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16 Oct 2018 17:29:05

Pelicans get Wesley Johnson

Clippers get Ajinca (waive)

Pelicans get wing help

Clips get cap relief and get to 15 man roster

17 Oct 2018 17:19:02
That worked well for both teams. The clips really had no use for Johnson, and the pelicans didn't have any one like Johnson. Good trade.

16 Oct 2018 01:12:05

MIA gets Butler, Ross, Vuc

ORL gets Whiteside and Tyus Jones

MIN gets Richardson, Johnson and 1st rd pick via MIA 2019 and Orl 2ND RD PICK 2019

Dragic/ Ty Johnson
Butler/ Wade/ Ross
Waiters/ Ellington
Olnyk/ Winslow
Vuc/ Bam

Johnson/ Gibson
Towns/ Dieng

Tyus Jones
Whiteside/ Mo Bamba.

16 Oct 2018 05:07:42
Magic don't need or wantoverpaid, lazy big.

15 Oct 2018 23:19:22
Lakers Trade KCP Lonzo Ball Brandon Ingram Kyle Kuzma 2019 first round pick

Pelicans Trade Anthony Davis Solomon Hill

13 Oct 2018 00:59:49
Boston Trade Al Horford Jayson Tatum 2019 first round pick (SAC) lottery protected
(Top 4)

Pelicans Trade Anthony Davis E'Twaun Moore

Pelicans probably going to Draft RJ Barrett or Zion Williamson

13 Oct 2018 04:43:28
The trade for the celtics is Rozier. The Jabari bird situation messed that up a lot. I think the celts were hoping to contend and trade Rozier before or near the deadline for a pick or 2. Bird was and is a good player ready to contribute.

13 Oct 2018 15:39:39
Yeah Davis is top 5 but still asking Tatum is too much.

13 Oct 2018 15:40:15
This feels like the package that has to happen if Boston wants to convince NO to trade Davis this year. Anything less just won’t do it.

13 Oct 2018 16:03:25
Substitute Brown for Tatum and add another 1st. That's what I would do, but Ainge is the wildcard. There's no telling what he would give to acquire AD. He may just trade Tatum. Who knows, but I'm one that believes in Ainge.

13 Oct 2018 16:38:18
I think Tatum would be the only guy that the Celtics wouldn’t make available. I also don’t see Horford (or Kyrie) being very interesting pieces to the Pelicans. The only way it would make a ton of sense for them to be involved is if there is a third team. I think 3 of Brown, Rozier, Smart and Hayward plus 2 or 3 picks and potentially some filler would be the package as long there isn’t a 3rd team involved.

13 Oct 2018 16:35:10
Not near enough for AD. And i'm curious why so many of you float AD trades but NEVER float Giannis trades. AD is just as untouchable despite the lame rumors you spot on Celtic and Laker fan pages.

14 Oct 2018 00:46:09
Substitute kyrie for Tatum.

14 Oct 2018 09:04:04
Ad has a year less then giannis so giannis rumors will start next year and I think ad bird rights are important so Boston would have to include Tatum and sac pick.

14 Oct 2018 16:26:30
Agreed 100% on why Giannis isn’t as hot a topic as AD. Give it a year to take a shot in a LeBron less East, and then if they don’t look like a real contender, first up the rumour mill.

15 Oct 2018 23:50:19
As usual II, your info is wrong. AD is locked up this year and next year. Player option is not until 2020-2021, at which time Pels can offer Supermax extension.

13 Oct 2018 00:30:13
Knicks 4 moves

Magic get Mudiay Hezonja
Knicks get Ross

Pelicans get Lee
knicks get S.Hill

At deadline
Wolves get Knox Noah 2019 1st unprotected
knicks get Butler

Kings get Hardaway
Knicks get Shumpert Koufos


13 Oct 2018 16:26:55
Magic let Mario walk now they are trading for him?

12 Oct 2018 20:32:27
Knicks Offseason

NYK- Anthony Davis
NOP- Kevin Knox, Courtney Lee (exp), Frank Ntilikina, Lance Thomas (Exp), 2019 1st (most likely top 5 pick)

Sign Kevin Durant to MAX
Sign Rajon Rondo to 1 year $10 million

C- Anthony Davis
PF- Kristaps Porzingis
SF- Kevin Durant
SG- Tim Hardaway
PG- Rajon Rondo

Durant has expressed his desire to play in NY and I think Knox, Ntilikina and a top 5 pick, the Pelicans will be hard to find a better offer. These move put the Knicks as the team to beat in the East as long as Porzingis stays healthy.

12 Oct 2018 20:57:11
Unless Knox looks like a surefire future allstar that package isn’t going to do it for Davis. The Celtics, 76ers, Lakers and almost every other young team in the league will probably be going all in on him.

