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22 Nov 2017 18:15:19

SAS get: Julius Randle and Jordan Clarkson

pg. Clarkson
sg. Green
sf. Gay (Leonard)
pf. Alrdidge
c. Gasol

LAL get: Tony Parker (exp) and 2018 1st DP SAS

pg. Ball
sg. KCP
sf. Ingram
pf. Kuzma
c. Lopez

22 Nov 2017 15:37:46
The Cavs get Bazemore and Dedmond

The Hawks get Deng, Shumpert, Zizic, Osman, Zubac, the Lakers 2020 1st top 5 protected, the Cavs 2021 first top 10 protected and a second from both

The Lakers get Frye(exp) and Bellineli (exp)

22 Nov 2017 16:55:45
None of those players help the Hawks, and the draft choices are too far down the road to be valuable. Looks like the Cavs dump unwanted bodies and the Lakers dump Deng.

22 Nov 2017 17:53:43
Shumps expiring will have some value next year, Osman, Zizic and Zubac are all decent prospects to throw into their rebuilding efforts, the Hawks will be rebuilding for atleast the next 4 years so the picks will be fine and having extra picks coming out of a rebuild have worked pretty well for teams like the Cavs, Boston, and Philly. This would give them 7 firsts in the next 4 drafts. They end up with 3 good rebuilding assets 2 decent ones and 2 low end ones for players that don't look to be in their long term plans and use of their capspace, which is going to be hard to use for the next 3 years any way and get out from under their worst contract to boot.

23 Nov 2017 03:52:50
good additions for the cavs, two guys that can really help their D.

22 Nov 2017 14:51:28
Chicago gets Deng, Shumpert (uses trade exception), Randle, Zizic, Osman, the Cavs 2021 first top 10 protected

The Cavs get R. Lopez and Green

The Spurs get Clarkson and a Cavs 2nd

The Lakers get Pondexter (exp) and Frye (exp)

22 Nov 2017 15:11:48
I can't see the Bulls doing this. They would want some extra draft picks.

22 Nov 2017 08:05:30
Bulls - Knicks - Lakers

Bulls gets:
2019 1st Knicks (1-5 and 20-30 protected)
2020 1st Lakers (Top 5 protected)
2018 2nd back (via Knicks)
2018 2nd Denver (via Lakers)
2019 2nd back (via Lakers)

Knicks gets:

Lakers gets:

Fair value?

22 Nov 2017 14:29:44
I don't think one first (the seconds do little to sweeten the deal as they can be had fairly cheap) gets rid of either Noah or Deng for expiring contracts or cap space alone. When you factor in that the Bulls give up Lopez and Mirotic, who both have positive value imo, this is really bad for the Bulls.

21 Nov 2017 20:28:28
Bulls trades:
Deng, Zubac and 2019 CHI return 2019 second round pick + for Mirotic (exp) Zipser
Leuer, Marjanovic and DET 2018 1st round pick for R. Lopez, Q. Pondexter (exp)

21 Nov 2017 21:05:06
That's not even close to enough to get rid of Deng and I don't see Detroit needing a back up center on Lopez' level if it costs a first.

22 Nov 2017 14:29:36
DET get's rid of 17 million bad contracts (Leuer s contract is 3 years long) and get a good back up who has expiring contract next year (so the 1st round pick (20-30) is worth it) .

17 Nov 2017 22:09:02
January 15 Trade

Bulls - Lakers

Bulls gets:
2 2nd round draft picks

Lakers get:

17 Nov 2017 23:49:31
If the bulls want to keep Randle they have to pay him 15 million or more. So they pay 33 million for him and deng what's about a third of the cap. That will Never happen. Additionally the have Markanen at the 4 what makes Randle obsolete.

18 Nov 2017 00:17:14
Pretty bad for the Bulls. I don't think they're getting enough for Deng and they give up Mirotic who has some value.

