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21 Nov 2017 17:45:37
Trade deadline

Cavs - Clippers

Cavs gets:
Future 2nd round pick

Clippers gets:
2018 1st from Nets (via Cavs)

Cavs go all in this year and help their defense with DeAndre and help their bench with Williams. Both are expiring so it's a big risk, but another championship in Cleveland may be the only thing that keeps LeBron next year.

Clippers does this trade if they won't make the playoffs and tries to find a star in the draft next year. Griffin have 5 years left on his deal and finding some youth to pair with him wouldn't be the worst thing.

21 Nov 2017 19:23:35
If the Cavs are giving up the Nets pick, I think it would have to be Beverly as a sweetener rather than Williams. The Cavs have to many to feed on the offensive end as it is and struggle on defense. Williams isn't a player that's going to give them something the combination of IT, Lebron, Rose, Wade, Korver, and Jr don't already give
them and he's not going to help on the defensive end. Jordan is significant upgrade over TT, but I don't think it's enough to get the Nets pick from the Cavs unless it comes with another elite defender that would close up the finals holes left on the roster.

19 Nov 2017 20:16:16
Clippers get Rozier, Frye(exp) Osman, a Cavs 2nd and the Celtics 7 mill exception.

Celtics get Lou Williams and a Cavs 2nd

Cavs get Dedmond and Beverly

Atlanta gets Zizic and Calderon

20 Nov 2017 08:26:06
Celtics isn't trading Rozier for Lou Williams.

20 Nov 2017 11:27:24
Why? They're about to have to sign Smart for 10 million plus and once Hayward is back there won't be many minutes for Rozeir, who is basically Marcus Smart light. Williams will give them a guy who can come off the bench and generate points on his own. That's something that only Irving can consistently do on Boston's roster.

20 Nov 2017 11:37:18
Rozier is getting better by the day and Williams is teeing off on the back nine. Maybe Beverley for Rozier, though it's doubtful Boston has any interest in shaking things up right now.

20 Nov 2017 16:33:37
Rozier for Williams is a decent deal cause like you said we need someone else who can create his own shot, but the 7 million exception is too much. I know its needed for salary purposes but that and helping Cleveland would deter me.

20 Nov 2017 17:19:57
Larry, the nice thing here is that Williams is on an expiring. That money comes off the cap and lessen the burden of resigning Smart and then the next year Kyrie and Morris. I don't see Celtics being able to justify resigning both Rozier and Smart and since they won't need both given that Irving, imo Smart, Brown and Tatum will play almost all of the minutes at guard once Hayward returns to the line up probably next year. Their 5th guard can either be a veteran on the minimum or possibly one of their picks from next year. Either way they can lock in someone for cheap that won't get a ton of playing time any way. Which will help them stay below the tax line for another year. That's important given the fact that they look like they'll soon be in the luxury for a long time.

19 Nov 2017 20:05:48
blazer get: deandre, lou will, spurs 1st
spurs get mccollum
clippers get: danny green, tony parker, zach collins

19 Nov 2017 20:24:57
Spurs need to be giving up more.

20 Nov 2017 00:23:36
I don't think Portland would want Jordan and the clippers should get something extra.

20 Nov 2017 03:11:16
Jordan and Nurkic would be a bad fit together. And Jordan is an expiring contract while McCollum has 5 years left. McCollum has a lot more value than Jordan.

20 Nov 2017 03:13:54
@rkenne was thinking that, but what else do they really have to give up. that’s why i included the 1st.

18 Nov 2017 16:56:11
The Cavs get Delly, Beverly, and Jordan

The Bucks get Shumpert, Lou Williams, and Griffin

The Clippers get Frye (waive), Teletovic, Osman, Zizic, Thompson, Brogdon, Maker, Parker, and the Brooklyn 1st

18 Nov 2017 20:13:28
The Clippers should go in a rebuilt mode indeed.

The Cavs take a big gamle, they risk to lose IT, LBJ and Jordan, all for nothing and they don't have the Nets pick anymore for a rebuilt.

18 Nov 2017 21:05:41
The Bucks say No! No way Milwaukee is trading, Brogdan, Maker, or Parker. Maybe Dellavedova, Teletovic, And Vaughn? The Clippers are sure getting a lot, 9 players and waive one? ) While NOT giving up much? Milwaukee doesn't need Shumpert, Williams or Griffin. (They give up 5 players to get 3 back? ) They need a Center (Okafor? ) . The Cavaliers need all the help they can get!

19 Nov 2017 00:04:21
Dark side, the Bucks desperately need a second star or they're going to end up like the Cavs during the first Lebron era and Giannis will walk.

19 Nov 2017 09:45:03
Agree with bucks needing another star or Giannis could walk like to see durant giannis and Unicorn on the same team sky is the limit.

19 Nov 2017 14:48:44
@ rkenne_16, Agreed, Bledsoe was suppose to be it. But, I don't think Shumpert, Lou Williams or Griffin is the answer. Where would Griffin play? Giannis is now Milwaukee's PF, When Parker gets back, he will be the SF. I would like to see the Bucks trade Vaughn and a 2nd. rd. pick to the 76ers for Okafor. They need a Center. Henson is just a tall skinny PF playing Center, as is Maker. Give the Bucks some time. Bledsoe just got there. Middleton hopefully will pickup his game, as will Snell. Then Parker will be back. Milwaukee does need a 2nd star, (If that's what you want to call it) but, They need a center first.

