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03 Dec 2017 17:17:51
Three Deals
Deal 1:
Bucks get - C DeAndre Jordan, G Juwan Evans
Clippers get - G Khris Middleton, G Malcolm Brogdan, C John Henson

Deal 2:
Raptors get: C Marc Gasol
Grizzlies get: F Pascal Siakam, C Jonas Valanciunas, F OG Anuonby, second round pick

Deal 3:
Sixers get: F Julius Randle, F Luol Deng, G Josh Hart
Nets get: C Jahlil Okafor, G Jerryd Bayless, second round pick (Lakers)
Lakers get: F Trevor Booker, G Nik Stauskas

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1.) 03 Dec 2017 17:28:44
Sixers don't need randle at a cost of taking on Dengs contract. Philly doesn't want any part of this deal.


2.) 03 Dec 2017 17:36:26
1 is to much for Jordan. I'm not sure I would trade Middleton straight up for Jordan.

2's not bad as long as the Griz like JV

3 doesn't make any sense for the Sixers. They want to go out and spend their cap this offseason. before paying their players. They also don't get much of a return for the bad contract they take on. It's pretty bad for the Nets. Booker is a decent player and they take on Bayless who seems like more of a contract to make it work get a 2nd which isn't of much value, and they get Okafor who can be had for a second. The Lakers get a sweet deal.


3.) 03 Dec 2017 20:44:58
clips said they want 2 of those 3 guys but the bucks would be crazy to offer all 3, agree w/ rkenne that middleton should be off the table. brog and henson seems do-able, maybe add dj wilson. i like the addition of evans from la too, a young player sweetens it a bit since dj is a flight risk.


4.) 04 Dec 2017 20:02:19
Trade 1 ) Bucks pass

Trade 2 ) Memphis jumps on it

Trade 3 ) See Trade 1 response, substitute "Bucks pass" with "Sixers pass"


5.) 16 Dec 2017 00:31:10
you cannot be serious.


 

 

23 Nov 2017 16:35:15
DeAndre Jordan to the Cavaliers, Kevin Love to the Trail Blazers, and Damian Lillard to the Clippers.
The Cavaliers trade for the defensive rim-protector they need to advance their defense. The Blazers should choose McCollum over Lillard and trade Dame for a big man that can help them out, similar to the Warriors trading Monta Ellis for Andrew Bogut. The Clippers will miss Patrick Beverely for the season and Teodosic until further notice and Dame would be the perfect pick and roll partner with Blake Griffin for the future.

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1.) 23 Nov 2017 17:14:44
Jordan isn't worth Love, who isn't nearly worth Lillard.


2.) 24 Nov 2017 19:29:41
Just not a good trade for anyone but the clippers.


 

 

11 Nov 2017 00:22:56
Lakers get: F Nikola Mirotic (expiring)
Bulls get: C Jahlil Okafor (rookie deal), G Jerryd Bayless (two years, $18M remaining)
76ers get: G Josh Hart (rookie deal), F Luol Deng (three years, $54M remaining), future protected 1st (Lakers)

Lakers open up 2018 cap space for a small price. The Bulls move Mirotic, who won't play a game for them, while getting Chicago native Jahlil Okafor. 76ers move Okafor, who must be moved, for a prospect in Hart, while taking on Deng's deal in exchange for a pick and dumping Bayless lessens the blow of Deng.

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1.) 11 Nov 2017 04:24:02
The 76ers are past the point of taking on bad contracts. They're ready to spend on free agents that can help and that's not enough to get rid of Deng anyway.


2.) 11 Nov 2017 06:51:33
Think Deng will help the sixers especially with leadership. But a prospect plus a future pick from a already lottery team is worth it. Just top seven protected.


3.) 11 Nov 2017 09:15:11
Sixers say no to this deal instantly. Not a chance they take back Deng and his 3 yr/ 54million dollar anchor.


