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06 Jul 2017 14:24:54
Celtics future:

Trade:

Smart and future 1st(maybe another pick as well) to the Jazz for Hayward

Have a lineup of

IT
Bradley
Hayward
Crowder
Horford

And have a bench of Brown Taytum Zizic Rozier Jackson(or they could waive him and bring in a veteran backup).

They still have they possibility of having 2 lottery picks and they should use them on the international SG(who will be in high demand) and Ayton.

They need to sign IT to a long term deal.

A lineup of

IT
Donich
Hayward
Horford
Gasol

With guys like Crowder Brown Taytum and Rozier and Zizic coming off the bench with others as well is scary good and is good enough to beat the Cavs and challenge the Warriors in my opinion

CS13

1.) 06 Jul 2017 16:32:46
Crowder will go to Jazz hands down.


2.) 06 Jul 2017 16:47:15
Unless Hayward wants to throw his old team a bone and demands Celtics do a sign and trade to get him this isn't realistic. Celtics could easily get something in return for Smart (a draft pick from another team) instead of giving up him and a 1st virtually for free. They should trade Bradley, Smart or Crowder depending largely on the returns they can get for them but ideally from a financial perspective you move Bradley since he'll be the most expensive to keep next year and is unrestricted FA, Smart would be next since although he is restricted he is still a FA and Crowder they'd ideally keep since he is signed cheaply for next few years but this also makes him attractive to other teams via trade.


 

 

06 Jul 2017 04:47:16
Celtics-Jazz-Grizzlies trade

Boston gets Gasol Hayward

Boston gets their guy in Hayward and the big that they have been looking for

Memphis gets: Smart and a 1st round pick from Boston(2020 or later or a heavily protected pick)

Utah gets: Rozier

This leaves Boston with a lineup of IT Bradley Hayward Horford and Gasol with Brown Taytum Zizic and others coming off the bench.

The Celtics could then also look into signing someone like Norris Cole or Tyler Ennis because they loose two of their backup point guards in this trade so they might want to look into bringing in a cheap replacement.

By the way I am not sure if this trade works money wise but I think if we put money aside this seems like a fair trade.

What do you guys think?

CS13

1.) 06 Jul 2017 05:16:45
The money is off by around 20 million, but money aside, I doubt Utah is interested in a sign in trade for just Rozeir. They have Rubio and a young pg in Exum. I also think that the Grizzlies would want atleast Smart and one of the Celtics better picks if not a little more. There hasn't been much talk of wanting to rebuild or even move Gasol by Memphis. It would probably take a pretty enticing offer to make them think about it.


2.) 06 Jul 2017 10:18:45
If youwant the money to work I think you need to switch smart for Horford and change the pick to Grizzlies own first rounder and the Clippers first rounder.
Boston Line up
IT
Bradley
Hayward
Crowder
Gasol.


3.) 06 Jul 2017 10:44:23
Ya rkenne_16 is right money is way off (they need to move salary just to be able to sign Hayward) and those offers especially the Memphis one isn't too enticing. Unless Celtics dealt Horford for Gasol, Crowder and Bradley would need to be involved as their biggest salaries but even then they are still a little short and would have to wiggle some more.


4.) 06 Jul 2017 14:15:55
I'm still not sure what people are thinking with the whole Gasol thing. I'd love to add him to the team, but his contract makes it impossible unless you're swapping key players. and at that point, why? They're already needing to move a player for next to nothing. What they need to do is find a cheap big and do a two for one. Getting Gasol would be more like a 5 for 1 and at least one of them would be part of the real core.


 

 

28 Jun 2017 05:01:55
Celtics offseason:

Sign Heyward
Sign Hardaway JR
Re-sign Olynyk

Trade Crowder Bradley and 2 first(non-Brooklyn) picks to the Pacers for George
*only if George promises to sign a 3 year extension

Trade Zeller to Kings for future picks

IT/Smart/Rozier
Hardawy Jr./Bird/Allen
George/Brown/Taytum
Heyward/Olynyk/Taytum
Horford/Olynyk/Zizic

This team is one SG away from being the Warriors of the east and next years free agent SG class should be pretty good and they have a deep bench as well. This all depends on if George is willing to sign an extension with the team and if that isn't the case then they stick with Crowder and they don't need to trade Bradley and get to keep their picks and won't need to sign Hardaway.

What do you guys think?

CS13

1.) 28 Jun 2017 05:36:08
Celtics won't have cap space to make all those signings. Hardaway Jr. will likely get upwards of 15 mill and as one of few promising and young players on Hawks they aren't going to let him go in RFA. Celtics should aim for Hayward and if they can't get him Griffin. Then trading for George would be a sensible decision even if they cannot get a guarantee extension since I think its worth the risk as they'll be a very good team and he'd be their best all-around player (IT would still be the face of the team tho kinda like KD and Curry in GS) . If I were Celtics I'd explore moving Horford since he makes a lot of money and they could probably do with a less skilled and more conventional center with all the talent they'd have at the forward slots.

