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15 Feb 2020 09:33:52
1) Knicks-Philly-Was

Knicks: B Simmons

Philly: Beal

Was: Barret+ Knox+ portis+ 1rnd pick Dall 21

2)NY-Phoenix

NY:Booker
Phoe: D Smith+ Randle+Trier+ 1rnd pick NY+ 1rnd pick NY 2022+1rnd pick Clippers 2020+ 1rnd pick Dallas 2023


Knicks
C Robinson
PF:simmons
SF:Bullock
SG:Booker
PG:Payton

15 Feb 2020 14:23:33
Beal is worth more.

15 Feb 2020 15:29:43
New york has nothing of value to offer for Booker. If Booker were to leave phoenix it would most likely be as a free agent to team up with towns and Russell, because the wolves have nothing to offer phoenix either.

15 Feb 2020 20:08:53
NY definitely has assets of value. Enough for two all stars? Probably not. But for one? Definitely.

15 Feb 2020 21:40:12
There 2020 pick and Barrett should get them something good. And the rest should be just as good. I see two stars.

15 Feb 2020 22:49:00
You guys are crazy barret has been average and any team who wants draft picks is rebuilding and would want to keep their young stars. Randle knox Smith jr and Frank will not bring any star either. Maybe they get an older vet, but no way they get Booker for any of that.

16 Feb 2020 15:56:34
Cavs got love for Wiggins and Bennett.

I think Knicks can get a star for barret and there top 3 2020 pick especially if it’s number one and clippers pick

Also think Knox smith jr Robinson Randle and frank plus 5 first Dallas two and three of there own can get u a real good player also.

Just saying what if wall comes back 100 percent. Knicks get wall and Beal for 2020 first barret and there 2021 unprotected Randle Payton plus Knicks has contracts with team options Who they can waive and still have 2023 and 2025 plus clippers and two first from Dallas and cap room to get more proven talent. They can clear cap to just have wall Beal Knox Robinson and have about 30 mill in cap space that will be a decent start.

But I think Knicks should keep same team and get another good pick in 2021 then try to get Embiid and sign Giannis in2021 along with someone else to fit them.

16 Feb 2020 15:57:14
Barrett looked great in rising stars.

16 Feb 2020 18:19:54
Barrett is a nice prospect. Add him to a lottery pick and a future pick or two and you get an all star I think.

That leaves future picks for a good team (Dallas) and a bunch of guys with low ceilings. Maybe you could throw Robinson, Knox, and 4 firsts to get an all star, but I don’t see the high end asset that teams want when sending all stars out.

14 Feb 2020 21:21:43
This summer i suggested this S&T trade:

Clippers: J Butler
Philly: gallinari+ 1rnd pick

Clippers:
C:Zubac/Patterson
PF:Harrell/J Green
SF:Leonard/Morris
SG:J Butler/L williams/shamet
PG:SGA/Beverly

Philly
C:Embiid
PF:Gallinari
SF:Harris
SG:Richardson
PG:Simmons

do you think this would have worked for both teams?

14 Feb 2020 21:37:20
Butler plays for the Heat bro.

15 Feb 2020 04:18:08
I think he meant LAST summer (offseason) he suggested this.

And I don't think the Clippers get Leonard by getting Butler.

15 Feb 2020 05:11:43
rkenne_16 he literally said this summer meaning before Butler was traded.

15 Feb 2020 12:30:23
Eh, I just saw this summer s and t. My bad.

12 Feb 2020 22:39:54
The_inside:

LAC: #31, Powell
DAL: S&T Harrell 100m/5y

WIZ: Hardaway, Brunson, #20, 1st 2025, 1st 2027
DAL: Beal

KP, Maxi
Harrell, MKG
FS, Jackson
Beal, Curry
Doncic, Wright

13 Feb 2020 12:39:49
Dallas doesn’t have the assets to get Beal and Powell has not value.

13 Feb 2020 13:45:06
Let`s see ;)

13 Feb 2020 14:41:55
It’s not even a situation where you have to wait and see. It’s pretty clear. Better offers will be out there and Powell likely won’t play until mid way through next season.

