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24 Apr 2018 16:41:02
nba trade on draft trade
if leonard really want to leave in spurs and not signing in 2019 with spurs trade him

leonard to knicks
frank ntilikina, tim hardaway jr and 2018 new york knicks 1st rd pk for kawhi leonard

leonard to trailblazers
cj McCollum and 2018 portland trailblazers 1st rd pk and 2020 1st rd pk for kawhi leonard

leonard to clippers
deandre jordan, danilo gallinari and 2018 los angeles clippers 1st rd pk for kawhi leonard and pau gasol

not to lakers: spurs ban and trade offer from lakers
not to celtics: maybe celtics can't reach nba finals i believe celtics is a contender next season when irving hayward is back and brown on her 3rd season and tatum on her 2nd season
not to 76ers i don't think 76ers need leonard 76ers lead 3-1 over heat and 1 games left to advance in semi finals and can sign lebron james

any thoughts?

21 Apr 2018 20:18:24
Cavs offseason
Lebron stays
Brk pick lands 2

Trade 1
Kevin love to la clippers for Montrezl Harrell,Patrick Beverly,Sam dekker,pick 12,2020 1st top 5 protected,2021 2nd,2019 2nd

Trade 2
Tristan Thompson,2 2nds to Atlanta for 2023 2nd

Trade Kyle krover to okc Thunder for 2022 2nd

Trade jr smith to Charlotte if kemba traded for Jutland stone

Buy picks 38,45,49


2-luka Doncic

12- Wendell carter jr

38-hamidou Diallo

45-Jevon carter

49-jontay porter

Sign Paul George 2yr 53mil

Sign demarcus cousins 2yr 52mil

Sign Jamal Crawford vet min

Sign Larry drew ii vet min

Sign toney Allen

Sign Richard Jefferson vet

Fire Tyron lue hire Larry drew win title

Starting lineup

Goerge hill

Luka Doncic

Paul George

Lebron James

Demarcus cousins

20 Apr 2018 23:48:32
What's the best offer the Spurs can get if Leonard really wants out and play for a big market team.
Teams aren't going to give fair value for him. So what's the best offer?

1) Miami
Adebayo+ Winslow+Dragic

Deng+ Ingram+ future draft pick

Harris+ Detroit and Clippers pick

Tatum+Morris+future draft pick
or Hayward+ Future draft pick

Ntilikina+Hardaway+ draft pick

Bayless+Fultz+LA pick

7)Chicago: R Lopez+Portis+ 1rnd pick 2018 and 2020

21 Apr 2018 02:56:55
Deal by deal:

1) no, Winslow has been a disappointment, and Spurs are going to want a pick too.

2) HECK NO! No way they take on Deng's contract, and what pick do the Lakers have to give that would be top 5 after they acquire Leonard. Personally, I don't even know if I like Ball over Dejonte right now.

3) no, Harris is a nice player, but him and two late lottery picks are nowhere close.

4) closer, I could see Tatum, Morris and two draft picks (one being Lakers/ Sac) if Leonard gave a nudge, nudge, wink, wink on resigning.

5) HECK NO, I know Frank is not better than Dejonte, Hardaway is a nice role player on a large contract, and number 9 is nowhere close.

6) take out Bayless, add in either Covington or Saric, add in the Sixers pick, and you're close.

7) no Lopez, add Valentine instead, who with Portia and the two picks gets you close.

I agree the Spurs are going to have to sell a little low on Kawhi, but all of these are not value enough to get him.

21 Apr 2018 03:25:16
Porzingis Hardaway for Leonard.

21 Apr 2018 11:21:25
P george was traded for Oladipo (not a star he's now) and Sabonis, the Pacers couldn't even get a draft pick for him.
Butler was traded for a late lottery, LaVine and Dunn.
Both trades turned out good for the Bulls and the Pacers.

All these trade give the the Spurs the opportunity to develop young players.

No team is going to give up fair value for Leonard. P George and LBJ are on the market this year, K Thompson, Butler, the next. No team is going to do a new C Anthony to the Knicks trade.

21 Apr 2018 13:05:56
Butler and George are not Leonard, and most these deals have mediocre young players and picks.

21 Apr 2018 13:44:06
I think these assets give them a good opportunity to rebuilt.
And the Miami offer gives them the opportunity to stay competitive for a few years.

