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11 Jan 2019 00:56:27
I know it's not ideal but could you see superstars eyeing to team up on the Kings?
They got ton of cap space and great young talents that'll be on rookie deals for awhile.
Here's a coupl different lineups

Fox/Hield/Kawhi/KD/Bagley

Fox/Hield/Butler/Bagley/Cousins

Fox/Hield/Klay/KD/Bagley

You can obviously switch any 2 FA's, just something interesting to think about

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11 Jan 2019 07:33:28
I don't think Sac can convince a superstar.
The last and only all star player, they could convince to come was B Miller in 2003. And that was a team that already had C Webber, Bibby and Stojakovic.

I'm not sure stars like to play with young potentials, they want to win now and they don't like their mistakes.
And that's to bad. Those Sacramento teams would be great.

11 Jan 2019 14:32:29
Sac ain't paying cousins.

11 Jan 2019 18:10:22
I can't see it ever happening. Why go to Sacramento when you could go to either LA team? Why leave SF to go to Sac?

11 Jan 2019 19:20:52
Bmiller- sac might overpay 2 guys.

11 Jan 2019 21:36:38
Sure, but overpay means that it’s not a star you’re getting. They could max out Middleton and Tobias Harris. That might even be a great idea with their youth. But I can’t see Leonard, Durant, Klay, etc going there.

10 Jan 2019 21:26:09
Jazz trade - Exum and Sefolosha
Jazz get - THJ and Knicks 2020 protected 1st

Knicks trade - THJ Kanter and 2020 protected 1st
Knicks get - Zbo Shumpert Sefolosha and Grant

Magic trade - Simmons and Grant
Magic get - Exum and Kings 2 2nds

Kings trade - Shumpert Zbo and 2 2nds
Kings get - Kanter and Simmons


Mitchell/THJ/Ingles/Crowder/Gobert

Mudiay/Lee/Knox/Vonleh/Robinson

Exum/Fournier/Ross/Gordon/Vucevic

Fox/Hield/Simmons/Bjencia/WCS

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10 Jan 2019 21:25:36
If any of the top free agents left their current teams, these are my top teams for each player to sign with

Kevin Durant - Knicks
Kawhi Leonard - Clippers
Kyrie Irving - Knicks
Klay Thompson - Lakers
Khris Middleton - Lakers
Kemba Walker - Pacers
Demarcus Cousins - Mavs
Jimmy Butler - Clippers

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11 Jan 2019 07:02:04
i really hope Kemba comes to Indy.

11 Jan 2019 12:11:21
I don't see kemba and dipoto thriving together. Both need the ball in their hands.

10 Jan 2019 04:30:12
R. J. Hunter returns to the Celtics (avg 22 ppg in G-league. Could this mean that someone is going to exit?

Could Rozier be traded, or someone else be released?

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10 Jan 2019 05:56:57
Quite a few teams are looking to make deals. The celtics especially. Wizards too. The Jazz and Pelicans are in trouble too.

10 Jan 2019 12:24:17
I don't think Rozier will be traded unless they can get another allstar player in return. Rozier is a backup plan for Kyrie in freeagency.

Its either they use their multiple picks to get a top 5 draft players or use them to get another allstar.

10 Jan 2019 13:31:39
He's not a terrible backup plan, but I think this move is more for organizational shooting depth. I think Terry will only be moved if it's for a big time piece coming back, or if he's not planning on returning (and Boston wouldn't want to match money) .

10 Jan 2019 15:07:34
Could Kyrie being going to knicks for Porzingis?

10 Jan 2019 16:49:33
C's wouldn't make a Kyrie for Zinger trade. Guy is always hurt and always will be.

10 Jan 2019 19:20:47
Billj- kyrie hurt since being a Celtic too.

10 Jan 2019 21:17:38
Minus the ACL, KP played like 80-85% of the teams games. How is that always hurt?

11 Jan 2019 06:17:00
1st year he played 87.8%.
2nd year he played 80.5%
3rd year he played 58.5%
4th year he played 0.0%
So leading up to the ACL he played in 75.6%


4yrs., 186 games, he played 56.7%. You do the math.

11 Jan 2019 07:08:33
Porzingis is having one big injury. Those statistics are influenced by one big outlyer.

I believe Porzingis is young enough to recover from that ACL injury.