17 Nov 2017 20:11:13
Lakers get - Joesph and a protected pick from Ind

Heat get - Randle

Pacers get - Winslow

Ball - Joesph
KCP - Clarkson
Ingram - Brewer
Kuzma - Nance
Lopez - Bogut

Dragic - Johnson
Waiters - Ellington
Johnson - Richardson
Randle - Olynk
Whiteside - Bam

Collison - Young
Oladipo - Stephenson
Winslow - Bogdanovic
Thad - Sabonis
Turner - Jefferson

18 Nov 2017 16:52:05
I like this for Indy.
But why would Miami do this.

15 Nov 2017 23:52:37
So Bleacher Report drops this article today about how the Lakers are going to land multiple superstars in free agency by extending Deng. I feel like they could definitely make that happen. But what if they aimed higher?

OKC is off to a rough start. They also have reported that upper management won't overdo it next summer in terms of going into the luxury tax. If George is to opt out and earn more (which he will), the Thunder can't afford him. If we hit December and OKC still isn't putting things together, why not capitalize on moving George to a team that he's rumored for?

Lakers get Paul George, Kyle Singler, Zach Collins
***Lakers get their guy. They've been after him and he's been after them. They preserve all expiring deals and take on minimal contracts with him.

Blazers get Jordan Clarkson, Alex Abrines, Julius Randle, OKC 2nd, 2 Lakers 1sts
***In this deal, Blazers move CJ. He's a great talent but doesn't necessarily fit next to Lillard. Getting Clarkson isn't a bad get, but getting 3 picks is great. Abrines can spread the foor, and Randle could fit well there.

Thunder get CJ McCollum, Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr.
***Thunder don't get any picks, but they add a great scorer in CJ. They slide Roberson back over to the 3. Ingram can start at the 3 once he develops a little more. Nance is a nice prospect.

Lakers can still extend and stretch Deng. They still have big expiring contracts. They can actually build around their free agents. More than that, though, they can already have George there to use in talks with free agents next summer.

Thoughts? How far off am I?

16 Nov 2017 05:11:13
i like the idea, but i don’t see cj working out that much better next to russ than dame.
but its a pretty good salvage for pg if they are letting him walk, honestly might be too much getting him and ingram. maybe move around some of the assets between la and por.
and i read the br article, streching deng is still a second option to trading him, and if they are giving up ingram, i would think deng have to be would be included with him.

16 Nov 2017 15:42:10
I actually like this idea for everyone involved. As OKC, you're pretty much turning Oladipo and Sabonis into those three. Not bad at all. As far as McCollum's fit next to Westbrook, I think it would be fine. The big issue with the Blazers is the rest of the team's fit. With the Thunder, you'd have Roberson, Ingram, Nance, Melo, Adams, Grant, Patterson. that's a much more well rounded roster. With the Blazers, the big issue is they need a SF for the starting lineup and need to bring Turner off the bench as a facilitator with shooters.

Clarkson and Randle would fit in nicely with the rest of the roster in Portland, and those picks will come in very handy.

16 Nov 2017 16:23:12
That is an absolutely horrible move for Portland. Really really horrible. Those two picks are late firsts if George and Lebron go to LA. None of the players are much of anything. And Portland gives up a recent lottery pick?

Portland won’t give up McCollum without getting an elite asset back. All of that is average at best.

Also, okc is getting way too much back for George. He’s not worth McCollum alone. Look at the return Indy got for him a couple months ago. No one is giving that kind of talent for an expiring contract.

15 Nov 2017 00:25:01
Release Beasley

December trade 15th
Bucks get Noah Clarkson
Lakers get Teletovic Kuzminkas Baker Session
Knicks get Deng Dellavedova

Bucks get better backup center and PG.this allows Giannis Parker Wilson
To stay PF. Maker Henson Noah at center. Middleton Snell

Lakers cut 1 yr from deng salary. Get young back up PG.

