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06 Apr 2019 21:51:00
BOS/OKC

BOS get Paul George

OKC get Jayson Tatum & Gordon Hayward

Pg Westbrook
Sg Hayward
Sf Tatum
Pf Grant
Ce Adams

BOS/NOP

BOS get Davis, Hill

NOP get Horford, Brown, 4 1st round picks


resign Kyrie

BOS Celtics

Pg Irving
Sg Smart
Sf George
Pf Davis
Ce Baynes

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06 Apr 2019 22:26:30
If Horford opts in he can't be traded until December 15 2019, it would still be possible if NOP was willing to drag out the Davis/ Klutch drama any further, but I think they conclude all earthly business with Davis in July, quickly.

06 Apr 2019 23:57:40
I would rather have Tatum and Hayward than PG13. Anyway
New Orleans will want Tatum in a deal for AD.

07 Apr 2019 02:45:15
That’s not true. If he opts in, his contract isn’t new, he can be traded the day any time after he opts in.

07 Apr 2019 05:04:00
No it is not, I stand corrected.

08 Apr 2019 09:18:55
What you would prefer Hayward and Tutum over PG? Hayward has negative value with his contract. So you think Tatum has more value than PG. I think this take is pretty eclusive.

08 Apr 2019 23:00:01
Hayward has negative value in a trade, not in real life on a team.

You’re getting Hayward and Tatum for the same price as George, so count them both. It is somewhat close, but I’d take George over them both.

09 Apr 2019 09:36:22
Now I don't get you. You say Hayward has negative value in a trade. But if you say you have to spend the same for Hayward and Tatum than for PG that means Tatum is way more valuable than PG. That's just wrong.
If I had to take PG or Tatum I would take PG by far and I'm sure every GM as well. So how do you come to your take?
You have to build a team and if you spend 30 million on an average player like Hayward you can't keep others.

09 Apr 2019 23:09:54
Absolutely would rather have Hayward and AD over PG13, every day of the week ;)

06 Apr 2019 21:56:50
ATL/SAS

ATL get TOR 1st, Metu

SAS get Prince

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06 Apr 2019 23:29:37
Dude. Stop. ATL is not getting a 1st rounder for Prince unless ATL is willing to take a bad contract along with the 1st round pick.

So if we were talking about Mills and the TOR 1st rounder, then we MIGHT have something to talk about ( However, Spurs have never been about salary dumps) .

Maybe Snell + Ilnoysia + Milwaukee 1st for Prince?

07 Apr 2019 02:52:44
Generally I agree with you Fredman, but you’re wrong on this one. How is pick 29 more valuable than a guy who puts up 14, 4 and 3 a night while shooting 39% from three and is on a $3M contract next year? Spurs won’t get that production out of that pick, and Pop doesn’t play rookies much anyway.

Prince would be a quality addition to a team in need of athletes, and a need to get younger.

07 Apr 2019 06:27:18
15 pts/ 7 rebounds per game and shooting 35.3% on an expiring deal gets you 1 future early 2nd round pick + 3 future very late second round picks at the trade deadline. Last time I checked that is not as good as pick #29 in the upcoming draft. But its okay if you don't agree.

07 Apr 2019 20:50:12
Who is 15pts,7 rebs, 35% shooting? None of those numbers match-up for Prince.

07 Apr 2019 20:50:46
@Fredman, I believe Milwaukee would pass. I don't believe prince is worth Snell, Ilyasova PLUS a 1st. Rd Pick. the Bucks could do a lot better with a different trade.

07 Apr 2019 23:09:01
I'd do the deal if I thought Middleton was leaving, and Mirotic was staying. Ilyasova, Snell, #30 is a small price for the #'s Triangle posted. Prince is 24, completing his 3rd season on a team that reshaped its entire offense, and defense from last season to this one, and his #'s reflect 0 variance in his output? A steal a game, and 38% from 3 is a 3&D small forward in this league. I'd offer 12-15, 3-4 years to him when he expires.

08 Apr 2019 00:12:59
Sorry, I am assuming Prince's numbers actually drops by going to the Spurs simply because of the difference in Pace (Hawks led the league while Spurs was one of the slowest playimg teams) as well as the diminished touches Prince will get in San Antonio. I believe that you are talking more about 10 PPG and 2 RPG with the Spurs.