13 Feb 2020 20:15:11
Wait and see what happens.

13 Feb 2020 20:48:08
You said that before the deadline and the Mavs added WCS and MKG.

12 Feb 2020 15:26:38
Mark Jackson GM
Jeff Van Gundy


Barrett Randle 2021 & 2023 DAL & NY 1st unprotected except dal 2023
for
Embiid

Nets get SmithJr Ntilikina Suns 1st Clippers 1st 2 Hornets 2nd
Suns get Knox Wiseman-2nd Brazdeikas rights to Wooten
Knicks get Dinwiddie Oubre Bridges Lecque

Leon Rose Team

Dinwiddie/Lecque/I.Thomas
Oubre/Bullock/JrSmith
Marcus/Bridges/Casspi
Markieff/Portis/Melo
Embiid/Robinson/T.Chandler

12 Feb 2020 09:31:23
2020 offseason

76ers - Knicks

76ers gets:
Randle
Ntilikina
Smith Jr.
Knox
Robinson
2020 1st (Clippers)
2023 1st (Mavs)

Knicks gets:
Embiid

12 Feb 2020 12:07:17
nit getting embild without giving their own pick in 2020.

12 Feb 2020 12:10:32
That’s awful for Philly. Giving up a lot of stuff doesn’t mean that you’re giving up much value.

12 Feb 2020 13:18:20
- Robinson
- Randle
- 4x1st
- (2020 and 2022 of NYK 2021 and 2023 Mavs after sending Ntilikina to Mavs to get the 2023 unprotected : )

@76ers Robinson and Randle could take Embiids minutes and they could go for other great rookies

NYK could build around Barrett and Embiid ad hope to sign some free agents next time ::) )

12 Feb 2020 13:19:14
Embiid and NYK could fit - the greates player ever in the creates hoop city ever . it is all about believe .

10 Feb 2020 17:57:54
Beside booker Lecque for Randle Barrett Ntilikina and
Wiseman/Edwards/Ball/Toppins

Dinwiddie Musa for SMithjr Knox
Clippers 1st NY 2022 & 2024 1st

Bulls get Payton Ellington Gibson (buyout all 3 for 3mil)
2 Dallas 1st
for
Porter Young

20-21 roster
Dinwiddie/Lecque/Napier
Booker/Bullock/Musa
Porter/Young/Brazdeikas
Marcus/Portis/Wooten
Robinson/Markieff/Richards-2nd

Porter Bullock Portis come off the books

Dinwiddie/Lecque
Booker/Musa
Marcus/Brazdeikas
Giannis/Young
Markieff/Robinson

08 Feb 2020 09:55:35
The Knicks rebuilding this summer

1) Knicks-Phoenix

Knicks: Booker
Phoenix: Barrett+ randle+1rnd pick Knicks 2020+ 1rnd pick Clippers 2020+ 1rnd pick Dallas 2021

2)Knicks-Bulls
Knicks: Markannen+Felicio
Bulls: Harkless+ 1rnd pick Dallas 2023

3)NY-GS
NY: Wiggins
GS:Knox+Gibson+Payton+Ellington+ 1rnd pick NY 2022 (top 8 protected)


Knicks
C:Robinson/Felicio
PF:Markannen/Portis
SF:Wiggins/Bullock
SG:Booker/Trier
PG: Ntilikina/Smith

08 Feb 2020 11:55:04
No one is bailing the Warrriors out on Wiggins,
They’re stuck.

08 Feb 2020 13:23:19
Wiggins is @GSW.

08 Feb 2020 14:36:14
Isn't this why the Knicks are constantly spinning their wheels and not getting better, trying to rebuild overnight instead of having the patience to do it right?
Build the culture, then build the team. don't take shortcuts.

08 Feb 2020 23:57:49
Over paying for booker. Harkless is a free agent. Lmao at wiggens idea. this is what happens when non knick fan trolls with how to fix the knicks.