Knicks take on more future salary to move Noah contract. Sign Beasley

15 Nov 2017 03:31:49
i really don't think mil is going to put themself in luxury tax for a few years for this weak deal.

15 Nov 2017 13:25:53
Kuz is gone already shizzee.

14 Nov 2017 22:52:04
Jazz - Lakers

Jazz gets:
2020 1st rd pick (top 3 protected)
2018 2nd rd pick (Nuggets)
2019 2nd rd pick (Bulls)

Lakers gets:

13 Nov 2017 19:25:21
Mavs/ Lakers

Mavs get Deng, Randle, Zubac, Hart, 2020 Lakers 1st rounder (top 5 protected) and Nuggets 2018 2nd rounder

Lakers get McRoberts, Harris and Mejri.

13 Nov 2017 15:33:02
Lakers - Nets

Lakers gets:

Nets gets:
2020 1st from Lakers (Top 3 Protected)
2018 2nd from Denver (via Lakers)
2019 2nd from Chicago (via Lakers)

Lakers gets cap space while Brooklyn take on a bad contract for future picks.

13 Nov 2017 19:01:34
Not enough for Brooklyn to take on Deng and
Give up players that have some value.

14 Nov 2017 14:43:04
lakers send deng attached with a top 3 protected pick along with julius randle who is no longer part of their future for Booker, Acy, Kilpatrick.

12 Nov 2017 02:13:32
can the laker take over chigago Dwyane Wade salary of 15.5 mil and nikola mirotic 12.5 mil salary =28 mil
maybe a 2nd rd

and trade it to the lakers for luol deng 17.2 mil,Randle 4.1 mil and brewer 7.5 = 28.8 mil it that fare

12 Nov 2017 11:50:53
That's an intresting question.
It's a bad trade for Chicago, they need Randle+ a pick and maybe clarckson for doing this

But can a team trade salary for players?

12 Nov 2017 18:21:14
Add a first round pick 2018 and you might have a deal as Chicago doesn't take a ton of money (Brewer's and Randle's contracts are exp) and they are at rebuilding so a maybe lottery pick can be useful.

-Just imagine if the Lakers convince Cousins&George (30m each) +LBJ (35m) to sign. (if they make this trade they have the cap to do it)

Ball/ Ennis/ (VetMin)
George/ Clarkson/ Hart
LBJ/ Ingram or Kuzma/ (VetMin)
Kuzma or Ingram/ Nance Jr/ 2nd round
Cousins/ Zubac/ Bryant

-All locked up for at least 2 years
(Only Larry Nance is not but his kinda expendable)

13 Nov 2017 13:36:11
Bad for Chicago. Randle is a mediocre prospect and is on an expiring deal. The Bulls would have to take on Deng's ridiculous contract and pay Randle at the end of the season. That would rap up way to much cash just to have Randle. Plus, you don't get an exception after a buyout, so they can't trade Wade's dead salary.

11 Nov 2017 00:22:56
Lakers get: F Nikola Mirotic (expiring)
Bulls get: C Jahlil Okafor (rookie deal), G Jerryd Bayless (two years, $18M remaining)
76ers get: G Josh Hart (rookie deal), F Luol Deng (three years, $54M remaining), future protected 1st (Lakers)

Lakers open up 2018 cap space for a small price. The Bulls move Mirotic, who won't play a game for them, while getting Chicago native Jahlil Okafor. 76ers move Okafor, who must be moved, for a prospect in Hart, while taking on Deng's deal in exchange for a pick and dumping Bayless lessens the blow of Deng.

11 Nov 2017 04:24:02
The 76ers are past the point of taking on bad contracts. They're ready to spend on free agents that can help and that's not enough to get rid of Deng anyway.

11 Nov 2017 06:51:33
Think Deng will help the sixers especially with leadership. But a prospect plus a future pick from a already lottery team is worth it. Just top seven protected.

11 Nov 2017 09:15:11
Sixers say no to this deal instantly. Not a chance they take back Deng and his 3 yr/ 54million dollar anchor.

11 Nov 2017 19:40:43
Sixers have 3 guards currently out. (Stauskas, Bayless, and Fultz) It would be wise to trade for a guard. Milwaukee has 1-2 they would trade as they now have more than they need, with the addition of Bledsoe. Milwaukee can trade Vaughn or Dellavedova plus a 2nd rd pick to the Sixers for Okafor. The Bucks need a Center, Philly needs a Guard. Would work for both teams.

