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07 Jul 2018 16:51:24
Andrew Wiggins to Orlando for Evan Fournier and Wesley Iwundu.

carl006

1.) 07 Jul 2018 17:32:40
Orlando says yes in a minute but I doubt Minny would do this.


2.) 07 Jul 2018 18:36:40
I feel like almost impossible for Minnesota to move Wiggins right now. The guy has the talent to be a great player and has shown he can score, but there are so many questions about his game that they're not going to get a decent return out of him. I'm not sure you could justify taking an offer like this for him, but they probably couldn't do better than this.


3.) 07 Jul 2018 19:28:50
I like it so it won't happen.


4.) 07 Jul 2018 20:14:39
This would make Orlando’s 3 point shooting become 100% nonexistent lol.


 

 

06 Jul 2018 00:53:10
Minnesota-Cleveland

Wiggins, Gibson, and Teague for Love, Korver, and Hill.

carl006

1.) 06 Jul 2018 02:51:33
I'd pass on Wiggins on a max deal. Especially if it meant having to take on an extra year of Teague. They can buy out Hill if they don't want to trade him for bad salary. He only has a million guaranteed after this coming season.


2.) 06 Jul 2018 02:53:21
I think wolves could do better with that package.


3.) 06 Jul 2018 14:09:45
rkenne_16 - Teague can opt out after this season.


 

 

04 Jul 2018 14:57:42
New Butler to Philadelphia trade idea.

Philadelphia gets Butler and Taj Gibson.

Butler is one of the best two way players in the league and Gibson can backup the 4/ 5 at a good rate. A starting lineup of Fultz, Butler, Simmons, Saric, and Embiid would make things interesting in the East.

Minnesota gets Wilson Chandler, Robert Covington, TLC, and Miami's 2021 1st.

Lineup of Teague, Wiggings, Chandler, Covington, and Towns' might be able to complete for playoff spot in West. TLC can improve depth and fits better with Minnesota's timeline. Miami's 2021 1st could be quite good. Minnesota moves to outlast teams like Golden State, Houston, and the Lakers as they get older.

carl006

1.) 04 Jul 2018 15:22:33
Sixers say yes. Salaries match up real well. Covington, Chandler, TLC combine for about $27 million. Gibson and Butler combine for $33 million. Maybe sixers through in Holmes to get the salaries even closer. Good idea.


2.) 04 Jul 2018 15:31:48
Sixers would jump at that, but Thibs is no dope and would give it a hard no. Covington is a slightly above average player and the rest of the package is worthless. Adding Gibson just makes the deal even more one-sided.


3.) 04 Jul 2018 15:49:50
supercollider: Miamis unprotected 2021 is worthless? First time I heard that take on an unprotected future first. Glad boston got those "worthless" unprotected future 1sts from the Nets a few years back.


4.) 04 Jul 2018 17:59:00
I think the Wolves could get more value if they didn’t aim for draft picks. Draft pick prices are kind of inflated since half the league is tanking.


 

 

03 Jul 2018 22:43:55
If Jimmy Butler is unhappy with Wiggins and Towns, I think Philadelphia would be a good destination.

So, Philadelphia gets Jimmy Butler.

Minnesota gets Miami's 2021 1st, TLC, Wilson Chandler, and either Saric or Covington (although with Covington, Minnesota would have to add another salary to make it work) .

Might be too much, as Butler is expiring. But Butler would put Philadelphia on a more even field with Boston.

carl006

1.) 03 Jul 2018 22:49:26
I think Chandler, Saric and Philly’s 2019 1st + Miami’s 2021 1st works.

I see Butler as a step below Kawhi, and you only give up Covington in a deal for him.


2.) 04 Jul 2018 03:51:29
I think Philly would do it for Covington, TLC, Miami's unprotected 2021 #1.


 

 

30 Jun 2018 12:21:19
Pat Riley expressed interest in Andrew Wiggins earlier this year. So here are a couple trade ideas.

Trade option 1:
Minnesota gets Porter
Washington gets Whiteside
Miami gets Wiggins

All three teams shake it up a little.

Trade option 2:
Miami gets Teague and Wiggins
Minnesota gets Dragic, Winslow, and Tyler Johnson.