I think the Celtics believe they can win this year, so they won't do this. But personaly, i prefer Porzingis over Irving (i don't trust a guy that think the world is flat :-) )

11 Jan 2019 07:37:17
I just don't think he ever be same and ny should dump him and all long contracts.

11 Jan 2019 20:43:58
No team is going to give much for KP. His best bet is to stay with the Knicks, sign an extension with a injury clause and hope that he recovers. But my opinion is that he'll always be an accident waiting to happen. His QO has dropped to 4.5m from 7.5m.

12 Jan 2019 16:27:34
Billj. He has 58% that year because of the ACL. Was that a joke? He played over 87% of the games prior to the injury. Thus he played about 85% of the games outside an ACL. I can’t tell if you were kidding or just dumb on that lol. Outside the ACL he is among the least injury prone big men. You really are a fool. Especially because you are trying to argue one of the lesser injury prone big men is more injury prone than one of the most injury prone guards.

Knicks would never make that trade. Kyrie is actually a constant injury waiting to happen.

12 Jan 2019 16:28:03
Facts don’t lie billj. Homer fans do 😉.

12 Jan 2019 19:48:55
Progressively going down hill. Kepp dreaming burger.

13 Jan 2019 21:41:34
Don’t really understand what that even relates to. Porzingis. 85% played with exception to ACL. Yet you say that’s a downward slide? Care to explain or just accept you clearly didn’t get the math right?

13 Jan 2019 21:43:30
Oh wait. I got it. It was your prediction based off nothing. Just like you trying to claim Irving isn’t an injury risk. How’d he do in the playoffs last year? Or those season when he played over 70 games? Oh well. I’m sure he’ll start being non injury prone soon enough.

13 Jan 2019 21:50:56
Oh nevermind bill. I read your past posts. No point in discussing with someone that thinks brown gets An all nba player in butler. Go on homer lol

Say what you want about my old handle based on my lunch (should I show equal maturity with a you’re glue comeback? ) fact is at least I don’t do the homer route. But hey. I’m sure in your eyes Hayward will be amazing!

10 Jan 2019 02:34:08
Giannis on his way to LeBron's level? Agree or disagree?

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10 Jan 2019 05:06:52
If he gets a consistent, reliable jumper, he has a chance to be the most dominant player of all time, even more than Shaq was.

10 Jan 2019 05:58:16
On defense he's already beyond LBJ. He needs a jumper badly and then we'll see about on offense.

10 Jan 2019 12:07:41
He needs a jumper and at least 80% from the line.

10 Jan 2019 15:08:31
And needs to carry his team past the post season.

10 Jan 2019 16:13:30
Disagree. He's on his way to being a superstar and a top 5 current player. But it'll take a lot to get him to being a top 5 all time player.

Or are you saying right now? If so, they're pretty similar currently considering that Lebron has started to age. But I don't see Giannis ever hitting peak Lebron level.

10 Jan 2019 19:21:49
Bmiller- what is peek lebron. The finals not showing up versus Dallas or later?

11 Jan 2019 18:11:59
30/ 11/ 8/ 2 in the Finals against GS and winning Finals MVP is probably peak Lebron to me. Taking the entire offense on his back and beating the best team in the NBA. I don't think Giannis is as much of a one man offense as Lebron.

12 Jan 2019 16:33:10
This is hysterical. Question was if he’s on his way to Lebron. Bunch said he needs a jumper, even though his jump shot stats are about the same as Lebron. Someone said 80% ft. Something Lebron never did and Giannis is better ft for his career than Lebron. So giannis needs to be better to be on Lebron a level? Odd.

The reason he isn’t on his level and likely never will is the passing. Giannis is a better rebounder. But a far inferior distributor. Simple as that.

09 Jan 2019 16:32:18
What makes Otto porter overpaid.

He makes 48 fg

He plays defense

He averages 11 something points and like 5 and 4.

Gets paid like 26 mil to me its Washington not using him right. They need to let him take more shots. If he take more shots and fg% stay the same that's a plus for them and makes him more fit for contract. If wall can come back and play good with porter Beal can naturally fit in with them. To me if they paid porter that hefty contract give him those responsibilities to earn it. If he can average 20 6 and 4 plus make 48 percent of his shots I say he earned contract. Plus with Beal and wall averaging 23 to 26 each. I just think porter not getting used right in Washington wanna see change of coach before dumping him

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09 Jan 2019 16:54:07
I've always thought it was Wall and his management of the ball in WAS. Porter, Beal both need to go somewhere else to blossom as players. It's obvious. The Wiz experiment is over. Even for slow starters its pretty evident. 8th last season, 1st round exit, out of contention currently, and they were worse with Wall in the lineup.