09 Feb 2020 16:58:27
This isn't a shortcut, the oldest player is 25 years.
They trade assets for young players

Ntilikina and Robinson are a strong defensive core and Markannen, Wiggins and Booker provide the shooting to make that a good team.

08 Feb 2020 06:16:03
Post NBA trade deadline..

The bottom 4 are prepating for next season

Hawks and Cavs securing Centers for next season

Twolves pairing Towns and Russell

Warriors having a H.Barnes type of player, and using draft pick for a starting Center or a reliable 6th man

Clippers and Heat are making changes in preparation for playoffs..

04 Feb 2020 02:02:11
LAC receive:
Marc Gasol
Chris Boucher
Matt Thomas

Clippers receive a Center who can make life hard for guys like Davis, Jokic or potentially even Giannis. Boucher can fit the Jamychal Green mold in the summer, and Thomas is a sharpshooting wild card.

TOR receive:
Ivica Zubac
Moe Harkless
Rodney McGruder
LAC 2020 First

Raptors find a center who fits in the time-line with Siakam and avoid getting nothing for Gasol. Hark less gives depth at SF, as RHJ can absorb more minutes at the 4. McGruder is more of solid and bouncy Backup-SG than Thomas

There are many variations like including Jerome Robinson, Terrence Mann or even Kabengele, the Raptors are in no rush but Gasol seems expendable there, Clippers have to go Allin

04 Feb 2020 12:44:24
If the Raptors were sitting in the 6th seed or worse then Gasol would be expendable. Only way he gets traded this week is if the medical staff think his hamstring is going to keep him out for a long time. I think there's a better chance of Gasol signing a 1 yr in the summer with Toronto than the Raptors trading him while they get ready to defend the LarryOB.

02 Feb 2020 20:59:57
Saw this one on Fanside and thought it worked.

Kings trade Bodganovich and Holmes

Clippers trade Shamet, Robinson, Zubac and 2020 first rounder.

03 Feb 2020 07:12:08
Clippers might say no. Shamet can be as good as Bogdan.

03 Feb 2020 12:49:44
Knickjoker, shooting, yea. Playmaking, no.

31 Jan 2020 22:11:30
Knicks will look hard to trade Morris and Randle this weekend

Clippers get Morris Dotson
Knicks get Harkless J.Green Clippers 1st

Suns get Randle Trier
Knicks get Johnson Kaminsky Suns 1st top 10 protected

super tank lineup
Ntlikina/Johnson/Payton
Smithjr/Bullock/Ellington
Barrett/Harkless/Brazdeikas
Knox/Green/Wooten
Robinson/Portis/Kaminsky

Knicks sign Harrell 3yr 57mil
Knicks sign Baynes 3yr 45mil
Sign Jeff Teague 2yr 30mil
sign Melo 2yr 12mil

Smithjr
for
CP3

CP3/Teague/Ntilikina
Edwards-1st/JGreen-1st/Cazalon-2nd
Barrett/Nwora-1st/Brazdeikas
Harrell/Knox/Melo
Robinson/Baynes/Richard-2nd

31 Jan 2020 23:39:14
I don’t see harkless getting traded. He can guard the best player letting PG n kawhi rest.

31 Jan 2020 23:53:05
Think melo would want to start.

01 Feb 2020 13:37:11
At 35 melo no longer a starter.

28 Jan 2020 14:17:50
Clippers - Mavs - Thunder

Clippers gets:
Paul
Noel (expiring)
Nader

Mavs gets:
Beverley
Zubac
McGruder
2020 2nd (Thunder)
2021 2nd (Pistons via Clippers)

Thunder gets:
Lee (expiring)
Harkless (expiring)
Marjanovic
2020 1st Clippers (Top 20 protected)
2025 1st Mavs (Lottery protected)


Clippers go all in and take on Paul's future salary. Noel has been great this season and can start for them instead of Zubac. After this they go after players in the buyout market, to get more depth.

Mavs add players that will help their defense and that fits well with Luka and Porzingis. They can still move these contract in 2021 in they want to go after big free agents.