12 Oct 2018 21:41:48
The pelicans will absolutely hands down get significantly better offers. And that’s coming from a Knicks fan.

Just stop.

12 Oct 2018 23:46:35
I wish the knicks the best, they have had it rough for a while but why is Davis going there to get a championship? That's why he would leave the pelicans right?

13 Oct 2018 01:42:55
Notdrainer spreading that Christmas spirit again! I feel like I need a rolled up newspaper or something.

13 Oct 2018 02:35:52
Im sorry gentlemen i'm embarrassed as a Knicks fan of that offer.

Knox Noah 2020 1st for Butler
Hardaway for Shumpert koufos

Next yr maxed butler leonard and harris for 20 beverly mle than resign Porzingis

Ntilikina/ Beverly/ Baker
Butler/ Lee/ Trier
Leonard/ Little-1st/ Dotson
Harris/ Beasley/ Paschall-2nd
Porzingis/ Robinson/ Bitadze-2nd.

13 Oct 2018 16:39:19
I normally respond to AD trade rumors that AD is untouchable. But this offer is so lame i will just remember that some don't follow the "don't drink and create rumors" rule

I mean when fellow Knicks fans tell you that your proposal is lopsided and purely Homer, then what more can i say?

12 Oct 2018 14:00:23
NBA Trade Deadline

Magic Trade Aaron Gordon Johnathan Issac 2020 first round pick lottery protected (Top 5 )

Pelicans Trade Anthony Davis

Second Trade

Magic Trade Evan Fournier 2021 first round protected to Nets

Nets Trade D'Angelo Russell Rondae Hollis-Jefferson to Magic

12 Oct 2018 16:30:28
Ok MD, I am starting to get your posts now, you’re making jokes or posting ridiculous trades to get people fired up. It’s the only explanations as to why you would think that the Pels would accept that offer for Davis. Now that I have figured it out, the joke will no longer be funny, and you can stop posting knowing someone finally understands what you’re doing.

12 Oct 2018 17:27:20
Literally the worst single package offered for AD. what's even better, beyond the package including a significantly overpaid player and a potential draft bust. you give just 1 first, and it has a protection on it.


The second trade, Nets pass hard. First, talent isn't worth it, second, they can't trade that pick unless the OKC pick in 2020 conveys.

12 Oct 2018 17:42:12
Davis won't resign and fournier won't get you that. Gordon resigned, so he want to be there. U want players who want be their.

Jazz get Mosgov Rockets 1st
Rockets get Simmons Sefolosha
Magic get Knight Burks.

12 Oct 2018 18:12:11
lol, that's hilarious.

13 Oct 2018 05:38:52
The salaries probably match.

13 Oct 2018 16:42:05
Earlier i posted that a proposal that had AD to the Knicks was the lamest trade idea i'd seen EVER on this site

I stand corrected after reading this

If trade ideas were pudding flavors. This would be crap-ioca.

10 Oct 2018 21:10:59
List of possible trades that have Dewayne Dedmon at their center.

1) Atlanta sends D. Dedmon, Washington sends Jason Smith (the second player could be ether Thomas Bryant or Jodie Meeks), Washington would also send a lottery protected first (2020 or 2021) or two future second round picks.

Money transfer Atlanta would take 6,828,242 with Bryant or 8,904,500 with Meeks. Washington would take 7,200,000
Pros Atlanta gain assets
Pros Washington gain a much better center could would be the immediate backup center behind Dwight as well as one who can stretch the floor

2) Atlanta sends D. Dedmon, Utah sends Ekpe Udoh and Tabo Sefolosha (you could also swap Sefolosha for Raul Neto or replace ether with a trade exception (Joe Johnson)) Utah would also send two future seconds

Pros Atlanta gains assets
Pros Utah gains a good backup to Gobert

3)Atlanta sends D. Dedmon, New Orleans sends Alex Ajinca as well as a future first round and future second with the first being ether lottery protected or top 10

Atlanta receives 5,285,394 (NOP can add an exception) New Orleans receives 7,200,000
Pros Atlanta gains assets
Pros New Orleans receives and good center they could start if they wanted (but would probably be a good backup)

4) Atlanta sends D. Dedmon, Houston sends Nene with a second being one of three Bruno Caboclo, MCW, or Trade exception, they would also send a future first and second

Pros Atlanta gains assets
Pros Houston gains a good backup behind Capela as well as one who can stretch the floor

5) Atlanta sends D. Dedmon, Portland send Miles Leonard and future first and second

Atlanta receives 10,595,506, Portland receives 7,200,000
Pros Atlanta gains assets
Pros Portland gains a backup center

06 Oct 2018 00:07:24
New Orleans Pelicans get: Jimmy Butler

Minnesota Timberwolves get: Nikola Mirotic, E'Twaun Moore, and 2019 first-round pick non protected

Pels get a solid 3-4-5 combo with AD, Randle and Butler

Wolves get two ex-Bulls reunited w Thibo and a 1st

07 Oct 2018 17:28:57
I like this trade. The pick is going to be so late with butler in the mix the protection isn't needed. Unless davis goes down or something. I think Jackson or Bluiett would probably have to be thrown in too.

