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11 Jul 2017 16:45:57
Pacers

Trade Thad Young to Suns for Chris/Ulis.
At deadline trade Bogdanovic to contender for 1st rounder and a expiring contract (maybe Raptors).
In the draft trade Pacers 2018 first and Leaf or Sabonis to move up.
At end of season or draft day trade Collison for 2nd rounder.
Flip the first rounder from the contender and Oladipo for a future second rounder (maybe Mavericks will take on his contract).
Trade Joesph and 2nd rounder to Nuggets for 2018 first.

All of this opens up cap space for free agency
Dante Exum 4y72m (Jazz won't match because hood and favors are free agents as well and to pay them all would send them way over the cap.)
Gary Harris 4y88m (Denver can create space to keep him so you have to sign him to a little more. But it's not a smart move for a team who needs to pay an elite point guard.)
Resign Robinson III
Sign Amir Johnson 2y24m (2nd year team option). Just to get some veteran leadership.
Sign Nick Young 2y14m (Need backup SF and an elite 3 point shooter.)
Sign Deron Williams 2y10m (2nd year team option.) More veteran mentoring.

Lineup.
Exum/Williams/Ulis
Harris/Stephenson
Robinson III/Young/Niang
Johnson/Chris/Sabonis or Leaf
Turner/Seraphin

Thoughts?

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1.) 11 Jul 2017 17:25:54
Not sure what Suns would want with Young especially giving up promising young assets (especially Chriss who was there lotto pick that they traded up to get last year) to get him and his decently sized contract when they likely are a team building for the future.

I think Indy would be foolish to just dump Oladipo's contract especially when they aren't going to attract any significant FA. Why give up assets to get rid of him in order to overpay similar caliber FA (Exum and Harris neither project as potential stars but solid players) and older FA (Johnson, Young and Williams) . His contract is big and he didn't wow last season but he is still relatively young and will likely be Pacers 2nd best player.

I think Exum would be a much higher priority than Favors for the Jazz and with guys like Joe Johnson and Diaw coming off the books they may even be able to retain Favors depending on how he plays upcoming season.

Nuggets do need a point guard upgrade (I don't believe Joseph is much of an upgrade with Murray capable of running the show) and they will have a decision to make between Harris and Barton on who they want to pay so Harris could potentially be had but I'd say its more likely they let Barton go with the jump Harris made last season.

After all those moves the end result is fairly underwhelming and all the moves are slanted in the Pacers favor (some are possible but I doubt all happen) . Pacers should try and move Collison, Young and Bogdanovic if they can get any young assets/ draft picks for them. They should only trade Oladipo if they actually get assets in return (don't salary dump him) . Moving up in the draft would be a solid idea especially with Sabonis and Leaf kind of redundant and Pacers needing a star to pair with Turner (Porter or Doncic would be ideal case) . Then throwing money at younger FA (most likely restricted) isn't an awful option but it most likely won't yield much if anything. Don't think Pacers need to sign that high of caliber of veterans at this stage of their rebuild where they should be focused on getting their young guys minutes and trying to uncover hidden gems with guys who have spent a decent portion of their time in D-league, overseas and such. It'll be a long rebuild for them but priority should be to tank with the hopes of getting a top talent to pair with Turner who is a budding star.


2.) 11 Jul 2017 17:44:55
Agree with most of what Jaw said. I think the oddest thing you have here is flipping Olidipo and a 1st for a 2nd. Olidipo is a young solid two way starter. He's on a reasonable contract. He's a player with solid value.


 

 

07 Jul 2017 16:03:29
Jazz-Spurs-Pacers-Suns

Jazz-Aldridge
Pacers-Mitchell, Murray, Bender, Ulis, Johnson (free up space for Jazz)
Spurs- Thad Young, Neto, Sabonis/Leaf (their choice), future 2nd rounder from Suns and a 2nd rounder from either Pacers or Jazz
Suns-Favors

*Aldridge has already stated he was displeased with the Spurs and will likely decline his player option so it's better to trade him now.*

Thoughts?