09 Jan 2019 17:11:30
20 ppg would be 6 more than he's ever averaged. And almost double what he's doing this year. If he can, sure, solid contract. But he's not.

09 Jan 2019 20:06:43
Its 11/5/2, and he eats up over 20% of the teams cap. that's why he's overpaid. It isn't simply a matter of going, hey shoot more and maintain your FG%. If that was the case, well, heck, just sign deandre jordan and have him shoot everytime. He doesn't bring enough on offense beyond a spot up shooter. He doesn't rebound or pass exceptionally well. he's merely a good starter, 3rd or 4th option.

Making it even clearer. this year, he's listed as the 16th highest paid player in the nba. Clearly he is not the 16th best player in the nba.

09 Jan 2019 21:14:27
Washington need to give him a chance to average those numbers while wall is out. And Jordan does that off tip in and dunks.

09 Jan 2019 21:33:26
Exactly notdrainer. Exactly.

09 Jan 2019 23:43:23
Only reason he listed as 16 is because cap changed. Like there tons players still under the old cap. Klay butler lillard wall Leonard green Gianni Davis Irving are just some. So your Jordan point and 16th assumption are not accurate not close.

Someone getting paid 26 mil and averaging 11/5/2 but shooting 48% that's on the coach. If he was averaging those numbers and shooting 30 percent then that would be awful. so numbers don't lie he need a bigger role to see his numbers grow.

09 Jan 2019 23:48:08
Bmiler he not averaging those numbers because he not taking many shots. I think he was just hurt to. The shots he taking he make 48 percent So give him hardaway touches and things maybe different. So he not overpaid he just not inserted enough because his numbers are solid for his usage.

10 Jan 2019 12:25:50
You do realize that typically if you shoot more it’s because you are forcing the shots which equates to lower shooting percentage and lower efficiency. Right?

I don’t understand what you are saying about the cap. Porter is paid way too much. The cap is 102. Something like that. He makes over a quarter of it. And he is clearly worse than Beal and wall. So why would he be paid like a 1st or 2nd option when he’s clearly the third at best on his own team.

You asked why overpaid. That’s why.

10 Jan 2019 12:40:13
When the cap went up that paid a lot of players more money. Like if the cap went up in 2011 porter would not be the 16th highest paid player. all those names would be getting more money then porter so he only the 16th highest paid player because the cap went up.

He wouldn't just force the shots. The offense should be created to space where wall Beal and porter gets the chance to average 20 a game like Durant curry and Thompson. If not then that's on Washington for paying him and not having him take the extra shots. You pay me 26 mil and I take 7 to 11 shots a night and make close to half them that's on the coach for not having him Take more shots where the offense creates for him.

10 Jan 2019 12:55:06
Like next year if klay and durant stay klay going to get paid. 30 mil plus to be third option but golden state inserted him to his strengths to average 20 with curry and Durant averaging 27 plus. porter Not overpaid not used currectly. Overpaid mean you got bad efficiency and still not putting up numbers. Like Westbrook efficiency not good but he still won mvp because he putting up stats because his high usage rate. if Washington give porter a high usage rate would he still be as efficient its up to Washington to see. So once again he not overpaid.

10 Jan 2019 17:59:10
I agree that Porter could be better utilized, but he’s not a very aggressive player. Changing situations isn’t going to change his personality or comfort zone. The biggest key for him to come close to live up to that contract would be taking the next step on d and becoming an elite perimeter defender.

10 Jan 2019 18:37:51
Even if he's an elite perimeter defender, does 12-14 ppg and elite defense warrant that kind of money? He's a poor man's Middleton (who will get that kind of money, but it might not be a good thing for the team he signs with) .

10 Jan 2019 18:52:44
With cap going up its going to cost 25 mil for a good reliable 3rd option. So with more touches and step up defense porter will be about right. So few flaws maybe slightly overpaid not heavily.

10 Jan 2019 22:48:35
I don't see Porter as a third option at all. He's a fourth option at best. He's the same level a Aminu, Covington, Rubio, Eric Gordon, Redick, Fournier, Ingles. Solid starters or elite bench players.