19 Nov 2017 14:59:02
@ rkenne_16, Who is the "2nd star" at Cleveland? Love? I Thomas? Tristan Thompson? J R Smith? Give Milwaukee some time, Let them get a Center (Okafor) Let Brogdan (ROY) work with the 2nd team. Milwaukee doesn't need a 2nd star, They need to work as a team. One player can score 20-30-40-50-60. If the team isn't playing, it doesn't matter. let's see what Parker does when he gets back (Feb? ) He was suppose to be the 2nd "Star" before.

19 Nov 2017 17:15:23
Irving was the second star and IT can become the second star.
And Love is a great PF, he's still a star.

19 Nov 2017 17:31:03
Darkside, I would take IT or Love over any player other than GA on the Bucks roster. Middleton and Bledsoe are good, but not allstars. Brogdon could be a star, but he doesn't look like a high upside guy and I'm fairly sceptical that Parker can even get back to where he was. Plus, someone is giving him a fairly big contract in the offseason no matter what. It seems like a fairly big roll of the dice for the Bucks, who might have cap problems fairly soon.
Griffin would clearly be the 2nd best player on that team and maybe the best 2nd option in the East. There is no reason to think he can't start at the 5. There aren't many centers in the league who will physically over match him and he would be a nightmare for opposing centers to deal with on the perimeter.
Henson is clearly a center in today's league (a career back up center, but look at the pfs on decent teams, Henson doesn't have the offensive skill to matche them and will struggle defensively on the perimeter) and while Maker looks like he has the skills to develop into a pf, his best position at this point.

19 Nov 2017 17:54:18
Irving WAS the second star, (Gone, expendable) I Thomas will NOT be a great PG, just a PG. Love might be a Good PF but, NOT a great! Right now, Love is playing Center, And he's NOT a great one! Still a Star?, Or just another option? If L. James leaves, Cleveland will become what they were when James left the first time. Just another team in the East. And nothing more. Young players don't have a chance in Cleveland. What's the average age there? 30-34? Bottom line, Cleveland needs all the help they can get, Then let them play.

19 Nov 2017 18:19:10
rkenne_16, Any other player? You would take IT or Love for? WOW! Well I guess we all have our favorites. IT will see what Irving was talking about when he starts playing. I don't know about Brogdan and Parker, I have to see Parker play a full season without getting hurt. Brogdan was ROY last year, Now plays with the second unit, So, Will have to see? Griffin is a 6'9" PF. I don't see him as a Center anywhere? 2nd best option in the East? There are still Centers Gasol (Brothers) who would more than match up with him, he's too short for todays Centers, and more Centers Also shoot from outside. Henson and Maker are tall PF's and nothing more. No offensive skills, (Maker's 3 pointers? ) And Henson's left hook? Well, I guess we just have different views. That works for me.

19 Nov 2017 18:19:59
Love has been an allstar 4 of the last 7 years, including last year and one of the years he missed most of the season.

IT has been an allstar the last 2 years, was an MVP candidate last year, and the best player on the 2nd best team in the East.

Take Lebron off of the Cavs and if they can stay relatively healthy, they make the playoffs. The team would have little upside and would be better rebuilding, but a starting line up of IT Jr Crowder Love and TT with a bench of Rose Shumpert Korver Green and Frye makes the playoffs. If you take Giannis off the Bucks, you have a team similiar to the Suns.

19 Nov 2017 18:55:28
Darkside any player on the Bucks roster other than Giannis, not any player in the league.
Blake is 6 10 250 ( the average height of an nba center take from the combine is 6 11 and almost no NBA centers have Griffins leaping ability) He's not going to get pushed around by many Centers and on the offensive end, how many centers have the skill on the perimeter and athleticism to guard Blake?
Now let's look at players in the NBA currently playing significant time at pf Arron Gordon, Lebron/ Love/ Jeff Green, Green/ Durant, Horford/ Morris, Morris/ Porter, Ibaka, Aldridge/ gay, Ryan Anderson, Porzingis, Davis, Griffin, Giannis/ Parker, Saric, Kuzma/ Randle, Millsapp/ Chandler, Dieng, etc. All of those players can be effective on the perimeter. A hook shot isn't going to get it done for a pf anymore this isn't 1987 and Henson would struggle guarding those guys and it takes him away from the basket much more often where he's at his best blocking shots. He's a center. Again, I think Maker can develop into a starting pf, but as raw as he is on offense and him still getting used to having to consistently guard the perimeter, C is currently his best position until his game develops.

19 Nov 2017 18:55:33
Without James, I don't think the Cavs will make the playoffs. They are having a difficult time just winning games now. It was a allstar and MVP candidate with Boston, he's missed to many games to be considered now. Plus staying healthy is the key word. Shumpert is currently out for the next 1-2 weeks with a knee issue. The Cavs would be better rebuilding. With that lineup you stated, Its also possible they won't make the playoffs. No doubt you're a Cavs. fan. I have no team I'm a fan of. Just a basketball fan. I believe Boston wins the East this year.

