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21 Dec 2016 19:15:33
PHI GETS: Tyus Jones, John Lucas III (non-guaranteed)

MIN GETS: (two of, PHI's choice) Luwawu, Richaun Holmes, Covington

PHI gets a PG who's probable upside is good back-up PG because of his size. However, last year's #24 pick is cheap, he can run an offense, and he is a clutch shooter who can create for himself. He would be an upgrade at PG over Sergio this season, that would help their great young bigs this year, so they don't waste a season of rookie development. He already knows how to play with his best friend, Okafor. He can also slip quietly in to a back-up role next year behind Simmons. MIN likes Tyus, but don't have the minutes for him.

MIN gets a couple bench bigs with upside on cheap deals. They may be more likely to see the floor than Tyus, and may make Dieng easier to trade this summer, if either starts to show something.


1.) 21 Dec 2016 20:12:33
I don't think the sixers are interested. Those players don't help us at all. I'd give you Holmes since he doesn't play for Tyrus jones because it makes sense for both of us. Both teams giving guys who don't play for guys who should play once traded.

2.) 21 Dec 2016 20:43:50
I kind of like Holmes, but I think MIn would look elsewhere.

I can definitely understand being low on Tyus, because I used to be too. And his stats are not going to impress anyone, but personally if I ran PHI, i would install Tyus this season.

The bar is set very low with Sergio and McConnell. I would hope Tyus could do better than them if he was given consistent minutes in a consistent role. He has certainly shown he can come up big when he has that role, and the pressure is on (Las Vegas, NCAA) . Mainly, I just think he'd be acheap way to invest in the development of the quality bigs, and not waste this season with Sergio and Mcconnell.

3.) 21 Dec 2016 21:12:16

Tyus would be an upgrade for philly. I'm just not sure he stay in the rotation past this season.

They have bayless and Simmons is supposedly going to play pg at the end of January. Not to mention this draft is almost an automatic that the sixers draft a top prospect at guard. I just don't know if jones will even be a factor for us in the long term but for the short term i'd do that deal for Holmes since he isn't playing at all regardless for the sixers. Couldn't hurt us. Helps both teams too.



15 Dec 2016 07:16:39
SAC GETS: Tyus Jones

MIN gambles on the upside of the 28th pick, in a position of need. He won't play for Thibs, but he could learn this year.

SAC gets a player at a position of need. The 24th pick the year before is still very young, but he's shown he can run an offense, and he's very clutch when he gets a chance (NCAA Championship, Las Vegas Summer League MVP) . With his age and contract, I think he is more valuable than any PG on the Kings going forward, plus if SAC drafts a PG next year, Tyus is an effective backup. Tyus won't get run in Minnesota.


1.) 15 Dec 2016 08:39:20
I see tyus as the backup after Rubio eventually gets traded. Dunn has had a tougher rookie year than most anticipated, but he will come around. By next year Rubio will be in a different uniform, and thus will get run.

2.) 16 Dec 2016 14:26:10
MOuse cop

What have you seen from Dunn to tell you he's ready to lead a team at pg? I'm curious because he's done nothing every time I watch them. I'm a sixers fan so I was high on Dunn but watching in the NBA he looks terrible. No jump shot. no defense. and he looks confused on offense half the time. Idk. I just don't see why anyone would think he's amazing based on this first quarter of the year. Not to mention he's 22 years old already. That's older then half the sixers team. It just seems like an old guy to have so many issues.



22 Jan 2016 14:26:22
CHI GETS: Kevin Martin + Adrien Payne + $9.4 mil in savings
MIN GETS: Noah (injured) + Bairstow (absorbed by TPE) + $3 mil cash + 2016 CHI 1st, Top 20 protected.

Why for CHI? The Bulls change zero production for Noah's payroll slot into the production of Martin and Payne. Hoiberg's offense needs more three-point shooting for spacing. The Bulls also make an additional $8.2 mil when picks used to get sold for $3 mil cash! Reinsdorf was one of the last owners to let his team go into the lux.

