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12 Dec 2018 18:04:15
Oklahoma City and Phoenix Trade Deal


Thunder sends C Steven Adams
$8.1 Million Trade Exception
2 Future 1st Round Picks (Negotiable)


to Phoenix Suns for

T.J. Warren and Deandre Ayton

both have 4 years contracts!

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12 Dec 2018 18:07:39
Adams and the 2 1sts non-lottery protected, I would do. Ayton is not a defender. He's a lesser version of Kanter from what I've seen from him. Shoots a little better. I would be shocked if the Thunder considered this.

12 Dec 2018 18:52:41
Never going to happen.

12 Dec 2018 19:13:46
I know the Sun's GM is rather new to the position, but that doesn't mean you should try to abuse him either.

12 Dec 2018 20:02:04
Adams is one of the worst contracts in the NBA to me. Obviously this isn't a serious post (at least, I hope it isn't) .

12 Dec 2018 23:21:25
Isn't the GM, Ryan McDonough? Or was he fired? Because, if it is still him, he's been around a while and he was working for Danny Ainge before that. He's not likely to cave or let anyone abuse him.

12 Dec 2018 23:24:30
My bad, apparently McDonough was fired. Don't know how i missed that. You can disregard my previous post lol.

12 Dec 2018 23:25:39
Yall r hating on Adams have yall seen him play this year? He has improved since last year he is scoring more while still doing all the dirty work, and fits OKC's system so well how do u consider him as one of the worst contracts in NBA? Mozgov, byombo, Thompson, mahinimi, dieng all of them are making 15 mil or more those are some of the actual bad contracts for just the center position. Adans deserves the contract he has I don't care what u say.

13 Dec 2018 00:55:39
It's the owner JoeB. James Johnson is the GM and he's cool so far. Robert Sarver is and has been a problem for awhile.

13 Dec 2018 01:25:47
Okc is balling. They need a shooter. No way prestige gets rid of Adams. He is the anchor of their defense.

13 Dec 2018 02:18:29
Okc needs shooting.


Okc sends Schroder and first rounder

Suns send ariza.

13 Dec 2018 02:18:42
James Jones.

13 Dec 2018 02:44:26
Sarver is not just a problem, he is THE problem with the Suns. Many, including me, wish he would just take his profits and sell the team to someone, (almost) anyone who knows how to run an NBA team.

12 Dec 2018 18:01:30
*Heat get: Jonas Valanciunas, Delon Wright, Zach Randolph
PG Dragic/Wright/T. Johnson
SG Ellington/Wade/Waiters
SF Richardson/Winslow/Jones
PF J. Johnson/Olynk/Randolph
Ce Valanciunas/Adebayo/Haslem

*Kings get: Norman Powell
PG Fox/Ferrell/Mason
SG Hield/Bogdanovic/McLemore
SF Shumpert/Jackson/Powell
PF Bjelica/Bagley/Giles
Ce WCS/Labissiere/Koufos

*Raptors get: Hassan Whiteside, Rodney McGruder, 2019 2nd (From MIA)
PG Lowry/VanVleet/Lloyd
SG Green/McGruder/Brown
SF Leonard/Miles/Richardson
PF Siakam/Anunoby/Boucher
Ce Ibaka/Whiteside/Monroe

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12 Dec 2018 19:22:07
Ehites8de is useless. Value is better coming off bench knowing his role.

12 Dec 2018 19:51:28
Why are the Kings taking on $20 mil in future salary for a player averaging 5 points a gane? Show me the draft picks!

12 Dec 2018 21:49:24
I wouldn't offer the kings draft rights for an expiring 10mil contract. I'd trade otto porter straight across probably. Whiteside and 2nd for Shumpert, koufos maybe. I'm dumbfounded as to how expiring deals obtain 1sts without taking on salary in return, usually dead salary. For the kings expiring players that is.

13 Dec 2018 01:26:53
Btec- Miami will eat whiteside deal. Letting wade leave and signing Whiteside were huge mistakes.

13 Dec 2018 02:12:23
"I'm dumbfounded as to how expiring deals obtain 1sts without taking on salary in return, usually dead salary. "

Exactly my point. Most trades listed here have the Kings trading away expiring deals and taking on (future) salary WITHOUT the 1st round draft picks.

Plus, you have to consider what the upcoming FA class looks like. With the upcoming FA class, the demand (and thus the value) for current expiring contracts is great. The Kings have a max salary slot worth of expirings. Someone is going to want them, but they are going to have to pay something like two 1st rounders for them probably at the trade deadline. let's say NY for taking Hardaway completely off their hands.