Thunder are in a good spot as the 7th seed in the West and will make the playoffs. This move make them go in to full rebuild mode and save money. CP3 and Noel will be missed, but for a small market team money matters.

28 Jan 2020 14:52:48
Mavs 2023 1st is protected into 2025, so the 2025 can't be traded.

28 Jan 2020 15:26:36
Take the picks out. There getting expiring contracts for paul so no picks needed.

28 Jan 2020 15:35:48
Dallas can trade their 2025 1st. Learn the rules.

28 Jan 2020 16:19:06
I love okc fans, they loose 1 game and they want to break the team up. They win a fews games in row and they want to be buyers in trading market.

Make your mind up because your not getting picks for cp3 unless your getting it from the desperate Knicks.

Ellington Payton Gibson Smithjr Trier 2 dallas 1st
for
cp3 Diallo Burton

Schroder/ Payton/ Smithjr
SGA/ Ferguson/ Ellington
Roberson/ Nadar/ Roby
Gallo/ Bazley/ Muscala
Adams/ Noel/ Gibson

CP3/ Ntilikina/ Allen
Barrett/ Diallo/ Dotson
Morris/ Bullock/ Burton
Randle/ Knox/ Brazdeikas
Portis/ Robinson/ Wooten.

28 Jan 2020 16:25:29
The rule is 2 years after the pick conveys, so the pick is actually a 2025-2027 pick.

28 Jan 2020 16:57:18
Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/ 31/ 2019]

So explain to me how Dallas can trade their 2025 1st when it may already be promised to NY.

Not saying you're wrong. just please explain to me how this would work if the protections hold through 23 and 24.

28 Jan 2020 20:31:04
Salaried don't work. Clips taking on too much.

28 Jan 2020 21:15:37
won't get thru espn trade machine, but all 3 teams have trade exceptions around 10M. I guess this is why they pay guys huge money to know how to structure these kind of deals to work … i'm guessing there's some way with the trade exceptions to make this work.

29 Jan 2020 01:22:12
No thank you Shizzee, I like the team we have as constructed. I don’t want to see those crappy players on the Thunder. Okc would just look like the horrible teams the Knicks have been putting together for the past 10 years, even if you threw in those 2 1sts.
Presti would have jumped on it at the beginning of the season, but now he’s seen what kind of coach and mentor CP3 has been to our young/rebuilding team. He has become way more valuable to us than that offer. That team would immediately drop out of the playoff picture, this year, and the several more years after that. Plus, for the 1st time in a long time, the Thunder will & can afford to pay CP’s salary. They will drop over 32 million in salary next year & still have CP on the team. We’ll keep what we have and the Knicks can watch our playoff games from their homes.

Magsnusam - No, No, No
Okc will immediately fall out of the playoff picture if they get rid of CP3 & Noel & they shouldn’t be excited to take on those busted up old players to help give the clippers one of the strongest starting 5 and even more likely to become the NBA champions. Okc doesn’t need more 1sts. CP3 will be an All-Star again this year and his experience on & offf the court, moves this young Okc team forward by years. They are not trading key players on this team, for other teams crap players that they don’t even want, no matter how many picks that are tossed in with them. teams that are asking for picks for their own good players are usually in full rebuild mode, which is exactly what we all thought Okc was in & why they were asking for young players & picks prior to the seasons start.

Okc wants CP3 & CP3 is not asking out. This has become CP3 & SGA’s team. He’s worth every penny to Okc, they can afford to keep him, plus still have cap room to sign all those players with the picks they already have.

29 Jan 2020 13:45:15
Okc23 we all know Knicks are horrible. But OKC is not winning anything with this roster. Ehether your horrible or middle of the pack team, does it really make difference? Enjoy your 1st round exit. You know CP3 will be injuried by than.

