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17 Feb 2016 03:02:38
Magic trade and offseason
Clips-Magic
Magic get; Stephenson (waive), Wilcox, 2nd rd pick
Clips get: Frye, Napier
Sign- Kent Bazemore 4 yr 72 Mil
Resign-Jennings 4 yr 40 Mil
Resign- Jason Smith 2 yr 10 Mil
Resign- Fournier 4 yr 40 Mil
Sign- Stoudemire 1 yr 3 Mil
Jennings/ Payton/ Watson
Oladipo/ Fournier/ Wilcox
Bazemore/ Hezonja/ Marble
Gordon/ Ilyasova/ Stoudemire
Vucevic/ Smith/ Dedmon.
16 Feb 2016 22:11:40
Magic-Knicks-Wolves
Knicks get: Rubio, Napier, Bjelica, Dedmon
Rubio/ Grant/ Napier
Afflalo/ Galloway/
Anthony/ Bjelica/ Ealy
Porzingis/ Williams/ Amundson
Lopez/ Dedmon/ Porzingis
Wolves get: Payton, Quinn, Calderon, Nicholson, Thomas, Marble,1st rd pick from Orl,2nd rd pick from NYK
Payton/ Calderon/ Miller
LaVine/ Prince/ Rudez
Wiggins/ Muhammed/ Marble
Quinn/ Thomas/ Nicholson
Towns/ Garnett/ Pekovic
Magic get: Dieng, Martin, Seraphin, T. Jones, Vujacic
Jennings/ Watson/ Jones
Oladipo/ Fournier/ Vujacic
Gordon/ Hezonja/ Martin
Dieng/ Frye/ Gordon
Vucevic/ Smith/ Seraphin.
1.) 16 Feb 2016 23:02:34
This is terrible for Minnesota.
16 Feb 2016 00:56:08
Magic-Hawks-Rockets
Magic get: Harden, Millsap, Scott, THJ, Harrell, Holiday
Hawks get: Howard, Harris, Payton, Marble, McDaniels, Montejunas,
1st rd pick top 5 protected-Orl, Lakers '18 pick
Rockers get: Horford, Teague, Frye, Nicholson, Lakers '17 pick rom Magic and 1st rd pick this year from Orl, Fournier
Hawks
Schroder/ Payton/ Mack
Korver/ Patterson
Bazemore/ Sefolosha/ Marble
Harris/ Montejunas/ Muscala
Howard/ Splitter/ Tavares
Rockets
Teague/ Lawson/ Terry
Fournier/ Beverly/ Dekker
Harris/ Ariza/ Thornton
Frye/ Jones/ Nicholson
Horford/ Capela/ Josh Smith
Magic
Oladipo/ Watson/ Napier
Harden/ THJ/ Appling
Gordon/ Hezonja/ Holiday
Millsap/ Scott/ Harrell
Vucevic/ Jason Smith.
1.) 16 Feb 2016 01:16:11
Dude, seriously. You have the magic trading their 1st from this year. Twice. And the lakers 18 pick. And the 17 pick, which they don't have. On top of that all you give is Harris frye and Payton.
It's just ridiculous. You have to trade real players and actual assets and picks to get good players. This is just getting more and more absurd.
Even better, you think that nonsense gets not only harden. But then milsap and like 7 others?
Please think these through before writing nonsense.
2.) 16 Feb 2016 01:27:22
Magic say no.
3.) 16 Feb 2016 01:42:15
knicksalltheway, the magic DO have the lakers '17 and '18 pick and i think all of the other teams would say yes and orlando might say no. So stop being biased toward Orlando getting good players and not your terrible knicks.
4.) 16 Feb 2016 01:43:38
knicksalltheway, your comment is absurd and probably the worst comment ever!
I'm totally with you Oldskoolmagic and i think orlando is giving up too much.
5.) 16 Feb 2016 02:34:06
How would Orlando be giving up to much. They get the 2 best players in this deal in harden and millsap. No way the Rockets would do this trade.
