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21 Jul 2017 03:50:48
Bucks Pacers

Henson,Hawes,Vaughn and 2nd rd pick for Thad Young and GR3

I know this trade doesn't save us that much money now but can help in the long run.

Grizzlies Bucks

Telly and 2nd rd pick for Vrandon Wright

Resign Terry
Resign Beasley


Brogdon,Delly,Payton
Middleton,Terry,GR3
Antetekoumnpo,Snell,Beasley
Young,Wilson,Parker(injured),
Maker,Monroe,Wright

21 Jul 2017 02:48:08
Minnesota-San Antonio-Indiana

TWolves acquire : L.Aldridge

J.Teague-T.Jones
J.Butler-J.Crawford
A.Wiggins-B.Rush
L.Aldridge-T.Gibson
K.Towns-J.Patton

Spurs acquire : G.Dieng + T.Young + 2nd from Minnesota

P.Mills-D.Murray-T.Parker
D.Green-M.Ginobili
K.Leonard-R.Gay-K.Anderson
T.Young-J.Lauvergne-D.Bertans
G.Dieng-P.Gasol

Pacers acquire : Cole Aldrich , Shabbaz Muhammad (s&t) + 1st round pick from Wolves + 2nd from Spurs

D.Collison-C.Joseph-J.Young
V.Oladipo-L.Stephenson
B.Bogdanovic-S.Muhammad
D.Sabonis-T.Leaf
M.Turner-C.Aldrich-A.Jefferson

21 Jul 2017 02:36:33
Indiana-Utah-San Antonio

IND trade : T.Young
receive : 2018 1st from Jazz + A.Burks

give way to their young forwards

D.Collison-C.Joseph-J.Young
V.Oladipo-A.Burks
B.Bogdanovic-L.Stephenson
D.Sabonis-T.Leaf
M.Turner-A.Jefferson-K.Seraphin

UTA trade : D.Favors + Alec Burks + 2018 1st + 2018 2nd
receive : L.Aldridge

adds star power to still compete sans Hayward

R.Rubio-D.Exum
R.Hood-T.Sefolosha-D.Mitchell
J.Ingles-J.Johnson
L.Aldridge-J.Jerebko
R.Gobert-T.Bradley-J.Bolomboy


SAS trade : L.Aldridge
receive : D.Favors + T.Young + Jazz 2nd

get some depth and line up flexibility getting 2 talented bigs

P.Mills-D.Murray-T.Parker(out)
D.Green-M.Ginobili
K.Leonard-R.Gay-K.Anderson
T.Young-J.Lauvergne-D.Bertans
D.Favors-P.Gasol

13 Jul 2017 22:09:55
Cavs get green
Spurs get smith osman

Cavs get vucevic Payton young
Pacers get shumpert felder hezonja
Magic get love Tavares

Sign Allen bosh (if healthy) bogut
Resign Williams

Irving Payton Calderon
Green korver Allen
James green Jefferson
Young frye Williams
Thompson vucevic bogut.

13 Jul 2017 22:41:28
Forgot to add bosh so remove Williams

Irving Payton Calderon
Green korver Allen
James green Jefferson
Young bosh frye
Thompson vucevic bogut.

14 Jul 2017 00:16:37
Bosh is done and I'm not a fan of the 2nd trade. The first would be solid, but the Spurs would need to add salary. The Cavs don't need a back up center like Vucevic, Young would be solid off the bench for the Cavs but he isn't on the level of Love, and I like Peyton for his athleticism and defense, but he isn't going to get much of a chance to penetrate off the dribble for the Cavs, which is where he's at his best on offense. I'm not sure how much more he can give to the Cavs than Shumpert.

11 Jul 2017 16:45:57
Pacers

Trade Thad Young to Suns for Chris/Ulis.
At deadline trade Bogdanovic to contender for 1st rounder and a expiring contract (maybe Raptors).
In the draft trade Pacers 2018 first and Leaf or Sabonis to move up.
At end of season or draft day trade Collison for 2nd rounder.
Flip the first rounder from the contender and Oladipo for a future second rounder (maybe Mavericks will take on his contract).
Trade Joesph and 2nd rounder to Nuggets for 2018 first.