4.) 11 Nov 2017 19:40:43
Sixers have 3 guards currently out. (Stauskas, Bayless, and Fultz) It would be wise to trade for a guard. Milwaukee has 1-2 they would trade as they now have more than they need, with the addition of Bledsoe. Milwaukee can trade Vaughn or Dellavedova plus a 2nd rd pick to the Sixers for Okafor. The Bucks need a Center, Philly needs a Guard. Would work for both teams.


5.) 12 Nov 2017 10:24:00
But they still have enough guards (McConnell, Simmons, Redick, TLC, Korkmaz) . There's no need for a trade.


 

 

22 Oct 2017 23:19:51
Knicks get:
PG Eric Bledsoe, C Tyson Chandler, and future 2nd round pick
Suns get:
SG Courtney Lee, SF Lance Thomas, PF Kyle O'Quinn, C Willy Hernangomez, and protected 18' 1st Round Pick

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1.) 23 Oct 2017 02:54:14
Seems bad for the Suns unless that pick is only very lightly protected.


2.) 23 Oct 2017 03:23:09
not right for the knicks timeline (if they even have one)


 

 

23 Sep 2017 07:16:34
Ranking the Melo trade options in order
Deadline: 9/25/17
1 . Trade Melo to the Cavaliers for Shumpert, three expirings (Frye, Jefferson, Felder) & 2018 Nets 1st.
PG Thomas / Rose
SG Smith / Korver
SF James / Crowder
PF Love / Anthony
C Thompson / Zizic

2 . Trade Melo to the Blazers for Harkless, three expirings (Davis, Vonleah, Napier) and a future 1st.
PG Lillard - Turner
SG McCollum - Connuaghton
SF Aminu - Layman
PF Anthony - Leonard
C Nurkic - Collins

3 . Houston gives Anderson and a 2nd to Pacers; non-guaranteed contracts/1st to Knicks. Pacers send short-term deals (Jefferson/Stephenson) to Knicks. Knicks trade Melo to Rockets.
PG Paul / Brown
SG Harden / Gordon
SF Ariza / Tucker
PF Anthony / Mbah A Moute
C Capela / Nene

4 . Thunder gives Kanter and a 2nd to Mavericks; Doug McDermott (expiring) to the Knicks. Mavericks Barea, two expirings (McRoberts, Harris) to the Knicks. Knicks trade Melo to Thunder.
PG Westbrook / Felton
SG Roberson / Abrines
SF George / Grant
PF Anthony / Patterson
C Adams / Collison

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1.) 23 Sep 2017 07:31:37
The Cavs aren't giving up the Nets pick for Melo and it would take more to get the Pacers to take on Andersons contract. A 2nd isn't even almost worth it.


2.) 23 Sep 2017 16:51:42
Yeah, no way Cleveland includes the nets pick unless porzingis is included as well (which obviously won't happen) .


3.) 23 Sep 2017 18:00:20
Maybe the cavs pick but no way are they trading the Brooklyn pickf for melo.


4.) 23 Sep 2017 18:35:52
Indy would want a first

Portland would be a good fit for him.


 

 

 

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14 Dec 2017 12:26:20
End to the Paul George Madness

Blazers get: F Paul George ($19.5M - expiring), F Wes Johnson ($5.9M - two years remaining)

Clippers get: F Moe Harkless ($10.2M - three years remaining), F Zach Collins ($3.1M - rookie deal), future second round pick (Blazers)

Thunder get: G Louis Williams ($7.0M - expiring), C Ed Davis ($6.4M - expiring), F Noah Vonleah ($3.5M - expiring), future first round pick (Blazers, top 10 protected)

Blazers get George for a postseason run to pair with Dame, CJ, Nurkic, and the career year of Al-Farouq Aminu, while hoping George can resign after the year is done. Clippers trade the ultimate bench scorer in Lou Williams for a lottery pick last year in Collins, while trading an underachiever in Johnson for an underachiever with potential in Harkless. The Thunder rid of the experiment with expirings, a first round pick, and a scorer for half season in Williams. The Blazers would have traded two expirings, a bad contract, a prospect, a protected first, and a second for a top 15 player in George.

