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24 Feb 2019 05:31:13
1 July salary dump trade

Clippers trade Gallinari + 2019 1st round draft pick (assuming that they are not top 3 after the lottery) .

Kings trade Bjelica + 2019 2nd rounder (Orlando)

Saves Clips around $15 mil for second max FA while Kings would have a shot at drafting DeAndre Hunter.


1.) 24 Feb 2019 05:40:18
For Bjelica? This is a Joke right?



17 Feb 2019 19:20:05
After Harrison Barnes opts into his final year.

Kings trade Harrison Barnes + 2020 2nd rounder (either Miami or Detroit)

Minnesota trades Georgi Dieng and Robert Covington.


1.) 17 Feb 2019 20:38:23
Why would Minnesota do that?

2.) 17 Feb 2019 21:49:33
Frees themselves out of a ton of future salary.

3.) 18 Feb 2019 03:30:44
A ton of future salary? Covington plays way better than his money. And Dieng is only making $8 million more total for 2 years over Barnes' 1 year.



05 Feb 2019 06:02:16
Miami trades Whiteside and Richardson

Kings trade Randolph, Schumpert, Skal Labrisierre, 2019 2nd rounder (Minnesota), $11 mil in current cap space.

Deal get Miami below the luxury tax line for 2019.




05 Feb 2019 05:50:39
Lakers get Davis and Ross

Magic get Ball

Kings get Hill and Lakers 2019 1st

NO gets KCP, Kuzma, Ingram, Koufus, Hart, Wagner/ Zubac, OKC 2020 1st (from Orl) and Lakers 2021 1st, Minnesota 2019 2nd (from Sac), 2020 Lakers 2nd

Just an addition to the much discussed Lakers-Pelicans deal whereby Ball gets moved to Orlando and Hill is salary dumped on the Kings.




03 Feb 2019 01:15:12
Portland trades Leonard, Baldwin IV, Curry and 2019 1st rounder

Sacramento trades Ben MacLemore and Skal Labrissierre

Sacramento is also taking on just enough salary to get Portland under the luxury tax cap this year as well as enough future salary for Portland to be near the salary cap for next year.


1.) 03 Feb 2019 04:38:06
Portland is putting their first in play to either move one of their large, bad contracts (ie. Turner), or improve the squad. This deal does neither, no from Blazers.

2.) 03 Feb 2019 05:54:18
Turner +1st for Randolph then.

And hopefully Portland can pay cash for Chicago to take Seth Curry to get the team below the luxury tax.




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25 Mar 2019 00:03:30
With the last pick in the 2nd round, Kings select . Taco Fall.


1.) 25 Mar 2019 02:09:34
Wouldn't spend the pick. Obviously someone has said: Stop bringing the ball below the top of your head!, about a million times.

2.) 25 Mar 2019 03:35:27
Undrafted free agent he will be a decent backup big.

3.) 25 Mar 2019 14:11:43
I just think he can be a defensive disruptor that most teams (besides Utah and Philly) could use. Develop into something like a taller Clint Capella.

4.) 25 Mar 2019 15:29:38
His speed, and not leaving the key to even fake a perimeter closeout stood out to me. The NBA will find a way to make those open 3's. The NCAA doesn't capitalize quite the same. If he bites, then guys will easily go around him. Guys like Lillard, Walker, Harden will shred the cheese on Tacko's taco.

5.) 26 Mar 2019 01:07:50
Duh, Jorga. They do that on lottery big men as well.

But for the last pick in the draft to be a backup center when the opponents bench is not full of shooters. i'd give it a crack.

6.) 26 Mar 2019 05:19:50
Hey fredman that wasn't patronizing, or stating the obvious. If your so smart then stop coming on here patronizing everyone. I wasn't being rude, but you are. Good day to you.

7.) 26 Mar 2019 07:51:11
Guys like Lillard, Walker, Harden will shred the cheese on Tacko's taco.

This is not obvious? Really? Who honestly believes that Taco could shut down NBA All-Star point guards? Duh, no one.

8.) 26 Mar 2019 11:45:24
Kind of missing the point. You want to spend a draft pick on a 4th year player, who doesn't budge an inch on perimeter closeout's in the NCAA mens league, and I'm being facetious? Good day to you.

9.) 26 Mar 2019 12:01:41
Yes, I do want spend a pick on that. The absolute last pick in the draft so I get the rights to him versus it being a free for all in free agency. Better than drafting a Euro who may never come across the ocean.

Also, the whole bringing the ball down below his head is a whole core/ leg strength issue that can be resolved as he gets older/ stronger.