All of this opens up cap space for free agency
Dante Exum 4y72m (Jazz won't match because hood and favors are free agents as well and to pay them all would send them way over the cap.)
Gary Harris 4y88m (Denver can create space to keep him so you have to sign him to a little more. But it's not a smart move for a team who needs to pay an elite point guard.)
Resign Robinson III
Sign Amir Johnson 2y24m (2nd year team option). Just to get some veteran leadership.
Sign Nick Young 2y14m (Need backup SF and an elite 3 point shooter.)
Sign Deron Williams 2y10m (2nd year team option.) More veteran mentoring.

Lineup.
Exum/Williams/Ulis
Harris/Stephenson
Robinson III/Young/Niang
Johnson/Chris/Sabonis or Leaf
Turner/Seraphin

Thoughts?

11 Jul 2017 17:25:54
Not sure what Suns would want with Young especially giving up promising young assets (especially Chriss who was there lotto pick that they traded up to get last year) to get him and his decently sized contract when they likely are a team building for the future.

I think Indy would be foolish to just dump Oladipo's contract especially when they aren't going to attract any significant FA. Why give up assets to get rid of him in order to overpay similar caliber FA (Exum and Harris neither project as potential stars but solid players) and older FA (Johnson, Young and Williams) . His contract is big and he didn't wow last season but he is still relatively young and will likely be Pacers 2nd best player.

I think Exum would be a much higher priority than Favors for the Jazz and with guys like Joe Johnson and Diaw coming off the books they may even be able to retain Favors depending on how he plays upcoming season.

Nuggets do need a point guard upgrade (I don't believe Joseph is much of an upgrade with Murray capable of running the show) and they will have a decision to make between Harris and Barton on who they want to pay so Harris could potentially be had but I'd say its more likely they let Barton go with the jump Harris made last season.

After all those moves the end result is fairly underwhelming and all the moves are slanted in the Pacers favor (some are possible but I doubt all happen) . Pacers should try and move Collison, Young and Bogdanovic if they can get any young assets/ draft picks for them. They should only trade Oladipo if they actually get assets in return (don't salary dump him) . Moving up in the draft would be a solid idea especially with Sabonis and Leaf kind of redundant and Pacers needing a star to pair with Turner (Porter or Doncic would be ideal case) . Then throwing money at younger FA (most likely restricted) isn't an awful option but it most likely won't yield much if anything. Don't think Pacers need to sign that high of caliber of veterans at this stage of their rebuild where they should be focused on getting their young guys minutes and trying to uncover hidden gems with guys who have spent a decent portion of their time in D-league, overseas and such. It'll be a long rebuild for them but priority should be to tank with the hopes of getting a top talent to pair with Turner who is a budding star.

11 Jul 2017 17:44:55
Agree with most of what Jaw said. I think the oddest thing you have here is flipping Olidipo and a 1st for a 2nd. Olidipo is a young solid two way starter. He's on a reasonable contract. He's a player with solid value.

09 Jul 2017 14:28:24
T.O-Ind

Joseph.C, Hamilton.J
for
Lottery protected 1st-2018

Pacers get a suitable PG who can start or provide valuable minutes off the bench and a big man adding depth

T.O-Dal

Val.J
for
Lottery protected 1st-2019

Sign
Babbit.L 1yr-$15 mil

Lowry-Wright-VanFleet
Derozen-Powell
Babbitt-Anunoby-Caboclo
Ibaka-Siakim
Poetl-Nogueira

09 Jul 2017 17:58:36
Rapsfan, the team didn't re-sign Lowry and Ibaka to then trade players for future picks. It's a Frankenstein compete/ rebuild that would be a mess. If the Raps move those two, it will be for upgrades using the players and TPE from the Carroll deal.

12 Jul 2017 01:32:54
I like C Joseph going to the Pacers, but we would only offer a second round draft pick.

08 Jul 2017 04:55:21
Rest of Pelicans offseason

Trade #1

Pels - Thad Young

Pacers - E'twan Moore, Alexei Ajianca, future 2nd round pick

Trade #2

Pels - Jeremy Lin

Nets - Solomon Hill

Trade #3

Pels - Robert Covington

Sixers - Protected 2018 1st round pick

Sign Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

Stretch Omir if needed extra cap space
(Pacers and nets trade equal money value and Covington on cheap contract)

Lineup

PG - Holiday - Lin
SG - Caldwell-Pope - Jackson
SF - Covington - Miller
PF - Davis - Young
C - Cousins - Diallo.

08 Jul 2017 07:39:12
I don't think a protected 1st gets Covington at this point.

08 Jul 2017 13:20:18
I don't see how Pelicans who are over the cap will be able to sign KCP who will likely get close to if not over 20 mill per year from Nets or another bad team with cap space looking for some young talent. They should try and sign a guy like Sefolosha instead.