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07 Jul 2017 05:14:28
Pacers Next Offseason
2017-18
Trade Thad Young and 2 Future 2nd rounders to Jazz for Exum and Mitchell
S&T Miles to Wizards for Oubre Jr. and future 1st
At deadline trade Jefferson (expiring contract) and future 1st for Zach Collins
(Optional)At deadline or after season flip Sabonis or Leaf to Raptors for OG Anuboy
18-19 Lineup
Exum/Stephenson
Oladipo/Mitchell
Robinson III/Anuboy/Oubre Jr.
Collins/Leaf
Turner/Ike A.
Team with Huge Upside
Later on if Mitchell, Oubre Jr., and Anuboy turn into starter talent flip Oladipo, Robinson III, and future 1st to clear Oladipo's bad contract.

Thoughts?

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1.) 07 Jul 2017 09:35:05
All those deals are heavily favoring Pacers. I doubt Young and 2 2nds get you Exum or Mitchell by themselves let alone both of them. After Jazz lost Hayward they'd be wise to keep their two best young talent or at least get better value for them.

The sign and trade for Miles isn't as bad but I doubt Wizards do it especially since they are way over the cap and Miles would surely make more than Oubre's rookie deal so won't work financially.

Similarly Blazers are way over the cap and couldn't do the Jefferson for Collins trade, not that they would since its not great value on a guy you just traded up to get at #10.

Sabonis flip isn't bad value but Raptors would probably prefer Anunboy who can once healthy be a difference maker right away on the defensive end and has solid upside.


 

 

06 Jul 2017 18:45:01
Pacers Celtics Jazz Nuggets

Pacers - Harris, Exum, Nuggets 2018 1st, Jazz 2019 1st
Celtics - Favors, Seraphin, Pacers and Nuggets future 2nd
Nuggets -Oladipo, Crowder
Jazz - Young, Chandler or Faried

Pacers-
Collison/Exum
Harris/Stephenson
Robinson III/Niang
Sabonis/Leaf
Turner/Ike A.

Celtics-
Thomas/Rozier
Bradley/Smart
Hayward/Tautum
Favors/Brown
Horford/Seraphin
...

Thoughts

ev2413

1.) 06 Jul 2017 22:20:17
Crowder is not going to get Favors for one.

Celtics need to first get below the cap to sign Hayward then other deals can get done.

Celtics want a C with more than one year left on his contract.


 

 

06 Jul 2017 17:29:44
S&T CJ Miles for Oubre Jr. (Wiz) and future 1st rounder.

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03 Jul 2017 01:40:56
Any ideas on how the Pacers could acquire Exum or Murray (Spurs). And in another trade Hernangomez or Cauley-Stein.

ev2413

1.) 03 Jul 2017 02:09:49
Thad Young seems is probably the most tradable asset that the Pacers would be willing to move. The rest of the roster seems either like young players they'd never want to move or guys over the hill on bad contracts that have negative value. Exum and Murray are probably the ones that would be the easiest to get. Juan Hernangomez might be gettable too. Willy Hernangomez and WCS seem pretty hard to get unless Indiana was willing to give up some of their picks or young talent.


 

 

16 Jun 2017 00:21:45
Pacers Offseason:

Draft Night Trades-
1.) Thad Young to Orlando for 25th pick
2.) Ellis to Sacramento for 34th pick
3.) Trade Jefferson, 34 and 47 to Brooklyn for 2018 2nd rounder.

Draft Kennard at 18, Jordan Bell at 25

Bring in Hayward (max) and Holiday (4y 80m) to try and sign on the idea of a big three that would dominate in the east. Resign Teague (3y 54m) if Holiday takes more money elsewhere. If Randolph (a return to his hometown and would be a great leader) will accept the mid level exception, then sign him if he will take a pay cut to win.

Lineup
Holiday/Stephenson
George/Kennard
Hayward/Robinson III
(Randolph)/Bell/Allen
Turner/Seraphin

Opinions?

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14 Jun 2017 20:47:11
Celtics-Pacers

Pacers go all in on rebuild. Fire Mcmillan and trade George.