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1.) 14 Dec 2017 19:07:02
Not enough for George even with the chance he'll leave. You have to assume the Cavs would come after him pretty hard and I think the Celtics, Tortonto, possibly the Pelicans, Heat, Lakers, Nuggets, and a few other teams would make some decent offers.


2.) 14 Dec 2017 19:09:02
even considering his contract status, okc can find a better deal for pg. if he makes it to the trade block, cle will offer the nets pick and comparable expirings, the lakers will come calling, and u know magic will overpay (trading for pg gets u his bird rights, which means more cap flexibility)


 

 

06 Jul 2017 02:41:14
If the Celtics offer Crowder, Brown, 18' Nets pick, 18' Lakers pick, 19' Grizzlies Pick, 19' Clippers pick for Porzingis, should the Knicks take it? Debate below.

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1.) 06 Jul 2017 05:42:46
Take out Brown and put Smart.


2.) 06 Jul 2017 05:50:03
That offer is hard to turn down. The Knicks seem so far from putting together a solid team that an offer like that is probably worth it.


3.) 06 Jul 2017 09:53:25
Knicks should definitely consider it since although Porzingis is a potential superstar, Knicks don't have much to build around him and I don't see them being an attractive destination for FA for at least like 3 years. Regardless they'll be in the lottery the next few years so it may be better to cash in Porzingis for players who'd better fit timeline of those future picks and Ntilikina (who I think will take awhile to develop but could be a good player just not on Porzinigis timeline) .

Crowder I think would be kind of wasted in NY (they'd be better off with younger assets) . Brown showed some promise in his rookie year, Nets 18 should be top 5 in a draft with a lot of great big men prospects, Lakers 18 pick will probably turn into Kings 19 pick which should be top 10, Grizzlies 2019 pick is only top 5 protected and will likely fall in lottery with that aging team especially with them in West, the Clippers didn't completely reset like I thought they would so there is a chance that lotto protected pick in 2019 actually conveys . So they are getting some solid value back although you do have to discount it a little bit since a lot of it won't come until 2019 and then it'll take a few years for that talent to develop. However, they'd have a solid young core in a few years and you also, need to factor in their own draft picks which will be in lottery probably top 10 in 2018 and 2019 so assuming Knicks can draft competently they'd have a real promising young core that may justify getting rid of Porzingis especially since Knicks even with Porzingis don't project to be good for like another 3 years at the earliest.


 

 

01 Jul 2017 04:21:13
I'm really interested in what the San Antonio Spurs do as midnight hits on July 1st. Even with the Rockets getting CP3 and the Thunder getting PG13, I still feel the Spurs are positioned to finish second in the West behind the Golden State Warriors. Under contract next year, they have Leonard, Aldridge, Parker, Green, Anderson, Bertans, Murray, their draft pick Derrick White and $3M in dead cap. The two guys who the Spurs must prioritize retaining is Patty Mills and Jonathon Simmons. Mills is a guard who defends, shoots, is a playmaker, and gives them good minutes off their bench. They can go over the cap to retain Mills, as they own his Bird Rights, keeping his $6.8M cap hold on the books. Simmons is another key role player who uses his quickness and athleticism to pressure opponents on both ends of the floor. That situation is different than the Mills case because they are limited in what they can offer Simmons, as they only own his Early Bird Rights and can offer him only four years, $36M without dipping into space. Let's say that's enough to keep Simmons and his $1.6M cap hold is what is on the books, and Mills is resigned later on in free agency for a contract worth $13M + a season. Pau Gasol opted out and the Spurs agreed to bring him back at a reduced rate, possibly via the under the cap mid-level exception worth $6M. If Manu Ginobili doesn't retire and David Lee wants to return, expect them each to take minimum salary contracts to make it work. Spurs would still have $15M in cap space and the ability to add more talent. Would that be enough to steal Andre Iguodala from Golden State? If the Spurs could move Anderson and/or Bertans and get closer to $20M, is that enough for a George Hill reunion? Could the Spurs possibly split that cap space to sign two guys that could potentially be difference makers like Thabo Sefolosha and Patrick Patterson? Regardless of what happens, the Spurs look really good heading into next season and if they can add another piece to their puzzle, it only makes them more entertaining. As other teams pursue the top players on the market, the Spurs potential activity should be payed close attention to, as they push to compete with the Golden State Warriors in the now tougher Western Conference.