6.) 16 Feb 2016 02:34:11
Are you kidding me kbpg? They have the 18 lakers 1st. If the lakers don't convey the 1st to the sixers by 17 due to protections, it turns to 2 seconds. Most likely it is a 2019 pick.
You claim somehow they bypassed the cba and got back to back 1sts?
On top of that. He has the magic trading two first from this year. Learn to read dude.
I'm still amazed that you claim Wiggins is overrated but vucevic is the 4th best in the league.
I'm not upset the Knicks aren't getting players. It's just hysterical you guys are offering 2 firsts from this year when you have 1. And back to back lakers picks. When you have 1 pick in 18. Which possibly turns to just 2 seconds.
Learn your teams assets. Both of you. Before you start making trades. Because even if they do make sense value wise. You don't own that value.
Example. Knicks trade Lopez and lebron James and they get durant and harden. IT MAKES NO SENSE.
15 Feb 2016 22:12:35
Magic-Rockets-Heat
Miami get: Howard, Frye, Thornton, Dedmon
Rockets get: Whiteside, Harris, Deng, Anderson, Fournier, Haslem,1st rd pick top 5 protected from Orl
Magic get: Harden, McRoberts, Stokes, McDaniels, Harrell
Heat
Dragic/ Udrih/ Johnson
Wade/ Green/ Richardson
Winslow/ Thornton
Bosh/ Frye/ Stoudemire
Howard/ Dedmon
Rockets
Beverly/ Lawson/ Terry
Fournier/ Brewer/ Dekker
Deng/ Ariza/ Haslem
Harris/ Jones/ Montejunas
Whiteside/ Capela/ Anderson
Magic
Payton/ Watson/ Napier
Oladipo/ Hezonja/ Marble
Harden/ McDaniels
Gordon/ Harrell/ Stokes
Vucevic/ Smith/ McRoberts.
1.) 16 Feb 2016 01:33:57
I don't see how you realistically believe you get harden for frye and Harris. And here's the kicker. For arguably a top 10 player in the league. You throw in a first. But it has to be top 5 protected. Lol. Seriously, no.
15 Feb 2016 19:54:29
Magic-Bucks
Magic get; Giannis, Mayo, Vasquez, Copeland, Inglis, Bayless
Bucks get; Harris, Payton, Fournier, Napier, Dedmon,1st rd pick top 5 protected
Giannis can play the point guard for Orlando
Giannis/ Watson/ Vasquez
Oladipo/ Bayless/ Marble
Hezonja/ Mayo/ Inglis
Gordon/ Frye/ Copeland
Vucevic/ Smith/ Nicholson.
1.) 15 Feb 2016 20:05:05
Lol. Giannis at the PG? That's a stretch lol. He can dribble for a big guy, yes. But not against smaller guys.
2.) 15 Feb 2016 20:14:56
If you'd make pick unprotected and put hezonja instead fournier, we could start talking.
3.) 15 Feb 2016 20:47:33
realEAST, how about adding the lakers '17 pick but keeping fournier and the protected pick in there. I just think that the magic won't give up on Hezonja so early.
4.) 15 Feb 2016 21:04:48
The lakers pick at best is a 18 pick given their record. And potentially 2 seconds. Hardly a big incentive to make this move.
5.) 15 Feb 2016 21:20:13
I agree that Orlando is having some great pieces who just can't fit together but I can't see them making such a big move yet with so much questions over Hezonja and Gordon. Personally, I see them as their starting SG and PF for the future but I would rather cut the playoff hopes and focus on some smaller deals until summer just to get a clearer picture of who are actually the odd men there. So, unless they cannot trade for a star which is highly unlikely atm, trade away Fournier (I'm afraid that he is going to sign offer sheet not worth matching in free agency) and Frye for some future assets and expiring/ rookie contracts to free more minutes for younger guys until end of the season and get some more cap space. Then start adjusting roaster through free agency. Their other assets (Harris/ Oladipo/ Peyton/ Vucevich) shouldn't drop their value until they are aware who is exactly odd man there and what kind of player they actually need.
6.) 15 Feb 2016 21:20:26
Magic want a star player not a bunch of good players.