I think the trades are alright for the most part.

08 Jul 2017 01:17:00
Utah Jazz Moves


-Waive Boris Diaw

•Jazz-Pacers-Nets
JAZZ get Thad Young, Justin Hamilton, and Joe Harris
PACERS get Trevor Booker, 2nd rd pick (via Jazz) and salary relief
NETS get Derrick Favors and Trevor Booker

•Trade Alec Burks to Milwaukee for John Henson and a 2nd rd pick

-Sign KJ McDaniels 1yr minimum

Lineup:
PG: Rubio, Exum, Neto
SG: Hood, Mitchell, Harris
SF: Ingles, Johnson, McDaniels
PF: Young, Henson, Bolomboy
C: Gobert, Hamilton, Bradley.

08 Jul 2017 13:23:48
I'd keep it simple and try and deal Favors for Young. I agree Favors isn't a great pairing with Gobert and a stretch 4 like Young that is more athletic would be a better fit. I guess Favors and Turner would have similar issues but Turner can shoot some, Favors is an expiring contract and offers more upside if he could stay healthy and regain his old form.

07 Jul 2017 16:03:29
Jazz-Spurs-Pacers-Suns

Jazz-Aldridge
Pacers-Mitchell, Murray, Bender, Ulis, Johnson (free up space for Jazz)
Spurs- Thad Young, Neto, Sabonis/Leaf (their choice), future 2nd rounder from Suns and a 2nd rounder from either Pacers or Jazz
Suns-Favors

*Aldridge has already stated he was displeased with the Spurs and will likely decline his player option so it's better to trade him now.*

Thoughts?

07 Jul 2017 12:55:46
SAS - IND - MIA

SAS get: Goran Dragic and Thad Young
Retire: Ginobli

Pg. Dragic/ Parker
Sg. Green
Sf. Leonard
Pf. Gay
C. Young/ Gasol

IND get: Wayne Ellington (exp) and 2018 1st DP SAS

Pg. Collison
Sg. Oladipo
Sf. Stephenson
Pf. Leaf
C. Turner

MIA get: Lamarcus Aldridge

Pg. Waiters
Sg. Richardson
Sf. Winslow
Pf. Aldridge
C. Whiteside

07 Jul 2017 14:20:38
Dion waiters as your starting pg? No thanks from Heat.

07 Jul 2017 14:37:08
Thaddeus Young at center? After giving all the money to Mills I can't imagine Spurs trading for another pg. For Miami its pretty good value for Aldridge although I'm not sure he makes them that much better and losing Dragic who was probably their best player when they went on that tear in 2nd half of season hurts. Not sure if Indy could do much better for Young but I guess he is a athletic stretch 4 so maybe a team like Bucks or somebody would be willing to give up a little more.

08 Jul 2017 02:00:22
it should be tj starting at point guard and dion at the 2.

07 Jul 2017 05:14:28
Pacers Next Offseason
2017-18
Trade Thad Young and 2 Future 2nd rounders to Jazz for Exum and Mitchell
S&T Miles to Wizards for Oubre Jr. and future 1st
At deadline trade Jefferson (expiring contract) and future 1st for Zach Collins
(Optional)At deadline or after season flip Sabonis or Leaf to Raptors for OG Anuboy
18-19 Lineup
Exum/Stephenson
Oladipo/Mitchell
Robinson III/Anuboy/Oubre Jr.
Collins/Leaf
Turner/Ike A.
Team with Huge Upside
Later on if Mitchell, Oubre Jr., and Anuboy turn into starter talent flip Oladipo, Robinson III, and future 1st to clear Oladipo's bad contract.

Thoughts?

07 Jul 2017 09:35:05
All those deals are heavily favoring Pacers. I doubt Young and 2 2nds get you Exum or Mitchell by themselves let alone both of them. After Jazz lost Hayward they'd be wise to keep their two best young talent or at least get better value for them.

The sign and trade for Miles isn't as bad but I doubt Wizards do it especially since they are way over the cap and Miles would surely make more than Oubre's rookie deal so won't work financially.

Similarly Blazers are way over the cap and couldn't do the Jefferson for Collins trade, not that they would since its not great value on a guy you just traded up to get at #10.

Sabonis flip isn't bad value but Raptors would probably prefer Anunboy who can once healthy be a difference maker right away on the defensive end and has solid upside.