Jorga, the stats I quoted were what Mirotic was averaging when he was traded for matching salary and 4 (really only 1 "good") 2nd rounders. Using that as a SIMILAR market for Prince, ATL is not getting a 1st rounder back without taking back a a "bad" deal. It's just what previous deals (AKA the market) show.

08 Apr 2019 00:29:06
I wouldn't compare Mirotic, and prince situation at all. The pelicans went rebuild, and probably met a request from Mirotic. You're trying to trash the prince value to make a case. Mirotic deal is just semantics, include this, leave out that, and you have prince value based off of a different situation entirely is subjective in the least. Prince also has half a season on Mirotic, and is younger, but that wouldn't matter either I'm sure.

08 Apr 2019 13:01:06
A player averaging 15/ 7 and shooting 35% from 3 versus a player averaging 14/ 3 shooting 39% from 3 is a bad comparision? Okay, I don't know about "bad" but it is a "close" comparision. I tend to believe when you remove the players names, personal opinions and biases are also removed as well. AKA the 14/ 3/ 39% player's value is "close" to the 15/ 7/ 35% players value. Its not perfect but it is more based in fact that anyone's (including my own) personal opinion.

So let me put it another way, ATL is going to need a perfect storm of situations (Injuries to playoff team, Prince only player on the trade market, marked improvemwnt in the off season, etc) to drive up his current value to a 1st round pick.

Remember that a 12/ 8/ 55% FG player wouldn't get the time of day from most of you as well.

08 Apr 2019 14:25:35
Pick a player who is 24, has a season to go at 3M before RFA and that is the closest comp you can come up with for Prince is Mirotic? I'd fjre you if you if you were my agent negotiating my next contract.

08 Apr 2019 20:32:38
That has been traded this season to show what their trade value is? After doing more research perhaps Rodney Hood (12.2/ 2.5/ 36.% from 3) would be a better fit for you. What did Portland give up to get him from Cleveland? Expiring salary and 2 future 2nd rounds (Portland's 2021 and 2023 picks) which are nowhere near the value of 2019 pick #29/ #30. Does that work for you?

08 Apr 2019 21:55:43
5 year unrestricted free agent is a comparison to a 3 year, going into final year before RFA? Since when? Prince is the more accurate 3 shooter, and better defender in less time in the oven. A mid to early 20's 1st shouldn't be that hard to get. Maybe they do take back a matching, or close, expiring salary. Not a 10M plus though.

08 Apr 2019 23:42:51
Show me an actual trade of a pick in the mid 20s + expiring salary for a young player with Prince's comps. Not seeing one over the last 2 years.

While I have another SIMILAR comps of Justin Holiday, (2 second rounders) . So that is 3 trades within the last year that are SIMILAR to Prince, with all 3 essential generating 2 2nd rounds picks for ATL.

09 Apr 2019 02:01:39
Prince > Justin Holiday.

09 Apr 2019 18:26:49
Kings
Prince

Hawks
'20 SAC 1st

Barnes expires when Prince enters RFA, seamless transition @ SF for SAC, plus a back-up after trading Anderson.

Pacers
Prince

Hawks
Indy 1st

Indy is moving on from Evans, and Mcdermott hasn't been a good addition.

Blazers
Prince

Hawks
POR 1st
Labissierre

Blazers are desperate for someone to be a better player @ SF. Aminu might be gone Harkless, Prince is a decent fill for the SF/ PF the blazers need. Hood is hard to watch for me. Cannot make a wide open spot up 3. Has to be off the dribble. Prince has no problems with catch and shoot. Trent is still green.

09 Apr 2019 21:33:24
I like the trade as proposed by USA. Prince is a young athletic wing who is still on a rookie deal. Spurs have two first round picks this summer and do not have many roster spots available. I think they would definitely want Prince for the Toronto pick (28 or 29) and Metu. Metu was a 2nd round pick last year who showed little this year even though he was on the roster all year. Prince is a proven player with upside. Spurs could do much worse.

