12 Sep 2018 23:23:32
Phoenix: Dellavedova, take off protections from MIL 1st
Milwaukee: Arthur

The Suns need starting and backup pg. They have now only Okobo. Dellavedova with help them until they fix this and will give some vet guidance needed for their youth. Also they will be able to use that Buck's 1st in 2019 instead of waiting one more year.

Bucks clear Delly and create more cap space for 2019.

1.) 13 Sep 2018
13 Sep 2018 15:50:57
I believe the Suns would pass. Plus, Why would the Bucks want Arthur?

How about;.

Milwaukee sends Brogdan (PG/ SG) to Phoenix

Phoenix sends Josh Jackson

The Suns get a former ROY in Brogdan who can play PG

The Bucks get a backup to Middleton in Jackson.

2.) 13 Sep 2018
13 Sep 2018 16:17:44
@torque I think it's obvious that Bucks do it to unload Dellavedova and Arthur is in it just as an expiring. They probably waive him to keep a roster spot open. Or they keep him as third PF if it's required Wilson to be involved in that.

Also, I believe Phoenix passes in what you suggest. They are high at Jackson.

3.) 13 Sep 2018
13 Sep 2018 16:34:13
milpso, Understood! Milwaukee also is high on Brogdan. But, Both Brogdan and Jackson are backups. Jackson is 3rd as a SF and 3rd as a SG. Brogdan is 2nd as a SG. Both could use a change of scenery, and some PT. Jackson would see more as a backup SF with the Bucks, that with Phoenix. Brogdan would no doubt start as the Suns PG compared to what they currently have, plus, Brogdan didn't like getting "demoted" when Bledsoe arrived as he was starting at PG before Bledsoe arrived.

4.) 13 Sep 2018
13 Sep 2018 16:55:29
The problem is that Brogdon is a nice role player, while Jackson has a much higher ceiling. If Phoenix ever wants to compete, the worst trade they could make is a trade moving away top end talent potential for a better fit now.

Perhaps how high the Bucks are on Brogdon isn't really a good thing either. If you think they're close players, you're too biased. Brogdon won ROY by default, he might be the weakest ROY in NBA history.

In Jackson's rookie year, he averaged 19 and 6 after the all star break. He has the talent to be an all star caliber player. You don't trade that for much. Definitely not for a guy that would be possibly the worst starting PG in the NBA if moved into a starting role.

5.) 13 Sep 2018
13 Sep 2018 17:22:15
Agree @Bmiller. I like Brogdon a lot, but as 6th player in 8-10 mil/ y contract. We know what Brogdon is, but we don't know what Jackson can become, so it would be dumb for the Suns to make a move like that at this point.

6.) 13 Sep 2018
13 Sep 2018 17:26:35
@Bmiller66, Right now, Brogdan either starts at SG or is the 1st off the bench. Jackson has 2 in front of him at SF or SG. As far as his high ceiling, Agreed! but, Just when will he get the chance to show everyone? Now, Just how did Brogdan win the ROY by default? Was there no other rookies considered? The weakest ROY? Did Jackson get ROY? And you call me biased?

7.) 13 Sep 2018
13 Sep 2018 18:28:20
He won it by default because that rookie class was horrible. Embiid played like 20 games. Saric and Brogdon were nice players. Buddy Heild was 4th. Simmons, Mitchell, Tatum, Kuzma, and Dennis Smith Jr would all beat Brogdon if you compare rookie years from this year's voting to Brogdon's year. 2016 was Towns, Porzingis, Jokic, Okafor, Booker. Again, Brogdon doesn't get a vote that year. Find me a worse ROY in recent NBA history. And if Jackson was a rookie in 2016-2017 with those stats, he's the ROY without a doubt.

How is Jackson the third string on that team realistically? He was putting up 19 a game last year, he'll find a starting role or at least 6th man. He won't sit behind Ariza, Warren, and Ryan Anderson all season. ESPN has him #2 PF right now behind Anderson. That won't last. If they go small ball, he's a starter.

I do call you biased. I can't be biased in this conversation, as I don't care about the Suns or the Bucks.

8.) 13 Sep 2018
13 Sep 2018 19:37:53
Why does ESPN have a SF at PF? Really? Answer me this Bmiller66. If the Suns were so high on Jackson, why did they draft another SF (Z. Smith) then trade him to Philly for another SF M Bridges, Then, trade for another SF in Ariza? If they needed a PG? The games you are talking about that Jackson played and scored a lot are after the NBA break. The Suns knew they had no chance of winning, so they played Jackson. who else on the Suns was scoring? Here's a thought, Instead of taking names, and putting them into a trade machine, try looking up the team, their history, and their actual needs!

9.) 13 Sep 2018
13 Sep 2018 20:19:25
Torque, all of those guys can play multiple positions. The league has been dominated by wings. Getting the best wings you can isn’t a ridiculous idea.

10.) 13 Sep 2018
13 Sep 2018 20:27:47
They drafted a SF because you can never have enough SFs (ask Boston) . Wings are the most needed player type in the NBA by far. You can play 3 or even 4 at once.

Also, you draft best player available in the NBA. Drafting based on needs ends up with someone taking Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan because you already have a star SG.

And again, the positional needs on a team like Phoenix is pointless. They simply don't have enough talent. Trading a more talented player at a position of strength for a much less talented player at a position you don't have a starter at is the path to being the Knicks of the last 20 years for the rest of your life.

They played Jackson because he was the #4 pick in the draft and they want to see if they have a good player. Turns out that they do from the second half of last season. It's not like scoring 19 ppg in the NBA is easy, even on a bad team. Factor in he was 20, and it's really impressive.

11.) 13 Sep 2018
13 Sep 2018 22:18:57
I'm sorry, I disagree. Well who knows? maybe Jackson can finally move off the bench, and play PG? Since its been stated that Phoenix isn't concerned about positions? Then, next year, Phoenix can look for more SF's? Enjoy the rest of your evenings!

12.) 13 Sep 2018
13 Sep 2018 22:57:15
Are rkenne16 and Bmiller66 double team trolling? 3 of you have to posit the same argument to one guy. I don't always agree with you torque/ darkside but rkenne16 and bmiller66 are either the same user or are disturbingly fond of one another.

13.) 14 Sep 2018
13 Sep 2018 23:48:59
@Btec, Not sure who darkside is? But, No problem! I think the Suns need another SF (Wing Player) Like they need more "Cowbell" I'm not sure if they are the same person, And actually don't care if they are. I look at teams, Not the "Trade Machine! "

14.) 14 Sep 2018
13 Sep 2018 23:49:10
@Btec, Not sure who darkside is? But, No problem! I think the Suns need another SF (Wing Player) Like they need more "Cowbell" I'm not sure if they are the same person, And actually don't care if they are. I look at teams, Not the "Trade Machine! "

15.) 14 Sep 2018
14 Sep 2018 16:13:13
Is it that crazy that two people on this site understand the value of wings in the modern NBA? How many wings do the Warriors have (let's see, Thompson, Durant, Green, Iggy, Livingston, Looney, McCaw, Young, wow, that's a lot! ) . Or maybe Boston (Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Smart, Morris) .

16.) 14 Sep 2018
14 Sep 2018 18:33:06
Hello Bmiller66, Currently Phoenix has Ariza, Warren, Jackson, Bridges, Booker, Daniels, King, Melton, and Reed. That's only 9 wings. I can see why you think they need more! The Bucks currently have Moiddleton, Antetokounpo, Snell, Brogdan, Brown, Connaughton, Barnett, DiVicenzo, Duval, Morris and Munford, That's only 11 wings, I can see them also needing more right?