7.) 15 Feb 2016 21:32:11
Nor should they, that's exactly why I am asking for him.
8.) 16 Feb 2016 02:06:11
No way bucks move gianniss.
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15 Feb 2016 19:21:06
Andrew Wiggins is sort of Overrated.
1.) 16 Feb 2016 00:59:39
Agreed, all he does is put up 20 points that don't even lead to a win for his team.
2.) 16 Feb 2016 01:38:51
Hahah and yet you both claim herzoja who puts up 5 is the second coming of Jordan. Get out of here.
3.) 16 Feb 2016 19:46:42
On top of this, kbpg said Vuceivic is the 4th best center in the entire league. Seriously.
14 Feb 2016 19:41:33
Which player does the Orlando Magic need? Comment down below.
1.) 14 Feb 2016 19:57:02
Better defending C, ideally young one, everything else will fall in place with time: Payton-Oladipo-Hezonja-Gordon-PLAYER (trade Vuc and Harris to get him, my suggestion, just don't know who, I suggested earlier one three team trade to get M. Turner, but it was a bit of a strech; Cousins also not realistic target in my opinion, at least before off season) . Also, maybe DeAndre Jordan in offseason, or some three team trades to get Noel or WCS.
2.) 14 Feb 2016 20:00:43
Yeah, the other issue is you are falling in line with the sixers in banking on all prospects developing. you have 4 prospects in that starting line up. I really don't know if any of them are going to develop into a franchise player. What the magic need to do, is like realeast said, get a good center that actually plays defense. On top of this, they NEED to bring in veterans who can bring something to the game. Otherwise, its just waiting for their prospects to develop, which eventually leads to them leaving when they are off their rookie contract.
3.) 14 Feb 2016 20:09:29
what about a whiteside-vucevic combo.
4.) 14 Feb 2016 20:51:40
Neither can play pf. And white sides blocks come at the expense of team defense. He would need vucevic to make up for that and he can't. Wouldn't be a match.
5.) 15 Feb 2016 12:50:00
A good leader Pg and a defensive center to balance Gordon and Harris offense.
6.) 15 Feb 2016 14:26:33
Agreed on the lineup being too young. Would recommend some transitional veterans in their mid-late 20s. They don't need to be studs, just solid professionals.
7.) 15 Feb 2016 15:09:53
What do you think about something like this
ORL-IND
Turner, Ellis
Vucevic, Oladipo, option to swap picks this or next season
ORL-SAC-BOS
Cauley-Stein, Bradley, Sullinger
Oladipo
Vucevic
First scenario gives them a better C
In second a D first Center and some depth beyond this season for a good core of Payton, Bradley, Fournier, Hezonja, Harris, Gordon Sullinger, WCS, Deadomond and lottery pick.
14 Feb 2016 16:56:09
Top 10 Rookies' Potential
1. Karl-Anthony Towns
2. Kristaps Porzingis
3. Mario Hezonja
4. Devin Booker
5. Myles Turner
6. D'Angelo Russell
7. WCS
8. Jahlil Okafor
9. Nikola Jokic
10. Justice Winslow.
1.) 14 Feb 2016 18:01:40
Im assuming you put Hezonja at 3 because you are a clear Magic fan, because otherwise, that's just ridiculous. Dude is 20th among rookies in scoring. I mean, come on, Boban scores more than him and plays half the minutes.
1) Towns
2) Porzingis
3) Turner
4) Booker
5) Okafor
6) Russell
7) Jokic
8) Winslow
9) Mudiay
10) Jokic
11) WCS
12) Hezonja
Seriously. you can't blast people for being homers and then post that ridiculousness. Top 3?
There have been multiple redrafts thrown out there based on what experts have seen, and in almost all of them, Hezonja has moved down, closer to late lottery. I believe the best I've seen so far is staying in the same spot.
I'm not huge on Okafor, but to say Hezonja is 5 spots ahead of him on potential in the NBA. yeah, no.
2.) 14 Feb 2016 18:48:38
Truth be told, Hezonja is very talented, and his improvement is impressive. WCS doesn't have that much of an upside without being bale to develop on off. Same goes for Winslow. Where is Stanley Johnson?