20 Nov 2017 08:50:04
I would take IT or Love over any one except GA on the Bucks current roster. I don't think Parker will ever develop into anything more than a third option at this point, I feel the same about Middleton and Bledsoe. Brogdon could, but I doubt it. Griffin is clearly better than all of them by a wide margin.

Also, while at some point Maker could be a starting 4, Henson is clearly a player than can almost only play the 5 in todays league. He's a career backup center.
Griffin could play the 5. There aren't any huge mismatches for him to guard, specifically in the East, and he would be a mismatch for most other centers. It's not like Blake would even be all that undersized at the position.

I think Lou can play the backup pg or sg for the Bucks who could have Giannis and Blake stay in the game opposite of him and be the initiator of the offense. Shumpert can come in and be a versatile defender off the bench.

Also, how is Blake Griffin, Jordan, Williams and Beverly not much? Griffin and Jordan are both all NBA players, Williams is one of the better scorers in the league, and Beverly is probably the best defensive pg in the league. I'm not sure why the number of players coming back matter? In almost every trade for an allstar you see a package of players and picks coming back. Its not like players like Teletovic and Delly have much value.

20 Nov 2017 08:54:44
Darkside, I am a Cavs fan, but clearly, you're a closet Bucks fan. All of you're posts on this site are about the Bucks and tend to skew in their favor.

20 Nov 2017 16:04:12
A closet Bucks fan? Actually no, I live in Wisconsin. I don't live in Ohio, Plus the fact I'm NOT a bandwagon jumper! I post about local teams, Nothing more. Pity, Understand one thing, Most peoples "opinions" are like most peoples "backsides" The majority of them "Stink! " Now, Don't you have some Cavaliers to cheer for? Oddly enough, The majority of posters her, actually think their ideas count? Like some GM is going to read it and go, "HEY! " that's what WE should do. For me, Its "Grins and Giggles" and nothing more! You wouldn't happen to have a "fantasy" team also would you? Enjoy your day!

20 Nov 2017 16:50:07
@RKenne You stated. Dark side, the Bucks desperately need a second star or they're going to end up like the Cavs during the first Lebron era and Giannis will walk.

NOW you know why i reject all the lame Cousins trade ideas.

22 Nov 2017 08:21:44
Clearly, since you've went back and forth with me for a small book, you're just as invested in the site as I or anyone else is. No need to be pretentious and condescending.

Dacman, the difference in situations is Blake is locked up long term. Cousins may walk after the season and outside of the two bigs, the Pelicans roster is bad and they have no money, picks or players with much value.

18 Nov 2017 01:43:43
Trade 1: Phoe-Clippers-Port-Wolves

Phoe: B Griffin+ McCollum+ L williams

Port: J Butler+ 2rnd pick OKC(from Phoenix)

Wolves: Monroe+ J Jackon

Clippers: B Knight+Dudley+Bender+1rnd pick Miami+ 1rnd pick suns+ 1rnd pick Bucks

Trade 2

LA: D Jordan+ 2rnd pick clippers
Clippers: Ingram+ clarckson+ Deng

Phoenix receive two all star calliber players and a great sixth man. McCollum and Griffin would be a great duo. Griffin could be the main ball handler and McCollum can be a great scorer. Griffin- McCollum-Bookers would be a big three. And they still have some assets to trade for a good center (Chriss+ 2021 Miami pick)

Portland receives a player that would be a better fit than McCollum.

The Wolves get an extra young player with potential and they can stay under the cap.

LA get capspace and they have a backup plan with signing Jordan if they fail to land other big free agents. They lose Ingram, but Kuzma is a good replacement and they trade Deng without losing draft picks

The Clippers can rebuilt with four draft picks, they aso propably keep their 2019 and 2020 pick (top 14 protected), so they only have to give Boston a 2022 second round . And they can develop Bender and Ingram. And Clarcson would be the main scorer in that team, so his stock would go up and they can trade him later for draft picks.

18 Nov 2017 05:39:50
i don't think the wolves would have any interest in this. their current roster can contend for much of the foreseeable future, but i don't think that happens w/ o butler around.

and the clippers have delusions that they are contenders, so blowing it up doesn't seem like their move. i would be shocked if they didn't resign dj (unless he forces his way out like cp did)

18 Nov 2017 08:55:57

A Wiggins get a big contract next year, so the Wolves go over the cap. They also have to pay KAT a Max contract in 2019. Can/ will they pay the luxury tax? I really like Butler, but trading him for J Jackson and a second rnd pick would be a smart move. They don't need to win now, they still have time.

The Clippers do think that. But they're 5-9 and going to play for the eight spot, so this would be a smart move for them.

16 Nov 2017 15:50:06
Clippers: K Love+ M Conley

Cleveland: B Griffin+P Beverly+ M Gasol+ L williams

Memphis: T Thompson+ Shumpert+W Johnson+ Frye+ 1rnd pick Nets+ 1rnd pick Cleveland 2020+ 2rnd pick Clippers 2018

16 Nov 2017 16:07:48
I like it for the Cavs. It's not great for the Clippers and it's a pretty bad return for Memphis.

16 Nov 2017 17:17:33
I said it yesterday, the Clippers are NOT trading Griffin after just resigning him to that huge FA contract.

