what if".


Irving isn't tipping his hand, but "what if" he does want to play with Porzingis as he stated and also with Butler? That's a whole different ball game now. Ainge will trade whomever to get #18, it's a business right? He traded Pierce and KG.


With Butler on board chances would seem more likely than not that Kyrie and Butler would resign. After all DA has professed his crush for Butler in the past.

Don't get me wrong, the team they have now are very good without Hayward, and Irving for that matter. But IMO the proposed trade is better, on paper and on the floor and increase their chances more of winning. They are only giving away one 1st rd. pick so if they win it all next year DA could let KI and JB walk and still be in a position to be there again the next year.

11 Jul 2018 14:06:23
Forgot to mention, I'm from Boston, I love all my Boston teams!

11 Jul 2018 17:28:10
Irving is 25, I don't take one Chris mannix story seriously I heard what Irving said and how it was blown way out of proportion considering his extension now would be less than if he waits. Trading a 1st option like Irving is not going to make you defeat gsw. Irving for Leonard or butler is a bad idea. PG's like Irving come around once in a lifetime. Celtics stole Irving they should be thrilled with him. Irving is from jersey, Dolan is a retard and the Knicks suck.

11 Jul 2018 17:44:15
Oh and I almost forgot, the earth is flat. Irving obviously likes messing around with the media. Hard to take anything that guy takes seriously. Same with lillards happy camper post. People interpreted it as lillard wanted out. I interpreted it as lillard would be happy with blazers or being traded. Irving basically said I better get paid or yeah I will play somewhere else. That's how I took it.

11 Jul 2018 21:20:32
Blec, read the Sopan Deb interview. I never said Kyrie was leaving, but if you think that Irving is an almost guarantee to resign, that would be foolish.

11 Jul 2018 22:01:06
@triangle I read it and I have to ask what about that suggests Irving is going to the Knicks or is thinking about leaving? All it says is he will answer that later more clearly when the time comes. It even has in bold lettering IRVING WON'T BUDGE ON HIS FUTURE WITH THE CELTICS. Sounds like a smart move for a guy going into a contract year and looking at negotiations in a year. I love the celtics its the only place I wanna be right now would be a terrible negotiating tactic. Even if it were true.

12 Jul 2018 13:18:57
Didn’t say he was going to the Knicks, only that he was interested in them at the time of the trade to Boston.

25 Jun 2018 18:32:46
Cle: McCollum

Portland: Drummond+ Kennard+clarckson

Detroit: Sexton+ T Thompson+Harkless+ 1rnd pick Portland 2019+ 1rnd pick Cle 2021

25 Jun 2018 18:50:59
The 1st round pick from the blazers is not needed if Clarkson is coming back in the deal. And blazers give up Harkless. Maybe turner or Leonard instead but this is robbery of the blazers.

25 Jun 2018 18:52:39
Nooooooo Collin Sexton untouchable.

25 Jun 2018 05:28:40
Det, pho, orl

Detroit gets Payton, Chandler, Augustine, Dudley

Phoenix get lottery prot 1st via orl, Ellenson,
Ish Smith, Leuer,

Orlando gets R.Jackson
-- Best player in the trade and could lead the magic to the playoff. Bamba is going to be a beast but it'll take time. See the playoffs his first year could help as he should be there starting center from day one.

Suns get a solid pg to help get through this rebuild. Another pick and Ellenson for taking on Leuers contract which isn't all bad.

Pistons need get some future flexability and do so while adding depth. Maybe another pg is needed or could be found already on there roster. Dj played well with Drummond. I wonder how much Payton's next contract will be. Is he much better than Ish Smith?

25 Jun 2018 05:44:47
Payton would have to be s&t.

25 Jun 2018 22:34:56
Jackson isn't good anymore. Detroit over paid him, eat that contract.

20 Jun 2018 12:53:34
Cavs Pistons Charlotte

Cavs receive
Walker
Drummond

Pistons receive
Love
Batum

Hornets receive
Jackson
Clarkson
Jr Smith(expiring)
2021 first round pick from Cavs

19 Jun 2018 03:51:44
Detroit trades griffin, bullock
Receive o.porter, j.green, Evans s&t

Washington trade porter, mahinmi
Receive Bender, chandler, Dudley, I.Smith

Memphis trade parsons, green , #4
Receive B.Griffin, R.Bullock, 2nd suns

Phoenix trade bender, chandler, j.dud, 2nd
Receive #4, parsons, mihinmi

Suns push their rebuild back for the 4th overall pick. They can take Doncic #1 and a big #4. Sounds worth it for swallowing a few
bloated contracts.

Grizz add a star who can compliment Gasol along with a 3&d wing who compliments Conley and is out performing his contract.

Wizards dump long term salary and add a ton of veteran depth. Perhaps they deserve a 2nd.

Detroit adds some expensive wing help and makes sense of its roster.

19 Jun 2018 04:41:51
Dude absolutely Not : Washington is not trying get bad Ok Washington is still trying win ok so there not selling away contracts just get out of bad contacts ok just get bad it one thing if make us better to help us win not just get out of bad contacts we not just giving away Otto Porter ok.

19 Jun 2018 01:57:11
Detroit get Kevin Love, Jordan Clarckson and 8th pick

Cleveland get Blake Griffin

19 Jun 2018 04:18:24
I like Blake, but he doesn’t have that kind of value. He and Love are pretty close to equal in value.

19 Jun 2018 04:18:25
The Cavs shouldn't even trade Love for Griffin.

19 Jun 2018 06:27:50
Cavs need more back. Stanley Johnson?

21 Jun 2018 18:46:53
The Cavs do need something more but if Griffin stays healthy he will keep the Cleveland fans in seats. He is a generic Lebron. He can grab rebounds and lead a fast break or finish. He is a really good passer.

If Lebron stays he'll be able to rest more with Griffin. Keep in mind that it is Lebron that is possibly pushing the trade Love so.

 
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