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03 Sep 2018 15:25:43
I know Rozier can walk at the end of the year and the Celtics might not have the ability to sign him to a long term deal given the other contracts coming up, but do the Celtics have to keep him right now?

Losing him for nothing is a hit to a point, but with all of their draft assets, it's not something they can't easily overcome. What they can't over come is an injury to Irving during the season and not having a guy like Rozier to come in and give them a poorman's version of Irving. Smart is an interesting role player and more important to the team, if Irving is around, but there's no chance to beat the Warriors with him as your primary ball handler. To go even further down the line, if Irving walks and you traded Rozier, how do you replace him? It seems like Rozier is more valuable as an insurance policy than a trade asset. Especially for a team chalked full of trade assets.

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03 Sep 2018 22:34:01
Rozier is a restricted free agent next July.

04 Sep 2018 02:40:37
Boston ain’t breaking up they can afford to sign Rozier Horfords big money will be stretched or resign longer with less money. Yabusele and Morris maybe the casualties.

04 Sep 2018 08:22:58
If the Celtics resign Irving and someone throws a big offer sheet at Rozier, I don’t see the Celtics looking at the numbers and deciding they can spend all of that money at pg with Tatum and Brown on the verge of new contracts. Even if it’s something like 15 million at some point your going to have 35 million for Irving and Gordon, 25 million for Brown and Tatum, 12 Million for smart, I’ll lowball Horford and say 12 million, and low ball the rest of the line up and say 25 million. That’d be a 175 million dollar pay roll minimum.

I just don’t see them signing Rozier, if Irving is in the fold. Especially when, they’d still have Smart as back up pg, Brown and Tatum will be able to handle more ball handling responsibilities, and they can get a cheap veteran back up pg for pennies on the dollar and Stevens has shown the ability to make anyone into a serviceable pg. If you can get 90 percent of back up Rozier for a tenth of the cost from the scrap heap, you probably do that.

04 Sep 2018 15:08:50
Honestly, I really think that Irving will be the one traded come Feb especially if Kyrie has any setbacks. It makes the most financial sense if the C's want to sustain the same intensity as they did after KI went down. Irving going down and the C's making it that far in the playoffs showed they really don't need him to achieve what they are looking for.

If the rumors have any legs that Irving will go to the Knicks then DA will move KI for a good player and picks at the deadline. Hard to believe C's would trade him to the Knicks who have no # 1st rd. picks. Kanter could be usefull at the 5 and Al at PF, but a third team would have to be involved for the C's to aquire a first rd. pick and another player.

04 Sep 2018 15:20:56
The Knicks have all 1st rounders. No team is giving a good player and picks for Irving if he is being traded because of a desire to be a Knick and a guarantee rental. Stop it.

04 Sep 2018 15:41:23
I think they'd be foolish to trade Irving or Rozier. Go into the 2019 offseason knowing you're losing one. Option #1 is Irving. If he walks, you match any offer on Rozier. It's kind of the perfect situation to be in with an all star on an expiring contract.

04 Sep 2018 15:55:44
Billj, they need Irving in the finals. They needed him in the ECFs and with the revamped Raptors, they may need him again this year. He just pushes the Celtics ceiling so much higher. He’s going to make plays in big spots. Even if your not sure about his future, I think the Celtics should roll the dice with him.

04 Sep 2018 18:06:31
I believe they need him. None of us know what's being discussed between Ainge and Irving. But if it looks like Kyrie may want to bolt then DA will move him for sure, Ainge isn't going to let him walk for nothing.


Knicks do have the 12th pick, but they'll have to give that to rid themselves of Noah. If the Knicks were to land KI and JB they'd gladly give that pick and Noah for a future 1st rd and player.

