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24 Jul 2017 14:42:27
Irving to Minnesota trade idea.

Minnesota gets Kyrie Irving, Iman Shumpert, and Channing Frye

Cleveland gets Andrew Wiggins, Gorgui Dieng, Cole Aldrich, Tyus Jones, OKC 2018 1st, Miami 2019 2nd and Minnesota 2020 1st round pick.

What do you think?


1.) 24 Jul 2017 15:14:41
I personally would find this hysterical. So, essentially, the Wolves and cavs went the long route of trading irving for love. Clearly the cav lose in the grand scheme of things lol.



05 Jul 2017 15:06:45
Instead of Minnesota trading Aldrich and the OKC first to Indiana in a sign and trade for Miles, they should try to trade Aldrich to Atlanta.

Minnesota would get a protected future 2nd round pick

Atlanta gets Aldrich, Miami's 2019 2nd round pick, and Minnesota removes the lottery protection on the 2018 1st they owe Atlanta.

Minnesota gets cap space to sign Miles outright and keep that 2018 OKC 1st
Atlanta takes a chance on Minnesota missing the playoffs in loaded West while also getting a future 2nd round pick.


1.) 05 Jul 2017 17:24:54
I don't think that's worth it for the Hawks since Minnesota will probably make the playoffs anyway, so the pick would convey, and that second round pick isn't enough to take on Aldrich.

2.) 05 Jul 2017 18:49:36
Doesn't Minnesota get a $14 million trade exemption from the Ricky Rubio trade. Why can't they use that to do a sign and trade for CJ Miles and send Indiana a second round pick?

3.) 05 Jul 2017 22:03:11
ILD. I asked that to. I guess it's because Minnesota was under the cap so they didn't get a trade exception.

4.) 05 Jul 2017 19:48:12
Or just get miles because they need 3 point shooting. another great trade carl you are brilliant.



26 Jun 2017 16:10:25
Rest of Minnesota's offseason

Trade Cole Aldrich, a 2018 2nd round pick (from Minnesota) and a 2019 2nd round pick (from Miami) to Brooklyn for KJ McDaniels

Minnesota can then choose not to pick up McDaniels option and save 7+ million or keep him as a bench guy and save 4+ million.

Free agents:

Patrick Patterson - 4 years, 40 million
CJ Miles - 2 years, 12 million
PJ Tucker - 3 years, 21 million



1.) 26 Jun 2017 16:56:36
McDaniels is now UFA.

2.) 27 Jun 2017 00:49:11
I agree this is the type of deal MIN might consider.

Aldrich gets $7.3 mil this year, and a $6.9 mil team option ($2 mil guaranteed), so the contract isn't horrible, and BRK might even get some use out of the guy.

MIN can use more cap space.

You just need to find a different player.



23 Jun 2017 16:13:11
If Lakers really want to go after George and LeBron next year.

Chicago gets Ingram and Deng

Lakers get LaVine

Sign George and LeBron. Resign Lopez.

Ball, LaVine, George, LeBron, Lopez.

That is a lineup that can compete with Golden State.


1.) 23 Jun 2017 16:26:10
If I'm Lakers I wouldn't even consider this trade now. Maybe revisit it part way through the season once we've seen how LaVine has recovered from his injury and how Ingram looks in his second season. In general I don't see why Lakers were so aggressive to move Mozgov's contract right away (I would've liked to see how Russell and Ball were together) especially if they aren't going to trade for George now. It would be foolish to make the same mistake with Deng. It would be wisest to deal him next offseason when he'll have another year off his contract making him easier to move and Lakers would have a better sense of if Lebron or other FA would actually be interested in going there (it would be awful if they gave up Russell and Ingram to clear all this salary then they can't attract any top FA) .

2.) 23 Jun 2017 17:03:08
Even with the upside of Ingram and Lavine's knee, I'm not doing that if I'm the Bulls and I don't see that team having a chance against the Warriors. They would need Ball to out shine Lavar's hype to even have a shot. They would get owned on the boards, Lopez would be almost unplayable (his offense is almost his entire game and you can question how good he even is), George is the only really good shooter on that team, Lavine after a knee injury is a huge question mark, Ball is a question mark, outside of Lebron and George there defense doesn't look passable, and the bench will be most likely be patch work at best.



19 Jun 2017 23:46:04
Rumor has it Butler to Minnesota heating up again.

If I am Minnesota I offer Wiggins, Aldrich, and 7th pick for Butler and pick 16.

Minnesota still can draft a good you player and have cap space to add another asset or 2.


1.) 20 Jun 2017 02:10:43
They shouldn't give up Wiggins for Butler. At 22 Wiggins isn't far off from being an allstar.

2.) 20 Jun 2017 02:37:20
WIth Butler another year older and Wiggins another year developed (he really improved his 3pt shot just needs to work on defense where he has been a lot worse than predicted) I think this trade makes less sense than a year ago. Especially with the #7 pick involved where they can complete their lineup with perfect pf prospect in Issac. If LaVine were swapped for Wiggins I'd be alright with Twolves doing it or potentially if Dunn were swapped with #7.




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17 May 2017 14:37:00
If Minnesota wanted to trade Wiggins, how high of a pick to you think they could get in this years draft?


1.) 17 May 2017 14:46:44
1st overall plus more.

2.) 17 May 2017 17:23:54
Um. no rkenne. just no.