22 Apr 2018 07:05:55
gasupo I agree to triangle O Butler and George is not Kawhi, kawhi Leonard is NBA champions NBA finals MVP an all star and dpoy and he also the one who gets championship back in 2015 in Spurs and also more accomplished than Butler and George.

19 Apr 2018 23:58:29
The Clippers the 15th overall and the Wizards 19 1st

The Wizards get the 12th

The Wizards are heavy on wings and guards, but need a center to replace Gortat. They trade up to get Robert Williams. He's really the only center that will be available and worth taking between 10 and 20.

If the Clippers are blowing it up, they can really take anyone and given the fact that they own the 13th, they're essentially only moving back 2 spots and adding a pick would be a win for them. If they're trying to build around their current roster, they don't need a center. That means they're only losing one viable prospect by moving back and there are a ton of guards and wings at that part of the draft.

20 Apr 2018 00:53:04
Or, the Wizards could trade down and dump some salary (they will be in the luxury tax next year) to get a center in the 20s.

20 Apr 2018 13:16:18
What are the chances that you're getting your future starting center at 20? Also, they can probably get off of some of their smaller contracts for that move, but I don't see that being enough to get off of Mahimi. That's really the only movable player they have that would get them out of the luxury. Imo, they should make a move that is going to help them take the next step.

20 Apr 2018 19:00:59
@rk ilgauskas was the 20th pick in 1996 lmao. but yeah, that being the only example it is a longshot.

19 Apr 2018 17:13:06
Memphis: T Harris+L Williams+ 1rnd pick Detroit

NY: D Jordan

Clippers: C Parsons+ J Noah+ 1rnd pick Memphis+ 1rnd pick NY+ 1rnd pick NY 2019

Clippers draft: Doncic/ Bridges and R Williams

19 Apr 2018 16:13:02

Spurs get Tobias Harris, Sam Dekker, Sindarius Thornwell, #12 and #13 picks, and a future 2nd

Clippers get Kawhi Leonard and #18 pick.

19 Apr 2018 16:43:47
I don't see why the Clippers get a pick back. That's a mediocre package for Leonard at best before the Spurs have to send back a pick.

19 Apr 2018 17:09:27
@rk its similar to the jimmy butler deal and they swapped 1st’s and harris is better than any of the players the bulls got.
i could see the spurs taking this if they don't get blown away by another team’s offer.

19 Apr 2018 17:56:36
Yeah, but Kawhi is significantly better than Butler and Dunn despite his bad play his rookie year was just selected 5th overall, you're comparing Tobias his in his 7th year to Lavine in his 3rd, and a swap of the 7th pick for for the 16th to the 18 for the 12th. I'm not even sure the 12 and the 13 pick get you the 7th pick in a trade. I think the general consensus was the Bulls didn't get a great deal for Butler and without hesitation I would take that deal over this one. I think it would be a safe assumption to make that Dunn even after a bad year still was a safer bet than those two midlottery picks, obviously the seventh pick last year was better than either of them, and Lavine has the potential to develop into an allstar. Harris is a quality starter, but the chances he ever becomes an allstar are pretty slim.

20 Apr 2018 13:19:52
rkenne, couldn't have said it better.

18 Apr 2018 14:38:30
Brian Windhorst on ESPN (very reliable when it comes to Lebron) said that Kawhi's and Lebron's futures are linked and that Lebron will reach out to Kawhi after playoffs to discuss potential landing destinations. Windhorst mentioned Philly, Lakers and Clippers as potential destinations. Kawhi will be a free agent in 2019 and can demand which team the Spurs trade him to and Lebron can also force a sign and trade like Chris Paul did last summer.

Let's look at the Clippers case. Jerry West is probably the best in the business and has contributed in building superteams including this current Warriors team. Steve Ballmer is also willing to pay "whatever it takes" to get his team a championship. Clippers could package two lottery picks and Tobias Harris (very good player) for Kawhi which he would push the Spurs to accept or lose him for nothing.
Clippers could then sign Lebron and Paul George

- Tobias Harris, 2018 Clippers 1st, 2018 Detroit 1st for Kawhi Leonard

- Lebron James - 3yrs/100M (S/T with Gallinari off to Cleveland)
- Paul George - 3yrs/100M
- Deandre Jordan opts in
- Fill out the bench with vets and young players for minimum contracts