13 Dec 2018 03:20:39
I never was or have been unfair to the kings or proposed deals on here to short them, certainly not purposefully. If Ariza is going to get a 1st and SAC doesn't have one to trade this season then taking on salary is an option. Your being too sensitive and overreacting towards someone who is not a fantasy fan on this site and trolling your team. I do my best to be honest and objective. More than most who post ridiculous trades with their fanboy team getting the extreme advantage.

12 Dec 2018 17:07:01
*Sixers get: Kevin Love, Rodney Hood, Marquese Chriss, Channing Frye
PG Simmons/McConnell
SG Redick/Shamet/Milton
SF Butler/Hood/Korkmaz
PF Love/Chriss/Bolden
Ce Embiid/Johnson/Frye

*Rockets get: J.R. Smith, Mike Muscala
PG Paul/Gordon/MCW
SG Harden/Smith/Edwards
SF Ennis/Green/House
PF Tucker/Muscala/Clark
Ce Capela/Nene/Hartenstein

*Cavaliers get: Wilson Chandler, Markelle Fultz, Zhaire Smith, Justin Patton, Brandon Knight, 2019 1st (From HOU), 2021 1st (via MIA, from PHI), 2019 2nd (via CHI, from PHI), 2021 2nd (via DET, from PHI)
PG Sexton/Delly/Knight
SG Clarkson/Fultz/Smith
SF Osman/Burks/Nwaba
PF Nance/Chandler/Patton
Ce Thompson/Henson/Zizic

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12 Dec 2018 17:45:09
A little bit of an overpay from the 76ers but I like the idea.

12 Dec 2018 18:23:17
Looks one sided in the Cavs favor! Rockets get one decent player out of two, Sixers get an injured player, 2 backup backups, and a decent player? I believe Houston and Philly BOTH would pass!

12 Dec 2018 19:23:17
Torque Houston and philly are in their windows. I think Cavs should do this and the other teo take their shots.

12 Dec 2018 20:15:05
@Shiller41, Of course the Cavs should take it! They're giving up garbage, and getting 5 players plus 4 picks in return? Then again, I see your point, according to their record, they DO need all the help they can get. Maybe T Lue should also come back as a player? From where the Cavs are at. The old Cliché is true. "if your not the lead dog is the race, the view never changes! "

12 Dec 2018 21:53:52
As HOU, I would be against paying a 1st for smith, muscala. Knight is due back in a week. I'd rather have him healthy and a 1st than smith or muscala. There will be other deals. HOU's 1st isn't bad right now.

13 Dec 2018 01:29:03
Btec- is Knight a wing defender?

Houston has pg on lock they need help. They ard too talented to be in lottery and capped out. That is the definition of basketball hell.

13 Dec 2018 03:28:39
Shiller41, I'll take my chances with Knight defending the 2, keeping my current lottery pick, before paying a lottery pick for Muscala and Smith. Maybe closer to the deadline, see what the rockets record is at that point, still no way on the 1st. I'm stingy with picks for teams that are supposed to be good but aren't. Look at the Griz, 1 of 2 injured players return, and a good draft pick and their solidly in the playoff race.

13 Dec 2018 03:38:34
Btec- nobody on Houston's roster guards wings. Eith harden and cp3 almost untenable because of contracts only one rim protector, they got to make a move. Their core players can't be traded and they aren't rebuilding.

13 Dec 2018 04:00:46
A 1st that is in the lottery for J. R. Smith? The guy who lost game 2 for the cavs? I mean he isn't a defender? I don't follow? I thought you were a magic fan, not a cavs homer? Just Kidding, but serious what is smith and muscala going to do in terms of win shares for the rockets? Seems like extortion, and a fools ransom to me.

12 Dec 2018 16:10:17
Whiteside for Hardaway Thomas
Hardaway is from Miami, they hate Whiteside. Make sense. Thomas final can be bought out for 1.8 mil.


Mudiay Burke for Melton Daniels suns 2nd
Fair value

Lee for Bayless
Wolves lack exp at sg make sense

37 wins 3rd
Ntilikina/Evans/Bayless
Trier/Melton/Baker
Knox/Dotson/Hezonja
Vonleh/Robinson/Porzingis
Whiteside/Kanter/Kornet

Next summer
Trade Whiteside final yr to Dal for Dal 2nd after Jordan make sense
Knox for mid 1st not worth more
Ntilikina for 2 Magic 2nd not worth more

With 9 mil payroll including noah money, NY will combine Walker Leonard and Durant 4yr 120mil, before it needs to resign Porzingis. Essentially knox for Langford or Grimes. Knicks draft Ja Morant.

