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17 Oct 2018 01:34:53
Cavs - Mavs - Suns

Cavs get:
19 Bucks 1st (Via Suns) OR 21 Heats Pick

Mavs get:

Suns get:

Cavs receive cap relief with all expiring deals except Powell. Start rebuild

Mavs get pieces that they can make a strong run in playoffs for next 2 years.

Suns get two strong pgs. One young and one vet for a bad contract and a pick

17 Oct 2018 12:48:28
Get ready guys ritequick changed his name to the Knicks so we don't think he's a homer giving Cleveland something for nothing.

17 Oct 2018 14:25:44
Oh, by the way, PHX no longer has that MIA pick in 21 but the Sixers do. (Mikal Bridges draft nite deal) . Besides that, "Two strong PGS"? Seriously? Suns laugh at this deal and hang up the phone.

16 Oct 2018 01:12:05

MIA gets Butler, Ross, Vuc

ORL gets Whiteside and Tyus Jones

MIN gets Richardson, Johnson and 1st rd pick via MIA 2019 and Orl 2ND RD PICK 2019

Dragic/ Ty Johnson
Butler/ Wade/ Ross
Waiters/ Ellington
Olnyk/ Winslow
Vuc/ Bam

Johnson/ Gibson
Towns/ Dieng

Tyus Jones
Whiteside/ Mo Bamba.

16 Oct 2018 05:07:42
Magic don't need or wantoverpaid, lazy big.

13 Oct 2018 21:43:37
76ets/ Minn

Sixers get: Butler
Minn gets: Covington, Miami unprotected 2021 #1, Bayless(exp to make salaries match).

14 Oct 2018 00:19:13
I think butler is good fit playing wise but as a veteran leader he could disrupt the whole process. Who calls a press conference to air out grievances about team mates.

14 Oct 2018 09:30:30

12 Oct 2018 16:49:49
Wolves Trade Jimmy Butler

Miami Trade James Johnson Josh Richardson 2019 first round pick

Final Deal

12 Oct 2018 20:35:19
Too much.

13 Oct 2018 16:36:10
The Twolves are not going to take on James Johnsons contact. I think a more reasonable trade for both teams would be:

Twolves- Richardson and Winslow

Heat- Butler.

11 Oct 2018 21:38:39

MIA gets Lilard, Butler and Dieng

MIN gets Richardson and Whiteside

POR gets Dragic, Olnyk, and 1st rd pick via MIA 2019, AND 2021

Lilard/ Ty JohnsoM
Butler/ Wade
Waiters/ Ellington
Johnson/ Winslow
BAM/ Dieng


4th or 5th seed in the west no question

Turner/ Aminu

12 Oct 2018 01:05:00
Portland and Wolves declines that deal.

12 Oct 2018 03:50:26
Ur trades get worse.

12 Oct 2018 16:19:43
I definitely question if minny could get the 4 or 5 seed with that team (I don’t think they make the playoffs) .

Also, Portland gets absolutely screwed. I wouldn’t trade McCollum for that, let alone Lillard.

11 Oct 2018 18:13:08
TWolves- Richardson, Olynyk, Cauley-Stein

Heat- Butler

Kings- Dieng, Protected 1st (via Miami)

12 Oct 2018 00:03:09
3 yrs of starter salary for the 10-12th man off the bench is worth a lottery projected pick.

11 Oct 2018 00:54:00
TWolves- Richardson, Dragic, Winslow

Heat- Butler, Dieng, Jones

Possibly a protected first going to TWolves (via Miami)

What do you think?

11 Oct 2018 01:17:20
I think it's too much to the wolves. The Dieng contract drags down the wolves trade package too much. Definitely no draft pick from Miami if this is their offer to the wolves.

11 Oct 2018 03:21:29
I think it's too much for Butler and Diengs terrible contract. Maybe 2 months ago, but not now. Miami passes big time.

10 Oct 2018 12:39:05
Miami gets Jimmy Butler

Minnesota gets Josh Richardson, Justice Winslow with a signed extension, and a 2019 lottery protected 1st
Winslow extension will be in the 7-9 million range
Minnesota will save about 3 million in salary and will put them under the hard cap

10 Oct 2018 13:49:49
Winslow will get more than that, probably looking at $11-$13M a year. Still works though salary wise.

Looks like Minny wants multiple picks though, probably need to add at least an unprotected 2nd, if not another protected first.

10 Oct 2018 19:18:13
I don't understand why Miami wants Butler so badly, especially if they would have to give up Richardson AND a guy like Winslow. Butler doesn't make a team on his own. That's been proven in two stops, and he's had better talent around him both places than he would in Miami. You'd be getting rid of the guys you would hope to ADD Butler TO in order to get him, and they're likely shipping off picks which are their only route to getting talent on the cheap to bolster the team.