Total Payroll would be around $140M

PG - Beverley, Rivers, Evans
SG - George, Williams, Thornwell
SF - Kawhi, Dekker,
PF - Lebron, Harrell,
C - Jordan,

18 Apr 2018 15:00:59
Clippers don't have cap space for that. Gallinari takes up 20m.

18 Apr 2018 15:22:09
I like this idea, but the Clippers need to trade Gallinari to make this work.

18 Apr 2018 16:22:10
Why would the Cavs take on Gallinari's contract? He's overpayed, always hurt, about to be thirty, it would keep the Cavs deep in the luxury tax, and the Cavs will be tanking if Lebron leaves. I can't see them taking on major salary without getting some significant assets back.

Also, Kawhi doesn't have much control over where he's traded. He can't just pick one team and say trade me there. He's under contract and doesn't have a no trade clause.

The Clippers would be the worst of the 3 options you mentioned. The Lakers and Philly both have significant cap space and young talent. The Clippers are capped out and just to get Lebron and Kawhi, they would probably have to trade every asset they have and there's no way they would be able to bring in George, Lebron, and Leonard.

18 Apr 2018 16:36:43
That would be after the 2019 season. And, he CAN'T, demand to be traded to someplace he wants o be traded to. That is ridiculous. The Spurs will trade him to whomever has the best offer. If the best offer is from the team he wants to go to, fine. But it will be on the Spurs terms not his.

18 Apr 2018 16:30:16
One huge problem with your logic: Leonard can’t demand the spurs trade him to a specific team. If he wants out, they have absolutely no loyalty to him or what he wants. Look at Paul George as precedent of that. George wanted to go to the Lakers, but Indy didn’t care. And there would absolutely be teams that would take him on a rental and risk him bolting.

18 Apr 2018 21:11:42
Not to mention that LBJ is a FA this off season and he will be signing a long term contract somewhere.

18 Apr 2018 14:06:34
Spurs off-season moves

If lamarcus aldrigde unhappy what happen to Spurs this of season

Harrison Barnes and 2019 Dallas Mavericks 1st rd draft pick lottery protected for lamarcus aldrigde


If Kawhi Leonard requested a trade

And clippers win in KL trade

Danilo Gallinari, DeAndre Jordan and 2018 Los Angeles Clippers 1st rd draft pick for Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green

Resign parker
Resign anderson
Resign Bertans
Sign Bradley
Sign Noel
Draft Bridges via clippers pick
Draft Smith or Williams own Spurs pick

Spurs depth 2018-2019

PG Murray, Mills, Parker, White
SG Bradley, Bridges, Ginobili, Smith
SF Barnes, Anderson, Gay
PF Gallinari, Bertans
C Gasol, Noel, Lauvergne

18 Apr 2018 16:28:20
Why would the Mavs have interest in Aldridge? They're in the middle of a rebuild and he's on the wrong side of 30. Not to mention that is probably and over pay for him.

That is also a terrible package for Kawhi. Gallo isn't an asset and probably has negative value given his contract. The only value that Jordan would have in this situation is the fact that he's an expiring and even as an expiring, he isn't that valuable since the Spurs are taking on an extra 10+ million dollars in this trade. So basically they get a late lottery pick and have to take on a bad contract for a top 5 player in the middle of his prime.

19 Apr 2018 00:11:45
Spurs would win roughly 6 games only due to pop and Gallinari would miss another 40 games even with the “rest players” the spurs do! They should probably sign d rose to a max then!

17 Apr 2018 01:11:50
The Celtics get Drummond, Kawhi, and D Green

The Pistons get Kidd-Gilchrest, Morris, Rozier, and the Clippers 19 1st

The Spurs Kemba, Tatum, and Horford

The Hornets get Gasol(buyout) Yabasele, Murray, Theis and the Kings 2019 1st

17 Apr 2018 14:05:41
Pistons aren't giving up Drummond for that.

17 Apr 2018 14:48:35
You'll probably get critiqued for this being a lopsided Cavs trade, even though they aren't even in this proposal. lol.

17 Apr 2018 19:46:00
the celtics are giving up too much to get kawhi considering tatum+horford > drummond+green, i'd keep morris over green too
and i say its more realistic charlottle gets off a big contract like batum or williams (to spurs) than gets the very valuable kings pick, then horford stays in boston
maybe charlotte gets clippers pick and detroit gets a spurs 1st.