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29 Jun 2017 19:40:04
The Rockets formed what is now the most dynamic backcourt in the NBA with two top 10 players that can play make, score, and space the floor. They should be an offensive juggernaut and they have solidified their spot in the West behind Golden State and San Antonio. To improve further, they must add a third star and there are talks about PG13 and Melo. With the Lakers, Celtics, and Cavaliers able to offer Indiana far more than Houston, George is a long shot, however Melo is a likely target. The Rockets traded cash for almost every small non-guaranteed contract in the NBA yesterday to help facilitate the Paul trade financially and a potential Carmelo Anthony trade. Melo's trade salary will be $30M once his 15% trade kicker is applied and the Rockets want to reach that, while keeping the NBA's reigning 6th Man of the Year winner and their best perimeter defender in Ariza. The salaries essentially become dead weight and just an extra incentive. With the salaries they acquired, they can now pair them with Anderson's contract and make the money work for Carmelo. If the Rockets offer Ryan Anderson, the dead weight (Kelly, Long, Quarterman, Taylor), and two protected firsts in 2020 and 2022, do the Knicks say no? My guess is they take the trade considering they are probably not going to be good next year, Melo will just depart in free agency at year's end, and they'd be better off with the picks than without them. The Rockets then come into next year fielding a team of Chris Paul, James Harden, Trevor Ariza, Carmelo Anthony, and Clint Capela with Eric Gordon as 6th man, hopefully a resigned Nene, and whoever they can afford via their mid level exception and minimum contracts. This trade doesn't make them automatically better than the Warriors but something to keep Steve Kerr up at night when game-planning.

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26 Jun 2017 01:27:43
The Pelicans need to trade Anthony Davis and it might sound crazy but think about it. The Pelicans traded table crumbs to the Kings for DeMarcus Cousins, while already having Davis and a top-20 point guard in Jrue Holiday and they still won't make the playoffs next year.

Last night's Jimmy Butler trade helps to confirm it. Look at the teams in the West. Golden State, San Antonio, Utah, Houston, Memphis, Portland, Minnesota will most definitely be better than them for next season. If the Clippers find a way to keep Chris Paul and Blake Griffin, they will also be better than the Pelicans.

This is not even including Oklahoma City, who many say over-achieved, but still have Russell Westbrook, and the up-and-coming Denver Nuggets. That's a good 7-10 teams that will be better than New Orleans and cause them to miss the playoff again. The Kings knew this and smartly moved on from Boogie before time was up. Cousins is a FA at years' end and if they miss the playoffs, you can say Bye Bye, Boogie!

The Pelicans are also tied into resigning Jrue Holiday for whatever amount he desires because if he leaves, they won't be able to replace him effectively, given an insufficient amount of cap space. All the Pelicans have to improve this summer is through the $8M mid-level exception, which they should probably spend on a two-way wing like Thabo Sefolosha, P.J. Tucker, Joe Ingles, or even Holiday's brother, Justin.

Even if they can get a productive guy out of that exception, resign Jrue, and get big performances from Davis/Cousins, the roster is still filled with question marks and a lack of depth. E'twaun Moore, Dante Cunningham, Solomon Hill, Jordan Crawford, Alexis Ajinca, are all guys who the Pelicans are counting on to play big minutes, that they are probably unequipped for.

