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20 Sep 2018 01:43:25
let's start flooding Jimmy trades. I think it will be hard for other teams to trade for him since he was seeking the super max when he was already 30 and MIN would have no leverage so this is the best deal that could work for me


LAC: Jimmy Butler, Gorgui Dieng

MIN: Avery Bradley (exp), Jerome Robinson, Danilo Gallinari, 1st round pick (lottery protected)

with the way the stars are being traded, i think this is what the Clips could offer




Pg Teague-Rose-Jones
Sg Wiggins-Bradley
Sf Gallinari-Robinson-Okogie
Pf Gibson-Tolliver
Ce Towns-Patton


1.) 20 Sep 2018 13:08:26
No one wants Dieng in a butler deal. Trading for butler is committing to 30 mil at least next season. unlikely a team want will to make room for 3 years, 48 mil worth of Dieng.

2.) 20 Sep 2018 14:24:19
If the Clips go after Butler, it will be to pair with another star this offseason. They won’t want additional long term salary commitments in a deal. Butler for Bradley, Robinson, top 10 protected first and a 2nd is more likely. Bradley would fit Thibs system well.

3.) 20 Sep 2018 17:04:11
I agree with Triangle O. Butler for Bradley, Robinson, Clippers 1st, Clippers 2nd, is the most realistic trade rumor I have seen so far. It still might not be enough for Minnesota. I think Wolves will think about it and hope for better offers for now. I think Wolves will make a deal in the next two weeks.



19 Sep 2018 07:53:55
midseason trade


BOS get Jimmy Butler & Dragan Bender
- sign Jamal Crawford

Pg Irving/Rozier/Bird
Sg Butler/Crawford
Sf Hayward/Morris/Ojeleye
Pf Tatum/Theiss/Yabusele
Ce Horford/Baynes/Bender

PHX get Marcus Smart & PJ Dozier

Pg Smart/Okobo/Dozier
Sg Booker/Daniels/Melton
Sf Jackson/Bridges
Pf Ariza/Anderson
Ce Ayton/Chandler

MIN get Jaylen Brown, TJ Warren & 1st round pick BOS

Pg Teague/Rose/Jones
Sg Wiggins/Okogie
Sf Brown/Warren/Deng
Pf Gibson/Tolliver
Ce Towns/Dieng/Patton


1.) 19 Sep 2018 12:43:04
Boston would not give up Brown for Butler, and even if they would, it would be temporary because they could not afford 4 max contracts (Horford, Hayward, Butler, Irving) in 2019-20. Smart would be a good fit in Phoenix, but Suns don't have the assets to get him. Bender would not be a rotation player in Boston. As for the Wolves, someone like Brown fits their timeline but I don't see what they could offer for him since Towns would be out of the mix.



12 Sep 2018 11:58:27

Pacers: K.Walker & M.Williams

Hornets: T.Young, D.Collison, 1st round pick & 2nd round pick


Pacers: T.Warren

Suns: C.Joseph & TJ Leaf




1.) 12 Sep 2018 16:10:31
Second one is more believable. Pacers need to add a bit more for first trade, probably a young player like Holiday it Anibogu.



10 Sep 2018 04:19:58

Suns: C.Joseph, T.Young

Pacers: J.Butler, 2nd rd pick Suns

Wolves: T.Warren, M.Turner, 1st round pick Pacers


1.) 10 Sep 2018 08:02:27
I like Butler going to Indy.



05 Sep 2018 03:43:13

Mavs: Butler

Knicks: Matthews (exp)

Wolves: Lee, Barnes, 1st from Mavs


1.) 05 Sep 2018 06:37:07
Like with the hardaway trade if this was the best trade I think Minny does it. But way different. Barnes and Matthews plus 2019 top 5 protected pick for Butler and dieng.

2.) 06 Sep 2018 16:27:22
This is not a bad trade for Butler if Min. is sure he is leaving. Good deal for Dallas. Why do you need NY in this deal? Just send Matthews to Min. instead of Lee.