Bradley and Crowder wouldn't be bad pieces for Pacers (although Bradley will be a FA at end of season so some risk of him leaving but he likely wants to get paid and Pacers could do that) but they could be more valuable to other teams as cheap defensive additions to a contender so it may make more sense for Pacers to trade them for younger assets.


2.) 28 Jun 2017 14:15:53
Not sure if Zeller is worth picks, maybe a pick. He'll be part of the George to Boston deal if Bradley isn't included.

Hoping Bradley is not part of the trade, he can be traded for future picks for down the road. The Hayward and George rumors are picking up steam. Pacers want to get it done now while Boston wants to wait. Probably don't have a Hayward commitment yet.

LBJ and Co. must be getting a little nervous by now.


3.) 28 Jun 2017 14:31:38
Like Jaw said, there's no possibility of signing all these guys. I like the idea of Heyward and George, but I'd have them at the 2 and 3. At that point, you need to try for a vet PF or C or two to come in on a cheap contract to fill out the frontcourt with Horford, Yabusele and Zizic. They'll need some serious rebounding if they want to beat the Cavs. but I think that team is built pretty well to run with the Warriors.


 

 

21 Jun 2017 20:45:48
Timberwolves:

I don't think they should bother resigning any of their guys.

Trade:
Cole Aldrege to the Knicks for the 58th pick

Draft:
7th Lauri Markkanen PF

58th V.J Beachem SF

Sign:
Alan Williams PF
Johnathan Simmons SG
Tony Snell SF

Lineup:
Rubio/Jones/Dunn
LaVine/Dunn/Simmons
Wiggins/Snell/Beachem
Markkanen/Bjelica/Hill/Dieng
Towns/Dieng/Hill

I know this doesn't improve them much, but they don't need to improve much. Plus this saves them money and gets them what they need. This I think makes them a true playoff contender barring any injury. I know they are rumored to try to move Rubio but I think they will wait till next offseason and see what Dunn and Jones can do and go from there.

What do you guys think?

CS13

1.) 21 Jun 2017 22:44:23
Why would the Knicks want Cole, and give up an asset to boot?


2.) 21 Jun 2017 23:09:53
Cs13 Knicks don't want that home grown junk.


3.) 22 Jun 2017 01:32:00
Swap him out Jordan Hill then.


 

 

19 Jun 2017 01:11:01
Celtics offseason:

Draft: Jackson or Tatum

Sign Heyward, Noel

Thomas Smart Rozier
Bradley Brown
Crowder Jackson or Tatum Brown
Heyward Jackson or Tatum Brown
Horford Jerebko
Noel Olynyk Zeller

With Young and Demetrious Jackson as reserves.

What do you guys think?

CS13

1.) 19 Jun 2017 07:03:49
Celtics can hardly sign Hayward to the max it'll take, they have zero money left over for Noel who will cost over 20 mill per year (also Mavs likely match any offer for him since he is restricted FA) .


 

 

 

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16 Jul 2017 20:46:04
PHI-SAS trade

SAS gets: Okafor

PHI gets: Green, heavily protected future 1st round pick(or an unprotected 2nd round pick)

Why SAS: they haven't had a good center since Duncan retired and Okafor might be that guy who can step into that role. The Spurs have a great coaching staff that has a better chance of setting him straight and maybe a change might be all he needs. Plus Green is probably now expendable with Gay signing.

Why PHI: Okafor 99% likely to be traded before or during the season because PHI probably won't pick up his option anyways and if they don't he won't want to come back as a bench player. Plus now with Johnson on board he is needed even less. The only weak spot on PHI roster now is at SG so they are probably looking to add some more depth at the position, but there are not many good free agent SG left. They are probably looking to get a good draft pick and draft the forgin SG in the upcoming draft which would all but complete the process.

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19 Jun 2017 15:58:52
The Celtics are obviously planning for the future right now, as well as winning now. They drafted Brown last year knowing that he is probably better off playing the 2 guard and if they spend a lot of money this offseason they probably won't be able to resign Bradley and then draft Jackson or Tatum to replace Crowder once his deal is up because they will be very tight for money especially since they need to make resigning IT a priority, espeaclly now since they are passing on Fultz. In a few years their lineup could be IT Brown Jackson or Tatum and then some PF and maybe Horford but probably not given his age

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18 Jun 2017 06:28:56
If Jackson is still on the board at 3 the Celtics should take him, but if he isn't they need to take Tatum, he would slide right into their open PF slot. The only down side is that he is 6'8(so is Jackson) so you aren't going to get a lot of rebounds from them) but you will get lots of points. They would still need to sign someone who is able to come off the bench and get them boards but I think they either need to go with Tatum or Jackson at number 3, even though I would have preferred them not to trade the pick and take Fultz to pair with Thomas in the backcourt. As long as we don't take Ball I am happy

CS13

1.) 18 Jun 2017 07:41:39
I agree. I'm curious to find out what protections are on the picks they are getting since Fultz would've probably been a better fit.