02 Oct 2018 17:16:45

Milwaukee: Butler, Hill, Dieng
Minnesota: Brogdon, Mirotic, Snell, Henson, NOP 2nd
New Orleans: Bledsoe

Milwaukee rejected to trade Middleton for Butler but they are open for Bledsoe and Brogdon. In this they will have take back some more money by trading Snell and Henson for Dieng and Hill.

Minnesota gets two proven starters. Teague, Brogdon, Wiggins, Mirotic, KAT should keep them in the playoffs.

Pelicans could even think a straight Bledsoe for Mirotic. Getting also Hill off the books makes it an even better idea.

02 Oct 2018 18:13:01
That would possibly work. I also read where the Wolves offered Butler to the Bucks for Middleton, And Milwaukee said no.

02 Oct 2018 19:47:17
Butler is going to end up a 1 year rental, Unless he get's the team HE wants to play for. All other teams would be just a rental, And nothing more. Butler turned down $130.00 Mil. for 4 years from Minnesota, and wanted at least $154.00 Mil. Like L. James received from the Lakers. At 30 years old, I think Butler should have re-signed with the Wolves. Who else can afford to get him? Or trade for him long term? What/ Who are you willing to get for him? Minnesota should do/ take what they can get for him, to better their team!

03 Oct 2018 00:16:52
Nets Knicks and clippers where his destinations he preferred but all have space to sign him. So do the Kings, Suns, bulls, Lakers and hawks that I know of to offer him max money also Orlando and maybe Dallas. So those are Team to afford him and prolly more 76ers.

03 Oct 2018 02:48:52
Wolves have the offers is my guess. If an offer threatens to pull out that they like, they will hurry to make up their mind. It's old school wait until the last possible second for more offers or new, sudden interest from someone. Kind of like fishing but not fun or interesting.

28 Sep 2018 20:01:41
3 Teams Trade NOP/CAVS/MIN
Pelicans Trade Jrue Holiday Solomon Hill

Wolves Trade Jimmy Butler Gorgiu Dieng

Cleveland Trade Tristan Thompson Kyle Korver

Cavs get Gorgui Dieng Solomon Hill 2019 first round pick (NOP)

Pelicans get Jimmy Butler Kyle Korver

Wolves get Jrue Holiday Tristan Thompson

28 Sep 2018 20:21:21
Wow this is a trade full of bad contracts. CAVS have a ton of bad contracts. Why would they want to pick up two more. Their best bet is to let them play out the next two years and then move forward. Sorry Cavs fans, but it will be ugly for the next two seasons.

28 Sep 2018 13:47:37
Minnesota trades Butler to New Orleans.

Pelicans get Butler
Timberwolves get Moore, Hill, 2019 1st, and option to swap picks in either 2021 or 2022

Pelicans get a third star to compete for a championship. They can go against both Houston and Golden State

Minnesota doesn't get the best return, but don't take on any bad money. They will be in good cap position over the next couple of years. They also take a chance on Davis leaving New Orleans and getting an opportunity to get a good pick via swap.

28 Sep 2018 19:58:03
Soloman Hill is as close to untradable as any player in the league. Too big of a tird in the punchbowl for this deal.

28 Sep 2018 21:34:00
I can't see Minny taking that deal.

25 Sep 2018 23:06:22
Pelicans Trade Solomon Hill Elfrid Payton 2019 first round pick (protected)

Thunder Trade Dennis Schroder Hamidou Diallo

Pelicans lost Rajon Rondo DeMarcus Cousins

Second Trade

Pelicans Trade NIkola Mirotic to Magic

Magic Trade NIkola Vucevic to Pelicans

Both teams get one year rental expiring contracts 12 Millions each players

26 Sep 2018 14:30:33
Trade one is really bad, Schroeder has next to no value

Trade two is a no from NOLA also.

26 Sep 2018 15:54:01
Yeah, no one is giving up a first for Schroder. OKC did to unload Melo, not to get Schroder. They essentially got him for nothing.

The second trade, Mirotic is a much more valuable player than Vuc, especially next to Davis. The Davis/ Mirotic combo was really good last year.