I like Ingles a lot, but if you double his salary to match Porter, I wouldn't want him. I like Porter, and if you cut his salary in half, he'd be a great player to have.

Porter isn't top 10 in his position. Yet he's paid in the top 5.

09 Jan 2019 03:15:44
By how much are these players overpaid or underpaid?

1 Adams OKC
2 Batum CHA
3 Porter WAS
4 Wiggins MIN
5 Thompson GS
6 Gordon HOU
7 Hardaway NYK
8 Whiteside MIA
9 Hayward BOS
10 Williams LAC

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09 Jan 2019 04:47:51
This season or their total contract?
Because for example, Adams contract is slightly overpaid this season but it will tune out to be fair value as he continues to improve.

09 Jan 2019 05:17:18
Total.

09 Jan 2019 07:46:58
Why is Adams overpaid now but underpaid next year?

09 Jan 2019 12:12:52
Where did I ever say he’d be underpaid next year?
No where
I just said it’d be fair value.

09 Jan 2019 15:08:55
I'd say pretty much all of them are a bit overpaid, with some being very overpaid. I think Hayward will round back into form though. He came back fast from that terrible injury, and I think he will get back to where he was before. It just takes time.

Adams is probably overpaid as well, but I'm a big fan of his. I'm not sure about the comment that he will be paid fairly as he develops more. I think he's pretty much the player he is going to be. He's shooting more, but that's a system thing, not so much a development thing.

09 Jan 2019 17:20:38
I thought Adams was badly overpaid from the moment he signed that contract. He's improved dramatically since then, but he's still making more than he should. He's a 4th option, and you can't pay those guys 25 million a year.

Batum is the same as Adams, except he's gotten worse over the years. Had he taken the same steps Adams did, he wouldn't be an albatross, but he's regressed.

Porter, Wiggins, and Hardaway are all classic offersheet overpays. Restricted free agents almost always get overpaid.

Hayward was a max player, then he got hurt. Hard to fault anyone in that contract. You can't expect someone to break their leg in half. Presently, he's badly overpaid, but I think he rounds into borderline all star form and becomes just slightly overpaid.

Gordon and Williams are bargains. 12 million for an elite role player is fantastic.

Klay is a bargain today as well. 18 million for an all star is great. If he gets maxed out next year, then he's fair market value. Anything less is a bargain.

Whiteside was a bad idea. He's a stat stuffer and doesn't help a team win. He'd be great at 10 million as a 5th starter or 6th man, but he won't accept that role. He thinks he's a superstar. I'd stay away from him at any contract.

09 Jan 2019 19:55:56
Overpaid, fair value. Same difference, IMO.


I don't think Williams is overpaid.

09 Jan 2019 00:52:58
Stefan Bondy is Nets troll/reporter who starts rumors about Porzingis. Someone needs to address him and his clueless remarks. If the nba investigate his link to nets ownership they will discover that he is tampering no different than what Lebron or any GM does. Fire this worm.

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09 Jan 2019 07:29:23
Shizzee, the Knicks fans booed, and one of them, a kid, cried when they drafted porzingis, skipped exit interviews, and is a restricted free agent. Fired the guy who said to draft him. (a legend) Then because phil was such a poor gm, Steve mills signs hardaway back to a multi year 30% over market value (at the time) contract. The knicks and porzingis is going to be an abused media darling as much or more than AD. It's family hour drama for the whole family.

09 Jan 2019 18:59:23
Porzingis doesn't want to leave. Bondy started this rumor. For a player to comment about another player brought so much scrutiny. Lebron @AD.
Several organization say it that is tampering. This clown works for the Nets. Nets management is tampering, spurs followed. Media abuse and tampering is not the same. Everything else u said, was not related to my point. 🤣.

09 Jan 2019 19:32:37
Do you ever have a point? You wouldn't know about it if the media didn't tell you, right? I have a hard time following your logic and assume that common sense is not a strong suit of yours. You are really nasty to me and I have never been to you. The disrespect will be equal now. GFY.