03 Sep 2018 11:32:30
Best per natural position East vs West

1st team

East
Pg Irving
Sg Oladipo
Sf Giannis
Pf Porzingis
Ce Embiid

West
Pg Curry
Sg Harden
Sf James
Pf Davis
Ce Towns

2nd team

East
Pg Wall
Sg Beal
Sf Kawhi
Pf Love
Ce Drummond

West
Pg Westbrook
Sg Butler
Sf Durant
Pf Green
Ce Gobert

damn Western Conference still has Cousins, Aldridge, PG, Klay, Paul

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04 Sep 2018 13:53:21
Yea the west is loaded with all stars. It will be interesting to see who makes the all star teams this year. If they do the draft for the teams like last year I'm sure they are, and still make it the same amount of players from the East and the West a lot of players from the West will get snubbed and players from the East will be lucky and happy.

06 Sep 2018 02:44:24
Irving
Leonard
Giannis
Porzingis
Embiid

Vs

Curry
Harden
Durant
Lebron
Davis

Cant get inside against east but the 3 game will get them destroyed.

03 Sep 2018 11:24:57
Who would you rather have? Assuming all are healthy, again all are healthy. Not by position but by their skillset

Embiid or B.Simmons

Gobert or Porzingis

Mitchell or Jokic

M.Turner or Ingram

Davis or Giannis

Beal or McCollum

Towns or Tatum

Klay or P.George

D.Booker or J.Brown

Kawhi or Kyrie

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03 Sep 2018 15:59:10
Embiid (for now, I think Simmons overtakes him soon)
Gobert (not very close)
Mitchell
Turner (not a huge fan of either)
Davis (very close)
McCollum (I guess, they’re basically the same)
Towns (that most likely changes after this year)
Klay (very similar players)
Booker (and it’s not close. I like Brown, but he’s a solid role player. Booker is an elite scorer)
Kawhi (not very close if you look at Leonard’s peak. The problem is that Kawhi has only done that for two years)

03 Sep 2018 18:13:53
Simmons based on his ceiling

Porzingas, he’s not the defender Gobert is, but he’s so much better on offense. You can limit a defenders impact somewhat.

Mitchell, he can be a great 2 way player.

Turner by a hair. Neither has even scratched the surface on what they could be.

Giannis. He’s already gotten his team to the playoffs more times than Davis and in a smaller time frame. Plus, he realistically could be the best player of all time, if he continues to improve. It’s only a slight chance, but if you were building an athlete in a lab to play basketball, it wouldn’t be far off from GA.

Beal, he’s younger and like Bmiller said, they’re almost clones.

Towns, if he develops correctly, he could be unstoppable on offense and a force on defense. The only player that can do what he could do is Davis and maybe Porzingis.

George, because he’s better defender and more rounded offensive player, but Klay fits seemlessly on any team.

I’d take Brown. He’s not the offensive player Booker is, but given the situation of the points, I don’t think there is as big a gap as raw stats show and Brown was near elite on defense last year. Booker is awful.

Kawhi by a lot. As soon as Irving was told traded to Boston he somehow magically went from a top 20 player to a top 10. Weird how much better the market made him. He’s a great offensive player, but a bad defender. Kawhi is probably a step behind him offensively, but defensively Leonard is miles ahead.

04 Sep 2018 14:23:57
Simmons, he has a high ceiling and he is a lot more versatile he can play PG SF and PF once he gets a solid jump shot its over.

Porzingis, again higher ceiling when you have someone 7ft or taller than can hit 3’s and control the ball as good as he can you have to take him.

Mitchell, even though he is a lil small for his position he has a great shot at being an All-NBA two way player in the future.

Turner, but close. Turner has good potential to control the Paint at both ends of the floor while also having the ability to step out past the 3 point line. Most bigs now can either defend well or play offense well not many do both and he has potential to do both.

Davis, we saw what he can do at the end of last season and playoffs he was dominating in the West and swept Portland in the Playoffs. If he plays the 5 more than the 4 I think he could one day average 30 pts 15 Reb which would be amazing.

Beal, a lil younger and a lil taller but they are almost the same.

