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20 Jun 2017 15:09:53
Pacers-Lakers-Suns

Pacers: Russell, #28 pick, 2018 2nd (via DEN)
Lakers: George, #4
Suns: #2, Deng, 2019 Pacers 2nd

Pacers draft Terrance Ferguson or Donovan Mitchell at 18, Jordan Bell at 28, Frank Mason at 47.

Pacers begin rebuild and hope to land a top pick in 2018 draft to get Micheal Porter or another top prospect.

posted this earlier just fixed it and read that suns are interested as third team.

ev2413

1.) 20 Jun 2017 15:38:58
Not bad, Lakers could then get Fox at 4.


2.) 20 Jun 2017 16:56:35
Do you really believe the suns pay 50 million for the difference between Ball and Fox?
I don't!


 

 

20 Jun 2017 04:10:07
Pacers-Lakers

Pacers: Russell, #28 pick, 2019 1st, 2018 2nd (via DEN)
Lakers: George

Pacers draft Terrance Ferguson or Donovan Mitchell at 18, Jordan Bell at 28, Frank Mason at 47.

Pacers begin rebuild and hope to land a top pick in 2018 draft to get Micheal Porter or another top prospect.

Thoughts?

ev2413

1.) 20 Jun 2017 05:37:22
Not bad, but they can't trade the 2019 pick.


 

 

19 Jun 2017 19:03:28
1st trade:
Pacers trade George to Lakers for #2, #28, 2019 1st and Clarkson

2nd trade:
Pacers trade #2 to Suns for #4 and #32 and 2018 Heat 1st (Suns want Ball)

3rd Trade:
Trade Young to Atlanta for #19 and #31 (Need to replace Millsap)

4th Trade: Trade #19, #28, #31, #32, #47 to Orlando for #6 (Orlando is rebuilding and needs picks)

Draft Fox at #4, Isaac at #6, Ferguson at #18
Resign Miles and let Teague walk.

Lineup:
Fox/Stephenson/Young
Clarkson/Ferguson/Ellis
Robinson III/Miles/Niang
Allen/Isaac
Turner/Seraphin/Jefferson

Thoughts?

ev2413

1.) 19 Jun 2017 21:42:28
I doubt Lakers give up that much for George. I don't think they'll ever include #2 pick but if they did that's all they'd need since I don't see any team outbidding that for a 1 year rental (they could probably add Deng or Mozgov and still get away with it) .

The second trade is alright although if I were the Suns I'd be fine at #4 where I'm guaranteed to get Ball, Jackson or Fox all who could fit well in that team (move Bledsoe for another draft pick in this draft or young asset) .

3rd trade is a little rich for Young since Hawks wouldn't be that good if they lost Millsap and could get a more reasonable replacement with #19 pick that would build them toward the future around Schroeder and THJ.


The Fourth trade I don't think those picks move you all the way up to #6 especially in this deep draft and from a team like Magic who is already young but needs a young player with superstar potential which is much easier found at #6. They already have a bunch of alright young player and adding 5 players to any roster is tough; 2 or 3 of those would have to be stashed overseas which really limits your selection.


 

 

19 Jun 2017 01:46:18
Pacers-Nuggets-Cavs

Cavs:
Receive - Paul George and Al Jefferson

Pacers:
Receive - Jamal Murray, Gary Harris, #13 pick

Nuggets:
Receive - Kevin Love, #18 pick, #47 pick, Cavs 2020 and 2021 1st rounder

ev2413

1.) 19 Jun 2017 07:01:58
I think this is more realistic than a straight Love for George swap with Pacers getting back younger assets. I'd put my faith in Lebron to convince George to stay (so long as George would have enough Bird years and Cavs wouldn't need cap space to resign him) . George would be a major upgrade over Love on both ends of the court and improve their athleticism and matchup against Warriors.

If Cavs wanted to move away from the big 3 I think another way to improve would be to deal just with Nuggets and get a package of like Chandler, Harris, Faried and Hernangomez for Love and Frye (for salary) .


2.) 20 Jun 2017 04:33:26
You are out of your mind! Denver is crazy to give up Harris and Murray for picks. never going to happen. Might as well trade Jokic for a pick too.


 

 

18 Jun 2017 17:09:48
Pacers Offseason:

Trade 18 to Portland for 20 and 26
Trade 20 to Pistons for Marcus Morris
Trade 26 and Ellis to Nuggets for Will Barton
Trade 47 and Jefferson to Brooklyn for 2018 2nd rounder
Resign Teague 3y54m
Resign Miles 2y24m
Sign Rudy Gay 2y24m
Sign Willie Reed 2y12m
Sign Dedmon 3y33m

Teague/Stephenson
Gay/Barton/Robinson III
George/Miles/Robinson III
Young/Morris/Reed
Turner/Dedmon/Seraphin

Thoughts?

ev2413

1.) 18 Jun 2017 18:42:04
Those are all pretty one sided favoring the Pistons.


2.) 18 Jun 2017 18:59:01
Pacers*.


3.) 19 Jun 2017 01:27:32
Nuggets whould never do that (moneywise)! The other trades are pretty solid though!


4.) 19 Jun 2017 21:24:33
So the Pistons take Ellis, #20, and #26 and turn them into Morris and Barton? Why wouldn't Portland just do these deals with one of their guys instead of Ellis?