14 Nov 2017 08:49:46
Phoe: D Lillard

Clippers:J Jackson+ Bender+ Monroe+ 1rnd pick Miami+ 1rnd pick Phoe+ 1rnd pick Miami 2021

Portl: B Griffin

D Lillard is a really good player, but i don't think the combo Lillard-McCollum works, so they should try to trade one of them. The problem is that there're many good pg's for the moment, so they don't get equal value for McCollum. They could get a great return for Lillard, because he's younger and better.

14 Nov 2017 13:52:50
IMO, PHX should keep those picks. Lillard is a fine player but his addition doesn't get the Suns to even into the playoff discussion. Also, it's way too much to give up for just one solid G.

14 Nov 2017 14:04:25
No way the Clippers trade Griffin away after they just resigned him to that huge FA contract to retain him.

14 Nov 2017 14:09:27
not sure exactly what, but i think port should be getting something else. lillard is significantly more valuable in a trade than blake. maybe beverly but that might be too much then, his defense at point would “contrast” mccollum and his offense well.
anyone that says phx is giving up too much is undervaluing dame. he is arguably top 10 in the league.

14 Nov 2017 14:18:00
That team only need a center to become a contender. Booker- Lillard would be a great backcourt.

They could sign a free agent if they can trade Chandler with the bucks pick.
Mahybe cousins.

C: Cousins
PF: Chriss
SF: Warren
SG: Booker
PG: Lillard.

14 Nov 2017 15:45:42
@donadamsky, agree Portland should get a little more.
The Clippers could miss Beverly in a rebuilt and Porland could trow in a second round pick.

This team could kick ass
C: Nurkic
PF: B Griffin
SF: Harkless
SG: Beverly
PG: McCollum
Sixth: Aminu/ Z Collins.

14 Nov 2017 15:50:54
Trading Lillard would be a huge mistake. You don’t trade the all star face of your franchise that is still locked in long term. It just never happens, for a reason.

14 Nov 2017 15:52:53
Suns only a center away from a contender? Best get in to get those eyes checked. The only places they don't have a hole are at SG and maybe SF and that one remains a maybe. Yeah, just a center, PF, Head Coach, PG, and a viable bench away from contending.

14 Nov 2017 17:59:24
can you trade picks for a coaching staff?

14 Nov 2017 18:19:06

So Portland should keep playing for a first round exit?

14 Nov 2017 18:36:13

Does McCollum, Griffin, and Nurkic make it farther than Lillard, McCollum and Nurkic? I don’t think so.

Trading Lillard for griffin is a lateral move. So why trade a fan favorite and your face of your franchise to not get any better?

14 Nov 2017 19:13:43
This trade would make them better.

McCollum is the ideal pg for B Griffin, who can lead the offense and who could be the main ball handler. And P Beverly would make them stronger in defense.

10 Nov 2017 11:38:51
What is the worst trade since 2010 besides the Nets- Celtics trade.

1) OKC- Hou
Hou: Harden
OKC: Lamb+K Martin/ 1rnd pick ( S Adams)

2) Clippers- Cleveland
Clippers: M Williams
Cleveland: b Davis+ 1rnd pick (K Irving)

3) NY- Tor
NY: Bargnani
Tor: Camby+ Novak+ 1rnd pick 2016 (Poetl)+ 2 2rnd picks

4) Suns-Bucks- Philly
Suns: B Knight+ Marchall
Philly: MC williams+ plumlee+ Ennis
Philly: protected 1rnd pick LA 2015 (2018 unprotected LA pick)
4)GS- Bucks
GS: Bogut
Bucks: M ellis

5) Other trade

10 Nov 2017 13:44:06
The Melo trade was pretty bad. Mozgov (who was flipped for 2 firsts later), Gallinari (good starter), Chandler ( good Starter), Felton (solid starter at the time), a 1st and 2 2nds.

Melo was a legit top 10 player at the time, but the Knick's roster was to depleted after the trade to really ever compete at a high level and I can't imagine there was another offer any where near that.

10 Nov 2017 14:10:31
Got to be the Mo Will for Boom Dizz and Kyrie deal.

10 Nov 2017 14:11:53
All good choices for bad deals but, I think if you asked "Media Anointed Genius" Sam Presti in OKC for a do-over, he'd find a way to hang onto James Harden. That team was genuinely scary with all 3 of those guys there.

10 Nov 2017 14:20:40
Maybe this trade was even worse than the Boston trade

Nets: D Williams
Utah: Favors+ D Harris+ 1rnd pick 11 (draft Kanter with 4rd pick, K Thompson, K Leonard and J Butler available) + 1rnd pick Golden state 2013 ( draft Dieng with the 21 pick, Gobert available) . + Cash

Or this one

Nets: G Wallace
Portland: Okur+ 1rnd pick ( D Lillard)

All trades on this forum looks good, if you look to the Nets trades :-)

10 Nov 2017 14:57:24
Golden State trading #3 pick (Kevin Mchale) and Robert Parish for the #1 pick (Joe Barry Carroll)

10 Nov 2017 14:59:18
Charlotte Hornets trading Kobe Bryant to the Lakers for Vlade Divac and bunch of crap.

10 Nov 2017 16:33:39
@ Yumbo, since 2010.

10 Nov 2017 18:47:29
Phoenix gets Marcus Thornton and the Cavs 2016 1st rounder (Skal Labissiere moved in a package for the Chriss pick)

Boston gets Thomas.