10.) 26 Mar 2019 18:09:50
You really believe you know more than everyone, and if they didn't type it in print that somehow implies they didn't know, and it's your job to patronize them? Tacko had 3 seasons with no-takers. Bol-Bol is going to get worked like Ingram if he doesn't put on weight, is injured significantly, and he is projected in the lottery by some still. Your being sensitive for no reason. I wasn't trying to be a Jerk or humiliate you, I'd appreciate the same respect in return. If that was insulting to you, then you're looking for it. I can't change or help with that.



24 Mar 2019 18:58:11
Best young/ future backcourt?

Ball/ Ingram
Young/ Huerter
Dlo/ Harris
Fox/ Hield
Morant (? ) / Booker.


1.) 24 Mar 2019 20:15:17
Wouldn't it be D-lo, Levert? Harris is a pretty big guy, and not really mobile. Shoots out of the ball though.

Fox, Hield/ Bogdanovich is the best of the group.

Young, huerter, is terrible defensively. They'll sneak up on a few teams with shooting though.

Ball/ Ingram need work, but next season could be something. Ingram runs right into James position, but it's good for his underdeveloped spot up game. Ultimately good for James career extension. Ingram needs Hart to play better, and James to give him more room, and put on some more muscle weight for his further success.

Booker/ Morant is pretty good. I'd probably run the risk on drafting Zion, or trade my pick for 2 picks. A PF and a ball handling guard would be great for them. Like Jaxson Hayes, Trey Jones.

2.) 24 Mar 2019 22:20:39
So is Fox/ Hield/ Bogdanovich/ Bagley in the same ball park as past OKC youths of Westbrook/ Durant/ Harden/ Ibaka?

3.) 25 Mar 2019 01:37:08
3 future MVP's might be expecting a little too much. Fox, and Bagley maybe, maybe. It's way too early to call though.

4.) 25 Mar 2019 02:11:03
Just saying that could be the ceiling for this team, which would be pretty scary.

5.) 25 Mar 2019 03:36:25
Harris/ Murray's for Denver. They are young and winning already.

6.) 25 Mar 2019 04:48:33
Their winning is more Jokic then Murray and Harris combined.

7.) 25 Mar 2019 09:23:00
Fox-hield and Booker-Morant.



17 Mar 2019 01:15:06
If (and that is a big if) the Kings were looking to trade Buddy Hield this offseason ( or draft day), woukd they be able to get a return similar to what Porzungis garnered? What do you believe the best offer for 3pt shooting, 20pt per game average player still on his rookie deal? If Thompson resigns to GSW, does Hield's trade value go up?


1.) 17 Mar 2019 04:09:50
Like 2 first and a mid level prospect like day Kelly Oubre.

2.) 17 Mar 2019 08:00:08
Harrison Barnes, Buddy Hield for Covington, Teague, '19 protected 1-8, '20 1-5, '21 unprotected.

3.) 17 Mar 2019 08:07:25
SAC 1st
BOS 1st




14 Mar 2019 18:18:58
So with the medical evaluation of Ingram just lower the price Boston will have to pay for the "best" package for Anthony Davis? Tatum, Kings and Memphis picks and salary filler?


1.) 14 Mar 2019 18:41:26
I don’t think so because Ingram was the third most valuabale young player on the Lakers. Maybe it lowered the cost by a first, but it didn’t lower the cost to not include Tatum. Tatum is still going to be required.

2.) 14 Mar 2019 19:39:03
I don’t see tatum being traded if kyrie is leaving.

3.) 14 Mar 2019 21:56:09
Bmiller- who outranks him? Ball already whined about going and kuz plays no defense. I liked zubac but he is a clipper.

4.) 14 Mar 2019 21:25:43
If Irving walked, I wouldn't trade Tatum and Assets for AD. With the draft assets and young core, Bos has a competitive young team still. If Irving stays, Tatum is in the deal. Not a choice for Ainge, the Pels will require it to start trade negotiations likely. Bos has other great assets, but I think another team would land AD unless Tatum was involved.

5.) 15 Mar 2019 00:30:01
Knicks can trade on draft night. By the way Tatum and Ingram are real close.

6.) 15 Mar 2019 02:49:53
Kuzma is clearly a considerably better player. I’d take Ball (I guess) over Ingram. I don’t like eithe much, but at least ball is a good defender.

7.) 15 Mar 2019 08:34:57
Ingram an iso player. Lakers don't play to his strengths they play to lbj. We saw kuz play this year better then tatum and Ingram but i still think Ingram and tatum turns out better.

8.) 15 Mar 2019 13:30:27
When Ingram clears medical waivers in 2-months we'll see what happens. Pels are not trading AD to LA.