 

 

 

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16 Jun 2017 00:21:45
Pacers Offseason:

Draft Night Trades-
1.) Thad Young to Orlando for 25th pick
2.) Ellis to Sacramento for 34th pick
3.) Trade Jefferson, 34 and 47 to Brooklyn for 2018 2nd rounder.

Draft Kennard at 18, Jordan Bell at 25

Bring in Hayward (max) and Holiday (4y 80m) to try and sign on the idea of a big three that would dominate in the east. Resign Teague (3y 54m) if Holiday takes more money elsewhere. If Randolph (a return to his hometown and would be a great leader) will accept the mid level exception, then sign him if he will take a pay cut to win.

Lineup
Holiday/Stephenson
George/Kennard
Hayward/Robinson III
(Randolph)/Bell/Allen
Turner/Seraphin

Opinions?

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14 Jun 2017 20:47:11
Celtics-Pacers

Pacers go all in on rebuild. Fire Mcmillan and trade George.

Celtics trade 2017 & 2018 1st round Nets picks to the pacers and receive - George and Jefferson

Pacers draft Fultz (#1) and Terrance Ferguson (#18)

Pacers Trade Thad Young and #47 to Detroit or Denver for 1st round pick and draft Zach Collins

Pacers let Teague and Miles walk and resign Robinson III and Seraphin and pick up Allen's team option

Celtics: Get superstar in George which will trigger Hayward to sign and be top two if not the best team in the east.

Pacers: Go all in on rebuild and wait out on Cavs and Celtics to have a strong core to be able to contend against the future Bucks and 76ers in the east. Pacers also get brooklyn's and their own lottery pick and could get talent such as Porter in the next draft.

Pacers Lineup:
Fultz/Stephenson/ Ellis
Robinson III/ Ferguson/ Ellis
Miles/ Ferguson
Allen/ Collins
Turner/ Seraphin

ev2413

1.) 14 Jun 2017 21:13:16
I don't see Celtics giving up that much for George especially without a guarantee of him resigning. Maybe they would if they could sign Hayward too but they will have to make a move if they just want to add his 30 mill per year max contract let alone George's significant contract.

If they moved both Crowder and Bradley they may have enough (and with George and Hayward they'd be expendable especially Bradley who would be too expensive to resign) so maybe putting them and Celtics 2018 pick and a future pick in place of Nets 2018.

I don't see Young a good fit in Denver with Barton, Faried, Galo, Chandler, Arthur and Hernangomez all getting minutes at sf/ pf that Young would play especially giving up #13 for him.

I could see Pistons potentially giving up their #12 for him but they don't have cap space so Pacers would have to take one of their bad contracts which also would help the value a bit (don't think Young is worth a lotto pick in this draft, Pacers gave up a #20 for him when they got him) .


2.) 15 Jun 2017 00:44:11
The Celtics would trade two extremely valuable trade assets, for a potential rental. AND the trade would eliminate ALL of the cap space, even after renouncing rights to Zeller, Johnson, Olynyk, etc. I'm mentioning those players, not because they have value, but the Celtics need to renounce them and more just to create enough space to sign Gordon H. to NEAR max money. Even the above mentioned idea of trading Crowder and Bradley for cap purposes wouldn't free enough space. Not to mention Jefferson has negative trade value.


 

 

14 Jun 2017 20:00:58
Pacers Offseason:

Draft Night Trades-
1.) Thad Young and #47 pick to Detroit for 12th pick (Pistons said they would trade pick for win-now veteran)
2.) Jefferson, Ellis and 18 to Brooklyn for 2018 2nd rounder (trade just to get rid of contracts and nets said they would take on bad contracts for pick)

Draft Kennard at 18

Bring in Hayward and Griffin to try and sign on the idea of a big three that would dominate in the east.

Resign Teague if he takes a low salary or Miles, if Teague is too expensive. If Teague doesn't resign put Stephenson at point and bring in a vet pg for minimum contract.

If Pacers can pull this off they will be over the limit and have to pay luxury tax but they will have to if they want to stay competitive and keep George.

Lineup
Teague/Stephenson
George/Kennard
Hayward/Robinson III
Griffin/Allen
Turner/Seraphin

ev2413

1.) 15 Jun 2017 09:04:18
Not sure Young was the veteran they had in mind. #12 is a little rich for my taste plus I don't believe Pistons have cap space to take all of Young's contract so they'd have to send some salary back.

I think Nets would be all over that trade since Jefferson's contract isn't guaranteed next year and Ellis only has 1 year and player option.

Those moves would theoretically clear over 36 mill for Pacers so I think they'd have close enough to offer to Hayward and Griffin. I don't think either would come but if they did that would be a formidable team especially with them still having Turner.


 

 

 

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17 Jun 2017 02:30:04
Bucks say no not receiving enough in return at all.

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16 Jun 2017 12:54:55
Why would Indy trade Faried for Young and why would they trade #18.

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15 Jun 2017 17:38:14
Add a 2nd rounder to the hawks and I think they'll accept.

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15 Jun 2017 14:36:38
Pacers probably want more picks so they can rebuild around Turner and Oladipo.

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14 Jun 2017 19:12:04
Lakers said they won't trade Ingram and they want ball at #2, and they aren't going to unload their core to get George. But thisbe will be one of the best offers the Pacers get because other teams won't trade for him because of the worry he won't sign long term with them.

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