06 Apr 2019 15:01:36
Knicks Offseason

Trade

Pelicans get Lance Thomas (Salary Match Purposes), Kevin Knox, Dennis Smith Jr, Frank Ntlikina, 2019 #1 Overall Pick, and the Maverick's 2021 and 2023 1st Round Draft Picks

Knicks get Anthony Davis


Free Agency

Sign Kevin Durant to a Max Contract

Sign Kyrie Irving to a Max Contract

Sign Jamal Crawford to the Veteran's Minimum

Sign Zach Randolph to the Veteran's Minimum

Sign Al Jefferson to the Veteran's Minimum

Sign Joe Johnson to the Veteran's Minimum

Sign Pau Gasol to the Veteran's Minimum

Sign Vince Carter to the Veteran's Minimum


Roster

Starting Lineup

PG Irving
SG Dotson
SF Durant
PF Davis
C Robinson

Bench

Crawford (6th Man)
Randolph
Gasol
Johnson
Jefferson
Carter
Trier

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06 Apr 2019 16:06:57
You going for the oldest bench in the history of the league there or what. They wouldn’t make it through the season, starters would be player 40 minutes a night by January.

06 Apr 2019 17:07:52
Just run and run and run that team out of the gym.

06 Apr 2019 17:28:28
If they have Irving, Durant, and Davis they won’t have any more cap space so they will have to fill in the bench with savy veteran role players who know the game, are comfortable with their roles, won’t try to do too much, but have experience in the playoffs and know how to win games, and that are chasing a ring before they hang them up. All of those players still have some game left if they don’t play a ton of minutes and can be effective. Durant, Irving, Davis, Dotson, Robinson, and Trier provide the youth, athleticism, and fresh legs. The rest just come in, work hard, do their job, and help win games. You can’t have a strong bench when you have three stars. And stars win in this league.

06 Apr 2019 18:25:41
Did Shizzee change his name? Lol
Wow.

06 Apr 2019 20:04:58
Stars don't win in this league (see Lebron or A. Davis) . Winners become stars in this league. Why is the Greek Freak all of a sudden a star? Because the Bucks have been winning games ovee the last couple of years.

06 Apr 2019 21:40:55
Pels would take that deal

And as for the Knicks, their bench would gain sponsors from Depends, Life Alert and Geritol.

06 Apr 2019 22:01:13
Semantics Freeman. Lebron won for years and years. AD pulled an average team to the second round. Giannis (a Star) is taking his team to the best record in the NBA.

Is Giannis suddenly a star? He was an all star last year.

06 Apr 2019 23:02:13
Joeb I never changed my name
Dacman lmao that's funny
Dotson is ok. Insulting to start with that lineup. Dotson for A. Hawkins-58

You could have some bench vet players. Not all your vet minimum players have to be old.
J. Lamb for MLE. Most of these guys are vet minimum guys, others have to be sold on winning a title to take less.


Irving/ I. Thomas/ McConnell
Lamb/ N. Young/ Hawkins-58
Durant/ J. Green/ C. Brewer
Frye/ Vonleh/ Moute
Davis/ Robinson/ Fall-55.

06 Apr 2019 23:43:50
Milwaukee a playoff team last year? Giannis has been in the playoffs every year but one since he has been drafted. Lebron can't even say that.

Lebron's star is fading. Why? Not making the playoffs is a start. And the fact that the Lakers are looking for another star in order to be winning also lessens Lebron's stardom.

It kind of like that one year stardom of Isaiah Thomas in Boston.

07 Apr 2019 17:27:01
His star isn’t really fading that much, but if there is a reason, it’s age. He’s just not as good as he was.

I don’t think saying “we need two stars to win” lessens anyone’s stardom. You can’t win with just one player.

07 Apr 2019 19:34:22
So who is the other "star" on Milwaukee? Middleton? Remember we are talking about the team with the overall best record.

The arguement is more which is better: a team with one superstar and an above average supporting deep roster or a team with 2-3 stars and a below average supporting roster?

The Warriors have been dominating because they were more of the former than the latter.

08 Apr 2019 23:03:31
Historically, 2 stars is required to win a ring, 3 is recommended. One is rare (all I can think of is Dirk, who had a GREAT supporting cast of all stars past their prime) .