17 Apr 2018 22:25:32
The thing about the Kings 2019 pick is, it's #1 over all protected. If it actually becomes THE number one pick, it reverts back to Philly, and the Celtics get 2 2nd round picks. No way anyone is trading gor that pick in any kind of blockbuster deal until it is known exactly where it lands.

18 Apr 2018 02:09:10
@yumbo i thought if the sac pick is #1 then bos get phi’s first.

16 Apr 2018 22:31:06
MIL hires Doc Rivers

- brings Jordan and Williams for Bledsoe, Snell, Maker, Wilson and 17th

- s/t Jabari Parker for Kemba Walker

- sign Ilyasova 1y 6mil

pg Walker/ Dellavedova
sg Brogdon/ Williams
sf Middleton/ Brown
pf Antetokounmbo/ Ilyasova
c Jordan/ Henson

- Walker setlles in a playoff team, Jordan and Lou will have their chances for a long run in their 30s

- LAC retools with a 20ppg, 6apg point guard, overpaid Snell who is though underachieving in these Bucks and young assets

- Michael Jordan gets a future all star player in a multi year contract

16 Apr 2018 23:29:57
No need for Rivers!, Would rather see the Bucks hire Asst. HC Becky Hammon from the Spurs. Milwaukee is getting a new arena, No need for an Old coach in it. They've had that before. Give Hammon's a chance, Next, Take out Bledsoe, and put in Dellavedova, or Brogdan (Last years ROY), Milwaukee just trade for Bledsoe, No need also for Illyasova, he played for Milwaukee before, and had a chance to come back, after being released, He chose not to! The Bucks currently have 10 guards, easy to find a backup (B. Jennings) behind Bledsoe.

PG Bledsoe/ Jennings
SG Middleton/ Brown
C Jordan/ Zeller
PF Antetokounmbo/ Henson
SF Parker/ Muhhamed

Sounds better!


16 Apr 2018 23:35:39
I agree with Dark Side on this one.

17 Apr 2018 01:13:12
With who?

17 Apr 2018 03:08:02
Yes, a good point by dark side.

18 Apr 2018 03:08:22
Kidd was a new coach.

18 Apr 2018 03:08:35
Only 2 years or something before he came.

16 Apr 2018 21:12:45
Cavs off-season if Lebron leaves


The Cavs get Anderson, Noah, Ferguson, Burk, the 9th pick via NY, 2 future Houston 1sts and 2 2nds from the Thunder

The Knicks get Hill, Gordon, and Singler

The Thunder get Courtney Lee

Houston gets Lebron and Patterson

2nd trade

The Cavs get Brooks, Parsons, the 2nd overall pick, the 12th overall pick and the 2021 Memphis pick lottery protected

The Clippers get the 8th pick and Clarkson

The Grizzlies get Love, Lou Williams, and the 13 overall pick

3rd trade

Lakers get Smith (buyout, and Korver(buyout)

The Cavs get Deng and the Lakers 2020 1st lottery protected

4th trade

The Cavs get Dieng, Tyus Jones, and a 2nd

The Timberwolves get Ryan Anderson

Draft Doncic, Young and Knox

Let Hood walk

Pg Young/Jones/Burks
Sg Doncic/ Ferguson
SF Osman/Brooks/Deng
PF Knox/Dieng/Parsons
C Nance/Zizic/Noah

The roster would be at around 106 million, so it would be below the luxury tax and Deng, Parsons, and Noah can all be bought out after. Next season.

The Cavs would have 4 extra future 1sts

17 Apr 2018 00:49:22
Why let Hood walk? Just curious.

17 Apr 2018 21:17:17
I just don't see the Cavs being willing to pay luxury tax to keep him, if they're rebuilding.

15 Apr 2018 20:11:02
Kawhi Leonard to clippers for pick 12,pick 13,Lou Williams,juwan Evans,sindarius thornwell,Austin Rivers

15 Apr 2018 21:32:02
The spurs don't need to add 4 more guards to their already guard heavy lineup.

16 Apr 2018 02:05:38
Meaningless picks over paid 6 man for top 3 player smh.

16 Apr 2018 05:53:33
Both picks, Harris, Beverley and an additional future 1st is closer to landing KL.

15 Apr 2018 19:50:17
Spurs: Warren+Dudley 1rnd pick Suns

Suns: D Jordan+ K Leonard

Clippers: t Chandler+ Chriss+ 1rnd pick Bucks

15 Apr 2018 20:45:14
Suns don't have bucks pick to yrade, it remained protected for this year.

16 Apr 2018 00:52:05
I would love to hear your reasoning on why the suns would be willing to give up all that, for a free agent, and a guy with one year left. Suns first rounder won't be traded this year, unless it falls to 4 maybe.