Miami gets the guy Riley wants and a replacement PG, who is younger than Dragic.

Minnesota gets an upgrade at PG and creates a 2 year window to compete with Dragic (both Dragic and Johnson are likely to opt in to their contracts for the 19-20 season, in my opinion) . Minnesota would also only have 1 year of cap hell to deal with.

carl006

1.) 30 Jun 2018 14:43:09
Value wise Porter > Wiggins > Whiteside.


2.) 30 Jun 2018 16:05:13
xxx - I agree. But rumor has it Washington wants to move on from Porter, and with the Gortat-Rivers swap, they could use a center like Whiteside. That would allow Oubre to get more playing time.

Miami moves on from Whiteside and gets a player Riley seems to like.

Minnesota gets a guy in Porter who does the things they need Wiggins to do, but doesn't (play a little D and shoot) . Plus, his contract ends two years earlier than Wiggins (or three if he opts out of last year) .


 

 

 

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01 Jul 2018 16:30:41
Now that Minnesota has re-signed Rose, I think they should do the same with Bjelica.

And as much as I would like for them to move Wiggins, I just don't see it happening.

One free agent I would like them to bring in is James Ennis. More of a 3 who can also play small ball 4, would be a nice addition for the Wolves.

Drafting Okogie and KBD, re-signing Rose and Bjelica, and bringing in Ennis would go a long way to improving Minnesota's bench.

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30 Apr 2018 15:20:57
What do you think is a realistic trade for Andrew Wiggins? I know he probably has some value, given his age and potential upside that is still there. But his contract and lack of improvement have hurt him. But he has proven that he can be a lead scorer and sometimes plays good defense.

A few teams that he could be traded to:

Miami, but only as part of a complex three or more team trade
Charlotte, maybe in a swap for Batum, since they have equally bad contracts, but Charlotte would have to offer Minnesota something because of Batum's injury concern.
New York, they are always looking for a star type player, and Wiggins, even with his issues, is close to a star level player.
Brooklyn, would give them a ready made lead scorer and young talent, since they have not had their top pick for 3 years and have missed out on a lot of top level young talent
Orlando, both Wiggins and Orlando might need a fresh start
Sacramento, they could use a go to scorer and Wiggins can be that


What do you think?

carl006

1.) 30 Apr 2018 15:51:37
I think it might be hard for Minnesota to get equal value back for him, but teams that could make some sense imo are Detroit, Miami, New Orleans, Indy, and Portland.

Detroit could offer Griffin or find a 3 way trade for Drummond.
Miami could offer something like Winslow, Richardson and Olynyk.
New Orleans could offer Hill, Mirotic and maybe some combination of picks and younger players.
Indy could offer some cap savings, picks and role players.
Portland could offer McCollum, but would probably need more back than just Wiggins.


2.) 01 May 2018 00:55:40
How about just hold on to him and fire thibedou then trade jimmy for a 3 point shooter and a pick cause jimmy is not staying in Minnesota and if he does that team is a first round exit every time but if you trade Wiggins what incentive does kat have to stay. butler for Mccollum something along that.


 

 

17 May 2017 14:37:00
If Minnesota wanted to trade Wiggins, how high of a pick to you think they could get in this years draft?

carl006

1.) 17 May 2017 14:46:44
1st overall plus more.


2.) 17 May 2017 17:23:54
Um. no rkenne. just no.

Wiggins is starting to look like far less than what people made him out to be. The problem is, while he is a pretty solid scorer, at this point, that appears to be it. He is actually a negative on the defensive end. He doesn't rebound particularly well and he isn't much of a passer.

And he is already completed his third year. I don't know how much more complete of a player he will become. If he was in this draft and you knew this is where he would be after year 3, I see him going 3-7.

Absolutely not worth the 1st overall and more. Just stop.


3.) 17 May 2017 22:56:47
Wiggins hasn't been and doesn't project to be the heir to Lebron like some projected him to be coming out of Kansas and has been considerably worse on the defensive end than many thought but dude is still only 22 and one of the top prospects in the league. He has been extremely healthy (playing in all but one game in his first 3 years) and has scored over 20 ppg his past two seasons. He also made a big jump this past season improving his 3pt % from 30% to a respectable 35.6%. Issue is he doesn't do much else besides scoring with only 4 double doubles in his entire career.