The issue is there is no upgrade in sight, as the Pelicans roster is barren of both young players and draft picks. There needs to be a rebuild in New Orleans to help put them on the right path to success, otherwise Davis will never reach back to the playoffs, during the remaining years of his contract.

Davis is the only piece that they have that can jumpstart that process. He is one of the 10 best players in the NBA, locked up long-term, and only getting better. The Bulls used this same logic when deciding to move Butler yesterday, however the package wasn't enough. The Pelicans should demand the world in return. The Pacers are in a different situation with a disgruntled superstar in Paul George, who only has a year on his deal remaining.

The Pacers are fine taking 50 cents off the dollar to start their rebuild. The Boston Celtics are the team that can help both out. Boston is in win-now mode and Danny Ainge is playing very patient, waiting to bite when the prey is in sight. Ainge pulled off a shrewd move with the 76ers before the draft, trading down for more picks, and smartly didn't bite in trading Jayson Tatum for Jimmy Butler.

Celtics fans must understand that giving Gordon Hayward $30M a year isn't going to beat Cleveland and it actually makes it less likely that they can add more pieces to the team after that move. The only reason the Celtics have cap space to make moves they can now is because they are paying Isaiah Thomas and Jae Crowder each $6M next year.

The only guy who's getting max money is Al Horford and the Celtics are smarter than to fish out two max deals to two OK star players. Ainge is a fan of the bargain deal and knows you need a few of them to be a perennial contender in the NBA. The Celtics know that they either need to go all in to trying to win or just keep stockpiling assets for the right moment.

There's is no need to be impatient, signing guys that will at most get you back in the Conference Finals. The Celtics should first give the Pelicans a trade offer of their draftee, Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, the Nets 18' pick, the Lakers 18' pick, their own 18' pick, and the Clippers 19' pick for Davis. New Orleans gets essentially a dynamic duo on the wings in Brown and Tatum, two more lottery picks next year, and two additional first round picks.

Though the Pelicans maybe attracted to Davis, this is an offer that they shouldn't refuse given their current situation. They can then let Holiday walk, instead of paying him $20M a year, and do Cousins a favor by moving him to a contender (think Cleveland for Tristan Thompson and Iman Shumpert), and embrace the rebuild. They themselves will be terrible and will walk their way into another lottery pick in 2018, perhaps #1 overall.

The clock for success then resets and they can build to having a group of studs, much like the F.E.D.S. in Philly (Fultz, Embiid, Dario, Simmons). The Celtics then can offer the Pacers a deal of Jae Crowder, Terry Rozier, the Grizzlies 19' pick, and the Celtics 20' pick for George.

This deal trumps a potential Lakers package built around Julius Randle, and whatever the contending San Antonio Spurs could put together, but most importantly avoids the drama of having him on the roster to start the season. To fill out the roster the Celtics can bring back Jonas Jerebko to the cap exception, and Gerald Green to the minimum, bring in Ante Zizic from overseas on a rookie deal, and bring in a hungry wing vet for the minimum, such as Tony Allen or Vince Carter.

Boston then enters the 2017-18 season sporting a lineup of Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley, Paul George, Anthony Davis, Al Horford with a bench of Marcus Smart, Gerald Green, Vince Carter, Jonas Jerebko, and Ante Zizic.

This would be the Celtics best roster since bringing in Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen to pair with Paul Pierce back in the summer of 2007, with a very good chance at dethroning the Cavaliers in the Eastern Conference and maybe winning the title.

The Pelicans and Pacers get to rebuild the right way: with draft picks and young players. This is a win-win for each team and the next set of moves to transpire in the NBA to add more competition.

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1.) 26 Jun 2017 02:27:02
The Pelicans have possibly the 2 best big men in the game and Davis is a top 10 player. No way should they trade Davis. They have him signed for 3 more years and he's only 23. The chances they end up with a better player to build around in the next 5 to 10 years are pretty slim.


