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10 May 2018 14:47:07
Simple trade.

Atlanta gets 20th pick and Gorgui Dieng

Minnesota gets DeAndre Bembry and either pick 30 or 33

Atlanta gets a higher pick plus a decent center in case they choose not to draft one with their top pick.

Minnesota gets cap relief and a rotational wing.

carl006

1.) 10 May 2018 16:20:50
Dieng has an enormous salary with no production. Wolves would be on their knees to get Bembry without the added second. Noah is a better deal by comparison.


2.) 10 May 2018 16:59:38
Really, have you actually looked at the numbers? Dieng is actually a productive player. And enormous salary? While not the best, he is a better player than Plumblee, who nearly makes the same.


3.) 10 May 2018 18:05:47
Dieng salary outweighs anything he has done on the court. On the books for 16-18 mil until 2021. Picks can unload him, or bad salary in return. Add another late 1st and this deal works.


 

 

09 May 2018 16:01:39
Trade idea from someone on the Wolves SB Nation page.

Atlanta gets Andrew Wiggins and Gorgui Dieng

Minnesota gets Kent Bazemore, Taurean Waller-Prince, Miles Plumlee, and return of Minnesota's 1st round pick (19th I think).

carl006

1.) 09 May 2018 16:56:02
Call me crazy but I wouldn't do Prince for Wiggins straight up.


2.) 09 May 2018 22:43:59
Wiggens over paid.


 

 

08 May 2018 15:02:53
This is based on two of the posts down, with Minnesota and Toronto and a third team (either Milwaukee or Sacramento). Here is my version.

Toronto gets Wiggins, Hield, Teague, 7th pick and Shumpert (to make contracts work)
Sacramento gets DeRozen and Dieng
Minnesota gets Lowry and Miles

Maybe some other small pieces needed to be added.

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07 Apr 2018 19:09:06
Minnesota gets Buddy Hield and Justin Jackson.

Sacramento gets Andrew Wiggins.


Minnesota gets Hield, who will be a better fit next to Butler, and Jackson, who could be a nice role player off the bench. Also saves cap space.

Sacramento gets a potential star player in Wiggins, who can also be their go to scorer (something they lack). Also keep own 1st round pick to add another potential star.

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31 Mar 2018 15:04:50
Rumor had it that Pat Riley might be interested in aquiring Andrew Wiggins. If Minnesota was interested in moving Wiggins, what would a trade look like?

I can't see Minnesota wanting Whiteside or either Johnson, and I don't think Miami can trade a future 1st for several years.

I think Richardson and Winslow would interest Minnesota.

What do you think?

carl006

1.) 31 Mar 2018 15:51:26
Without a third team, it's hard to imagine a trade that works for both teams.


 

 

 

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30 Apr 2018 15:20:57
What do you think is a realistic trade for Andrew Wiggins? I know he probably has some value, given his age and potential upside that is still there. But his contract and lack of improvement have hurt him. But he has proven that he can be a lead scorer and sometimes plays good defense.

A few teams that he could be traded to:

Miami, but only as part of a complex three or more team trade
Charlotte, maybe in a swap for Batum, since they have equally bad contracts, but Charlotte would have to offer Minnesota something because of Batum's injury concern.
New York, they are always looking for a star type player, and Wiggins, even with his issues, is close to a star level player.
Brooklyn, would give them a ready made lead scorer and young talent, since they have not had their top pick for 3 years and have missed out on a lot of top level young talent
Orlando, both Wiggins and Orlando might need a fresh start
Sacramento, they could use a go to scorer and Wiggins can be that


What do you think?

carl006

1.) 30 Apr 2018 15:51:37
I think it might be hard for Minnesota to get equal value back for him, but teams that could make some sense imo are Detroit, Miami, New Orleans, Indy, and Portland.

Detroit could offer Griffin or find a 3 way trade for Drummond.
Miami could offer something like Winslow, Richardson and Olynyk.
New Orleans could offer Hill, Mirotic and maybe some combination of picks and younger players.
Indy could offer some cap savings, picks and role players.
Portland could offer McCollum, but would probably need more back than just Wiggins.


2.) 01 May 2018 00:55:40
How about just hold on to him and fire thibedou then trade jimmy for a 3 point shooter and a pick cause jimmy is not staying in Minnesota and if he does that team is a first round exit every time but if you trade Wiggins what incentive does kat have to stay. butler for Mccollum something along that.


 

 

17 May 2017 14:37:00
If Minnesota wanted to trade Wiggins, how high of a pick to you think they could get in this years draft?

carl006

1.) 17 May 2017 14:46:44
1st overall plus more.


2.) 17 May 2017 17:23:54
Um. no rkenne. just no.

Wiggins is starting to look like far less than what people made him out to be. The problem is, while he is a pretty solid scorer, at this point, that appears to be it. He is actually a negative on the defensive end. He doesn't rebound particularly well and he isn't much of a passer.

