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28 Sep 2018 13:46:18
Try on Butler?

Since the market seems to be limited for Butler, because he wants out and is on his final year it may convice the Wolves to offload some larger contracts.

Gordon from Houston is a scorer not a defender, Miami probably will not send out both you guys in Winslow and Richardson and it will be not simple to match the salary, when Wolves do not want multiyear contracts back. Boston will probably not ask for Butler and Memphis or New Orlines do not have trade chips.

Sending Wes is as good as defender as Butler and would complement Wiggins well.
Brunson maybe is a future starting PG and a future 1st is some asset. But to take away Dieng could be interesting for Wolves in exchange for Powell will much less salary. At Mavs Dieng could be the Jordon backup instead of Powell:

- Matthews
- Powell
- Brunson
- future 1st

- Butler
- Dieng

If the Suns want Teague in any case, Mavs could profit in a 3 team trade, when Suns take Teague by sending Chandler to Wolves and Bender to Mavs.

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28 Sep 2018 15:58:37
youve offered that junk package for every available or quazi available player in the past 2 years (with the exception of brunson)

29 Sep 2018 14:31:31
There are circumstances to consider:
- Butler is not in the training anymore and requested the trade
- Dieng holds a quite bad contract for the next 3y
- Matthews instead is on the final year but still a great Defender to Play 3 and D
- Powell is a good back
- Brunson a promising prospect
- Future 1st picks can have more luck since the draft rules have changed
- There are not much better offers to request! Since Gordon is not as good as defender and Wolves do not want ot have Whiteside.

27 Sep 2018 00:40:29
According to ESPN within the last 24 second of overtime or the regular season the Lakers won 3 Out of twenty. They won 35 games but lost 17 close ones. With the Lakers getting kings James and developing Ingram Hart and kuzma plus ball more looks like Lakers are a 50 plus win team. If they can get a star in free agency and keep rondo would make them contenders. I think Lakers don't make no deals unless they get rid of one there rookie players and expiring contracts for a star. I just wanna see james play off the ball and average like 35 pt and 10rb and 4as. With smothering defense.

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27 Sep 2018 02:41:01
Lbj's smothering defense days may be in the past but he can still do an above average job. Everyone they signed brings playoff experience and performance. The Lakers are no joke. The wild card for them is four developing talents that get better every game.

27 Sep 2018 06:04:28
I think if James stopped handling the ball as much he could go back to that he still has the speed its like he concentrated on setting the offense instead playing defense.

27 Sep 2018 12:13:35
Last season he did for sure. Drive and kick to the four guys standing out on the perimeter. It was awful to watch, and not a very creative offense. How they defeated the celtics? Even Philly?

27 Sep 2018 13:32:32
Do you watch basketball? Lebrons value is having the ball, drawing attention, finding the open man. For his career he hasn’t been a great shooter. So taking the ball out of his hands, cutting his assists in half, it’s a great way to ruin his all time great value.

27 Sep 2018 18:26:04
But as you age you supposed to change your game and it's time to bring out his post game and let the point guards be point guard and control the ball.

27 Sep 2018 18:27:51
He never played with a pass first point guard so he needs to change and be more effective in post where he can't be stopped.

27 Sep 2018 19:07:58
I think parking Lebron in the paint makes him a considerably less useful player. He's not a big bodied PF, he wouldn't just push guys around. He has to be on the perimeter against bigs, or in the paint against wings. That's where his true valuable mismatches are.

I still don't understand why he wasn't just played as a PG. That's what he is. Why try to find a PG that fits his playstyle when you can just get another 3 and D wing to play with him. Houston had it right doing that with Harden. I think Batum's progression as a player was cut off because of that too (not that he's close to the same player as Harden or Lebron) . He could have been a really good PG though.

27 Sep 2018 20:30:19
James is strong and quick. Finishes good at the rim he unstoppable in the post. What pf would stop james green the best pf defender and james kills green. Lakers have two pass first who can't really shoot so when James controlling basketball what they going to do set screens just saying James need to be in the post more and handle the ball less it will be more team success. Rondo and ball can feed james, Ingram, kuzma kcp and Hart. With James controlling ball in crunch time surrounded by there best shooters.

27 Sep 2018 21:22:59
Yeah, Rondo was a bad signing and Ball is a horrible fit. Neither makes any sense to put around Lebron.