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10 Sep 2018 02:59:54
Do you guys think Celtics have the best asset to trade for a superstar? Or who else?


1.) 10 Sep 2018 09:20:15
The problem for boston is capspace, they have to give up to much to get a superstar. And they have so many assets, teams would want al lot to trade their superstar. (Nobody wants to be the next team that's been hustled by Ainge)

Phoenix, NY, Indy, The spurs, LA and the Clippers have some assets.

2.) 10 Sep 2018 11:07:33
For salary sake it’s Hayward or Horford would have to be included but yes if Davis or KD is available Celtics are in a good spot to land them don’t really know who else they would want.

3.) 10 Sep 2018 19:27:01
The teams that were Hustled by Ainge made bad deals. Because they got the stuff they wanted in return and it worked out better for Boston means Ainge hustled them? Not following that logic. Anyone that gets a package they like will make a deal. Sometimes it doesn't go well in the end. Evan Turner, Deng, Dieng, Batum, Mozgov, Noah, parsons are all examples of the fickle player v. s. Contract value debate.

4.) 10 Sep 2018 20:02:44
The only team Ainge really hustled was the Cavs. Brooklyn’s owner basically forced a terrible trade and Ainge was the beneficiary. The Cavs agreed to a deal and then realized how broken IT was. Ainge most likely downplayed it leading to the extra 2nd round pick. Pulling out was almost impossible for Cleveland after it went public. If IT was atleast close to the player of the previous year (in capability, not statistically) and Crowder buys in that’s a great trade for the Cavs.

5.) 10 Sep 2018 23:34:53
Ainge didn't hustle anyone. Net's hustled themselves.

6.) 12 Sep 2018 17:25:44
Without a doubt they do. They have Tatum, Brown, Rozier, and like 6 firsts in the next couple years (including a likely top 5 pick from the Kings) . The problem is that they might not have any interest in moving some of their best assets (namely Tatum and Rozier), and they don't have many "filler" contracts to trade for a player on a big deal.

But a package of Hayward/ Horford, Brown/ Tatum, Rozier, and the Kings first could get just about anyone in the NBA.



03 Sep 2018 11:32:30
Best per natural position East vs West

1st team

Pg Irving
Sg Oladipo
Sf Giannis
Pf Porzingis
Ce Embiid

Pg Curry
Sg Harden
Sf James
Pf Davis
Ce Towns

2nd team

Pg Wall
Sg Beal
Sf Kawhi
Pf Love
Ce Drummond

Pg Westbrook
Sg Butler
Sf Durant
Pf Green
Ce Gobert

damn Western Conference still has Cousins, Aldridge, PG, Klay, Paul


1.) 04 Sep 2018 13:53:21
Yea the west is loaded with all stars. It will be interesting to see who makes the all star teams this year. If they do the draft for the teams like last year I'm sure they are, and still make it the same amount of players from the East and the West a lot of players from the West will get snubbed and players from the East will be lucky and happy.

2.) 06 Sep 2018 02:44:24



Cant get inside against east but the 3 game will get them destroyed.



03 Sep 2018 11:24:57
Who would you rather have? Assuming all are healthy, again all are healthy. Not by position but by their skillset

Embiid or B.Simmons

Gobert or Porzingis

Mitchell or Jokic

M.Turner or Ingram

Davis or Giannis

Beal or McCollum

Towns or Tatum

Klay or P.George

D.Booker or J.Brown

Kawhi or Kyrie


1.) 03 Sep 2018 15:59:10
Embiid (for now, I think Simmons overtakes him soon)
Gobert (not very close)
Turner (not a huge fan of either)
Davis (very close)
McCollum (I guess, they’re basically the same)
Towns (that most likely changes after this year)
Klay (very similar players)
Booker (and it’s not close. I like Brown, but he’s a solid role player. Booker is an elite scorer)
Kawhi (not very close if you look at Leonard’s peak. The problem is that Kawhi has only done that for two years)

2.) 03 Sep 2018 18:13:53
Simmons based on his ceiling

Porzingas, he’s not the defender Gobert is, but he’s so much better on offense. You can limit a defenders impact somewhat.