9.) 15 Mar 2019 14:22:14
Jorga- it's a blood clot. They rarely go away or don't return. I am not wishing it but this is serious.

10.) 15 Mar 2019 15:50:43
My guess for Ingram’s future is that he becomes the next Wiggins. They’re both lower profile versions of Melo. Or, wing versions of the black hole center crew (Kanter, Monroe, Jefferson)

11.) 15 Mar 2019 16:35:10
I am aware, and agree shiller41, deep venous thrombosis, and I relayed your sentiments on the rumors page already. I wasn't stating a fact, it was meant to be received as he isn't doing anything until that med evaluation comes back and he is out of the woods, and cleared to play. I am trying to remain optimistic about it. He is just a kid barely legal to drink, and this happens to him. Huge blow, but it may save his life.

12.) 15 Mar 2019 16:35:14
Ingram and wiggins are totally different. Ingram can actually be a point guard who scores at a high percentage and gets his team involved and does play defense. Wiggins is a poor man melo flatout.
If Ingram and lbj play next year together you going to see the results.
Monroe kanter and Jefferson will have diferent careers if on diferent teams. Sometimes being on a bad team hides your game.

13.) 15 Mar 2019 17:05:11
I'd disagree that "we have seen Kuzma play better than Tatum". They're pretty similar overall, but Tatum beats Kuzma is almost every advanced stat. Kuzma puts up more points only because he puts up more shots on a worse team.

I'd be fairly shocked if those three didn't end up being 1. Tatum 2. Kuzma 3. Ingram in overall careers.

14.) 15 Mar 2019 18:34:59
Melo has a higher career assist rate than Ingram. Even his last year in NY, his assist rate was higher than Ingram this year.

But obviously arguing with a Lakers fan is useless.

15.) 15 Mar 2019 21:05:43
For all the ball handling melo does he should have more assist. Ingram never got the chance melo did. But without james Ingram a facilitator.
Look at Ingram last 8 games. Tatum never did that while playing with Irving something Ingram did with lbj.

16.) 15 Mar 2019 22:11:06
Bmiller, you’re comparing a 3rd year player to a guy that despite his huge flaws was a really good player even at the tail end of his prime. Ingram has shown the abilty to run the offense, he has a lot of skill on offense and he has the athletic ability and length to be at least a good defender. He’s played well on defense in stretches. He could be an all star down the line. He just hasn’t put it all together and in his present form, he isn’t the impact player that a guy like Tatum is. Pre dvt, he was probably their most valuable asset. He just has the highest upside.

Ball has been so injury prone, his shot is awful and he doesn’t really have the mindset to be a high end offensive player. He seems like a good role player.

Kuzma has looked great on offense and he has talent on that end, but when you’re one of the few floor spacers and a guy that’s going to be in the pick and role a lot with Lebron, Ball, and Rondo, it’s not hard to look good. Maybe at some point he can be a legit 3rd option, but he doesn’t drive the offense. He’s also trash on defense. Offensively, he’s best at center, but their defense is just to bad when he does that. He can’t take on that role and if the other team goes small at 4, he can’t hang with perimeter players. If he can’t at least figure that out a little bit, his value is always going to take a a big hit.

17.) 15 Mar 2019 22:33:34
8 games isn’t enough of a sample size, I trust the 200 before it.

Ingram had every chance in the world his first two years, and he was an inefficient black hole.

Comparing Ingram to Tatum proved my point (and I should just give up) . Tatum kills him in almost every way. No one outside of LA would consider it for more than a second, they’d take Tatum over Ingram by a wide margin. Especially defensively.

18.) 16 Mar 2019 00:26:20
Does Not kill him maybe better in some ways but not killing him. One on one Ingram will smash tatum and kuz.

19.) 16 Mar 2019 04:08:05
I’m comparing guys that have never proven to add wins to their team. Ingram, Wiggins, Kanter, Monroe, throw Hood in there. In a different life, Jamal Crawford is this kind of guy too. Guys that stuff stats but I don’t think a team is generally better with them on the court. They’re all great 6th men.

Il, that’s my point. Ingram is a great one on one player. But they don’t play one on one in the NBA. Tatum is a great TEAM player.

20.) 16 Mar 2019 08:53:55
No tatum has better players around him so makes him and the celtics look better. Put tatum on the suns instead of jackson. Would they make playoffs i highly doubt it they may have a couple more wins that's about it.

21.) 16 Mar 2019 08:55:41
You need the right players around you too.

22.) 16 Mar 2019 09:45:12
Rkenne_16 is right, Ingram has incredible length, and size advantage at multiple positions offensively, and defensively. Tatum is not the ball handler Ingram is, and I give the advantage to Tatum, but Ingram is not a loss, or a bad player except for DVT.