Towns, Zinger are clearly top prospects, and then there are similarly talented players which are hard to differentiate (some got more chances, some end up in better situation and showed talent earlier. ) Mudiay, Jokic, Hezonja, Johnson, Turner, Booker, Okafor, Russell all similar. And than Winslow and WCS. That's how I'd put it.
3.) 14 Feb 2016 19:31:57
knicksalltheway, its not about what he is doing now it is what his potential is. realEAST yeah i like your rankings too.
4.) 14 Feb 2016 19:56:00
Yes, i'm aware. And potential is based off what they produce now and using that to gauge where they will be in the future. Fact is, no analyst has him in the top 5, let alone number 3. Players like booker, turner, porzingis, towns are all WAY ahead of him now, and where every analyst projects them to be. Fact.
5.) 14 Feb 2016 20:01:53
And they were drafted based on projections and stat translation and predictions, so that's why those early post draft projections aren't always precise (especially in Hezonja's case, who improved a lot since season begun, and is posting much better numbers in last month or so. If projections were made on that basis, he would return to top 7,8 at least) .
6.) 14 Feb 2016 20:52:47
Realeast. Check out stats of rookies. He is nowhere near top 10. PER of 9. Averaging what, 5/ 1/ 1? Just doesn't equate.
7.) 14 Feb 2016 21:40:47
I know, been watching him closely, had my own doubts, but recently has been very good more consistently, not just in flashes as before. Also getting much more minutes recently. He might finish on a high.
8.) 15 Feb 2016 04:23:22
Face the fact knicksalltheway, Mario Hezonja is going to be a star.
9.) 15 Feb 2016 12:57:19
1. Towns
2. Porzingis
3. Mudiay
4. Hezonja
5. Okafor
6. Turner
7. Booker
8. Winslow
9. Russell
10. Johnson.
10.) 15 Feb 2016 13:19:12
Lol, a star eh? Kinda jumping the gun on 5pts and a 9 per? Just like vucevic is the 4th best center in the nba. And the magic declined butler for that package. I think you'd be better waiting on stuff to actually happen instead of staking claim in fantasy projects lol
Star. at 5 pts a game. Come on man.
11.) 15 Feb 2016 16:41:01
knicksalltheway, what was Draymond green's stats in his 1st season huh? (2.9 points) What was Kawhi Leonards's stats? About 7 points per game. Kobe Bryant's average was about 7 points per game so i don't think the first season of the players career shows what they will become in the future.
12.) 15 Feb 2016 18:45:25
Oh please. Don't compare his game to 3 elite defenders. If your expectations are he turns into a top 10 player in the league you are crazy.
13.) 15 Feb 2016 19:20:07
kawhi averaged 8pts, 5 boards AND 1.3 steals aka elite defense
Green averaged all around game, even today, only averaging 15pts. he has a FAR more diverse game than herzoja
Bryant, if you want to compare him to kobe. good luck. but the big thing with kobe was again, diverse talents AND he also, even in just 15 minutes, got to the line over 3 times as much as herzoja.
if you really feel he is going to be a hall of fame level talent, that's good. just very few agree with you outside the orlando local gazette.
14.) 15 Feb 2016 19:25:13
Kobe was an elite defender?
15.) 15 Feb 2016 19:44:21
Agree, inconsistent defense is main reason he didn't play much, but he is picking it up now. Not to say he is going to be elite, but above average defender he can be.
I'd compare him with klay thompson, but slightly worse defender eventually.
16.) 16 Feb 2016 02:37:21
Probably not airjordan. I mean, he was only all defensive team 12 times. 9 of them being 1st team.
Seems pretty mediocre.
Any other intelligent arguments or do you want to just end on that lovely comment?
17.) 18 Feb 2016 05:24:11
Knicks all the way. Man, Its never set in stone who will be a superstar in the future due to injury but when ranking players based off potential that's what you look for potential I don't care if hezonja is getting 5 a game with a 9 per Steve Nash averaged 3pts and 2ast in his rookie season. And I go list some top players who struggled has rookies.