29 Jan 2020 22:04:57
IM with you on this one they aren’t gunna give Paul up for that and I’d rather keep him as well

30 Jan 2020 02:39:52
Shizzee, I don’t get your logic, but that’s Ok with me.

Your right that Okc isn’t winning a championship with this roster & may take a 1st round PLAYOFF exit. But if you follow that logic then does that mean Utah, Denver, Dallas or Houston should start trading away their All-Star players to other teams just because they’re not going to win a championship either? And 1 or 2 of those teams will be getting bounced out of the 1st round also, because mathematically, that will happen.

The answer is basically Hell No.
If you got a team with a winning record that’s going to make the playoffs, then you’re putting butts in the seats & the owner is making $$$.
The players want to compete and win. No NBA player can stand the feeling of tanking. They feed off the energy of the fans and put out a competitive product on the court for them to get excited about.

None of those teams (Utah, Denver, Dallas, Houston) nor the Thunder, are going to trade away one of their best players for the Knicks crap leftovers.
I assume that’s what you were asking about having a “horrible team or middle of the pack, does it really make a difference?”

The difference is that the Knicks will probably get ANOTHER good draft pick(as if that has helped them yet), but all of their fans(and probably the players) have already given up on their season. There’s nothing for them to be excited about until the draft comes around, again.

The rest of those middle of the pack playoff teams that aren't going to win a championship, their fans are having fun watching their teams on TV and going to the games. It’s the best part of having a team that hasn’t already written itself off for another losing season.

FYI, if CP3 is injured by the playoffs, then that team on the court will be better prepared and better coached because of the experience CP3 will provide them from the bench than that team would be if he was on another team altogether.

27 Jan 2020 14:10:08
Couple of ideas for Covington to the Clippers.

trade 1:

Clippers get Covinton
Hornets get Wiggins, Shamet, Dieng, and Clippers 1st round pick
Timberwolves get MKG, Harkless, Biyombo, and Williams

trade 2:

Clippers get Covington
Cavaliers get Wiggins, Shamet, and Clippers 2020 1st round pick
Timberwolves get Harkless, Knight, and Henson

Basically Timberwolves use assets they get for Covington to move Wiggins. Clippers get Covington to improve the team. The Hornets or Cavs get a good young player and 1st round pick for taking Wiggins. And Timberwolves build around Towns with a fresh cap situation.

27 Jan 2020 15:36:53
Also, keep in mind that Covington is extremely valuable to MIN. Offensively, he is a decent and willing three point shooter - even at 36%, he is one of the best on the team. He is needed for the system to work, and Rosas to evaluate his talent going forward.

Defensively, Covington is critical. We saw last month that the system works. When Towns was out, and Dieng was replacing him, the Wolves were 3rd in DRtg, and Covington was #1 inDRtg, even as a PF. The key to MIN Improving is Towns, and the key to Towns is defense, the reason MIN is so bad is that Towns doesn’t stay in system, and wants to pursue, leaving the team trying to cover for him, for Towns to improve, he needs a partner who he trusts and who makes good decisions. Covington is his best friend on the team, and I think if he was traded, KAT would never adopt Vanterpool’s defensive system,

27 Jan 2020 15:57:56
nice trades if you're a Clippers fan. I don't think the Wolves management has this kind of love for Steve Ballmer though. maybe there's a side deal for a couple of billion on the QT. no way Minnesota does this deal.

27 Jan 2020 17:21:24
I would prefer to see what the Wolves can do with Wiggins, once they get the right personnel to run their eventual systems.

Offensively, we saw at the beginning of the season how good Wiggins can be in a 5-out, he can easily beat his man, and then there is no opposition for him to get to the rim, to score or dish. However when opponents saw how bad MIN shoots (3rd in 3PA, last in 3P%), they just clogged the middle. With the right personnel next year that can shoot three’s, Wiggins can be better.

Defensively, Wiggins has taken a big step this year. His personal defensive coach is Vanterpool, and we all know how he took Lillard from a horrible defender to an OK one.

27 Jan 2020 16:58:22
I think the Cavs would do that in a heart beat.

27 Jan 2020 19:40:58
i don't why, but I think Covington is won best valued players based on talent as 2 way player 3-d and his contract. I value him bc of that over pillsbury dough boy at center. wow Embiid choked him out again. lmao.