On the flip side of the Ainge coin, moving Perkins for Green.

10 Nov 2017 19:38:32
Gerald Wallace for the pick that became Lillard does stick out as pretty terrible.

10 Nov 2017 21:06:31
Forgot to mention that the two players from 1st rounder and pick swap were Jamal Murray and Saric. So both ended up as lottery picks.

10 Nov 2017 23:57:44
Mark Cuban would say rondo deal was a nightmare.

11 Nov 2017 02:43:01
James Harden trade was worse. and the mo will for Davis is close. 3rd choice is the love for Wiggins because the cavs could did Better or kept him.

11 Nov 2017 04:07:32
Love for Wiggins wasn't bad for the Cavs. Wiggins is a worse offensive player, rebounder, passer, and defender. Outside of being younger and more athletic, Wiggins reeally doesn't have anything on Love.

11 Nov 2017 07:00:32
I take Butler or George or cousins other then love because I believe Wiggins is better then what the bulls, pacers and kings gave up.

11 Nov 2017 14:11:56
Sixers get:Andrew Bynum (remember him? ) for Igoudala, Vucevic, Harkless, and a first round pick. Bynum never saw the floor for the sixers.

11 Nov 2017 17:05:47

That was a crazy trade indeed.

Funny that the Magic won that trade :-) :-) :-)

12 Nov 2017 00:33:28
Magic won that trade big time. And the same trade set the sixers back for years.

13 Nov 2017 13:41:09
Ohioboy, yeah, but you're talking about trades that happened 3 years, 3 finals appearance and a Championship after the fact. The Cavs went out and got the best player available for Wiggins and even though the fit has never been perfect, Love has given them more than Wiggins would have to this point.

09 Nov 2017 02:18:01
cleveland and la clippers

cavs get; partrick beverly, deandre jordan, wesley johnson

clippers get; tristan thompson;iman shumpert,channing frye, cedi osman, brooklyn pick 2018,





09 Nov 2017 05:30:30
sure, if the clips say yes.

09 Nov 2017 08:51:47
This would be a good move for the Clippers, this give them the assets to rebuilt around B Griffin. But i doubt they do the trade.

This looks like a steal for Cleveland, but i think D Jordan wouldn't fit in Cleveland's system.

03 Nov 2017 08:49:21
Indy: Bledsoe

Phoe: C Joseph+L Stephenson+ L Williams+W Johnson

Clippers: T chandler+ 1rnd pick Indy (lottery protected)

04 Nov 2017 03:51:11
why would the clippers get that pick?
even if it is lottery protected and won't be anything for years.

02 Nov 2017 20:01:00
The Clippers get Bledsoe, Thompson and the worst of the Suns and Brooklyn picks

The Cavs get Beverly, Jordan, and Chandler

The Suns Zizic, Shumpert, Frye, Zizic, the better of the Brooklyn pick and their own and the Clippers first top 20 protected.

03 Nov 2017 01:24:24
So it looks like the Suns are giving up Chandler and Bledsoe, and if their own pick is better than Brooklyn's, they get nothing in return except the bottom three players on the Cavs roster. Am I reading this wrong?

03 Nov 2017 03:03:12
They get the Clippers protected first, basically they get to add the Brooklyn lottery odds to their lottery odds, Zizic, rid of Chandler's contract which it's been reported they want to get rid of in a Bledsoe trade, and 2 short contracts.


03 Nov 2017 03:15:24
at first look it seems like the cavs are robbing the other two teams, they basically get jordan and bev (both fa’s by 2019) for basically the nets pick, which might be fair, but i'm thinking not.
its not great for the clips. adding bleds but giving up jordan and bev leaves them worse off i think. they are a fringe playoff team, and they seem focused on the now, so the nets pick isn't worth hurting their chances this year.
oh, and the suns get fleeced. but if ziz turns out good, they get two of him, so that's alright i guess.

03 Nov 2017 04:18:02
i didn't realize they also get the clips pick. that's not so bad, bleds value is low and they are rebuilding. it makes some sense i guess. i'd still want an actual high level prospect tho, not just a pick swap.

23 Oct 2017 15:56:12

PHX get: Kenneth Faried, Austin Rivers, and Wesley Johnson

pg. Rivers/ Ullis
sg. Booker/ Daniels
sf. Jackson/ Warren
pf. Bender/ Faried/ Chriss
c. Chandler/ Len

LAC get: Eric Bledsoe and Wilson Chandler

pg. Bledsoe/ Teodosic
sg. Williams/ Dekker
sf. Gallinari/ Chandler
pf. Griffin/ Harrell
c. Jordan/ Reed

DEN get: Jared Dudley and Patrick Beverly

pg. Beverly/ Mudiay
sg. Harris/ Barton
sf. Dudley/ Jefferson
pf. Milsap/ Lyles
c. Jokic/ Hernangomez

23 Oct 2017 17:23:56
I doubt that the Suns would have any interest in that.

23 Oct 2017 14:31:21
Clippers trade Lou Williams (expiring contract), Brice Johnson, and Wes Johnson

Suns trade Eric Bledsoe.