23.) 16 Mar 2019 14:19:44
Put Tatum on suns he average 25 a game unlike jackson.

24.) 16 Mar 2019 17:41:34
Countless players have had the right measurables (height, length, size) and been underwhelming. Again, Wiggins checks all those boxes. Jabari Parker did too.

Not saying Ingram is a bad player, but he will never be a top 3 player on a contender. Tatum and Kuzma could be. None of the three will be #1 on a championship team though.

25.) 16 Mar 2019 18:16:04
I could see Tatum one day being the number 1 guy on a championship team, but he has a long way to go. I mean look at Paul George now. In most years that Thunder team is a finals contender. George is the number one guy on that team in terms of ability.

I could also see Ingram being a 2nd or 3rd option on a team. I think this is a pretty big summer for him to get there though. Assuming the best with the injury and that he’s still on the Lakers, he really needs to adjust to not having the ball as much. I think he’s already better than Wiggins.

26.) 16 Mar 2019 22:05:47
Looks like Ingram should be okay. He'll be traded if the rumors are true about his desire to leave. Someone will offer something good for him. Not many 6'9" guys that handle the ball, and score off the dribble in the league, nevermind @ 22 years old.

27.) 17 Mar 2019 04:12:12
I think people will still be worried. His trade value is probably pretty damaged.

28.) 17 Mar 2019 08:04:36
Worried enough to hurt his value but not enough to keep 'em away at a discount! Assuming his tests and everything check out in a couple months.

29.) 18 Mar 2019 08:04:15
II you should prob look up what assist rate is versus assists.

Also, how is Wiggins a poor mans melo? He makes as much or more than melo did.



24 Feb 2019 05:14:30
Does this sound like a non-playoff team?

Last 3 games have been road games against the top 3 teams in the Western Conference.

At Denver, lose on a last second tip in by Jokic

at Golden State, miss last second shot to send game into overtime.

At OKC, win with PG13 missing a game tying 3 point shot.


1.) 24 Feb 2019 19:25:22
Well 3 games one 1 isn't playoff performing.

2.) 24 Feb 2019 21:40:55
If the Kings get in as the 7th or 8th seed, it should be an interesting 7-game series. I don't think any of the top seeds wants to play the Kings in the 1st round.

3.) 25 Feb 2019 13:46:19
Fredman- if 8th seed they win one game. If seventh they win one game. They are improving but not there yet.

4.) 25 Feb 2019 15:40:31
Maybe, but the 4 losses are not going to br cake walk games for the 1st or 2nd seed.

As for "not there yet", it depends on what you view "there" is. For a team that has been in the lottery the last 13 years, just being competitive with the top teams is "there" enough for me.

5.) 25 Feb 2019 16:37:17
Is there any cake walk for the 1 and 2 seeds? Would you rather have Utah? Portland? SA? Lakers? Houston? The 3-10 teams in the west are just tough across the board.

6.) 25 Feb 2019 17:33:30
Spurs loss to the Knicks shows that they aren't all that. Lakers are too inconsistent (can they string 5 good games together? ) And the Clippers traded away 20 points a night. IMO Kings (at the moment) provide the greatest challenge than any of the 7-10 teams in the West.

7.) 25 Feb 2019 18:15:00
The Spurs have Pop and two all NBA players. The Lakers have Lebron. I wouldn't want either of those in a first round series.

Yeah, the Clippers are going to fall. They're not making the playoffs.

Not a knock on the Kings. I'd just rather face the inexperience team over the teams with hall of famers. The Kings feel a year early before they make noise in the playoffs.

8.) 25 Feb 2019 18:54:11
I just really want them to get playoff experience this year to help them "make noise" next year.

9.) 25 Feb 2019 19:00:40
Spurs are trash on the road this year.

10.) 28 Feb 2019 18:17:42
December Lakers




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25 Mar 2019 20:22:56
New orleans would say no.




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24 Mar 2019 00:50:49
Derozen + Olynyk for Hield + Barnes + Bjelica? Ummm, no!




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23 Mar 2019 17:31:02
It could be, but you have to wait a season to get. Not a great thing for a rebuilding team.




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23 Mar 2019 17:29:12
If next season is the same as last season, does Lebron opt out and leave the Lakers? I say YUP.




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23 Mar 2019 12:02:53
Best offer for Beal I have seen so far.

Just doubt that Lakers will give up 3 picks and Ingram + Hart. That 2022 pick will be owed after Lebron and Beal have both left LA at the end of their deals.





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