08 Apr 2019 23:06:56
Also, the warriors are great because of their top talent, not depth.

Also, Giannis has 0 rings.

09 Apr 2019 13:15:45
Try a young D-Wade and an aging Shaq/ A. Walker.

May be able to argue for a young Kawhi among the aging Spurs trio as well.

06 Apr 2019 09:37:43
Pistons 2019 offseason

Pistons/ Memphis trade

Reggie Jackson
Jon Leuer
2019 1st round pick
for
Mike Conley

Pistons upgrade at the pg and memphis gets expiring contracts and a pick to set them up for the future

Trade 2019 2nd round pick and Galloway to move up in the draft to get Carsen Edwards

let Ish Smith walk and resign Ellington

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06 Apr 2019 18:58:32
Two bad contracts and a mid 1st round pick for Conley? Memphis is getting robbed.

06 Apr 2019 05:09:27
Cavs land 1

Trade John Henson and jr smith (waive) for Gordon Hayward pick 14,2022 2nd

Trade Kevin love to Charlotte for Malik monk,Jeremy lanb,micheal Kidd gilchrist,pick 10,2019 2nd,and 2022 1st top 7 protected

Trade Jordan Clarkson to detriot for 2019 2nd,2020 1st top 10 protected and Reggie Jackson

Draft
1-Zion Williamson
10-nickel Alexander Walker
14-bol bol
25-mattise Thybulle
38-Goga Bitadze
45-Robert franks

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06 Apr 2019 12:33:31
Not sure why everyone is trying to trade Gordon Hayward for next to nothing?
It sounds like no one has watched him play recently. The last couple of months, he's been dominant at times. He was awesome last night vs the pacers.
I will tell that the Celtics will not trade him, unless they absolutely have to.
You guys will mention money, and that he is not worth it, but many of you are trying to trade him to your favorite team. If he's so bad, why would you want to get stuck with him and his contract.
I'll tell you why, you know how good he is and hope to get him 9n the cheap.
No way this trade ever happens.

06 Apr 2019 14:02:06
Way over valuing Kevin Love. Cleveland would be lucky to get half of that package for him.

Also, Detroit is not going to accept that offer either.

06 Apr 2019 14:58:59
Love for Hayward makes most sense.

06 Apr 2019 15:57:02
Heyward is trash for 30 a year. If people want him on there team it's too get assets for taking his contract.

06 Apr 2019 16:11:12
I do think Hayward’s best days are over, but a terrible deal like this one is not worth moving him in. Better off holding on to him to see if he can bounce back next year. If he still struggles, the deals to move him can’t get much worse than this anyway, and he’ll be another season through his contract.

As for the other deals, Hornets and Pistons say no. There is no way Jordan Clarkson Nets you a first.

06 Apr 2019 21:59:26
I would get rid of Hayward. Irving, Horford, Hayward, AD is 120M. I'd definitely trade Hayward if I was keeping Tatum, but I don't know how badly Brown has trashed his relationship with certain team members. I am not slighting Hayward, but he has been a sluggish player this season recovering from his injury. He's done better than George did his first season back. I'm not going to pretend that Hayward has been a good use if 31M this season though. That is an extreme payment amount for what he has produced this season.

06 Apr 2019 21:59:04
No one says hayward is awful. But fact is he is grossly overpaid. He is a 3rd option on a good team at best. Paid like a franchise cornerstone. Doesn’t add up.

06 Apr 2019 02:17:02
BOS/DET/NOLA

BOS get Davis, Hill, Jackson, Leuer
Get Davis and a bunch of contracts

Pg Irving/Jackson
Sg Smart/Rozier
Sf Brown/Hill/Ojeleye
Pf Davis/Leuer/Yabusele
Ce Baynes/Theis

DET get Hayward & Horford
Get 2 vets to help Griffin

Pg Smith/Galloway
Sg Kennard/Brown
Sf Hayward/Ellington
Pf Griffin/
Ce Horford/Maker

NOLA get Drummond, Tatum & 2 1st from BOS
Are they too demanding for Davis? I believe this could be enough with a you g rising star in Tatum and a young center they could use

Pg Payton
Sg Holiday
Sf Tatum
Pf Randle
Ce Drummond

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06 Apr 2019 14:04:15
That bench for Boston is a hot mess.