I like Butler a lot, but he's not a LeBron/ Durant type player who makes you a contender on his own.

10 Oct 2018 00:05:38

MIN trade: Butler, Dieng
Get: Dragic, Gasol, Mia 2019 1st, Tor 2019 1st (from SA).

MIA trade: Whiteside, Winslow, Dragic, 2019 1st.
Get: Butler, Dieng, Mills

SAS trade: Gasol, Mills, 2019 Tor 1st.
Get: Whiteside, Winslow.

Min can trade Teague or Dragic to PHO for Warren or Jackson.

10 Oct 2018 04:31:06
this one is better for the other two teams than min. and phx has no business trading one of those guys for a pg over 30.

08 Oct 2018 21:04:01
Spurs Trade Patty Mills 2019 first round pick Protected TOR

Miami Trade Tyler Johnson Justise Winslow

08 Oct 2018 22:12:25
Trade doesn't work because of salaries. Although Spurs would love to get their hands on Justise Winslow, they can't trade Mills now, because of Murray injury. Mills is now their starting PG.

09 Oct 2018 01:28:45
Ohhh can they get Josh Richemond as Point Guard.

09 Oct 2018 19:08:04
TJ can play the point, but Miami is not moving Winslow to move a bad salary for a bit less bad salary and a first in the 25-30 range.

08 Oct 2018 14:56:31
New Butler trade idea.

Minnesota gets Richardson, Tyler Johnson, and Koufos.
Miami gets Butler
Sacramento gets Dieng, Miami's 2019 1st, and Miami's 2019 2nd (which Minnesota owns).

08 Oct 2018 15:00:21
It just doesn’t feel like enough for Butler.

08 Oct 2018 16:08:31
More then enough especially because heat have no cap to sign him.

08 Oct 2018 16:30:16
LL, The fact that the Heat can’t sign him ups his value in a trade for the Heat. I’m not sure what you’re inferring. Koufos has no value, Tyler Johnson has almost as much negative value as Dieng and Richardson is solid, but he’s not some kind of elite prospect.

08 Oct 2018 16:36:38
Personally, I think one of the sticking points is the Heat don't want to take on Dieng, but want Minnesota to take on Waiters along with giving Minnesota Richardson and a 1st. However, Minnesota doesn't want both Dieng and Waiters for 3 more years, so they want Miami to give up another 1st for a 3rd team to take on Dieng.

08 Oct 2018 18:31:40
HAHAHA, I love ll. that comment is indicative of his overall basketball knowledge.

09 Oct 2018 01:44:37
You got to look at it this wayy. Wolves are off loading dieing 3 years contract which is bad due to fact it has 3 years. and getting two solid players.

08 Oct 2018 03:12:07
Heat receive: Butler
Send: Richardson, Winslow, Bam, '19 & '20 2nd
Get the star for their roster and don't have to take on Dieng

Twolves receive: Richardson, Winslow, Bam, Shumpert
Send: Butler, Dieng, Jones
Bring in 3 players who fit their time line and a vet wing.

Kings receive: Dieng, Bucks 1st, '20 2nd
Send: Shumpert
Get a couple of picks for their cap space

Suns receive: Jones, '19 2nd
Send: Bucks 1st
Get a young PG who could start

08 Oct 2018 14:26:11
No 1st for Teague but a 1st for Jones? I wouldn't pay that.

07 Oct 2018 19:50:01
Miami Trade Justise Winslow Josh Richardson James Johnson 2019 first round pick

Wolves Trade Jimmy Butler Tyus Jones Gorgui Dieng

08 Oct 2018 18:34:16
i mean, beyond the obvious reasons as to why this wouldn't happen. it is worth noting that none of his trades take actual salary matching into consideration.

This trade, like most of yours, fails.

07 Oct 2018 12:43:52
Cavs get Hardaway Waiters Mudiay Wilson
Bucks get Whiteside Smith Dekker
Knicks get Hill
Heat get Henson Snell Delly Bucks 1st

Replace Lebron's Scoring, get rid Smith as a distraction


Add a scoring sg and shotblocker center to make them best team in EC central and become darkhorse to win the east.


Cut future payroll, get better chararacter guys. Become faster


Dump Hill for 1.5 mil buyout after season.


07 Oct 2018 13:15:08
Why would the Cavs give up guys that have little guaranteed money next year for 2 bad contracts and why would the Bucks give up a 1st for Whiteside?