And he is already completed his third year. I don't know how much more complete of a player he will become. If he was in this draft and you knew this is where he would be after year 3, I see him going 3-7.

Absolutely not worth the 1st overall and more. Just stop.


3.) 17 May 2017 22:56:47
Wiggins hasn't been and doesn't project to be the heir to Lebron like some projected him to be coming out of Kansas and has been considerably worse on the defensive end than many thought but dude is still only 22 and one of the top prospects in the league. He has been extremely healthy (playing in all but one game in his first 3 years) and has scored over 20 ppg his past two seasons. He also made a big jump this past season improving his 3pt % from 30% to a respectable 35.6%. Issue is he doesn't do much else besides scoring with only 4 double doubles in his entire career.

I see no reason why Twolves would want to trade Wiggins for a pick in this years draft but for point of reference Jackson has been heavily compared to him and many regard him as 2nd or 3rd best prospect in the draft. You have to factor in the unknown factor (Jackson could be better than expected or much worse than expected) and the contract situation as well as the adjustment period and age in the value. If Wiggins was in this draft I think he'd be minimally #4 pick and maybe as high as #2 behind Fultz due to the increasing importance of point guards and shooters in today's game.

However, for it to make sense for Twolves to trade him they'd want #1 plus more since Twolves already have a promising team and with KAT they don't need Wiggins to be the next Lebron for them to be successful. There is always the risk that whomever they trade him for is not as good (Wiggins has been pretty darn good thus far) or worst a complete bust so they'd have to be compensated for that.

I'm not sure Celtics would be willing to do that (although maybe they would since Wiggins could help them to win right now and still keep the future bright while Fultz it remains to be seen if he can have an immediate impact) .


 

 

13 Apr 2017 15:45:04
Timberwolves off season.

Pek takes a medical retirement so his salary doesn't count for next year.
Waive Jordan Hill and his non guaranteed contract for next year.
Let Rush, Muhammad, Payne, and Casspi leave via free agency.

Trade Andrew Wiggins, Cole Aldrich, and no 6 (or 7) pick to Chicago for Jimmy Butler and 15 (or 16) pick.

Sign Serge Ibaka to a max deal and Andre Roberson to a deal.

Rubio/ Jones
LaVine/ Dunn
Butler/ Roberson
Ibaka/ Bjelica
Towns/ Deing.

carl006

1.) 13 Apr 2017 16:46:12
The rest of the core fits wiggins time line. His ceiling is probably higher than Butler's. I'm not sure if they trade Wiggins for Butler straight up let alone adding the pick.


2.) 14 Apr 2017 01:14:13
Trading Wiggins for Butler could make some sense but I wouldn't give up Twolves pick too (I don't think Bulls pick justifies it since big drop-off in talent after 11 imo) . I'd swap LaVine in for Wiggins and potentially do this trade. I believe Bulls wanted LaVine and pick that end up as Dunn for Butler last summer so maybe it could work. Losing LaVine's shooting will hurt a lot tho especially with Rubio and Dunn both poor 3pt shooters although Wiggins improved to a respectable 36% this season. I could see Thibs however pushing hard to get his man Butler back.

If I'm Twolves I'd probably just stick with what they have especially when Issac or worst case Markkanen will be available with their lotto pick. Issac would be a scary pf on the team with his versatility and ability to stretch the floor and play defense.


 

 

18 Jan 2017 03:04:06
I don't want Minnesota to trade Rubio, but Thibs seems hell bent on doing so. Sacramento seems the likely destination.

So, Sacramento gets Ricky Rubio and Shabazz Muhammad.

Minnesota gets Darren Collison, Anthony Tolliver, Malachi Richardson, and a future 1st round pick.

carl006

1.) 18 Jan 2017 12:13:20
I think Sacramento would only offer R Gay and Collison.


2.) 18 Jan 2017 16:03:17
They could offer McLemore too


3.) 18 Jan 2017 16:04:53
I'd like to see this
Twolves get Afflalo, Collison, and McLemore
Kings get Rubio and Muhammad


 

 

10 May 2016 21:48:50
How about we stop trying to trade 2016 draft picks until we actually know the draft order for lottery picks.

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21 May 2018 02:35:42
Why would Brooklyn do a sign and trade for Hood when they can just sign him outright.

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21 May 2018 02:05:01
And then Leonard leaves after one year.
Minnesota passes.

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19 May 2018 05:04:35
Minnesota would need that Sacramento pick plus maybe the Memphis pick to even listen.

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18 May 2018 19:24:38
You know free agency happens after the draft, right?

And what exactly are the Lakers giving up to unload Deng?
Why would Philadelphia give up Sacramento's unprotected 2019 1st for a 2nd round pick?

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18 May 2018 13:48:11
And then Minnesota has to hand out 3 max or near max deals in one off season to Towns, Walker, and Butler.

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