12 Nov 2017 10:24:00
But they still have enough guards (McConnell, Simmons, Redick, TLC, Korkmaz) . There's no need for a trade.

08 Nov 2017 15:54:21
The Lakers get Booker (exp) and Monroe (exp)

The Suns get Deng, Clarkson, Zubac and the Lakers 2020 first top 3 protected

The Pelicans get Dudley

The Nets get Asik, the Pelicans 2018 pick top 10 protected and a Lakers 2nd.

08 Nov 2017 16:24:09
Trevor Booker* just to clarify.

07 Nov 2017 12:06:19
Lakers - Knicks

Lakers gets:

Knicks gets:
2020 1st rd pick (lottery protected)
2018 2nd rd pick (Nuggets)

07 Nov 2017 13:52:12
I actually really likr this deng would bring solid defense and good three point shooting.

07 Nov 2017 13:52:31
A pick 3 years from now (range 15-25) won't be enough for the 50 million of Dengs deal.

07 Nov 2017 10:51:55
Lakers - Mavericks

Lakers gets:

2018 2nd round pick (Nuggets)
2019 2nd round pick (Chicago)

07 Nov 2017 12:28:21
It'll take more than that to move Deng's contract.

07 Nov 2017 01:10:46
Mavs Lakers

Mathews and McRoberts

Deng, Zubac, Randle

Lakers move one of the worst value contracts and Dallas gets more young talent

07 Nov 2017 08:39:17
I like this trade for Dallas.

But they should involve the Bucks

Bucks: Matthews
LA: Monroe.

07 Nov 2017 12:34:21
I don't think Randle has ever had a ton of value, but with him getting fewer minutes on a below average team and in a contract year, he's no where near enough to get rid of Deng. By next year, he and Deng will be taking up atleast 30 million in cap room. Deng is barely a rotation player this year. So the question is, will gms be willing to pay 30 million for 2 years just to have Randle. Especially considering, if everything goes right for the Lakers, he'll be a free agent.

06 Nov 2017 11:21:26
Cavs Lakers

Lebron for Clarkson, Deng, Ingram, Randle and 1st Rd DP.

Lakers have:
Ball, Ennis
KCP, Blue
Lebron, Nance, Brewer
Lopez, Bogut

Not to mention the cap space to sign 2 max contracts with Lebron already on the roster: Boogie and PG13?????

Cavs can go into rebuild mode immediately. Waive Deng and find new homes for anyone else who's name isn't Love, Korver, Thompson or Thomas That Lakers pick would be 14-19, BK would be 1-5. I like that if I'm the Cavs.

06 Nov 2017 12:30:10
You do realise it’s november and not April 1st?

06 Nov 2017 12:47:36
Only Ingram and the 1st would be of any interest in this deal for the Cavs, and even at the deadline and the Cavs writing the season off, this is not enough to get it done.

06 Nov 2017 12:53:08
Only if the cavs are sure LBJ would sign with LA after this year. And still LA should give more for dumping Deng's contract.

06 Nov 2017 13:00:11
Multiple problems with this.
1.the numbers don't work. The Cavs are taking on to much salary. Even if they could take on that salary (they can't), they aren't going to put themselves deeper in the luxury with a Lebron trade.

2. Lebron would veto the trade. He has a clear path to the finals right now in Cleveland. Why would he go to a Lakers team where he would have no help this year?

3. For as apathetic as the Cavs have looked and it's been pathetic at times, they've beat the 3 best teams in the East and 2 of those are on the road. They're going to be fine, if they want to be.

4. Why would the Lakers do this? They'll need atleast Ball and Ingram to go with a big 3 just to have an outside shot at a team like the Warriors. If they lose either of those two, the team has no upside to convince players to come.

06 Nov 2017 17:32:08
1. According to trade machine, the numbers work. 5 million difference. If need be, it could be fine tuned.