07 Oct 2018 14:35:23
Hardaway and Waiters is better than Hill and Jr Smith. I don't think you want to deal with JR Smith on a below .500 team. With Lebron gone Cavs should look to add better talent especially younger scorers any which way they can. No big name free agents will go there now that Lebron is gone. Staying competitive to Love happy and keeping their is important or else why would cavs extend him.

You mean to tell me bucks get better talent better contracts in whiteside Smith over Henson Delly and Snell, you don't think that worth a 1st that will be worth having 50 + win team.

07 Oct 2018 14:49:43
I don't think the Bucks would accept that offer. Two (2) "head cases" And a "non-defender" for Henson, Dellevedova, Snell AND a 1st rd pick?, I say good luck to any one trading for Whiteside, or Smith. Like Henson, Dellevedova, and Snell ALL Overpaid! But with Very bad attitudes!

07 Oct 2018 14:53:31
They can buy Smith out, if they’re concerned with him being around. They could use the contracts to try to get picks. They’ll need money, if they want to keep Nance or Hood. They can use cap space to get picks. Just because you can’t attract big name free agents doesn’t mean that you throw money away on bad contracts. If Hardaway is so great, why do you want the Knicks to trade him for expirings?

As for the Bucks, they get more talent back, but Whiteside could actively make the Bucks worse. Miami wants rid of him and no one else has bit. Why would someone all of a sudden be willing to give up a pick for him?

07 Oct 2018 15:24:04
Henson snell delly are worse than talent than whiteside Smith. To give up late is worth it, to giannis they are trying get better. Whiteside next to Giannis will get motivated. Smith will good on quality bucks team.

Smith great for very good. Smith horrible for .500 or below team. Hardaway is not allstar player. But he is better than Jr Smith for .500 team. Cavs plenty have plenty of money for hood and Nance next yr. Neither are worth more 15 mil per season. Neither can be scorer Hardaway and Waiters are.

07 Oct 2018 15:24:34
They won't buyout smith until next yr.

07 Oct 2018 15:25:10
Nobody giving picks for Smith. Maybe Hill.

07 Oct 2018 15:30:59
Unlike the cavs with Lebron gone NY can attract big name free agents especially if they clear cap for 2 of them. Knicks will have cleared 55 mil in cap space.

07 Oct 2018 15:38:36
Shizzee NY hasn't signed a good free agent in decades.

07 Oct 2018 16:14:17
Cavs aren't going to spend their money on hardaway and waiters during the rebuild. Unless its using cap to get a pick.

07 Oct 2018 16:25:09
This actually one the better proposals you do for Knicks to clear. Cavs will have trouble signing a player like Hardaway or even waiters. if hood walks who will the cavs sign if they buy out Smith and hill next year who would they sign better then hardaway ava waiters. Unless they trade for a different overpaid player with Smith and hill to play with love who they got for the next 5 years. Even though hardaway not enormously over paid. Not the best but cavs and bucks get better and I think Miami only does if they can't get butler.

07 Oct 2018 16:36:27
So Cleveland is the only team in the league that can’t over pay midlevel players to attract them? If the Cavs are willing to throw a bad contract at a guy like Waiters or Hardaway, they can get those type of free agents. We, be seen small market teams get those kind of free agents every year.

08 Oct 2018 03:23:12
What player can the Cavs sign next year for 18 mil better then hardaway. I believe Hardaway better then Thompson and Thompson get 18 mil a year. Cavs aren't tryna get picks to rebuild they want to compete now or least compete for play offs with love. Just say hood walks who would the cavs sign better then hardaway. This coming from someone live 45 minutes from Cleveland. Cavs.

08 Oct 2018 11:29:10
Aminu, Morris, Ariza, Reddick, Mirotic, Beverly, Thad Young, T Evans, Dinwiddie, Randle, Teague, Valanciunas, Oubre, Winslow, Brogdon, Rozier, and Barnes.

08 Oct 2018 16:18:25
I'm only taking Barnes, Winslow or Beverly over hardaway but done those are restricted free agents.

05 Oct 2018 19:40:37
Miami Heat: Tyus Jones, Jimmy Butler, Justin Patton;

Minn. Timberwolves: Dion Waiters, Josh Richardson, Bam Adebayo, first round pick 2019;

06 Oct 2018 17:11:25
feel like if heat were offering this, deal would be done already.

05 Oct 2018 16:17:35
The Lakers get Bam, Richardson, and a Heat 2nd

The Heat get Butler and Dieng

The Wolves get Ball, T Johnson, Wagner, Heat 1st, and a Lakers 1st.