I see no reason why Twolves would want to trade Wiggins for a pick in this years draft but for point of reference Jackson has been heavily compared to him and many regard him as 2nd or 3rd best prospect in the draft. You have to factor in the unknown factor (Jackson could be better than expected or much worse than expected) and the contract situation as well as the adjustment period and age in the value. If Wiggins was in this draft I think he'd be minimally #4 pick and maybe as high as #2 behind Fultz due to the increasing importance of point guards and shooters in today's game.

However, for it to make sense for Twolves to trade him they'd want #1 plus more since Twolves already have a promising team and with KAT they don't need Wiggins to be the next Lebron for them to be successful. There is always the risk that whomever they trade him for is not as good (Wiggins has been pretty darn good thus far) or worst a complete bust so they'd have to be compensated for that.

I'm not sure Celtics would be willing to do that (although maybe they would since Wiggins could help them to win right now and still keep the future bright while Fultz it remains to be seen if he can have an immediate impact) .


 

 

13 Apr 2017 15:45:04
Timberwolves off season.

Pek takes a medical retirement so his salary doesn't count for next year.
Waive Jordan Hill and his non guaranteed contract for next year.
Let Rush, Muhammad, Payne, and Casspi leave via free agency.

Trade Andrew Wiggins, Cole Aldrich, and no 6 (or 7) pick to Chicago for Jimmy Butler and 15 (or 16) pick.

Sign Serge Ibaka to a max deal and Andre Roberson to a deal.

Rubio/ Jones
LaVine/ Dunn
Butler/ Roberson
Ibaka/ Bjelica
Towns/ Deing.

carl006

1.) 13 Apr 2017 16:46:12
The rest of the core fits wiggins time line. His ceiling is probably higher than Butler's. I'm not sure if they trade Wiggins for Butler straight up let alone adding the pick.


2.) 14 Apr 2017 01:14:13
Trading Wiggins for Butler could make some sense but I wouldn't give up Twolves pick too (I don't think Bulls pick justifies it since big drop-off in talent after 11 imo) . I'd swap LaVine in for Wiggins and potentially do this trade. I believe Bulls wanted LaVine and pick that end up as Dunn for Butler last summer so maybe it could work. Losing LaVine's shooting will hurt a lot tho especially with Rubio and Dunn both poor 3pt shooters although Wiggins improved to a respectable 36% this season. I could see Thibs however pushing hard to get his man Butler back.

If I'm Twolves I'd probably just stick with what they have especially when Issac or worst case Markkanen will be available with their lotto pick. Issac would be a scary pf on the team with his versatility and ability to stretch the floor and play defense.


 

 

18 Jan 2017 03:04:06
I don't want Minnesota to trade Rubio, but Thibs seems hell bent on doing so. Sacramento seems the likely destination.

So, Sacramento gets Ricky Rubio and Shabazz Muhammad.

Minnesota gets Darren Collison, Anthony Tolliver, Malachi Richardson, and a future 1st round pick.

carl006

1.) 18 Jan 2017 12:13:20
I think Sacramento would only offer R Gay and Collison.


2.) 18 Jan 2017 16:03:17
They could offer McLemore too


3.) 18 Jan 2017 16:04:53
I'd like to see this
Twolves get Afflalo, Collison, and McLemore
Kings get Rubio and Muhammad


 

 

 

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17 Jul 2018 12:22:37
USB - Minnesota waived Aldrich a couple weeks ago. And why is Minnesota giving up a 1st round pick? Makes no sense for Minnesota.

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15 Jul 2018 20:37:44
He's played what, 15 games in the NBA. Give him time.

How many three's has Simmons made?

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15 Jul 2018 16:03:28
Btec. Rose is a terrible three point shooter. A few playoff games doesn't change his career numbers.

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15 Jul 2018 14:53:11
Problem with any deal with Butler, I can't see Thibs trading him. However, Fultz could remind Thibs of young Derrick Rose, and he would love Covington's defense.

I think Minnesota would try to get Miami's 2021 1st in the deal.

If I am Minnesota, I think I want just a little bit from. Maybe a future 1st and TLC for wing depth.

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14 Jul 2018 16:29:00
Minnesota doesn't even have the cap space to make this work.

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