21 Jan 2020 21:28:14
Spurs - Harrell and Harkless(exp)

Clippers - Carroll, Belineli, Peoltl, and Johnson

Bev/Williams
Shamet/Belineli/Johnson
PG/Carroll
Kawhi/Green/Patterson
Zubac/Peoltl

Murray/White/Mills
Forbes/Walker
Derozan/Harkless
Gay/Lyles/Samanic
Aldridge/Harrell

22 Jan 2020 13:53:32
disaster for the clippers.

21 Jan 2020 20:41:26
Bulls get Harkless, Mcgruder, 2nd from clippers

Wizards get Harrell and Jerome Robinson

Clippers get ish Smith, Thaddeus Young, Davis bertans, and shaq Harrison.

21 Jan 2020 21:04:23
Would rather have the Clips players than what the Clips receive.

22 Jan 2020 13:58:03
Clippers taking on extra 10M this year, 26M next and 13 the year after to make their team worse. no reason at all for LA to do this.

20 Jan 2020 06:07:04
PHX-BKN-LAC

PHX: Dinwiddie, Harris, Zubac
Gets younger and a budding allstar in Dinwiddie

BKN: Harkless, Harrell
Gets a much needed post scorer and a versatile wing.

LAC: Rubio, Baynes, Saric
Gets a much needed ball handler/another play maker, A big presence in the middle and a stretch 4.

Thoughts?

20 Jan 2020 13:00:29
Terrible for the Clippers.

20 Jan 2020 20:15:28
Clippers say no.

18 Jan 2020 18:59:30
DAL/ LAC/ PHI

Dal: Rodney McGruder, Landry Shamet

Phi: Montrez Harrell, Mo Harkless, Terrence Mann, Justin Jackson, Ivica Zubac, GSW 2nd 2020, LAC 1st 2020, 2nd LAC 2020

Lac: Joel Embiid.

18 Jan 2020 21:09:42
So garbage for Embiid.

18 Jan 2020 21:55:02
If y send Harrell to Mavs you get an ok -- but I am not sure if y would get Embiid : )

19 Jan 2020 13:07:15
LMAO. Stop, fanboy.

17 Jan 2020 23:07:33
Indiana trades Turner

Sac trades Bogdanovich+Dedmond+2020 first (lottery protected)

Or

Philly trades Scott+ZSmith+2020 First (OKC)

Sac trades Bogdanovich

Or

OKC trades Roberson+2020 first (21-30 protected, 2021 unprotected if not conveyed)

Sac trades Bogdanovich+2 2020 seconds.

Or

Milwaukee trades Ilyvasonva+2020 first (Indy)

Sac trades Bogdanovich (and then Buyout/ waive Ilyvanova to resign with Milwaukee? )

Or

Clippers trade McGruder+JRobinson+2020 first

Sac trades Bogdanovich.

14 Jan 2020 12:12:47
Pacers / Wizards / Thunder

Pacers gets

Steve Adams
2021 Heat 1st Round Pick
(unprotected)
2022 Clippers 1st Round Pick
(unprotected)

Wizards gets

Miles Turner from Pacers

Thunder Gets

Ian Mahinmi from Wizards
Domantas Sabonis from Pacers

14 Jan 2020 13:23:28
Why would the Pacers do this?

14 Jan 2020 17:09:05
Steven Adams and two late 1st round picks = value for Turner and Sabonis? Lol, I want what you're smoking.

15 Jan 2020 01:33:08
I’m beginning to think that “OKCFAN” & “Churchpugh” are either the same person or they hangout on the same street corner coming up with these gibberish trades.

09 Jan 2020 05:26:28
Orlando - Detroit - LA Clippers

Orlando : Rose + Drummond

Detroit: Shamet + Zubac + Harkless + 1st rd pick Clippers + 2nd round pick Orlando + McGruder + Aminu

LA Clippers : Vucevic

09 Jan 2020 08:17:49
Why are the clippers in this trade?

 
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