Walker/Morant-8/Melton
Leonard/Trier/CalebMartin-45
Durant/Langford/CodyMartin-pickup
Porzingis/Paschall-33/Washington-50
Robinson/Govan-35/Bitadze-34

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12 Dec 2018 17:57:21
Melton is cheaper younger and just as productive as mudiay.

12 Dec 2018 18:10:14
Mudiay is NY's best PG. No way Melton is as seasoned as Mudiay. Mudiay is raw, and so is Melton but Mudiay is a starter in NY and Melton can't crack the rotation without injuries.

12 Dec 2018 18:36:52
Minnesota lacks experience at SG? Last time I checked, Wiggins is in his 5th year and Rose is in his 10th. Okogie can't get playing time.

Minnesota has no need for Lee.

12 Dec 2018 18:58:32
Since when is Wiggins the starting 2 for the Wolves? He was the 3 all last season. Is this a Butler thing?

12 Dec 2018 19:16:45
Yes. Covington starts at SF, Wiggins at SG (as he should have been for his entire career) .

12 Dec 2018 20:21:18
Wiggens can't shoot lmao he isscorer.

12 Dec 2018 21:57:00
Makes sense if Covington is starting. I'd rather have Wiggins handle the ball than Covington. Wiggins is athletic enough to keep up with or go around other 2's or bully them with his size. Looks good to me.

12 Dec 2018 15:39:04
Pacers/ Lakers/ Suns

Pacers get Caldwell Pope and 2nd rounder from Lakers

Lakers get Ariza

Suns get Joseph and Leaf.

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12 Dec 2018 16:16:42
If there's a 1st to be had, that would be my move. I don't know why the Suns would entertain anything else, unless it was too good to be true. They have the worst record in the league. Picks seem logical.

12 Dec 2018 17:34:42
Nice trade.

12 Dec 2018 17:38:18
not exactly sure why Indiana does this deal. The pick doesn't really amount to much and Pope doesn't really add much to their roster.

12 Dec 2018 14:34:57
UTA/NOLA

UTA get Davis & Hill

NOLA get Gobert, Ingles, 1st round pick & 2nd round pick

Only if everyone commits, is the value anywhere close?

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12 Dec 2018 15:02:39
Lottery picks need to be included and probably more than one. This deal is not even close.

12 Dec 2018 15:31:05
I don't think either team does this. I think Gobert is one of the best centers in the NBA. He seems happy in Utah. I wouldn't trade him for someone that wouldn't have the inherent happiness and would likely leave.

12 Dec 2018 17:35:30
Bmiller true word.

12 Dec 2018 10:26:59
LA: M Conley+ J Allen

Memphis: Rondo+ Camdwell Pope+ W chandler+ Ingram+ Fultz+ 2rnd pick Philly

Philly: M Gasol+ Russell

Nets: L Ball+ 1rnd pick Miami 2021

LA:
C: Allen
PF: Kuzma
SF: LBJ
SG: Hart
PG: Conley

Memphis start rebuilding, they can develop fultz and Ingram. And they get cap relief next year.

M Gasol would be a great sixth man in philly and Russel can reunite with B Simmons

L Ball can play in a big market, with lesser presure and the Nets get an extra draft pick.

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12 Dec 2018 11:38:42
Memphis isn't tradi nb g 2 starters for crap return.

12 Dec 2018 12:14:09
I don't like it for LA. Conley is overpaid and will not do better for Lakers.

12 Dec 2018 16:19:47
No PG except Irving has done well next to LBJ. Only because he could shoot but it didn't last very long before Irving wanted to go somewhere else. Conley is George Hill for the Lakers. Bad idea. LBJ takes from the PG.

12 Dec 2018 18:03:12
Mo Williams made an allstar game next to Lebron and Lebron made Boobie Gibson look like an allstar. Outside of Irving, he hasn’t played with any good pgs. Lonzo has been basically the same player he was last year next to him. Hill was solid as usual. IT is damaged goods. Delly was at his best next to Lebron. Chalmers was ok. Conley would be good next to Lebron.

12 Dec 2018 18:29:00
Mo williams was an alternate due to injury. Those aren't all-stars in my book. LBJ was a rookie, long before his drive, and kick, terrible defense days. Gibson? Was a shooter. Played very little PG. Way more shoot, shoot, shoot. Williams was a lou williams type scorer as well. No defense. Again, not much of a PG, more of a shooter, shooter, shooter.