Wiggins is starting to look like far less than what people made him out to be. The problem is, while he is a pretty solid scorer, at this point, that appears to be it. He is actually a negative on the defensive end. He doesn't rebound particularly well and he isn't much of a passer.

And he is already completed his third year. I don't know how much more complete of a player he will become. If he was in this draft and you knew this is where he would be after year 3, I see him going 3-7.

Absolutely not worth the 1st overall and more. Just stop.

3.) 17 May 2017 22:56:47
Wiggins hasn't been and doesn't project to be the heir to Lebron like some projected him to be coming out of Kansas and has been considerably worse on the defensive end than many thought but dude is still only 22 and one of the top prospects in the league. He has been extremely healthy (playing in all but one game in his first 3 years) and has scored over 20 ppg his past two seasons. He also made a big jump this past season improving his 3pt % from 30% to a respectable 35.6%. Issue is he doesn't do much else besides scoring with only 4 double doubles in his entire career.

I see no reason why Twolves would want to trade Wiggins for a pick in this years draft but for point of reference Jackson has been heavily compared to him and many regard him as 2nd or 3rd best prospect in the draft. You have to factor in the unknown factor (Jackson could be better than expected or much worse than expected) and the contract situation as well as the adjustment period and age in the value. If Wiggins was in this draft I think he'd be minimally #4 pick and maybe as high as #2 behind Fultz due to the increasing importance of point guards and shooters in today's game.

However, for it to make sense for Twolves to trade him they'd want #1 plus more since Twolves already have a promising team and with KAT they don't need Wiggins to be the next Lebron for them to be successful. There is always the risk that whomever they trade him for is not as good (Wiggins has been pretty darn good thus far) or worst a complete bust so they'd have to be compensated for that.

I'm not sure Celtics would be willing to do that (although maybe they would since Wiggins could help them to win right now and still keep the future bright while Fultz it remains to be seen if he can have an immediate impact) .



13 Apr 2017 15:45:04
Timberwolves off season.

Pek takes a medical retirement so his salary doesn't count for next year.
Waive Jordan Hill and his non guaranteed contract for next year.
Let Rush, Muhammad, Payne, and Casspi leave via free agency.

Trade Andrew Wiggins, Cole Aldrich, and no 6 (or 7) pick to Chicago for Jimmy Butler and 15 (or 16) pick.

Sign Serge Ibaka to a max deal and Andre Roberson to a deal.

Rubio/ Jones
LaVine/ Dunn
Butler/ Roberson
Ibaka/ Bjelica
Towns/ Deing.


1.) 13 Apr 2017 16:46:12
The rest of the core fits wiggins time line. His ceiling is probably higher than Butler's. I'm not sure if they trade Wiggins for Butler straight up let alone adding the pick.

2.) 14 Apr 2017 01:14:13
Trading Wiggins for Butler could make some sense but I wouldn't give up Twolves pick too (I don't think Bulls pick justifies it since big drop-off in talent after 11 imo) . I'd swap LaVine in for Wiggins and potentially do this trade. I believe Bulls wanted LaVine and pick that end up as Dunn for Butler last summer so maybe it could work. Losing LaVine's shooting will hurt a lot tho especially with Rubio and Dunn both poor 3pt shooters although Wiggins improved to a respectable 36% this season. I could see Thibs however pushing hard to get his man Butler back.

If I'm Twolves I'd probably just stick with what they have especially when Issac or worst case Markkanen will be available with their lotto pick. Issac would be a scary pf on the team with his versatility and ability to stretch the floor and play defense.



18 Jan 2017 03:04:06
I don't want Minnesota to trade Rubio, but Thibs seems hell bent on doing so. Sacramento seems the likely destination.

So, Sacramento gets Ricky Rubio and Shabazz Muhammad.

Minnesota gets Darren Collison, Anthony Tolliver, Malachi Richardson, and a future 1st round pick.


1.) 18 Jan 2017 12:13:20
I think Sacramento would only offer R Gay and Collison.

2.) 18 Jan 2017 16:03:17
They could offer McLemore too

3.) 18 Jan 2017 16:04:53
I'd like to see this
Twolves get Afflalo, Collison, and McLemore
Kings get Rubio and Muhammad



10 May 2016 21:48:50
How about we stop trying to trade 2016 draft picks until we actually know the draft order for lottery picks.




31 Mar 2016 23:07:31
For all the Bills fans posting trading Butler to Philadelphia for the no 1 pick, why would Philly do this. They have spent the last 3 years tanking. If they finally get the first pick, why would they pass on a chance to get a talent like Simmons or Ingram? And Butler is going to be 27 before next season starts. And you want them to add in more assets? Philly would be crazy to do this.


1.) 02 Apr 2016 18:14:27
Nice post. I like your reasoning.




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16 Mar 2018 18:00:29
Minnesota has no real reason to do this. And Dieng has 3 years left after this year and is a better time protector than either Love or Thompson.




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08 Mar 2018 14:02:58
I don't think Thibs is ready to give up on Wiggins, but as a Timberwolves fan, I am.




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07 Mar 2018 18:30:55
What old talent? LeBron is probably their oldest rotation player right now.




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07 Mar 2018 17:09:31
If by walk soon you mean in 3 years, then sure, anything is possible.




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27 Feb 2018 18:25:09
Even if Minnesota had the cap space to do that, they would pass. They have no need for Augustin.





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