09 Jan 2019 20:09:20
Btec, a bit of the pot calling the kettle black no? You comment constantly with nothing to say, simply to talk. Example. if you are notdrainer, does that make you drainer. Or some nonsense like that. You are rude to almost everyone, and now you just get salty because someone disagrees. If you can't take it, stop dishing it. Someone posted a couple days ago, you make thousands of posts a year on here, you bash every single person on here, and then if anyone disagrees its the whole whoa is me. grow up.

09 Jan 2019 20:51:59
Hamburger, where in this was I trolling Shizzee? He posts a nearly frantic rant about media hype about porzingis. Pot calling the kettle black? I'm supposed to be sensitive for a Fanboys' favorite player when giving an analysis, like everyone else does here? Including yourself with your do you even watch basketball purposefully rude B.S. You are who you are describing in my book. Classic spin, and distort of the truth at hand. Everyone else says you have 1,000's of comments. I'm purposefully rude? Am I? I whole heartedly disagree with your little self righteous rant as usual. GFY.

09 Jan 2019 21:01:28
Ask Bmiller66 if he thought I was trolling him? I don't think anybody did. You are a salty crab that needs to be thrown back to sea to cool off hamburger. And the rest of your names on here.

09 Jan 2019 23:55:42
KP is asking out in a couple years.

10 Jan 2019 04:56:21
It say spurs want KP.

10 Jan 2019 06:01:09
KP would get a haul, not sure the Spurs have it over others. He'd fit in LA just fine. Either team.

10 Jan 2019 12:30:16
Seriously btec. No one really goes off on anyone here. Beyond you. Calling me a salty crab? Telling others to GFT. Just look at the past week. Only you seem to be attacking people. Self awareness is a lovely thing.

Besides. Shizzees point was that nonsense about a kid crying in the draft 4 years ago? Skipping the exit interview? You do realize organizations change. The actual recent news is KP loves fitzdale and the changes and path of the organization. But you ignore that to troll shizzee and make reference to a kid crying 4 years ago.

Great point?

10 Jan 2019 15:44:20
I don't ny get a haul for kp maybe 2020 deadline if he plays back to form they can.

08 Jan 2019 17:57:20
I think wizards should keep wall Beal and porter. They should use there 2019 pick to trade for another player. To add to those guys.

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08 Jan 2019 18:58:38
Not sold on Porter yet. We'll see. If he puts multiple back to back performances offensively/ defensively without Wall, I'd keep him and think about trading the pick. Otherwise I'd use it to draft a PG, trade Porter in the summer too after a good look has been given to their possibly new lottery pick? I think they are going to squeak in like last season though. Them and CHA 7,8. Miami @ 6, where they are.

08 Jan 2019 21:51:41
9955 - cap space is an issue.

08 Jan 2019 23:16:26
I know cap space is issue its y they trade that pick plus other contracts for a better player Like kevin love.

09 Jan 2019 00:16:29
Kevin Love is your idea of cap space for the Wiz? Your kidding right?

09 Jan 2019 02:21:51
2 1st 2 str8jackets Love for Mahinmi 🤣.

09 Jan 2019 04:20:32
That pick Howard brown and mahimini for love and cavs second. All expiring for the cavs. plus a top ten pick then next year wizards will have love wall porter and beal. Can sign noel. Porter and Beal going to have to step up use time with out to play together. Or could make a trade with expiring Ariza and something else Plus pick for a player. Just pay the taxes. With winning team paying taxes is necessary.

12 Jan 2019 16:18:43
Starting to agree w Btec on porter. Watched last night, he is soft, not aggressive, seems content to let Beal be the man.

08 Jan 2019 06:11:56
Solid game ball and Ingram both ends and shot over 50 hope keep it up. Luke gave them a good message and they executed in the 4th quarter I liked that. Kuz shake that rust off. Hart decent game.

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08 Jan 2019 12:26:06
I’m pretty amazed how far the lakers youth value has dropped over a couple months. I don’t even know what you’d get for them at this point.

08 Jan 2019 14:00:11
The Lebron effect.

08 Jan 2019 16:40:32
Honestly, I'm not notdrainer. Ball was never a high end prospect. Ingram felt like he had peaked. I never understood why people thought that the Lakers could move their so-so youth for superstars. I'd take a single high end prospect (Tatum, Doncic, JJJ, Mitchell) over all 4 of the Lakers "core youth".

08 Jan 2019 17:07:03
If you're not notdrainer are you drainer?

10 Jan 2019 15:45:47
I take kuz over all them players. His contract is awesome.

 


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