11 Dec 2018 22:15:20
3 Fultz trades to teams who can't lure stars so maybe will decide to take a chance on fultz

Phi gets - Bullock and trade exception(Boban)
Det gets - Fultz

Phi gets - Simmons
Magic gets - Fultz

Phi gets - Johnson and Okafor
Nop gets - Fultz

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11 Dec 2018 22:39:02
Fultz has zero value add sixers 1st.

12 Dec 2018 01:24:16
I expected the Fultz trades to resurface around the deadline. His rehab for thoracic outlet syndrome should be concluded by then and he'll have to tell everyone he has the yips.

12 Dec 2018 02:25:55
@Btec, Agreed! I still would like the Bucks to try and make deal for Fultz. They don't need him until next year, When Bledsoe's contract is up. Let Fultz take the time to get himself together. Just a thought.

12 Dec 2018 03:55:46
Lol they’re going to take Okafor back?

12 Dec 2018 07:31:02
Torque, I think anyone who believes Fultz is hurt is optimistic beyond a reasonable doubt. I have yet to see a happy ending to a yips diagnosis. Its why no one wants to publicly admit they believe its the yips, and we've been given a B. S. Story so far.

12 Dec 2018 15:07:24
Btec, Agreed! But, Do you think it would be worth it for Milwaukee to look into it? Philly couldn't be asking that much to find out? Its either that, Or try to find money for Bledsoe? I believe the Bucks will resign Middleton, as they can offer 38 Mil a year for 5 years, Whereas everyone else will be maxed at 34 mil for 4 years. Bledsoe has been playing very well, But, Where will the money come for he and Middleton, The Brogdan?

Your Thoughts?

12 Dec 2018 15:24:08
You can over the cap if you keep your own players. Fultz is a lost cause. All the media hype should be red and blue lights telling you to stay at away from Fultz. Another teletovic. Unless you have secret information about Fultz not having the yips? 10mil on your bench? Why? You would not get him for nothing. I wouldn't pay Middleton 38mil. He may get it but I don't think it's proper value. I line Middleton too. Bledsoe shouldn't be crazy high. Magic could chase him. Other than that Bledsoe is keepable for the bucks.

12 Dec 2018 16:18:01
Btec, I appreciate the reply. Maybe it would be easier for Milwaukee just to resign, Middleton, Bledsoe, Brogdan, etc. They seem to be doing Ok, with them. But, I also believe they could use a legit backup SF. behind Middleton. I think they should have kept S. Dekker instead of trading him for J. Smith with the Wizards.

12 Dec 2018 16:41:06
Brogdan isn't bad. He keeps improving and he's intelligent. Bledsoe is underrated defensively and as a facilitator. It's why keeping and paying Bledsoe isn't a bad idea. If Middleton gets the full 38, sign Bledsoe, Brogdan. See how it goes, if it doesn't work, they have tradeable deals. Not Middleton though. He's going to have to play and improve to be worth 38. Giving Durant 38 is a lot different than giving guys like Middleton 38.

12 Dec 2018 18:28:52
Btec, The low end for Middleton would be maxed at 34-35 Mil. for 4 years. Its believed a lot of teams would try and match that. Milwaukee can do 38 Mil for 5 years max. I'm not saying its a good deal? but the Bucks can simply offer more. I don't think Middleton is better than Giannis who is getting 25 Mil. a year currently.

12 Dec 2018 18:52:23
I like Middleton at 30-32mil range. He's underpaid compared to love, and Hayward but those guys are overpaid. Otto Porter Jr. Money is what I had Middleton slated to start at, finishing his Fifth at around 35, in 2mil seasonal salary increases. He could get more depending on what other teams do. Small markets have a tough time, but the Bucks dodged a bullet with Parker, luck only lasts for so long, probably have to pay Middleton.

12 Dec 2018 20:19:42
Agreed! Parker is Chicago problem now! They seem to need a lot all areas.

12 Dec 2018 20:20:12
Agreed! Parker is Chicago problem now! They seem to need a lot all areas.

11 Dec 2018 21:26:05
Knicks


NYK- Marcin Gortat (exp), Milos Teodosic (exp), 2nd round pick
LAC- Enes Kanter


NYK- Garrett Temple (exp), Ivan Rabb (exp), 2nd round pick
MEM- Courtney Lee


NYK- John Wall, Jason Smith (exp)
WSH- Tim Hardaway Jr, Frank Ntilikina, Lance Thomas 2020 1st (top 5 protected)


These moves will free up enough for two MAX FA's this offseason for the Knicks. It also puts them in better position to obtain a top 5 pick in the draft by tanking. This could make the Knicks instant contenders next season.