23 Oct 2017 17:26:42
Outside of mild interest Johnson, the Suns wouldn't want any of those players.

23 Oct 2017 13:26:11
Cle: D Jordan

Suns: JR Smith+ W Johnson+ Nets pick

Clippers: Bledsoe+ T Thompson+ 1rnd pick Cleveland 2021

23 Oct 2017 14:45:56
Switching smith with Shumpert (both teams would probably favor that) and drop the the 2nd Cavs first. Then maybe. I'm not sure Jordan is worth it for the Cavs though.

23 Oct 2017 17:00:30
nets pick for dj who has a po next summer? that's a huge gamble especially if he doesn’t come back. he would be smart to take the po for 24 mil headed into his age 30 season but if both lebron + it leave, i can't see him sticking around. like i said, huge gamble, so if the cavs wanna broker the nets pick like that, i'd much rather do it for cousins. i wouldn't toss that 21 pick around either considering their timeline. but it’s a good deal for the other 2 teams. phx gets another lottery pick in exchange for a presumably disgruntled bledsoe.

23 Oct 2017 09:36:40
Bledsoe and Chandler to the Clippers for Rivers, W. Johnson, B. Johnson, a 2018 First Rounder (Top 10 Protected), and a 2019 Second Rounder.

23 Oct 2017 12:54:19
Boston owns the 2019 pick, so the clippers can't trade the 2018 pick.

16 Oct 2017 08:58:17
Miami: A Horford+ 1rnd pick clippers and Vancouver

Boston: H Whiteside

I really like Horford and he's a great player for Boston, but they need a defensive center. And they can't take another big contract unless they trade Horford, who's 31 years old, so they should trade him before he becomes a bad contract. They should try to get Gobert first, but Whiteside is a good second if that fails.

The Heat do this, because Dragic and Horford would be a good combo next year that will make the playoffs and they receive two draft picks, so they can develop some young talents and hit the free agent market in 2020

This Boston team could challenge Cleveland and Golden State
C: Whiteside/ Ojeleye
PF: Morris/ Yabusele
SF: Hayward/ Tatum
SG: Smart/ Brown
PG: Irving/ Rozier

16 Oct 2017 12:39:42
Vancouver? Memphis moving home?

Don't hate the deal, Boston could use a more traditional Center while Miami is weak at the four. I think the C's will leave it alone for now though.

16 Oct 2017 13:35:38
damn i'm living in the 90's again :-)

16 Oct 2017 13:47:27
The Celtics would have two all nba players, a defensive center, that's a borderline all star. Two young talents on the bench, that could make the difference, when the stars are resting. And smart is playing for a bigg contract.
And they keep the Lakers pick, so they could draft an extra asset next year. (The Memphis pick is top 7 protected and the Clippers pick is lottery protected, so it's not a big lose) .

Horford is important, but they lost J Crowder and A Bradley.
The Celtics would have no proplem scoring. Irving and Hayward can both score and pass the ball, so horford's passing skills and 3-point shot would be less important (And Cleveland couldn't beat GS with Love, so Horford would propaply fail too against GS's system. )
You can't win a chamionship withoud defense.
Whiteside is a great rimprotector, so i believe he's the missing link for Boston.

16 Oct 2017 15:01:51
Gasupo, I'm not sure how you can put the finals loss on Love. He played reasonably well. The Cavs were just out manned. Guarding Curry and Durant, while not being able to come off Thompson is almost impossible even with great perimeter defenders. The Cavs had mediocre perimeter defenders at best. Not to mention that the Warriors defense is really good and they had the personnel to hold the Cavs shooters in check some what.

16 Oct 2017 15:50:14
I don't blame K Love for the loss, but he couldn't make the difference.
K Love or Horford can't hurt Golden state, because D Green will get his rebounds and he will get his passes to Curry, durant And Thompson. Every rebound Whiteside gets is a rebound Green can't pass to KD, Curry or Thompson.

16 Oct 2017 15:58:01
Hayward can guard Thompson
Irving can guard Curry
And Smart can guard Durant
Whiteside can guard D Green
Smart can't shoot, so KD, curry, Thompson can also guard Irving, Morris and Hayward.
They have an equal starting five on defence and offence

J Brown could guard Iguodala, so Boston would have a chance if Tatum and J Brown both develop offensive skills.

16 Oct 2017 16:18:16
Irving can't guard Curry, Durant probably has 9 inches on Smart, and Whiteside would struggle guarding Green on the perimeter and guarding Green would keep him away from the basket most of the time which is where he's most effective.

16 Oct 2017 16:20:54
Also, look at Love's rebounding in the finals. He and Lebron probably had 2/ 3s of the Cavs rebounds.

16 Oct 2017 17:21:36
id be happy with this return as miami. i think whiteside has pretty much hit his ceiling so miami should take this offer while his value is high. its hard to tell what miami’s franchise goals are rn, but the two picks are quite useful and horford is a great addition skills and leadership-wise. and i agree with op, a defensive big is boston’s biggest hole, and whiteside is a great B-option if gobert is out of reach.

20 Oct 2017 13:56:28
I understand Whiteside has a solid skill set that the Celtics are lacking, but he's a horrible fit for them on the offensive side. The way Stevens runs his system is with ball movement and spacing. Whiteside is the absolute antithesis of this philosophy. He has no range at all, and is a bigger ball stopper than any of the ball hogs in the league.