Celtics trade 2017 & 2018 1st round Nets picks to the pacers and receive - George and Jefferson

Pacers draft Fultz (#1) and Terrance Ferguson (#18)

Pacers Trade Thad Young and #47 to Detroit or Denver for 1st round pick and draft Zach Collins

Pacers let Teague and Miles walk and resign Robinson III and Seraphin and pick up Allen's team option

Celtics: Get superstar in George which will trigger Hayward to sign and be top two if not the best team in the east.

Pacers: Go all in on rebuild and wait out on Cavs and Celtics to have a strong core to be able to contend against the future Bucks and 76ers in the east. Pacers also get brooklyn's and their own lottery pick and could get talent such as Porter in the next draft.

Pacers Lineup:
Fultz/Stephenson/ Ellis
Robinson III/ Ferguson/ Ellis
Miles/ Ferguson
Allen/ Collins
Turner/ Seraphin

ev2413

1.) 14 Jun 2017 21:13:16
I don't see Celtics giving up that much for George especially without a guarantee of him resigning. Maybe they would if they could sign Hayward too but they will have to make a move if they just want to add his 30 mill per year max contract let alone George's significant contract.

If they moved both Crowder and Bradley they may have enough (and with George and Hayward they'd be expendable especially Bradley who would be too expensive to resign) so maybe putting them and Celtics 2018 pick and a future pick in place of Nets 2018.

I don't see Young a good fit in Denver with Barton, Faried, Galo, Chandler, Arthur and Hernangomez all getting minutes at sf/ pf that Young would play especially giving up #13 for him.

I could see Pistons potentially giving up their #12 for him but they don't have cap space so Pacers would have to take one of their bad contracts which also would help the value a bit (don't think Young is worth a lotto pick in this draft, Pacers gave up a #20 for him when they got him) .


2.) 15 Jun 2017 00:44:11
The Celtics would trade two extremely valuable trade assets, for a potential rental. AND the trade would eliminate ALL of the cap space, even after renouncing rights to Zeller, Johnson, Olynyk, etc. I'm mentioning those players, not because they have value, but the Celtics need to renounce them and more just to create enough space to sign Gordon H. to NEAR max money. Even the above mentioned idea of trading Crowder and Bradley for cap purposes wouldn't free enough space. Not to mention Jefferson has negative trade value.


 

 

14 Jun 2017 20:00:58
Pacers Offseason:

Draft Night Trades-
1.) Thad Young and #47 pick to Detroit for 12th pick (Pistons said they would trade pick for win-now veteran)
2.) Jefferson, Ellis and 18 to Brooklyn for 2018 2nd rounder (trade just to get rid of contracts and nets said they would take on bad contracts for pick)

Draft Kennard at 18

Bring in Hayward and Griffin to try and sign on the idea of a big three that would dominate in the east.

Resign Teague if he takes a low salary or Miles, if Teague is too expensive. If Teague doesn't resign put Stephenson at point and bring in a vet pg for minimum contract.

If Pacers can pull this off they will be over the limit and have to pay luxury tax but they will have to if they want to stay competitive and keep George.

Lineup
Teague/Stephenson
George/Kennard
Hayward/Robinson III
Griffin/Allen
Turner/Seraphin

ev2413

1.) 15 Jun 2017 09:04:18
Not sure Young was the veteran they had in mind. #12 is a little rich for my taste plus I don't believe Pistons have cap space to take all of Young's contract so they'd have to send some salary back.

I think Nets would be all over that trade since Jefferson's contract isn't guaranteed next year and Ellis only has 1 year and player option.

Those moves would theoretically clear over 36 mill for Pacers so I think they'd have close enough to offer to Hayward and Griffin. I don't think either would come but if they did that would be a formidable team especially with them still having Turner.


 

 

 

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19 Jul 2017 20:35:43
Phoenix gets a steal!

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07 Jul 2017 04:39:50
Only team that says yes is Rockets.

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04 Jul 2017 18:27:17
spurs don't have enough cap space.

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02 Jul 2017 19:34:13
bucks can just sign hill.

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01 Jul 2017 23:01:40
that doesn't get you bledsoe.

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