Sign to MAX
SF Kevin Durant
C Demarcus Cousins

Draft
3- SG Cam Reddish


STARTERS
C Demarcus Cousins
PF Krisaps Porzingis
SF Kevin Durant
SG Cam Reddish
PG John Wall

BENCH
C Mitchell Robinson
PF Kevin Knox
SF Damyean Dotson
SG Allonso Trier (Resign)
PG Emanuel Mudiay (Resign)

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11 Dec 2018 22:39:50
Funk cousin garbage team player.

11 Dec 2018 22:47:46
In what world does 2 expiring contracts and a 2nd rounder get you Courtney Lee who still has 2 years on his contract and plays like 10 mins per game. NYK should be giving a pick in that case.

12 Dec 2018 00:11:04
Janet is yours until he expires. Temple is better than Lee. These deals are pipe dreams.

12 Dec 2018 00:40:28
The Knicks can not afford Wall, Durant, and Cousins along with Porzingis’ cap hold unless one of them are taking a major pay cut.

12 Dec 2018 02:23:27
This is actually funny. Not sure how you are going to get 2 max salary slots for the Knicks considering you will have cap holds for Porzingis and Mudiay as well as John Wall's super max deal goes into effect next season. #DoBetterResearch.

12 Dec 2018 02:29:05
Just a fyi. Jason Smith was traded to the Bucks for S. Dekker plus a 2nd rd pick and cash. The same trade brought G. Hill to the Bucks, and sent Dellavedova, Henson and a 1st and 2nd rd pick to The Cavs.

12 Dec 2018 15:54:39
Fredman you're not sure about anything from what I can tell.

12 Dec 2018 18:50:22
Btec, Really?

noah $6,431,666 noah $6,431,666
knox $4,385,640 knox $4,385,640
robinson $1,559,712 robinson $1,559,712
Dotson $1,618,520 Dotson $1,618,520
Mudiay resign min $1,378,242
Wall $38,150,000 Trier resigned min $1,378,242

PZ Cap Hold $17,091,162 Wall $38,150,000
Mudiay CH $12,883,437
Trier CH $ 4,134,726 Porzingis CH $17,091,162

Total Salary$86,254,863 Total Salary 2020 $71,993,184

Salary Cap $118,000,000 2020 Salary Cap $118,000,000

Cap Space $31,745,137 Cap Space $46,006,816


First row is basic breakdown of proposed moves which is way, way short of the $70 mil in cap space needed for 2 Max Contracts for Durant and Cousins. Second row is taking into the consideration of waiving rights to Trier and Mudiay and resigning them to minimum contracts (which is doubtful but possible) . Again, far short of the $75 Mil needed for Durant and Cousins.

And the scary part is that I have not added the salary cap holds based upon empty roster spots as well as for the first round lottery pick the Knicks have for Cam Reddish.

12 Dec 2018 19:16:30
mikefred/ Fredman, how much is Ryan Anderson getting paid next season? Answer that? I have no exception with insider27's post. Glad I know the new name of your trolling handle.

12 Dec 2018 20:08:02
Anderson has a $21 mil contract with 15.6 guarenteed next year. Still doesn't change the fact that I would not trade away most of the Kings expiring contracts for Anderson and Ariza and not expect a draft pick coming back. There will be better deals at the trade deadline for the Kings expriing deals and available cap space. Ariza does not significantly improve the Kings playoff chances. The previous trade proposals have been do-do and I can't understand why you don't see that.

12 Dec 2018 22:05:12
You called me out man! Called me a liar, accused me of disseminating bad info, and used that to accuse me of not knowing anything? This is the first I've seen or heard that you are aware of the significant salary difference of Anderson. Expiring contracts get picks when bad salary is taken in return!

11 Dec 2018 21:23:12
December 15

Rockets Trade Eric Gordon Carmelo Anthony 2019 first round pick (Top 20 protected)

Cavs Trade Rodney Hood Jr Smith Ante Zizic

Carmelo Anthony still on rockets rosters

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11 Dec 2018 21:37:17
Rockets fan.

11 Dec 2018 22:54:54
Helps Cavs save money and gets a draft pick.

12 Dec 2018 10:58:52
No I’m not a rockets fan.

 


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