$5.2 mil payroll savings ($2.7 pro-rated)
$6.2 mil in lux taxes
$2.3 mil in getting lux share back
-$3.0 mil cash
$10.7 million dollars savings ($8.2 mil pro-rated)

Why for MIN? The pro-rated difference in the contracts would mean Taylor has to pay $2.7 mil more by doing this deal, but Reinsdorf is giving him $3 mil in cash! And in exchange for giving up the unneeded production this year of Martin and Payne, MIN gets a future 1st.


1.) 22 Jan 2016 15:23:29
Interesting, and something that has been rumored.
Anything CHI can now get for Noah is bonus, and Payne, Martin are solid return.
MIN may even profit from Noahs expirience and presence, if he is willing to be part of "kindergarten teachers club". (and reassures them they are not stick with martin next year in any case)
Only suggestion, to make deal more attractive to MIN is to put in better of CHI/ SAC pick (if CHI gets it anyway, but that is the point), I'm not sure how open would they be if protection is in place.



08 Jan 2016 19:35:39
This is primarily a financial deal, but the Bulls have approached the Wolves over Keven Martin, and seem eager to move Noah's $13.4 mil contract. Bulls are also $4.3 mil over the lux, and Jerry Reinsdorf hates to pay any lux taxes.

CHI GETS: Kevin Martin + Adrien Payne + $16 mil in savings
MIN GETS: Noah + McDermott (absorbed with Budinger TPE)

Why for CHI? I love what Noah has done in the past, but there is no way he can produce to match his $13.4 mil salary, even when he comes back from his shoulder injury. McDermott has been a bit of a disappointment, and is not a playoff veteran. CHI can use Martin as a spot up 3-point shooter (54% from three since Dec 1) and he won't have to create his own shot, which he struggles at these days,

Mostly, the deal is about taking Reinsdorf under the luxury tax

$6.7 mil payroll savings
$6.2 mil in lux taxes
$3.0? mil in getting lux share back
$16 million dollars

Even if Martin opted in and produced nothing next year, the Bulls are still making money here. Martin would be free, and any production is gravy.

Why for MIN? McBuckets is a prospect who's the right age to grow with the core - Martin isn't that guy. The Wolves don't need Noah, but his passion sets a great example that these kids could use right now. If he wants a buy out, that's fine. In the end, Taylor agrees to pay an extra $3.5 million pro-rated dollars, and it saves Reinsdorf about $13 million dollars, and that $3.5 changes Martin to McDermott.


1.) 08 Jan 2016 20:53:44
why would chicago do this? gibson=PF, Gasol=PF, Mirotich=PF, portis=PF. and barstow at Center? oké, Gasol can play center, but isn't his natural position.

2.) 08 Jan 2016 21:12:48
Pokkand1 actually Freddy plays Taj at center more than Jo, Since Noah's been out they've won six of seven and freed up minutes for bobby portis who could be big time sooner rather than later.



06 Jan 2016 14:52:36
Crazy thought: Outside of Ty Lawson, it's hard to come up with any viable options at PG to replace Jarrett Jack, and keep Shane Larkin from being the Nets starting PG. So here's a name that's way outside the box:

Bring Stephon Marbury back to Brooklyn

Marbury has actually been tearing it up in China, leading his team to championships. He's beloved there (they just opened a Marbury museum! ), and he seems to say all the right things about loving being in China.

On the other hand, Marbury's number one goal is to build his brand. I don't think he can do more in China, but a farewell tour in Brooklyn of all places would be sure to bring him a lot of attention.

I am not too familiar with the contract situation for players in Chinese basketball (anyone have good info? ), but I seem to remember it's more difficult to bring a player over. On the other hand,


1.) 06 Jan 2016 15:23:01
Personally i would love to see Marbury back in the league, i think he still has some gas in the tank left. but that being said i think that its highly unlikely that Brooklyn would go after him.