06 Apr 2019 02:10:07
If Phoenix can't draft Morant or Zion

LA: Booker
Phoe: Ball+Ingram+Hart+ 1rnd pick LA

LA:
Sign K Walker 139M for 4 years
sign D Jordan 20M for 2 years
Resign McGee vet min
Sign M Williams vet min
Sign R Gay vet min
Sign Bullock 8M for 2 years
Sign Rondo for vet min
Sign KCP 5M for 1year

C: D Jordan/McGee/Wagner
PF: Kuzma/ M Williams
SF: LBJ/ R Gay/KCP
SG:D Booker/Bullock/KCP
PG: Walker/Rondo/Bonga

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06 Apr 2019 06:04:19
3 guys who play decent D for a guy who can score but plays no D Lakers pass .
Suns already Have 3 Wings why need Ingram anyways.

06 Apr 2019 06:14:07
Lakers say no i’d rather trade them all for Beal.

06 Apr 2019 21:58:31
The best part is the vets are telling him to stop getting that last stat padding bucket and he goes out the next game to do it again. I have never known a great player to shamelessly stat pad so blatantly. #'s are a guideline for players, and basketball illiterate owners, not the whole story. Sad he thinks so simply, wrongly, and materialistically with his talent. It's a young, immature, uninformed, attitude, and hopefully he grows up a little next season. Magic says no to protect his laker stats from hollow, stat padded Booker records overwriting his own real ones. Former greats really disrespect stat padding.

06 Apr 2019 02:04:53
IND/DET

IND get Blake Griffin

DET get Myles Turner, Corey Joseph & 1st round pick

Griffin is playing incredibly this season but DET isn't winning with him alone. This may not be enough but the Pacers could make a move like this to upgrade their chances next season

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06 Apr 2019 19:02:27
That may not be enough for Griffin? Give me Turner on a rookie deal over Blake on a max any day.

06 Apr 2019 01:41:04
SAS/ATL

SAS get Prince

ATL get TOR 1st & a contract whoever SAS want to give up

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06 Apr 2019 14:08:32
Wouldnt the Spurs just resign Rudy Gay and keep the pick?

06 Apr 2019 16:16:01
Unless they want to get younger with Murray coming back and Walker IV going into year two. Also, if they go out with a whimper in the playoffs, it’s probably time to let the Gays of the world walk.

I could see the Spurs being interested if they don’t like anyone at 29. Pop has never been big on playing Rooks anyway, may not want two in the same season.

06 Apr 2019 20:10:39
Lets be real. Prince is not going to prevent the Spurs from going out with a whimper. Do better drafting someone with the pick or packaging the pick with their other 1st and getting into the 12-14 pick area of the draft.

06 Apr 2019 20:38:19
Prince would be good for the spurs, even if the other player was Murray. Gay is going championship hunting. He'd be great off the bench for at least half the title contending teams.

07 Apr 2019 02:58:38
You’re right Fredman, he wouldn’t stop the Spurs from going out of the playoffs, but it’s not the point. He’s not on the team now, Gay is. When the Spurs are eliminated in the 1st round, they have to take a long look at this flawed roster and decide whether bringing back Gay is a good idea, which it isn’t.

Murray, Walker, White, Jakob, there are finally some good young pieces on this team. Prince fits well with those kids, and gives them more than pick 29 would.

06 Apr 2019 01:36:29
SAC/DET/ATL

SAC get Drummond & Prince

Pg Fox
Sg Hield
Sf Prince
Pf Bjelica/Bagley
Ce Drummond

DET get Barnes & Len

Pg Jackson
Sg Kennard
Sf Barnes
Pf Griffin
Ce Len

ATL get SAC 2 2nds, Swanigan, Mykhailiuk

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06 Apr 2019 14:15:58
Not sure why Atlanta would move Prince who could replace Bazemore after next season (unless the Hawks are drafting Bazemore's replacement this year) as well as trading Len leaves a big whole in the middle with Dedmon's Free Agency.

06 Apr 2019 16:17:41
I’m not sure I see Sac’s interest with the young bigs they have already that should be ready to step up next year.

 


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