16 Oct 2017 06:06:57
Mavs should add an stronger SG that can attack the rim and run plays as well by defending good.



For now Mavs would improve the backcourt.

Maybe Shumpert plays a great year or he is willing to step out for the next year. If not, Shumpert and Wes are similar Players, Wes may a bit more committed overall but next year he is older as has only 1y 17m left. So if Shumpert works or stays Mavs could trade Wes to a contender / good team that Need some SG/SF to free cap space. (Pelicans, Raptors, Pistons or LAC or OKC)

16 Oct 2017 09:00:35
That would be a good move for both teams.

16 Oct 2017 13:35:06
Shumpert has no value.

16 Oct 2017 14:15:21
Not a fan of it for the Cavs. Atleast until IT is back Shumpert looks to be in the rotation and after trading Jefferson, the Cavs would end up being pretty thin on the wing if someone missed time. Plus, the Cavs have 4 more traditional bigs on the roster and it looks like their plans is to only play them at the 5. I don't think Mcroberts would in the Cavs rotation and the chances he is even reasonably healthy this year are pretty slim.

16 Oct 2017 14:54:02
Supercollider, neither does Mcroberts. What's your point?

17 Oct 2017 04:43:09
Well rkenne, now that Melo's been dealt Super has to find someone new to pile on!

100% agreed rkenne.

09 Oct 2017 23:54:10
Boston: R Gobert+ J Johnson

Cleveland: A Horford

Utah: K Love+ Shumpert+J Brown+ 1rnd pick LA+ 1rnd pick Clippers+ 1rnd pick Vancouver

10 Oct 2017 00:54:02
Love for Horford is a lateral move at best for Cleveland (Horford is a slightly better defender, but Love is a much better scorer and better rebounder) for an older more expensive player, while also giving up Shumpert. I don't see the point of this for the Cavs. Especially considering they would be making the Celtics better.

10 Oct 2017 04:33:54
Vancouver? This isn’t the 90’s.

10 Oct 2017 10:17:35
bos giving up way too much for gobert, they offering up the anthony davis package.

10 Oct 2017 13:14:49
Gobert is worth the “Anthony Davis package”. Gobert might be the best center in the NBA.

10 Oct 2017 15:49:15
his defense and rebounding are great, no doubting that. let me see him develop offensively (shooting, passing) before we put him in the same sentence as AD though.

10 Oct 2017 23:12:00
AD is probably the overall better player, but looking at young bigs locked in long term, the trade package required to get them is enormous. Gobert fits that spot. He’s one of the three best defenders in the league. He and Gordon Hayward were tied for the 5th best team in the NBA last year.

Gobert may be the most underrated player in the NBA, just because he doesn’t score a lot and isn’t flashy on offense.

11 Oct 2017 01:50:34
Gobert would get Boston to the finals but as rk said Cavs would be better off with Love and it doesn't make sense for them.

But would love that deal for Boston because Rudy is a beast!

11 Oct 2017 02:18:02
gobert is great, and surely hasn't even had his best seasons yet. and he would be perfect for boston. i just think they are giving up too much in this deal. jaylen brown and the lakers pick alone could end up being > gobert in a few years. also, the cavs have no place in this trade. they aren't swapping love for horford.

11 Oct 2017 02:21:20
Agree Bmiller, his defense affects the game in my opinion more than any other players. Utah didn't have anyone else on their team who was an elite defender and they ended up being rated the 3rd best defense in the league behind the Spurs (Green and Leonard) and Warriors (Green Durant and Thompson) . He also made a fairly big jump on the offensive end and I think we'll see a similiar jump this year.

11 Oct 2017 16:32:15
Dona, you may be right about the potential of Brown and the pick, but Gobert has a better chance of becoming a top ten player than either of the other two becoming an allstar and that's what the league is built on. You need a top 10 player to compete in he league. Trading for Gobert would be one of the few ways I think the Celtics would actually have a chance of beating the Cavs this year or even next year if Cleveland can keep it together.

11 Oct 2017 23:13:01
OMG *Memphis 😋

11 Oct 2017 23:16:27
But they won't get Anthony Davis for that package.

C: Gobert
PF: Morris
SF: Hayward
SG: Smart
PG: Irving
Sixth: tatum

This is a team that could beat Cleveland and could challenge Golden State.

04 Oct 2017 04:53:21
Utah Jazz trade: Derrick Favors, Alec Burks, and 2018 Utah Jazz first-round draft pick
Utah Jazz receive: Al Horford

In an attempt to compete for a playoff spot in the loaded Western Conference, the Jazz trade two semi-young, potential-filled players who really struggled last year while battling with injuries, along with a first-round pick, for a proven star-level player who would undoubtedly fit in very well alongside Rudy Gobert. Horlord is a player who can do a little bit of everything and has proven to be very consistent throughout his years in the league. Should Favors and Burks never return back to their 2015-16 form, this trade would turn out to be a steal for the Jazz.