Tatum, with Mitchell and Simmons this year I feel he was really overlooked by a lot of people, but he has amazing potential. Once he gets a lil more of an NBA body and improves a lil on defense this guy is going to be a beast. I could see him being a better version of Paul George.

George, I love Thompson he is overlooked and underappreciated, but I take George. We have seen George be the #1 go to guy in Indiana and he played the role very well led them the the conference finals where they lost to LeBron but it wasn't easy for LeBron. I would love to see Thompson be on a team where he is used more.

Brown, Booker is great on offense, but Brown doesn't have near the offensive opportunities as Booker because he is on a team with other all stars and a winning team. Booker plays with 0 all stars and on a rebuilding team. And Brown is a lot better at defense than Booker.

Kawhi, this one's easy when healthy best 2 way player in the NBA. But I love Irving and he is very clutch especially in the playoffs and finals where it matters most.

04 Sep 2018 14:33:16
I think Irving is better offensive player by allot then Leonard and Leonard way better defensive player then Irving. Irving does play defense though. I think Leonard was coached better and has a better IQ shot selection then Irving. Being coached better helps that iq. but Irving improved when he got coached by Stevens can't wait till this season to see but Leonard the better player but not by miles in my opinion.

05 Sep 2018 14:37:02
B. Simmons
Porzingis
Mitchell
Ingram
Davis
Beal
Towns
Klay
D. Booker
Kawhi.

02 Sep 2018 03:47:01
Now the Lakers settled the Deng situation and not giving up no future pik or young player. They havee cap for max player. I accept Butler but Leonard would awesome. King James and either player would be great with thelakers youth against golden state especially if they keep durant and Klay don't think they keep boogie.

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02 Sep 2018 13:48:14
I don’t see Lebron and butler being a great match. Again you need a star who can spot up shoot and doesn’t need the ball primarily. Leonard seems great. But even with that, I just don’t see the lakers as a roster that can beat the warriors or be a legit contender. Even with Leonard. Sorry.

02 Sep 2018 18:53:30
Lakers need another star and a good center that won't het killed in pnr.

04 Sep 2018 14:28:09
If Cousins returns to previous form they need to do everything they can to sign Cousins and Leonard. I doubt they get both but if they can while keeping most of the young talent then they could compete with Warriors, and be one of the top 2-way teams.

01 Sep 2018 17:17:03
Now, who are the teams that will be interested in Luol Deng? Or where will he find some minutes?

Maybe

Wolves? They are thin on wings right now and he is an old Thibs player
Spurs? Yes they have wings but Deng could fit that system well
Thunder? He can play some bench role at the 4
Pelicans? They need some vet
Or others?

What is your idea? Will he go overseas?

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01 Sep 2018 19:10:38
Lakers buy him out the a team takes a cheap flyer.

01 Sep 2018 20:11:09
The Guangzhou Long Lions are pretty thin at sf.

31 Aug 2018 01:40:00
How would the nba players salaries be based on team performance for instance have a base salary
Example
Lebron earns 30mil a year as his base
salary then if his team makes the playoffs his salary increases 5%
If he make 2nd round his salary increases 10%
conference final 20%
Final 40%
If a player gets injured he still gets his base salary plus a increase on what his team does
If your team doesn't make the playoffs the base salary doesn't increase if your team finishes in the bottom 4 your base salary gets deducted by 5%
Just a rough idea to avoid tanking

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31 Aug 2018 13:44:20
The players aren’t the problem though. Most of the tanking teams are made up of young guys and fringe players. They don’t have the talent to be competitive and they gut the roster further near the trade deadline and buyout season. Most of the players on those teams are barely in the league. They’re playing hard just to stay in it.

31 Aug 2018 14:08:34
Penalizing players for what management is doing is a horrible idea. Borderline victim blaming.

01 Sep 2018 00:50:29
Maybe give franchises a penalty too for finishing in bottom 4 I mean your remarks are if the players are so badly treated (they live a great life ) what about the fans who’s teams tank.