2.) 27 Jun 2017 17:30:41
Yes that is definitely a route Pelicans could've gone and one they probably explored last season but I doubt any team was going to give up as much as they wanted for Davis so instead they opted to go in the opposite direction and add Cousins.

That is a very steep price for the Celtics who have commitment issues and I don't think they'd get George for that little or else he'd probably already be on their team.

I think Pelicans best bet is to resign Holiday and hope the Davis and Cousins duo can be the game-breaking pairing that they have the ability to be. Then rely on smaller incremental signings to fill out the roster and as is necessary on any team somebody outside of their core group is going to have to step up.

The West is stacked but Clippers and Jazz can both be crippled in FA and I'd say teams like Memphis, Portland and Denver are same tier as Pelicans. As is none have made significant changes (only really Denver has the cap space and assets to still do so) while I think having a full off-season to incorporate Cousins can only make Pelicans better. Pelicans are unlikely to challenge Warriors, Spurs or Rockets but not a lot of teams are and Pelicans are relatively young and I wouldn't be surprised if they made playoffs.


 

 

 

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22 Sep 2017 17:29:54
Good trade. Bucks would hate to lose Middleton but to get Gasol it's worth it. Grizzlies get the picks they need to rebuild around Conley after the trade, without taking on any major long term salary. The Bulls moving on from Lopez would open up time for Robin Lopez and moving Valentine and a protected pick seems worth getting a vital piece to the future like Middleton.

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15 Aug 2017 21:31:44
They are not getting Anthony Freakin Davis for Kyrie Irving and/ or Kevin Love. The only team with the assets to deal for Davis would be the Celtics.

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15 Aug 2017 21:29:18
The Jazz wouldn't trade Favors who when healthy is a top 40 player who defends, rebounds, and scores on the inside for Anderson and Burks for basically an older version in Courtney Lee. In all reality the Jazz don't need Anderson as they have a pretty complete roster at this point. The Wolves would need at least two 1st Round picks if they were to take on Noah. The Rockets won't do a Nelo deal unless all they have to give up is Anderson and a first round pick and frankly they shouldn't become they need to keep depth. Trading Ariza or Capela or an extra first rounder would only be to the Rockets' detriment.

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15 Aug 2017 21:21:22
Can I change the proposal a little bit?
Knicks get Kyrie Irving and Tobias Harris
Pistons get Kevin Love and Joakim Noah
Cavaliers get Kristaps Porzingis, Stanley Johnson, Ish Smith, Lance Thomas and Jon Leuer

I feel Detroit should be the one that has to take on Noah's contract considering they are getting a top 30 player in Kevin Love for a subpar package of players. I also believe the Knicks would want something else for giving up Porzingis' future. Tobias Harris is a native New Yorker, grew up in Long Island, his family still resides in New York, and he is very close to Carmelo Anthony so I believe it would be ideal that he becomes a Knick. If the Knicks are willing to give up Porzingis for Irving, Melo and Kyrie are a great duo and there is enough role guys on the roster to where they could make the playoffs this season and recruit others in free agency next season. If the Cavs believe LeBron is going to leave, try and grab a future superstar in Porzingis now, Johnson is a young asset, Smith gives them another stopgap at PG along with Derrick Rose and Jose Calderon and they hopefully won't become the Brooklyn Nets after LeBron leaves.

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13 Aug 2017 23:26:40
I like it. Pretty realistic cause the Lakers need to move Deng, the Spurs need to step up like the rest of the conference, the Knicks need a great PG, and Grizzlies could rebuild in the tough West. The Grizzlies aren't really tied up to any long term deals besides Conley/ Gasol/ Parsons so they could take back a Noah/ Deng with picks and be okay. I might want to minus one of the future Lakers picks and replace it with a Kyle Kuzma or Josh Hart and have the Spurs throw in the extra 1st Round pick because I feel Gasol for one first is Hughes robbery.

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