Mitchell, he can be a great 2 way player.

Turner by a hair. Neither has even scratched the surface on what they could be.

Giannis. He’s already gotten his team to the playoffs more times than Davis and in a smaller time frame. Plus, he realistically could be the best player of all time, if he continues to improve. It’s only a slight chance, but if you were building an athlete in a lab to play basketball, it wouldn’t be far off from GA.

Beal, he’s younger and like Bmiller said, they’re almost clones.

Towns, if he develops correctly, he could be unstoppable on offense and a force on defense. The only player that can do what he could do is Davis and maybe Porzingis.

George, because he’s better defender and more rounded offensive player, but Klay fits seemlessly on any team.

I’d take Brown. He’s not the offensive player Booker is, but given the situation of the points, I don’t think there is as big a gap as raw stats show and Brown was near elite on defense last year. Booker is awful.

Kawhi by a lot. As soon as Irving was told traded to Boston he somehow magically went from a top 20 player to a top 10. Weird how much better the market made him. He’s a great offensive player, but a bad defender. Kawhi is probably a step behind him offensively, but defensively Leonard is miles ahead.

3.) 04 Sep 2018 14:23:57
Simmons, he has a high ceiling and he is a lot more versatile he can play PG SF and PF once he gets a solid jump shot its over.

Porzingis, again higher ceiling when you have someone 7ft or taller than can hit 3’s and control the ball as good as he can you have to take him.

Mitchell, even though he is a lil small for his position he has a great shot at being an All-NBA two way player in the future.

Turner, but close. Turner has good potential to control the Paint at both ends of the floor while also having the ability to step out past the 3 point line. Most bigs now can either defend well or play offense well not many do both and he has potential to do both.

Davis, we saw what he can do at the end of last season and playoffs he was dominating in the West and swept Portland in the Playoffs. If he plays the 5 more than the 4 I think he could one day average 30 pts 15 Reb which would be amazing.

Beal, a lil younger and a lil taller but they are almost the same.

Tatum, with Mitchell and Simmons this year I feel he was really overlooked by a lot of people, but he has amazing potential. Once he gets a lil more of an NBA body and improves a lil on defense this guy is going to be a beast. I could see him being a better version of Paul George.

George, I love Thompson he is overlooked and underappreciated, but I take George. We have seen George be the #1 go to guy in Indiana and he played the role very well led them the the conference finals where they lost to LeBron but it wasn't easy for LeBron. I would love to see Thompson be on a team where he is used more.

Brown, Booker is great on offense, but Brown doesn't have near the offensive opportunities as Booker because he is on a team with other all stars and a winning team. Booker plays with 0 all stars and on a rebuilding team. And Brown is a lot better at defense than Booker.

Kawhi, this one's easy when healthy best 2 way player in the NBA. But I love Irving and he is very clutch especially in the playoffs and finals where it matters most.

4.) 04 Sep 2018 14:33:16
I think Irving is better offensive player by allot then Leonard and Leonard way better defensive player then Irving. Irving does play defense though. I think Leonard was coached better and has a better IQ shot selection then Irving. Being coached better helps that iq. but Irving improved when he got coached by Stevens can't wait till this season to see but Leonard the better player but not by miles in my opinion.

5.) 05 Sep 2018 14:37:02
B. Simmons
D. Booker




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05 Sep 2018 03:30:14
Mozgov is a star on his own.




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05 Sep 2018 01:08:58
Make it Mozgov and a 2nd men.




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05 Sep 2018 01:08:42
That's too much for Davis, don't buyout Mozgov, trade him with Jarrell Martin plus highly protected 2nd. Pelicans would say yes in a heartbeat.




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21 May 2018 01:17:55
Why would Boston do that? Yes Boston is doing well even without Kyrie and Hayward but they will surely be better with those 2. Stevens is a genius, he will figure it out.




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18 May 2018 04:30:26
Lakers wouldn't do that.





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