01 Sep 2018 05:44:04
I don’t think either us were inferring the players are treated poorly. It’s just that the players on bad teams still have every incentive to play hard. There next pay check depends on it and that’s not to mention that most professional athletes are highly competitive people. They had to be to get there.

Financial penalties for the franchise might be more helpful. I doubt smaller market teams would be interested in implementing that though. I think those owners see tanking as the only way they can compete with the handful of teams that can attract free agents. Also, they’d probably point to the growth of the league and say that tanking hasn’t hurt ratings or earnings.

Personally as a fan of a small market team, I’d rather see my team tank than hover around the 7 through 10 mark. Atleast I can see a path to building a contender through tanking. I can enjoy watching young talented players develop, while it happens.

The only thing I see that can be changed is the lottery. Even then, it’s impossible to have a league where everyone has a real chance of being good and there is no incentive to being bad. If bad teams don’t get an abnormally large percentage of top picks and they’re not a free agent destination, they would have to have a lot of luck to build a contender. You’d basically end up with a third of the league being similiar to what Brooklyn was this year. Those teams also wouldn’t have anything to pitch to their fans.

Tanking is a problem that is almost impossible to get completely rid of without the league being worse and less competitive.

26 Aug 2018 21:18:44
Magic
Kobe
James
Malone
Shaq
Sixth man Kareem.
Beat that team with only players who where signed to your team

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27 Aug 2018 04:41:07
Thunder/ Supersonics

PG Russell Westbrook
SG Ray Allen
SF Kevin Durant
PF Shawn Kemp
C Jack Sickma
Bench
PG Garry Payton
SG James Harden
SF Paul George
PF Spencer Haywood
C Steven Adams
In case of injury Rashard Lewis.

It was too hard to decide who to start and bench at some positions so I figured I'd list the bench, you might disagree with where I put a player as far as starter or bench goes, most could go either way. Westbrook/ Payton and Allen/ Harden where the hardest 2. If you haven't heard of Sickma or Haywood I would suggest looking them up a couple of players that are under rated and hardly talked about anymore.

28 Aug 2018 07:07:37
Cousy, Rondo
Havliceck, Allen
Bird, Pierce
Garnett, McHale
Russell, Parish.

29 Aug 2018 02:22:54
Don't forget Shaq was a Celtic.

29 Aug 2018 12:56:58
C: R Smits/ B Miller
PF: J O' Neal/ D Schrempf
SF: C Mullin/ P George
SG: R Miller/ D Granger
PG:M Jackson/ J Rose
Coach: L Bird


Damn, we never had a good pointguard.

29 Aug 2018 21:54:58
Bill Walton was a Celtic too. They have the best set of bigs ever if you count the guys that went there late in their careers.

30 Aug 2018 00:07:35
ll. aren’t you putting in wilt.

30 Aug 2018 08:23:17
How could i forgot Oladipo?

C: R Smits/ B Miller
PF: J O'Neal/ D Schrempf
SF: C Mullin/ P George
SG: R Miller/ D Granger
PG: Oladipo/ M Jackson.

31 Aug 2018 02:10:30
Rose
Wade
Jordan
Pippen
Parrish.

31 Aug 2018 05:38:08
Billups/ Lowry
Carter/ derozan
Mcgrady/ Kawhi Lenord
Bosh/ Antonio Davis
Olajuwon/ o’niel


Not bad for one of the youngest teams in the league.
Also not bad for a lot of players not wanting to come north of the border.
At least 7 hall of famers.
If only mcgrady and Carter stayed.

01 Sep 2018 19:12:03
Shaq
Horace grant, penny, mcgrady, dennis scott, Vince carter, grant hill,

26 Aug 2018 16:22:55
Malik Monk or Buddy Hield?

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26 Aug 2018 17:29:47
Monk. He is 4 years younger, still has time and space to develop.
Hield really hasn't show much.

27 Aug 2018 04:41:34
I also take Monk.

27 Aug 2018 17:43:29
Definitely Hield. Yeah, I get the age, but both were chosen because of their shooting abilities. Monk could only hope he gets to Hield's level.