Lebron is unstoppable in the paint when he starts at the top of the key and gets a full running start. If he puts his back to the basket and tries to actually post up a big man (say Anthony Davis), his strength isn't as big of a factor.

The Lakers best option is to cut ties with Rondo, trade Ball for a wing, and start Lebron at point. That makes them the best possible team. At no time will having Ball, Rondo, and Lebron be a good thing all together. It was a poor move then, and it still is. Unfortunately for the Lakers, that can't happen because Ball's value is minimal.

28 Sep 2018 02:17:40
Davis not even big he tall but hee not strong as James maybe Howard, Drummond, gobert, embiid or capella would give James problems in the post because strength but James got speed to counter that.

28 Sep 2018 05:57:46
I don't think lbj would get away with the cavs play style last season in the west and be successful. The cavs were better with Irving and he is a pretty classic point guard like rondo, just shoots better. Rondo is far and away more skilled and talented defensively. It will be interesting.

28 Sep 2018 16:04:33
Davis is bigger than Embiid, Capella and Gobert. So yeah, there's that.

26 Sep 2018 18:06:05
Looks like Carmelo Anthony will be coming off the bench in Houston.
Guess those comments a few months ago were a bluff.

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26 Sep 2018 19:58:05
Didn't he say those about coming off the bench for OKC before last season? Different team, different situation. Also, that was a year ago, a year is a long time.

26 Sep 2018 20:13:23
Trump colluded with Russians apparently too. We'll see opening day. There's a small chance he starts at SF, with tucker at the 4. I just don't see harden, Paul, Anthony defensively holding up which would send him to the bench. Odds are your right though collider, Anthony is officially a bench warmer.

28 Sep 2018 13:47:19
not unless they trade for Jimmy Butler. Melo will still be a starter.

30 Sep 2018 09:33:22
Melo needs to do what the coach thinks is best for the team it’s a long Season the guy can still ball just not like he did at Denver or Knicks.

25 Sep 2018 16:37:34
kings get - Phi 2019 1st, Dieng and Bayless

wolves get - Covington, Shumpert, Koufos and Zhaire Smith

76ers get - Butler(resign)

- Giles, Jackson, McClemore

- Rose, Shumpert, Okogie/Smith, Koufos

- Saric, McConnell, Chandler, Muscala

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25 Sep 2018 23:43:53
76ers can't trade their No. 1 because it may convey to Boston.

26 Sep 2018 19:33:09
I feel like Fultz would have to be included in a deal if the Sixers wanted to acquire Butler.

25 Sep 2018 05:56:59
A lot of teams now play more small ball than big ball but what are some of the teams with a good big lineup. I'd say thunder could potentially have a good big lineup.
PG Westbrook
SG George
SF Grant
PF Noel or Patterson
C Adams

Do y'all agree with Thunder? What other teams and what is the lineup?

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25 Sep 2018 08:24:11

Pg Ball/ Rondo
Sg Ingram
Sf James
Pf Kuzma
Ce McGee


Pg Mitchell
Sg Crowder
Sf Ingles
Pf Favors
Ce Gobert


Pg Curry
Sg Durant
Sf Iguodala
Pf Green
Ce Cousins


Pg Green
Sg Thompson
Sf Durant
Pf Cousins
Ce Looney.

25 Sep 2018 12:29:10

25 Sep 2018 12:47:29
I just don't see Horford playing the 5 everyday. I think I'd have Brown come of the bench and insert Baynes or Theis at the 5 and Horford at 4.

The beauty is Boston is really deep.

26 Sep 2018 20:03:30
Lillard, McCollum, Harkless, Collins, Nurkic is good lineup with two traditional bigs.

How are the Lakers or Celtics lineups "traditional" big lineups? Kuzma is a hybrid forward, and Hayward is a wing. Those two guys at PF definine the modern small ball NBA to me.

29 Sep 2018 10:03:59
Is big weight or length because bucks have some long wing span guys also.

24 Sep 2018 14:37:59
Your top overrated players?

My list
1. Blake Griffin
2. Andrew Wiggins(could improve w/o butler)
3. Kyle Lowry

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24 Sep 2018 15:26:28
Id have to go with wiggins, and I don't think its even close.

I actually think Wiggins will get worse without butler. At least butler was in his teammates face about defensive intensity. Without butler, Wiggins will decline in defense (hes already one of the worst at his position) and likely just shoot it more, which he already does in an inefficient way. Also given his contract, he is just a negative all around.

