14 Jul 2016 20:32:26
76ers rebuild
PHI- Marcus Smart, PG
BOS- Nerlens Noel, PF
PHI has an abundance of bigs. Especially now with Daric coming over this season. Boston could use some help in their front court and Noel is a great fit.
PHI- Zach LeVine, Gorgui Dieng 2017 1st round pick.
MIN- Jalil Okafor
Honestly i'm having a hard time judging Okafor's value. I feel like he is worth more, but PHI won't get it because they're publically saying how they want to move him. I think MIN couldn't pass up this trade.
C- Joel Embiid
PF- Gorgui Dieng
SF- Ben Simmons
SG- Zach LeVine
PG- Marcus Smart
F- Dario Saric
F- Robert Covington
F- Jeremi Grant
F/ G- Timothe Luwawu
G- Furkan Korkmaz
SG- Nik Stauskas
This gives PHI some more young talent to add and evenly proportions them.
1.) 14 Jul 2016
14 Jul 2016 20:43:28
Noel is more valuable than Smart
Okafor does not have anywhere near that value, and that's not a knock on okafor. but the wolves are just giving up way too much.
2.) 14 Jul 2016
14 Jul 2016 20:43:44
I don't think the sixers trade both noel and okafor as they don't really know what they have in embiid, and from what I've heard from wolves fans on here is that Lavine has star potential so the wolves probably wouldn't do that trade.
3.) 14 Jul 2016
14 Jul 2016 20:55:46
Minny says no. Easily, and without a second thought. I like oak, but your getting 40% of our starting lineup plus a 1st. I don't like oak that much.
4.) 14 Jul 2016
14 Jul 2016 21:01:50
Okay wouldn't even get you Lavine let alone dieng and a 1st. that's pretty bad value for the wolves.
5.) 15 Jul 2016
15 Jul 2016 05:38:03
I agree the wolves wouldn't do it based of past rumors, but I disagree that okafor isn't worth that package.
6.) 15 Jul 2016
15 Jul 2016 12:06:22
Where's Bayless.
7.) 15 Jul 2016
15 Jul 2016 14:39:13
You can disagree all you want simmonsorbust. But there is legitimately nothing to back up your claim.
Dieng produced what, 7 pts less than okafor? But more efficiently. He rebounded the same. His defense was far superior.
Lavine showed real potential, especially in the second half o the year. He can effectively shoot the 3 and appears to be a solid to great starter in this league.
AND a 1st rounder which is still likely to be a mid lottery pick, or better, if the balls bounce correctly.
Okafor at BEST is worth 2 of those pieces. Even still, I believe it is more realistic a lavine staight up for okafor trade is about even.
I wouldn't even do that if I was minnesota. They are a young team. They have scorers in Wiggins and Towns. They don't need a low post black hole where the ball goes in and doesn't come out. They need an all around, defensive focused center. AKA, Dieng is a great fit.
8.) 15 Jul 2016
15 Jul 2016 16:10:51
What hamburger said.
9.) 15 Jul 2016
15 Jul 2016 18:24:19
Hamburger. nothing you said has anything to back it up either. Besides the 7 pts less and similar in rebounding comment, it seems to be all opinions similar to my own statement except your are most likely based off of what you read on the internet rather then actually watching the games (the fact that no one thinks Okafor plays defense is off point) .
I'm not going to waste the time looking up all the stats and then regurgitating them back onto here because my only point above was that a package similar to the one above is What the Sixers would be looking for in order to trade Okafor. They would need a good young guard and something else.
I do agree that if Lavine was involved then they could prolly, get him for 2 of the 3 (no need for dieng), but again like I said above, the wolves wouldn't do it.
I prolly just wasn't clear in my point before.
10.) 15 Jul 2016
15 Jul 2016 19:20:17
Because you didn't want to, I did:
(Using Effective FG% to include FT% and the fact that Dieng has a mid-range game)
Dieng: 53.7 %
Okafor:50.9 %
Just 2pt%:
Dieng:54%
Okafor:51%
% from 0-3 feet:
Dieng:71%
Okafor:67.5%
Defensive win share (and this is more favorable towards Okafor)
Dieng:2.5
Okafor:0.9
Looks like hamburger was right on all accounts (not taking into consideration any potential)
11.) 15 Jul 2016
15 Jul 2016 19:43:26
Nope. His defensive metrics are far superior.
Lavine vastly improved. Shot almost 40 from 3
Either look up the players or don't talk. Dieng is a young defensive center and not efficient and impactful towards a team than okafor
Lavine is a great prospect.
Sixers are t getting a package near that for okafor. Solid center prospect. That package is for an established star.
12.) 15 Jul 2016
15 Jul 2016 20:25:33
Wolvesfan. that's just straight up okafor and Dieng. don't get me wrong, I personally think Okafor will be better in the long run, but who knows. The lack of defense is an issue.
However. the trade involved an unprotected 2017 first, which again, a very young team, entirely possible they are a high lottery pick
AND
Lavine. Seeing as simmonsorbust refuses to actually research the individual. ill help.
Month of march. 18pts, 3asst, 2 rebounds, 47.5% from 3, 50% from the field.
April, with the exception of the Jazz game, averaged again, over 15 pts, over 3 asst, over 2 rebounds, efficient shooting.
All this adds up to way too much. May want to research a bit before just going, Okafor is a stud, he deserves a kings ransom. Solid prospect. no guarentee of being a top 10 big man in this league.
13.) 15 Jul 2016
15 Jul 2016 22:57:33
Wolves-anyone can cherry pick statistics that support thier argument.
The percentages are flawed because Okafor took more then double The amount of shots as Dieng while also being The Sixers number 1 offensive option every game. His shots were undoubtedly toughwe as well being double teamed more times then not. Dieng more likely then not scored most of his points off of putbacks and easy layups created by Rubio wiggins etc.
The defensive stat (defensive win share) is a joke obviously seeing it largely takes into account team wins and as you know The Sixers had somewhere around 10 wins last year and Okafor didn't play in all of thier games. How can okafor share wins when the Sixers didn't have any? Another flawed statistic that is more team related then individual.
14.) 16 Jul 2016
15 Jul 2016 23:44:08
hamburger
I never said Okafor was a stud nor did I say he was worth a kings ransom. Not that the players reference above are a kings ransom. Lavine is a nice player. I never said anything bad about him nor did I try to downgrade his good second half of the season this year. Dieng is no where near the player okafor is and he's not 19 years old like okafor is. The first round pick in the original post was never said to be specifically unprotected, so it was really up to the interpretation of the reader.
For the third time my only point, which is based off of the Sixers GM saying that he isn't giving these big guys away, is that a Lavine and 1st round pick isn't farfetched value wise for okafor.
I'm glad you can use basketball-reference. com, but stats are also up for interpretation and can be used in most cases to prove both sides of a debate. It's not always black and white.