Boston Celtics trade: Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Al Horford, Aron Baynes, Abdel Nader, 2018 Los Angeles Lakers first-round draft pick/2019 Sacramento Kings first-round draft pick, 2018 Boston Celtics first-round draft pick, and 2019 Memphis Grizzlies first-round draft pick
Boston Celtics receive: Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, Alexis Ajinca and Tony Allen

Before I go any further, I feel compelled to mention that this trade would be contingent upon, at minimum, Cousins verbally agreeing to stay in Boston beyond 2018. With that being said, the Celtics are receiving the future of the NBA in 24-year-old Davis and another superstar in 27-year-old Cousins, so yes, they would have to give up an arm and a leg to pair those two alongside all-stars 25-year-old Kyrie Irving and 27-year-old Gordon Hayward. Wiping out their two young studs and most of their future assets (draft picks) would undoubtedly hurt Danny Ainge to the very core, but the "consolation prize" he would receive would be worth the hurt. Davis and Cousins would give him a 'Big Four' to probably pass the Cleveland Cavaliers as the best team in the Eastern Conference and challenge the older Golden State Warriors for the NBA championship for years to come. Ajinca and Allen would provide the team additional depth for the inevitable championship run the team would make.

New Orleans Pelicans trade: Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, Alexis Ajinca, and Tony Allen
New Orleans Pelicans receive: Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Derrick Favors, Alec Burks, Aron Baynes, Abdel Nader, 2018 Los Angeles Lakers first-round draft pick/2019 Sacramento Kings first-round draft pick, 2018 Utah Jazz first-round draft pick, 2018 Boston Celtics first-round draft pick, and 2019 Memphis Grizzlies first-round draft pick

The Pelicans have been struggling, struggling, and struggling some more to build a competent team around Davis. Even with the addition of Cousins, the Pelicans struggled beyond the all-star break to compete at a playoff level. There is no better time to trade Davis than now, and no team with more to offer the Pelicans for the services of Davis and Cousins than the Celtics. The package the Pelicans would receive in this trade would be very hard to pass up. Tatum and Brown are both extremely young and overflowing with potential. Both can be all-stars in future if provided the appropriate opportunities. Favors was an above average starting power forward two seasons ago before struggling, due to injuries, this past season. Burks was in a similar situation, although he was never as talented as Favors. Any type of resurgence from either player (which is likely due to the fact that both should be recovered from their injuries following this offseason) would allow the Pelicans to either build around them or flip them for more younger prospects. Finally, the Pelicans would receive a slew of first-round draft picks around which they could build around. The Lakers/Kings draft pick could be a top five pick, either in 2018 or 2019, and should undoubtedly be in the top 10. The Jazz and Grizzlies picks should fall somewhere between the 10-20 range, but could be higher depending on how the two teams perform. Finally, the Celtics draft pick would probably fall somewhere in the 25-30 range upon the execution of this trade, where quality players still exist if scouted well. It would be hard for the Pelicans to receive a better offer for any combination of Davis and Cousins at any point over the upcoming seasons than this one.

04 Oct 2017 10:13:38
aside from NO moving davis and boogie together, nothing else is really outrageous about these trades. could work out in the long run for the pels if they draft right.

04 Oct 2017 10:34:11
i think i would prefer a version of this trade where boogie and one of brown/ tatum (i think i'd choose brown) stay put. i just can't see davis and boogie ever really thriving together especially alongside someone like kyrie who should be a primary scorer.

04 Oct 2017 13:09:05
Agree with donadamsky that trading for both would be kind of dumb since the experiment would have failed for NO already. I think they would be better off trying to keep Tatum or Brown. They need an another wing and guy who can turn in to an elite perimeter defender.

I also don't like this for Utah. They need a number one scoring option, but that isn't Horford. He would be a decent fit next at pf for them, but I'm not sure this even guarantees them a playoff spot. Horford is on a huge contract for 3 more years and by the end of it, he won't be worth the money. The Jazz are a fairly young team. I think they would be better off going through a mini rebuilding around Gobert or a complete rebuild.

This is a solid return for NO, but I'm still don't think they'll want to move Davis anytime in the near future.

04 Oct 2017 16:15:50
I can't imagine the Pelicans moving Davis without getting both Tatum and Brown back.

05 Oct 2017 16:55:46
Hilarious. The Pelicans have been "struggling" Boogie and A. D. have played a whopping 15 games together since last season. And half of those are Holiday yet all of you think New Orleans is going to dump A. D.? Let me help you guys out with this. You do NOT trade a once in a generation player for mediocre to average pieces. If so i might propose this trade

Celtics fans really have a knack for thinking the rest of the league owes them their Superstars

Pathetic trade idea.

07 Oct 2017 15:01:14
Dacman, that's four really good trade pieces (Brown, Tatum, La/ Sac and Memphis) and a few mediocre ones (Favors, Utah pick, Boston pick, Nader, and Burke) as well without having to take on much long term salary. I don't think NO should trade Davis anytime soon, but theoretically if they did, this would be a great haul. There isn't a team in the league that would be willing to give up more than that that has the pieces to do it.

24 Sep 2017 22:55:06
NY: Deng+ Ingram

Clippers: C Lee

LA: O'Quin+ L Williams+Kuzminskas+ Liggins

25 Sep 2017 00:51:32
Lakers have never included Ingram in a potential salary dump. don't think they start now. No from Lakers.

25 Sep 2017 01:02:30
i think LA is definitely trying to keep ingram. unless they know something we don’t.

25 Sep 2017 23:36:46
They could sign PG13, Westbrook and D Cousins, if they can dump Deng.

C: Cousins
PF: Randle/ Nance
SF: PG13
SG: Westbrook
PG: Ball.

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