24 Sep 2018 15:57:06
I think griffin, Wiggins, Lowry are overpaid but I wouldn't define them as overrated, or that most people attribute greater play and ability to these 3 guys than they actually exhibit. I think Westbrook is overrated but not overpaid. Same for lillard. I think shroeder is overrated and overpaid as well by most people typically.

24 Sep 2018 18:24:05
Griffin and Wiggins are overpaid, but I think it would be hard to find someone that thinks either is a top 20 player (now or potential wise) . Wiggins was rated properly for his potential, and he never met it, and his rating has tanked. Griffin was probably properly rated for his play, but it has fallen off, as has his rating.

I think Lowry is underrated and slightly overpaid. He is a top two player on the second best team in the NBA last year. Yet when making a list of the top 10 PGs, he's rarely on that list.

Draymond is a bit overrated when looking at the ESPN player rankings. He's not a top 20 player.

Jason Tatum is currently badly overrated. I like him a lot, and I think he has a chance to be a top 20 (maybe even top 10) player. But ranking him as the 24th best player in the NBA right now is insane.

And Westbrook is overrated as well. He's looked at as a top tier player with Lebron, Harden, Durant, etc. But realistically he's in the next tier with Lillard, George, Irving. He's a top 10-15 player, definitely not top 5.

24 Sep 2018 20:15:41
To me play don't define what you already paid that player what if you got love for that player and pay him because you can.

24 Sep 2018 23:15:43
Devin booker 150+ mil
Andrew wiggins 150+ mil
Mike Connelly 200+ mil.

25 Sep 2018 16:51:57
Conley only got 150. And I don't think that was a bad move at the time. Memphis was working on their third straight 50 win season when he got hurt. They made the conference finals recently.

And Booker is 21 and his efficiency has gone up drastically each of his 3 years. Maybe he plateaus, but I think Phoenix has to take the gamble that he takes the next step. I think worst case scenario, he's the SG version of Cousins. Best case, he's the next James Harden.

26 Sep 2018 01:01:09
Mike Connelly has 152m contract with the option for another year at 34m so your right not 200m Bmiller66 but still wow that’s overrated,

26 Sep 2018 16:04:17
The 34 million ETO year is part of the 152 total. I agree it's an overpay, but it's Memphis, not exactly a free agent destination. You don't just let good players walk away, especially when they have had great success recently.

Memphis had genuine realistic potential to get to the conference finals when he signed that deal. I wouldn't break that up to save a few dollars. Sometimes team success gets individuals paid even if the individual isn't worth it. Conley got that. Draymond is about to get that. Boston may see that with a few of their players the next couple years too, that's probably their biggest issue with creating a dynasty right now.

24 Sep 2018 13:00:03
Me, all knicks fans and Dolan are all tired of loosing

Ntilikina Hardaway Thomas Baker
Walker Batum

They dump Batum. Frank is the future

Lee Kanter 2019 unprotected
Butler Dieng

They dump Dieng and get pick. Lee descent replacement for Butler


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24 Sep 2018 15:06:27
Funny, both Paul Allen and Dolan have large cable companies and stink as nba owners? Wonder if there's a connection? A cable connection? Ha, ha, ha!

27 Sep 2018 14:08:47
Knicks need to be sold, Dolan isn't do them any good.

22 Sep 2018 14:48:04
Lets say Leonard and Butler team up in Clippers and Durant joins Lakers..

Which is the better team??

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22 Sep 2018 15:35:02
Obviously the lakers

Lonzo-Hart-Durant-LeBron-McGee (Kuzma, Ingram)

22 Sep 2018 21:42:15
I want to see the Lakers signs cousins if he come back great.
Sixth man kuzma.

23 Sep 2018 05:15:11
Cousins doesn't win, play defense and has no playoff experience. Lakers need shooting.

23 Sep 2018 12:25:10
Be good if lavar coaches lakers too
Lakers roster is a ticking time bomb don’t understand why magic signed these players I hear they are only on 1 year deals so what Lebron is going to have to slow down soon
Go Celtics.

26 Sep 2018 17:42:43
There's no question that Lebron/ Durant beats Leonard/ Butler by a mile. The role players don't matter, and they're fairly similar.

21 Sep 2018 11:12:47
Can't wait to see ball new shooting form and how beautiful it looks and improved like magic says. Well he did shoot 41 from the 3 in college

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21 Sep 2018 14:32:07
Yeah. Magic is clearly never a self promoter. I’m sure that’s an unbiased opinion that his first major draft pick isn’t a bust.