06 Jul 2017 18:45:01
Pacers Celtics Jazz Nuggets

Pacers - Harris, Exum, Nuggets 2018 1st, Jazz 2019 1st
Celtics - Favors, Seraphin, Pacers and Nuggets future 2nd
Nuggets -Oladipo, Crowder
Jazz - Young, Chandler or Faried

Pacers-
Collison/Exum
Harris/Stephenson
Robinson III/Niang
Sabonis/Leaf
Turner/Ike A.

Celtics-
Thomas/Rozier
Bradley/Smart
Hayward/Tautum
Favors/Brown
Horford/Seraphin
...

Thoughts

06 Jul 2017 22:20:17
Crowder is not going to get Favors for one.

Celtics need to first get below the cap to sign Hayward then other deals can get done.

Celtics want a C with more than one year left on his contract.

06 Jul 2017 16:19:31
Pacers-Celtics

Thad Young for Smart or Rozier and Bradley or Crowder

06 Jul 2017 17:26:16
Celtics are trading one of those guys in order to clear the cap space needed to sign Hayward. Young makes close to 13 mill so he wouldn't be a good target as they wouldn't be able to actually sign Hayward if they got him.

06 Jul 2017 05:59:49
Pacers-Spurs-Suns

Pacers get Brandon Knight and a 2nd rd pick from Suns

Spurs get Thad Young, Kevin Seraphin, and Miami's 2018 1st (via Suns)

Suns get Lamarcus Aldridge.

06 Jul 2017 10:28:28
For Pacers i guess its alright getting a younger player who can play combo guard and has shown upside prior to his injuries.

For the Spurs don't think its great value for Aldridge and they really need a 2nd option for Kawhi. Aldridge hasn't been that great in that role but Young would be even worse.

For the Suns its great value. With the way FA has gone Heat should make the playoffs in a weak east so their pick won't be in the lottery and Knight didn't look great recently. However, not certain its the best idea since they should likely be taking the slow and steady route and trying to develop Chriss and Bender.

05 Jul 2017 20:20:52
Celtics - Knicks - Rockets

Knicks Send - Kristaps Porzingis, Carmelo Anthony, Joakim Noah
Knicks Receive - Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, Jordan Mickey, 2018 Brooklyn 1st Round Pick, 2018 Lakers Pick if Lakers land 2-5, otherwise 2019 Kings Pick, Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza, 2020 Houston 1st Round Pick, 2018 Indiana Second Round Pick

Knicks dump Joakim Noah's salary and get an overpayment for Melo and Kristaps. They get a lot of future picks for a potential rebuild but haven't hit the rebuild button yet, might need to make a few more trades for young players, but with all the assets they have recieved they should be fine making this trade.

Celtics Send - Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, Jordan Mickey, 2018 Nets 1st Round Pick, 2018 Lakers Pick if Lakers land 2-5, otherwise 2019 Kings Pick
Celtics Receive - Kristaps Porzingis

Celtics possibly overpay for Porzingis but they are able to get rid of Crowder, paving the way for Hayward and Tatum while getting rid of Smart and Mickey's contracts in order to sign Hayward. They get another young star who can help them take down Lebron in the east, and they keep assets like Tatum and Brown who they can potentially use later to trade for another star player.

Houston Send - Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza, 2019 Houston 1st Round Pick, 2020 Houston 1st Round Pick
Houston Recieve - Carmelo Anthony

Houston become a bigger threat in the west with this trade. They may lack depth, but their starting lineup will be one of the best in the league, and it will most likely translate to more wins. The Rockets have expressed interest in Anthony and he has said he will waive his no trade clause if he gets traded to Houston or Cleveland.

Brooklyn send - 2018 Indiana Second Round Pick
Brooklyn Recieve - 2019 Houston 1st Round Pick, Joakim Noah

Brooklyn sends relatively nothing in exchange for a Joakim Noah salary dump and a late first round pick in 2019. The Nets won't mind taking on a salary at the moment as they have lots of cap, and Noah can step into the starting center position now that Lopez is gone, much needed by the Nets.

05 Jul 2017 22:00:47
Porzingis trade isn't bad, but I don't see Ainge being willing to part with that much (I'd argue KP is worth it) . If the Knicks could get that it might be worth it.

The Rockets can't trade back to back picks so it would have to be the 2020 and 2022 picks since they already trade the 18 and I don't see them including Gordon. It would have to be Anderson.