2.) 06 Jan 2016 16:50:48
I wouldn't mind a Marbury return, but the Nets really need a starting pg and Marbury can't offer that to the Nets.

3.) 06 Jan 2016 17:02:21
What about Baron Davis?

4.) 06 Jan 2016 19:57:54
Heck let's bring back John Stockton!




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15 Jan 2016 16:00:33
Rank these four young prospects by TRADE VALUE:

2017 #1 pick (Simmons? )


1.) 15 Jan 2016 17:45:26
Simmons (maybe its hype), Towns, KP/ Wiggins (don't know what to think about Wiggins, hopefully he becomes more P. George than D. Derozan; maybe at the moment I'd take Porzingis as safer pick for superstar)

2.) 15 Jan 2016 23:22:53
Tied Wiggins and porzingas.

3.) 16 Jan 2016 00:08:33
1. Simmons
2. Towns
3. Porzingis
4. Wiggins.



10 Dec 2015 16:58:02
Darren Wolfson ‏@DWolfsonKSTP
By the way, heard the Nets and Lakers are two of the teams that like Shabazz. He has fans. But Milt is not moving him anytime soon. #twolves

He looks so good offensively and on the glass when he gets minutes, but lacks continuity with the team with Wiggins, LaVine, and Martin (37 PTS last night) in front of him.

Can somebody make an offer for the guy that would change the GM's mind and get him traded someplace where his career can grow? I like his effort, and I'm feeling sorry for the guy.


1.) 11 Dec 2015 13:56:20
No one is going to make the offer you think he demands. Fact is you don't play him. You aren't going to get a prime offer because it's not taking away a necessary asset of your team. The problem is, you are so dillusional in your talent evaluation that until you get 2-3 1sts you won't think it's enough. Case in point, you barked up and down about how Martin is worth a 1st. Not based off performance. Not based off production. Based off you saying so. So until the wolves realize that everyone knows other teams values on their own assets and trades are based on that, no one will give the package dillusional fans such as yourself believe are warranted.

2.) 11 Dec 2015 19:25:51
By the ways, I also don't understand the statement that he looks so good on the glass. He is averaging 2 rebounds a game. Yes, he only plays 17 minutes a game, but last year he averaged only 22 minutes and was getting 4 rebounds a game. His performance thus far, while relatively efficient, doesn't warrant the type of package Minnesota's ownership wants. His play as a whole has been worse by far than last year. His steals, blocks, assists, rebounds are all significantly down. His turnovers and fouls are up. While it's true, he's averaging 17 minutes instead of 22, it doesn't explain why his numbers have declined to that extent.




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27 Jun 2017 00:51:09
Financially unsustainable. Maybe they can get one expensive guy.




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27 Jun 2017 00:49:11
I agree this is the type of deal MIN might consider.

Aldrich gets $7.3 mil this year, and a $6.9 mil team option ($2 mil guaranteed), so the contract isn't horrible, and BRK might even get some use out of the guy.

MIN can use more cap space.

You just need to find a different player.




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27 Jun 2017 00:45:01
MIN would not trade Rubio for the inferior Jackson.




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09 Jun 2017 21:18:49
Courtney Lee does not have positive trade value to Thibs. Because of his age, he was unwilling to offer him more than two guaranteed years last summer. the Knicks gave him four years, and Thibs would not want the back three years.

I don't believe Thibs wants Rose either, as their focus is developing Towns, Wiggins and LaVine, and Rose's focus would be Rose. At best, I think Thibs was doing Rose's agent a favor by getting his name out there, but I doubt he has any interest in truly adding him.




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11 May 2017 00:17:20
Why do we keep seeing trades where a sign-and-trade results in getting a pick back?

The new CBA has corrected that problem, and it's even worse here, because MIN has the cap space to offer Griffin a contract without giving up a lottery pick!





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