21 Sep 2018 15:27:45
Ball isn't a bust, he played very good for a rookie. Way better than nkilitina and no one is talking bust about him yet. When people do, nkilitina's age gets brought up and that he's only 20. Isn't that true for ball as well and he had the more productive rookie season?

21 Sep 2018 16:02:53
Agree ball is far from a bust. He hadd a solid year and played defense.

21 Sep 2018 16:14:21
That’s he difference between the second and 9 pick. Besides, frank was good at d. That’s what he was expected. No one is talking about him because he was the 9th pick. That’s historically a crap shoot.

Ball was historically one of the worst shooters. Shooting under 50% from the free throw line indicates serious issues with shooting. Now you are taking the ball out of his hands. Aka he will be a major offensive liability. His defense was statistically average at best. Taking him over Tatum? Smart. That’s the problem. Ball will be compared to what most considered to be a better prospect. Ergo thus far he’s a bust.

21 Sep 2018 16:16:32
I also don’t understand that statement. Ball isn’t a bust unless you agree that the person taken 7 picks is as well? I’m not a fan of frank. Think he was overrated and still is. And I think the same for ball. They both could be busts and I feel they will be. It’s jut far different when the 9th is a bust versus the second.

I just think it’s funny. Literally one of the worst shooters ever with a broken shot. And after a few months magic says his shot is beautiful and fans are gullible enough to believe him?

21 Sep 2018 17:00:23
Simmons and ball are both terrible shooters but they pass and handle the ball well. The knicks were playing ntilikina at SG? A bad shooter moved to SG? Drafted as a PG yet no confidence in his handles mid way through the season? Neither of these guys are done with the nba just yet but Lonzo ball isn't a bad player. That's just ridiculous.

21 Sep 2018 17:15:56
How is ten seven and seven a bust as a rookie who was in gym all summer improving and adjusting to the NBA. Second team all rookie and missed what 30 games. Ball being a bust is your opinion. i want to see his second year before I say busyt or just wasnt worth second pick.

21 Sep 2018 17:55:10
Ball clearly isn't a bust, he just doesn't have an incredibly high ceiling to most people. He'll be a nice role player.

21 Sep 2018 17:58:01
Again. He had those stats on one of the worst teams in the league.

He will have less assists over he won’t be the primary ball handler. And he again was historically bad shooter.

I don’t understand how the argument is that frank isn’t good. I agree. They both were bad compared to expectations.

Balls shooting was what, 36/ 30/ 41. That’s horrific. He was the second pick. That’s just dreadful. Perhaps not a bust, but definitely very scary when a player is THAT bad of a shooter. The free throws was the scariest part.

21 Sep 2018 18:47:34
I brought up ntilikina because he is a PG and he was drafted in the lottery of 2017. It's not a ntilikina slam, its a Lonzo ball isn't a bust defense. If ntilikina has support in the league then ball rightfully deserves some as well.

21 Sep 2018 20:46:44
Btec both were wasted lottery picks.

21 Sep 2018 21:34:18
The success of the guys taken directly after them factors in the disappointment too right? LA should have Tatum. That should bum Laker fans out. Tatum, Ball, and Fultz will always be linked. At this point, it looks like Phili and LA will regret that order for a decade.

Also, if I'm picking top 3 or 4, I'm expecting an all star caliber player. At 6-10, not as much. I'm hoping for an above average starter.

21 Sep 2018 22:48:28
No draft pick is a guarantee. You can't say 1-6 are eventually all star caliber players because people choose wrong. The draft is a gamble in every way. (Fultz) It seems good now because there are sons of fathers who played nba basketball pumping into the league at a high rate right now. It will slow down, and draft picks will be traded like underwear again in the nba. Foreign nba players kids will be another big tide change in the NBA in about 5-10 years.

21 Sep 2018 22:50:08
ll let him hate more. It’s his opinion. So what if Lonzo is a bust or not. For us Lakers fan, we are hoping that he’ll improve. Only one year in the league and there’s a lot of chance left. We’ll see.

22 Sep 2018 01:52:56
Let James do his work with bal and rondo.

22 Sep 2018 02:00:16
Nothing wrong with hoping. But to go, wow magic said his shot is beautiful now. He’s going to be great.