Noah's contract is terrible and I don't see anyone taking it on for a pick like Houston's. It would have to be a pick with lottery potential.

06 Jul 2017 11:36:07
yeah but remember it is the Nets, and they could do with Noah as a backup for Jarrett Allen. Maybe Knicks send the Nets a pick too.

05 Jul 2017 15:06:45
Instead of Minnesota trading Aldrich and the OKC first to Indiana in a sign and trade for Miles, they should try to trade Aldrich to Atlanta.

Minnesota would get a protected future 2nd round pick

Atlanta gets Aldrich, Miami's 2019 2nd round pick, and Minnesota removes the lottery protection on the 2018 1st they owe Atlanta.

Minnesota gets cap space to sign Miles outright and keep that 2018 OKC 1st
Atlanta takes a chance on Minnesota missing the playoffs in loaded West while also getting a future 2nd round pick.

05 Jul 2017 17:24:54
I don't think that's worth it for the Hawks since Minnesota will probably make the playoffs anyway, so the pick would convey, and that second round pick isn't enough to take on Aldrich.

05 Jul 2017 18:49:36
Doesn't Minnesota get a $14 million trade exemption from the Ricky Rubio trade. Why can't they use that to do a sign and trade for CJ Miles and send Indiana a second round pick?

05 Jul 2017 22:03:11
ILD. I asked that to. I guess it's because Minnesota was under the cap so they didn't get a trade exception.

05 Jul 2017 19:48:12
Or just get miles because they need 3 point shooting. another great trade carl you are brilliant.

04 Jul 2017 17:59:30
Indiana - lakers

Indiana trade Ellis

Lakers trade clarkson

Indiana get a potential starter. Him and collison can battle it out.

Lakers get a replacement for young. Josh Hart and Corey brewer are there only SG.

04 Jul 2017 18:39:07
Lakers say no.

04 Jul 2017 18:52:57
Ellis isn't worth his contract. The Lakers are giving up the better and younger player.

03 Jul 2017 19:27:41
Any ideas on how the Pacers could acquire Exum or Murray (Spurs) . And in another trade Hernangomez or Cauley-Stein.

03 Jul 2017 21:13:07
Porzingis would block his best friend from being traded.

03 Jul 2017 18:55:59
Some LA Laker salary dump trades to clear cap space for 2018 offseason

•1. Lakers-Bulls
Lakers get Dwyane Wade
Bulls get Luol Deng and Julius Randle

•2. Lakers-Pacers
Lakers get Monta Ellis
Pacers get Luol Deng and Jordan Clarkson

•3. Lakers-Kings
Lakers get Garrett Temple
Kings get Luol Deng and Julius Randle.

03 Jul 2017 19:13:21
Every team says NO. Clarkson, as reported by many, has very little value. Randle is decent offense, no defense. Nobody is taking on 3 years of Dengs contract for either of those 2 guys. Just not going to happen. Wishful Laker thinking.

03 Jul 2017 19:17:08
Okay Wade is going to leave either way
And Ellis or Temple have value?

03 Jul 2017 20:03:37
The issue isn't ellis's or temples value. Its the NEGATIVE value of Dengs 51 million owed for 3 YEARS. don't know what your not seein here. Its a bad move for all teams but the lakers. Pretty simple. Not going to happen.

03 Jul 2017 20:24:27
Yeah, Wade will leave and they'll have cap space. Deng is signed for 3 more years. Maybe they can find a taker in a deal similar to what you proposed, but it would take someone being fairly high on Randle or Clarkson. They both have some value, but neither seems like a player that could ever start on a championship level team and between the Deng and Randle being resigned or Clarkson's contract a team would have to be willing to commit a 3rd of their soft cap for the next few years to acquire one of them.

03 Jul 2017 01:07:38
Knicks moves

Sign George Hill

Trade Frank Ntilikina and Joakim Noah to Pacers for Thaddeus Young

Objective is to have an Hill-Lee-Young trio that bring defense and thoughness around Porz and Melo

I think Young versatility could fit very well with Melo and push definitively Porzingis to a real 5 spot

There is a small possibility pacers could accept this deal, they have no more starting pg but lots of 4 and Ntilikina could fit very well with the Oladipo/Turner project

In their situation, the Noah contract may not be a big issue

03 Jul 2017 09:19:00
I like this for my Pacers, but i'm not sure it's a good move for NY.

 
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