2.) 18 Jun 2017 14:06:40
i feel like josh jackson is to similar to jaylen brown. they might stunt each others growth and production.


3.) 18 Jun 2017 22:27:06
I agree Josh Jackson and Jaylen Brown are similar style players but I don't see how that will hurt each other. Only way I see prospects hurting each others development is if they are both point guards, centers or ball dominant players which I don't think define these guys. Both Brown and Jackson are athletic freaks with length and versatility to play 2, 3 or 4 position at times. However, I think Celtics will encounter potential development issues with a strong incumbent group already in place and two more top-level prospects likely coming aboard next year.


 

 

18 Jun 2017 06:22:59
I hope this Celtics trade doesn't come back to bite them in the butt. As long as they get Jackson I will be pretty happy, but not as happy as I would be if we got Fultz. The 76ers are going to be pretty good this year and might be a year away from contending. They plan on using Simmons as their stating PG so that means Fultz will be their SG and they have Sarich and Embid at the PF and C respectively, that means that they are only missing a SF and I think they should target Dinillo Galinari. He is a SF that can shot and I think he would be a good fit in Philly. They also will have Covington and Okafor(assuming he isn't part of this trade for the #1 overall pick) as well as Holmes and other good bench players but I think they will need a little more than that. I think they will be a threat again within 3 years if they keep making smart decisions and stay healthy. They could also go after a guy like KCP if they wanted to play Fultz at the PG and keep Simmons at the SF. Either way I think that the 76ers rebuild is almost over and they will be contending again. And as a Celtics fan I just hope this trade doesn't come back to bite us in the butt. As long as we don't get stuck with Ball I will be happy. Hopefully the fact that the Lakers feel that Russell is best at the SG position and they like Ingram at the SF position and Randell at the PF position means that they won't take Jackson but you never know. As long as the Celtics don't get stuck looking like idiots and Jackson gets taken 2nd overall I will be happy.

What do you guys think?

CS13

1.) 18 Jun 2017 07:38:36
I need to see the protections on the picks to properly evaluate the trade but 76ers improved with the trade its just a matter of at what cost. I'd pump the breaks a bit on being a year from contending, we need to see Simmons and Fultz actually play first and see if Simmons and Embiid can stay healthy and play normal minutes. I agree they could use a pure shooter to round out the starting lineup but I wouldn't go after Galo since he has injury concerns and 76ers already have plenty of those. I personally like Reddick or if I were 76ers I'd try and snag Bradley as part of the trade since he'd be the perfect 3 and D guy to add.


2.) 18 Jun 2017 17:23:45
The sixers aren't a year away from contending. Seriously. They are noithing but unproven potential. They were one of the worst teams in the league last year. They will not sign major FAs. Embiid proved only that he really is terribly injury prone and likely will have a short career. And you have 2 extremely high potential rookies that haven't played 1 minute in the NBA. How can you possibly think that team is realistically a year away from competing with the Warriors. Seriously?


 

 

 

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16 Jul 2017 20:36:04
No point for the 76ers to make this trade. All it does is add more unneeded salary to the sixers. The sixers need to move Okafor to a team for shooting guard depth and maybe a heavily protected pick. I could see them moving him to the Spurs for Green and either a heavily protected future 1st round pick or a future unprotected 2nd round pick.

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07 Jul 2017 12:22:34
As a Celtics fan I would love to get the Hayward and Gobert, but considering he just signed a big money extension they would need to clear even more cap space. Plus there is no way they give up Taytum or the Nets pick. The Celtics have either completed their puzzle or are a piece away from doing so. They should keep their 2 (most likely) lottery picks and go after guys like Donich who is an amazing international SG who can replace Bradley and the other pick on Ayton who is a big talented center who would allow Horford to move back to PF.

A lineup of
IT
Donich
Hayward
Horford
Ayton

With Smart (resign) Rozier, Brown Taytum, Zizic and other off the bench seems scary to me, maybe even scary than this years team.

Plus this is assuming that Crowder gets sent to the Jazz for Hayward, but If they can do the trade without him and without giving up any of the players listed above then just add him to the bench next year and the team will be so much deeper and scarier.

What do you guys think?

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06 Jul 2017 14:18:19
AJ620 is right, they don't need to really sign anyone else. They should save their money they have signed Amir Johnson who will be their primary backup 4. I know 76ers fans don't want to hear this but I think it is worth them being as one more year because the top prospect in this upcoming draft is an amazing SG, which is the only real hole in their lineup right now. If they are able to get a decent pick they could look to package it with a future pick or someone like Okafor who is not in the 76ers future plans and then look to draft someone like Boldon to replace him with one of their later first round picks. But the 76ers are just missing that one more piece and they will the process will finally be compleated.

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06 Jul 2017 04:51:03
Your crazy if you think the Celtics can only get 2 second round picks for Crowder.

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24 Jun 2017 16:06:57
The only team that the Pacers will be able to get a good return from is the Lakers because they know that he will resign with them barring something unforeseen happening so I could see it costing them Randell Clarkson multiple 1sts and possibly some of their picks this year not named Ball.

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