That’s just nonsense. All of what bmiller said is true. Top 5 or so are supposed to be franchise changers. Top 3. Have to be. That’s why management gets fired. Ball is clearly way behind Tatum. Thus when compared with him, Ball is a bust. That’s all.

Besides. Frank is a waste. Knicks should have had balls and taken Donovan like the rumors said.

22 Sep 2018 05:04:34
You blow simple things out of proportion. Like I said I wanted to see what magic was taking about you respond like I said I guarantee ball shot will improve and he be a complete difference maker like magic said. Ball was a fourth option on a borderline play off team. With James there now top 4 team.

The Lakers are built on play makers and defenders. They going to ware you down and let James close the games. If ball and rondo can average 12 to 15 points, Hart average ten, beasly 7 to 9 Stevenson 6 to 8. kuzma 16 and Ingram 19 to 21 plus kcp 12to 14 and McGee 4 plus James 27 plus, there going to be great. its going to come down to defending the shooters on golden state and Houston for the Lakers. And James actually taking the last shot himself.

22 Sep 2018 17:51:43
Nope. I read what you wrote. Which was Can't wait to see ball new shooting form and how beautiful it looks

That’s foolish

Also. To give you an idea of how foolish you are. If they average that. The lakers average about 150 a game. Go on.

22 Sep 2018 21:59:39
After looks I said like magic said. never agreed just said I wanted to see.

23 Sep 2018 01:38:50
And I wrote that you think the lakers will average like 150 points a game and broke it all down. Care to explain that?

23 Sep 2018 22:13:47
I used in between and got 125. The players average don't match the teams ppg.

24 Sep 2018 01:21:54
Actually, if you use the bottom numbers you get 125. Which means worst case you are predicting a top 3 offensive team in league history. no ones scored near that amount in about 37 years.

Great thinking as always.

24 Sep 2018 03:33:49
Actually it's 115. Sorry for my 2sense. U Guys are hilarious.

24 Sep 2018 11:13:58
Right but you can add each players ppg stats and it not the same as the teams average points per game. Like last year Andre Ingram averaged like 12 points a game but barely played. So adding up the player averaged does not equal the teams PPG average. Your ridiculous dude.

Lakers offense was number 11 with james they should be like top 5. I say 111 per game this year.

24 Sep 2018 15:39:39
Ball - 12
Rond0 - 12
Hart - 10
Beasly - 7
Stevenson - 6
Kuzma -16
Ingram - 19
KCP - 12
McGee - 4
Lebron - 27

That equals 125. I think you didn't include Hart because he wrote out ten, instead of putting 10.

The point is, this is just a homer post. This is the same as OKC fans who were like, oh, we are getting melo. Now add melo, PG13 and Westbrook, and now we have like 75pts per game. It doesn't work that way. You have Lebron averaging among the most in his career, Rondo averaging the best in years, Kuzma, Ingram, Ball, Hart, all scoring more. There still is one ball. stop being a homer. This is foolish.

24 Sep 2018 18:20:34
First all I had ball and Hart averaging just two more points because I think from there rookie to sophomore year they can improve a little.

I got kuzma at the same because he not going to get as many touches but he should improve so stayed same.

Ingram going to improve a little so his shooting and scoring go up.

Kcp actually about the same.

This team looks like Miami heat averages but James there best player other then dragic.

You can add all teams player point averages and it will be way more then the teams average pointsper game.

27 Sep 2018 16:39:05
You are adding points to last years scorers, without many providers being taken away. On top of that, you have Lebron adding 27 pts, rondo 12, beasly 7, stephenson 6, mcgee don't just add players and their averages are added on top. Again, there are still just 48 minutes in a game, 1 ball, and 5 players per side. It just makes no sense.

Also, as far as the player averages not equating to the team averages. there's a reason, some players play only a few games, or there are injuries. In that case, who will be missing extensive time to allow for 125 pts minimum adding the players points together? Your max is closer to 140.

27 Sep 2018 20:36:57
But you lose randle Thomas Lopez Clarkson Nance. Like I said add up golden state and see the results. I believe there team the exact same all last season.

20 Sep 2018 17:00:14
De'Aron Fox or Dennis Smith Jr??

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21 Sep 2018 02:58:52
Smith jr. Has the better size if the 2, is older, but I like smith jr. More as an nba'er.

23 Sep 2018 03:36:38
This one is tough. It really just depends on what kind of system you want. They are both young with great potential. I would say Fox just because I like his playing style more he's faster and more athletic. Again either one is good


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