15 Apr 2018 17:14:40
Orlando Magic offseason

Trade Evan Fournier to Milwaukee for Mathew dellodova,pick 17

Trade nik Vucevic to la clippers for Wesley Johnson,pick 12

Pick land at 2 in lottery

2-luka Doncic

12-Wendell carter

17-Jevon carter

35-hamidou diallo

42-Fred sims

Free ageny

Resign Arron Gordon 5yr 105 mil

Let Everyone else walk

Sign free van valet 2yr 15mil

Sign Derrick Williams 1yr 3mil

Finish 15 in east draft Nasir little next year

15 Apr 2018 18:13:29
Why would the Bucks want another 6'7" G/ F? Plus taking on Fourniers 17 Mil a yr. contract? I don't thinks Milwaukee would give up a player, Any player, Plus the 17th pick for Fournier, I don't believe any team would. He just isn't worth it.

15 Apr 2018 18:52:38
The Milwaukee deal is not good, but the Clips one is terrible. If Jordan is not re-upped or opts in, Clips are going into rebuild mode. They would not give up pick 12 to get Vucevic. If they do keep Jordan, there is no use for Nik, and 12 will most likely be shopped as part of a package for a star player.

15 Apr 2018 19:43:13
Milwaukee would be wise to send the 17th pick, Henson, Parker, and Dellavedova to the Clippers for Jordan. The Bucks need a Center badly! A defensive, rebounding Center. Jordan fits the bill. Milwaukee has enough scorers, But are 30th in the league in rebounding. Money save by Milwaukee could sign Jordan long term.

15 Apr 2018 03:32:24
Atlanta get Gasol(buyout), Brandon Paul, and the 2019 Sacramento 1st

The Clippers get Ojeleye, Nader, Nader, Mills, White and the Spurs 18 1st plus 12 million in Savings

The Celtics get Leonard

The Spurs get Jordan, Williams, Tatum, Morris, and Schroeder

Spurs line up

Green/Williams/ Ginobli

15 Apr 2018 06:45:33
rkenne_16 seem good trade for spurs but sound bad trade to clippers.

15 Apr 2018 18:14:29
I don't think Tatum, an expiring Morris, and a top 10 1st round pick is enough for Leonard.

14 Apr 2018 22:25:57
Pelicans get Tobias Harris

Clippers get E'tuan Moore
Chiec Diallo
Alexis Ajinca
Frank Jackson
2019 1st

15 Apr 2018 00:13:53
Seems very repetitive with Mirotic. Especially if they still have Cousins and AD. I think his best position is pf. I guess he could slide down to the 3 though.

14 Apr 2018 17:20:48
Nikola Vucevic to clippers for pick 12,Wesley Johnson

14 Apr 2018 15:51:31
The Bucks get Deandre Jordan, Lou Williams, and Sefolosha

The Jazz get T Harris, Beverly, Dellavedova and Snell

The Clippers get Rubio(exp), Burks(exp), Jerebko (exp), Henson, Brogdon, Utah's 2018 1st, Utah's 2020 1st lottery protected, Milwaukee's 2020 1st top 8 protected, and a Bucks 2nd plus they save 10 million this year and 40 million next year.

14 Apr 2018 16:19:20
Bucks get Andre Jordan AND Lou Williams for scrubs like delladova, henson, snell, brogdon (OK player) and a protected first in 2 years?

14 Apr 2018 16:50:24
I'd say Brogdon is a good young player with some upside side and Snell is probably breaks even valuewise. I don't think Jordan at 30 on an expiring contract has a ton of value and Williams is going to be 32. Maybe, the Bucks should give up a little more (another protect 1st or Maker? ), but I think if someone was going to give up anything decent for either of those guys, they would have been moved already. Plus, Utah needs another pg in the deal, so it isn't terrible for them to take Delly even if he is overpayed. I think the Clippers can handle taking on 1 mildly bad deal in Henson since they're shedding so much moment and adding 3 picks and Brogdon. IMO, Harris is probably the most valuable guy in this deal. He can score, shot the 3 at 40 percent this year, and is a pretty versatile defender plus he's only 25.