05 Oct 2018 16:36:44
Wolves already making out by getting Ball, no need for the picks.

05 Oct 2018 17:09:35
Wolves asking for Bam + Richardson for Butler + Deing. No need to involve Lakers. Besides, Heat appear to have rejected that deal anyway.

05 Oct 2018 18:03:45
That is a really bad deal for the heat. Dieng is just to long lasting of a deal and 50 million dollars. To me fair value is bam, Richardson, for Butler, Dieng, 2019 1st. That's how far off I think values have been for an expiring contract and -$50 mil. Someone will pay more and also risk losing butler after the season if the kawhi Leonard situation plays again.

06 Oct 2018 01:29:31
It’s also a bad deal for T-Wolves. Only winner here is Lakers. No deal.

06 Oct 2018 17:13:06
heat have to get something from la for this to make more sense than a trade with just minn.

05 Oct 2018 13:53:57
getting tired of Twolves not trading Butler..

Butler to Miami
J.Richardson and T.Johnson going Minny

additional, Wolves want Dieng out, trade him to Suns with Jones for Chandler and 2nd rd pick

and Heat wants Waiters out, send him to Kings with 1st rd picks for any expiring contract/s..

05 Oct 2018 14:39:49
You’d need to add a first to get rid of Dieng and why take back a bad contract and more salary while only getting back 2 mediocre players if you’re Minnesota? Butler is a top 15 player no matter what you think of his attitude.

05 Oct 2018 04:52:02
4 team trade

suns trade center Tyson chandler to timberwolves point guard tyus jones trade to the suns, timberwolves trade center gorgui dieng to the kings for sg ben mclemore to suns, timberwolves jimmy butler to heat center bam Adebayo, sf josh Richardson, and sg dion walters.

this was approved by espn nba trade machine

05 Oct 2018 09:48:13

05 Oct 2018 13:38:36
So kings get a crappy contract and no pick?

05 Oct 2018 17:11:49
Echo that. Impossible to follow without writing it all down.

05 Oct 2018 02:14:24
T-Wolves - Heat - Spurs - Suns

trade: Jimmy Butler
Receive: James Johnson, Justise Winslow, 2019 Heat 1st, 2019 Raptors 1st (from Spurs).

trade: Hassan Whiteside, James Johnson, Justise Winslow, 2019 1st.
Receive: Jimmy Butler, Pau Gasol, Durell Arthur

Trade: Pau Gasol, Patty Mills, 2019 Toronto 1st.
Receive: Hassan Whiteside, Dragan Bender

Trade: Durell Arthur, Dragan Bender.
Receive: Patty Mills.

05 Oct 2018 12:31:26
Not a chance Minnesota takes back James Johnson's albatross of a contract.

Only one way for Miami to get Butler. No Richardson, no Butler.

05 Oct 2018 15:30:21
Minnesota has less leverage every day. Johnson is not an albatross. He is overpaid, but he can play. They get Winslow and 2 1st picks. May be the best offer they can get.

05 Oct 2018 16:00:29
James Johnson is solid. T. Johnson has the bad contract. I think James has really good value if you need a PF.

05 Oct 2018 16:15:04
James Johnson is signed for the same amount of years at Dieng for nearly as much money, is 3 or 4 years older, and can't shoot from 3. How does he help Minnesota?

05 Oct 2018 18:13:34
That is going way overboard! Dieng is going to cost to move. J. Johnson could be moved without costing anything. They are 2 different players, and the wolves would be far better off with Johnson than Dieng. I thought you were a wolves homer? Johnson defends the perimeter and the paint, Dieng barely gets up and down the floor.

05 Oct 2018 02:09:31

MIA get Jimmy Butler & Gorgui Dieng

Pg Dragic/Johnson
Sg Butler/Wade
Sf Winslow/Ellington
Pf Johnson/Olynyk
Ce Adebayo/Dieng

ATL get Hassan Whiteside & 1st round pick MIA

Pg Young/Lin
Sg Bembry/Huerter/Anderson
Sf Prince/Carter
Pf Collins/Plumlee
Ce Whiteside/Len

MIN get Kent Bazemore, Josh Richardson, Dewayne Dedmon (exp) & 2nd round pick MIA & ATL

Pg Teague/Rose/Jones
Sg Bazemore/Richardson
Sf Wiggins/Deng/Okogie
Pf Gibson/Tolliver
Ce Towns/Dedmon/Patton

05 Oct 2018 16:04:14
It's a creative trade, wolves still probably want a 1st. I think the suns would be more likely involved than the hawks if there is a third team. Kings as well. Kings will probably get something with their cap by the deadline.

05 Oct 2018 20:30:59
Wolves and hawks say no.

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