Again, Hield this past year shot 43% from 3. that's elite levels. He was number 9 in the league.

Monk has shown nothing to make one think he will be an elite shooter. Heck, his fg percentage was 36.

Im not huge on hield, but to say he hasn't shown much, he was selected as a shooter and in 3 years, shot over 41% from 3. He is exactly what people hoped for.

27 Aug 2018 23:02:40
Monk had a pretty stiff up tick in stats toward the end of the year. I’d probably go Hield, but not by much.

29 Aug 2018 12:57:56
Hield, i like his shooting.
But Monk still has potential to become the better player.

26 Aug 2018 04:04:45
LAL should sign nick Young back to complete our dream team :)

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28 Aug 2018 02:16:03
Maybe it was Magic Johnson who posted bail for Young over the weekend.

23 Aug 2018 15:28:01
What are some new rules the NBA should make? For example I think in the 4th quarter each coach should be allowed 1 challenge if the score is not more than 10 points apart. MLB and NFL both have challenges and it saves a lot of disagreements and arguments. For example a goal tend that's not called a goal tend or vice versa (Cavs vs Pacers), a step out of bounds on a game winning shot (Bucks vs Thunder), a moving screen on a final game winning play (T-Wolves vs Thunder) . These are just 3 examples from this season that changed the outcome of the game I could go on and on. Some people might say it's just one game it doesn't affect much but those games add up and in a playoff series or tight conference one game can cost you the series, the playoffs, or home court advantage.
Do y'all agree with this idea, and what are some ideas y'all have?

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23 Aug 2018 16:31:57
They should give the playoff teams with the 8 worst records lottery odds, tier the lottery (1-4 have the same odds and so on with ties between tiers like the 4 and 5 seeds having the odds between the 2 tiers split), and it should be a straight lottery. It won’t completely eliminate tanking, but it takes a lot of the incentive out and you won’t end up with teams straight scorched earth to have the worst record. If there isn’t a ton of difference between being the 8th worse team and the worse team.

23 Aug 2018 17:14:22
It's a drastic change, but I love the Elam Ending rule. Making a target score instead of a timed ending makes the end of the game considerably more enjoyable. It ends intentional fouls. It ends the drawn out aspect of the end of NBA games. Every game gets a walk off shot. It add excitement to the game.

For the lottery, changes need to be made, but I'm not sure what makes the most sense. Maybe all teams that don't make the playoffs get an equal chance in the lottery. That gives incentive to miss the playoffs instead of making the 8 seed, but not much of one. The wheel isn't a bad option, where you just get the #1 pick every 30 years. That definitely makes trading picks more definite. If you trade a first, you know if it's a top 5 pick or a late first years in advance.

I agree with challenges. Though, I'd just tie them to timeouts. You can challenge any time, but it burns a timeout (but doesn't give the benefits of a timeout like advancing the ball or substitutions if challenged when that team wouldn't be allowed to call a timeout) .

23 Aug 2018 18:40:15
Yea that would also work challenges count as timeouts without the time out benefits. All I know is they need to do something to eliminate some of the player ref tension.

23 Aug 2018 21:27:39
Award more money to the team owners who make the most games and get the furthest in the playoffs. That would help offset lottery-tanking a bit. Old draft rules when the team with the most losses could end up a #14 by a slim margin should be reinstated. When the new no worse than 3 rule came into play the tank became more popular.

24 Aug 2018 19:36:10
Team seeded 9th in both conferences get top lottery picks with head to head deciding who gets it.

31 Aug 2018 16:37:02
What about pushing back the draft until after the first 2 weeks of free agency and some kind of compensation for teams that lose an allstar. For example, if a team signs a player that has been an allstar 2 of the past 3 year, they forfeit their next 2 picks to the players former team. You could really handcuff the building of super teams and teams with stars in the last year of their deal wouldn’t have to sell off players for pennies on the dollar.

 


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