14 Apr 2018 19:05:47
@rkeene_16, Agreed! Milwaukee needs to get a decent Center. Also L. Williams over Snell or Brogdan, Dellevedova and Henson (maker) are just taking up space, and Cash! As far as T. Harris, Agreed! Milwaukee should have never traded him to the Magic for JJ Riddick, who couldn't wait to leave the Buck's. Brogdan is ok, But still upset over losing his starting PG position to Bledsoe, Even though he was drafted as a SG. Maker has been a complete disappointment. 7'1" and more of a 3 point shooter than defender. The only change I would make is taking out Sefolosha, and putting in S. Dekker. Milwaukee needs a backup SF.


14 Apr 2018 19:45:38
Torque, Sefolosha is a 3 and d Sf that can play the 2 and the 4 in small ball lineups. He's a really good defender and is a much better player than Dekker, who can't really play the 4 or the 3, but is worse at the 5, 2, and 1.

15 Apr 2018 03:09:15
i think clippers don't get enough in that trade and trade jordan williams and harris? in useless return? if lebron james sign with clippers with 40m/ years if be better are you idiot? can you stop posting please its not good.

14 Apr 2018 05:56:15
Knicks offseason

Trade noah,nilikina,lee and 18 1st to clippers for harris and Jordan

Let kanter walk

Sign rondo 2yr 16 mill

Jordan/o quinn

14 Apr 2018 13:19:28
Kanter will not "walk". The only reason he is talking about possibly opting out is if the Knicks agree to a long term extension with him. He loves NY. He will either sign his $16million PLAYER option with the Knicks or opt to sign out in order to sign long term with the knicks. Please get this idea of "Let Kanter walk" out of your head. It isn't happening.

14 Apr 2018 16:26:50
It's almost 19mil. All the more reason Kanter will exercise his option. It's his last big pay day. End up in a deadline trade maybe.

14 Apr 2018 16:43:38
Kanter is owed 19 million for his option. Not turning that down.

14 Apr 2018 18:36:25
His last big pay day? Seriously what are you saying? He’s 25.

15 Apr 2018 21:52:06
jorgawood Kanter is expected to decline his option. His agent has even approached the media and said so. Hamburger is right. he is just entering his prime and became an elite double double guy on the Knicks. that will get him 18 million+ now due to the revenue increase.

13 Apr 2018 07:26:38
Celtics get Kawhi Leonard and get a Superteam for years.

Celtics get: Leonard and Gasol

Spurs get: Brown, Rozier, Morris and Horford + 2019 Clippers Pick and 2019 Kings Pick

Good Deal for both Teams. Kawhi wants out of San Antonio and C's don't give up Jayson Tatum.

13 Apr 2018 09:23:59
Tatum brown rozier no picks or no trade.

13 Apr 2018 11:26:46
Boston is not going to trade two starters, two other rotation pieces and two probable lottery picks for a guy who can walk away after next season and might not even want to play basketball.

13 Apr 2018 13:03:46
I think he wants to play basketball, I just don't think it's for the Spurs.

13 Apr 2018 13:06:36
supercollider i think he can walk after the season but i don't think he doesn't want to play basketball he want to play and medicaly clear to play but pop and spurs don't want kawhi to play so don't say he don't want to play.

13 Apr 2018 14:13:38
If he doesn't want to play for the Spurs, why would he want to play with the Celtics? Pop and the Spurs are the team that they try to emulate the most.

13 Apr 2018 15:01:25
Missing playoffs hurts him, even if he was pissed its a poor business decision. A good agent would advise against that strategy. Teams would have gladly offered something for him. Now he looks hurt. Damaged goods.

13 Apr 2018 16:31:53
Disagree, soxfan, Pop and Stevens are 2 different people. Pop, has become jaded, also old and grumpy. He wants everyone to be like it was in the old dsys. NBA is not like that anymore. Today, the NBA is all about young millionaires doing what they want and where they want to play. They want to go to where they can win rings.
Stevens is nothing like Popovich. yet lol.

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