14 Feb 2016 04:14:25
Orlando Magic NEED Nerlens Noel.
1.) 14 Feb 2016 15:01:47
How badly do you want him? Make an offer.
2.) 15 Feb 2016 00:07:23
His offers are along the lines of frye and a second for Noel. Don't even try Philly, it's worthless.
3.) 15 Feb 2016 14:31:49
Yea. If you want a young player to fill a big whole that's hard to get in the draft, then you'll have to pay up a bit. Personally, I think its easier to get smalls in the draft than bigs. He wants a big (Noel) he'll have to offer something he doesn't want to give up like Hezonja and a pick.
This league is littered with teams that made mistakes by too easily trading a big for a small. The Celtics have specialized in getting bigs that way over the years.
4.) 16 Feb 2016 02:38:25
Hah Philly. He actually posted a trade of Noel for frye and a future second. He claimed frye was a great fit. Lol.
5.) 17 Feb 2016 13:02:19
That wouldn't be an awful concept, if Frye was 5 years younger.
10 Feb 2016 03:02:07
Top 20 Unrestricted FA and where they will go (No player Options)
1. Kevin Durant 4 yr Max Lakers
2. Al Horford 4 yr 107 Mil Magic
3. Hassan Whiteside 4 yr Max Lakers
4. Mike Conley 4 yr 80 Mil Knicks
5. Nic Batum 3 yr 58 Mil Thunder
6. Dwayne Wade 3 yr 45 Mil Heat
7. Rajon Rondo 3 yr 42 Mil Nets
8. Al Jefferson 2 yr 20 Mil Mavericks
9. Joakim Noah 3 yr 27 Mil Hawks
10. Ryan Anderson 3 yr 33 Mil Pistons
11. Luol Deng 2 yr 18 Mil Clippers
12. Joe Johnson 1 yr 10 Mil Hawks
13. Zaza Pachulia 2 yr 14 Mil Mavericks
14. Brandon Jennings 1 yr 6 Mil Pelicans
15. Evan Turner 1 yr 4 Mil Thunder
16. Jeff Green 2 yr 13 Mil Grizz
17. Jamal Crawford 2 yr 10 Mil Suns
18. Roy Hibbert 3 yr 18 Mil Hornets
19. Eric Gordon 2 yr 12 Mil Lakers
20. Timofey Mozgov 1 yr 8 Mil Bucks.
1.) 10 Feb 2016 03:56:29
As much as I would love durant, pretty much no shot at getting him.
2.) 10 Feb 2016 14:42:54
Unless the Lakers make a trade, there's no reason for them to complicate their situation further by acquiring Eric Gordon.
Didn't realize Rondo was a UFA. That franchise is a grease fire. The Sixers having their 1st round pick might prove to be more valuable than the LA pick the Sixers have.
17 Feb 2016 22:13:09
Such a cavs fan.
17 Feb 2016 12:34:32
Orlando is not going to trade any of fournier-oladipo-payton-gordon-hezonja-vucevic. hennigan stated that in his press conference.
15 Feb 2016 22:13:43
Good trade but i'd probably with Oladipo with a s&T fournier and offer another 1st rd pick.
15 Feb 2016 19:13:23
No, just Orlando needs to trade him because he is not a good fit in the system.
15 Feb 2016 18:35:43
don't forget that paul is a free agent next year.
15 Feb 2016 19:25:13
Kobe was an elite defender?
15 Feb 2016 16:41:01
knicksalltheway, what was Draymond green's stats in his 1st season huh? (2.9 points) What was Kawhi Leonards's stats? About 7 points per game. Kobe Bryant's average was about 7 points per game so i don't think the first season of the players career shows what they will become in the future.
15 Feb 2016 04:23:22
Face the fact knicksalltheway, Mario Hezonja is going to be a star.
14 Feb 2016 20:09:29
what about a whiteside-vucevic combo.
14 Feb 2016 19:31:57
knicksalltheway, its not about what he is doing now it is what his potential is. realEAST yeah i like your rankings too.