2. Clear path to the finals, true, but the Warriors are going to win it. Hands down.

3. They’ll be fine. Again, you are right. But isn’t that just settling when you have an opportunity to set your franchise up for the future? Going to the finals is an incredible feat but we all know the outcome. For Lebron’s reason to go is to have a year playing the same system GS runs, grow familiar to Ball and Kuzma’s playing styles, and the next year, bring in some more talent. PG13 and Boogie. Give those legs some rest Lebron. If the Lakers do make the playoffs, not getting out of the first round with Lebron. Take early exit to get some rest mentally and physically and go hard after it 18-19.

4. Kuzma and Nance has more upside than Ingram. Not saying Ingram can’t be a stud, that would be the prize to pay to get a player like Lebron. But Kuzma and Nance has more upside playing alongside Bron and Ball. Sign Lopez at a reasonable price over the offseason, get two max contract players in, 2 shooters and that team has the best chance to beat GS. Name a team better.

Also Cleveland can grow past the Lebron era. If Lebron is there, you think IT re-signing? If Lebron wasn’t there, u think Dwade would be there? I say that to say, you get away from the players past there prime riding the coattails to the finals and add youth and talent to your franchise. And winning with that formula only brings more talent and youth. Reference GS. Moved past Ellis and Jackson and went for youth. Youth grew, won a ship and added KD. Put thought into it.

06 Nov 2017 18:49:58
1. Yeah, I was thinking Lebron was a little closer to thirty million and Deng and Clarkson made a little more, but that's still putting 20ish million more on the books at minimum. Gilbert might be willing to go into the red for a winner, but he's not gooing to do it in a rebuild and he's not going to pay luxury next year without Lebron and with contracts that would still be on the books, he would have to.

2. That's assuming the Warriors come in healthy or/ and the Cavs make no moves. The chances that the Cavs get back to the finals anytime soon post lebron aren't great. They had never done it before. Even if a rebuild goes well, the Cavs will have a hard time being this good again.

3. Lebron is 33. He knows his window is closing. He doesn't have the luxury of saying, I can rest up and come back next year. Plus, there is no guarantee that anyone else comes. How many times have we seen Lakers free agent speculation not amount to anything. The Knicks and Lakers are the biggest market teams and the media knows speculation on either team equals clicks.

4. You're delusional if you think Nance or Kuzma have more potential than Ingram and even if they can sign 3 max guys, the money from those deals will eat up 90 percent of the soft cap. The Lakers will need every rookie contract they have to fill out the roster with NBA level players.

Just because everything went right for GS doesn't really mean much. That team wasn't a finals team at the time and that's why they made moves to get younger. This is a completely different scenario and the Warriors ended up with the perfect storm. there is as much luck involved in drafting a winner as planned team building.

07 Nov 2017 01:16:04
you understand that with Brook Lopez contract off the books in the off season, plus the cap increase that is coming in the off season, the lakers can just go ahead and sign lebron. They don't need to trade for him now or ever actually.

05 Nov 2017 10:47:32
Lakers/ Pelicans

Lakers get Asik and Ajinca.

Pelicans get Deng and Zubac.

Lakers get 2 shorter contracts than Deng's and clear around 5 million of the books for free agency. They could even stretch waive Asik or medically waive him since he was diagnosed with Chron's disease.

Pelicans get much needed wing depth and a young prospect in Zubac to be DMC' backup.

05 Nov 2017 19:03:48
Deng doesn't provide wing depth - he's done.

05 Nov 2017 20:44:48
He is done why exactly? Was it his fault that Lakers offered him all that money 14 months ago? Lakers made him look like one of the worst players in the league and now they don't even play him because they don't want him. If I was at his place I would happily sit on the Lakers bench and would be screwing their free agency plans until my contract would be done.

And one more thing, if not for his contract he would probably be playing for a contender now for veterans minimum, because he can still ball and provide solid depth and veteran leadership.

06 Nov 2017 01:26:23
He is a way better version of Richard Jefferson and Jefferson was playing decent last year for the Cavs.

06 Nov 2017 15:25:09
It's a battle of bad contracts. If i am the Pels i don't do deal.

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