22 Sep 2018 23:31:03
Lakers Trade Brandon Ingram Lonzo Ball Josh Hart Kyle Kuzma 2019 first round pick unprotected 2020 first round pick lottery protected

Pelicans Trade Anthony Davis

In Free Agency

Lakers going after Klay Thompson Kemba Walker Kawhi Leonard Kevin Durant

For Two Max Players

23 Sep 2018 02:28:03
Can't trade back to back 1sts.

23 Sep 2018 02:35:22
Hahahahaha why don't you give them Irving, Butler and KAT, while your at it. OMG.

17 Sep 2018 23:19:14

Milwaukee get Butler, Dieng
Minnesota get Brogdon, Snell, Vucevic, ORL 2019 2nd, MIL 2020 2nd
Orlando get Bledsoe, Zeller

Bucks make their Big 3 with Giannis, Butler and Middleton. They will have to slip DiVicenzo into starting pg or roll with Dellavedova.

Minny replace Butler with Brogdon and give the keys again to KAT-Wiggins. They get rid off Dieng's deal, while upgrading with Vuc. They get one more wing that Thibs had in Bulls and two 2nds.

Magic get a starting pg they need. They also make more room for Bamba, having behind him Mozgov, Birch and Zeller.

18 Sep 2018 01:27:23
I don't hate this idea.
Bucks give up two expiring players, an over paid wing and a 2nd for a top 10/ 20 player and a bad contract - would say yes

Wolves get 2 quality starters for a player who looks to be gone for by the end of the year and shave 5m/ year between Dieng and Snell - may lean towards a no (may ask for Brogdon + Middleton)

Magic get a good starting PG and clear C mins for their youth. - would say yes.

18 Sep 2018 02:31:39
I believe the Bucks would also agree to this trade! Snell has gone down since last year, Brogdan also has gone down since Bledsoe arrived and Brogdan loss the starting PG job to him. Zeller will either be cut or traded replaced by C Woods. Actually a cheap price to pay to get Butler!

18 Sep 2018 04:18:20
Its a great idea all around, but I think the T wolves would get greedy and ask for Middleton rather than Snell.

18 Sep 2018 14:41:36
@jaymocha I don't think Milwaukee would send Middleton in a trade for Butler. Both are to similar type of players.

18 Sep 2018 15:14:30
I don't see any way Minny trades Butler to the Bucks without Middleton unless there's at least one (probably two) firsts going to Minny. Brogdon has moderate value, Snell is maybe worth a second rounder (though, maybe his value is negative a second rounder), Zeller is a throw in.

Butler is a clear upgrade over Middleton. And since they're both expiring deals, it makes sense to move one for the other.

18 Sep 2018 15:50:57
Trading Middleton with Butler won't put Milwaukee into a much better situation since they will still be with Bledsoe at their Top 3 minus an asset (let's say Brogdon) . Also, Giannis could be left alone next year since Middleton is much more likely to remain a Buck. IMO Butler would stay in Milwaukee only in a team with Giannis and Middleton, because that would give him a real chance for a ring.

18 Sep 2018 17:50:48
The Bucks have 4 options if a Middleton/ Butler swap is possible:

Trade for Butler and pair him with Giannis. You're a top 3 team in the east. Resign Butler and stay a really good team that probably can't compete for a championship.

Trade for Butler, have one good year, and then he bolts. Now you're a lottery team. And you have a really good chance of Giannis asking out or leaving.

Keep Middleton, he resigns for an enormous deal that makes him overpaid, and you're a good team that is a 4-8 seed in the east again. And you have a really good chance of Giannis asking out or leaving.

Keep Middleton, and he walks. Now you're a lottery team again. And you have a really good chance of Giannis asking out or leaving.

I'd roll the dice on getting the better player, sacrificing the role player (Brogdon) and the increased likelihood of losing that player. I think the only way the Bucks convince Giannis to sign his next extension is if he has an all star by his side. Middleton isn't that player.

18 Sep 2018 19:13:21
Middleton defense not on Butler level. Middleton can shoot better. But Middleton a top 35 while Butler a top 15. Middleton is trying to go from role player to all star while Butler been an All star. But I give Middleton props over years he improved his shooting greatly over the years and last year lead league in true shooting. I like Middleton but he not similar to Butler he a tier or two under Butler. But he no longer a role player he a borderline all star. I want to see that play off play in the season.

17 Sep 2018 18:45:04
*Heat get: PF/C Julius randle, SG/SF E'Twaun Moore, SF/PF Solomon Hill, C Alexis Ajinca, 2020 1st Round Pick
*Pelicans get: C Hassan Whiteside, SF/SG Josh Richardson

- Heat do this to get a younger, probably player in Randle for cheap and allows Olynk and Adebayo get more minutes at the 5. Also clear tons of cap in 2 years with Dragic, t. Johnson, j. Johnson (team opt.) hill, Moore, and Randle coming off the books. Also get a first for 2020 that could be a good player.


- Pelicans do this to get a backcourt buddy for Davis that could entice him to stay and not put the Pels in a position of losing him. Also get Richardson who is a great defensive player and is on a great deal for the next 4 years.

Whiteside/J. Okafor/E. Okafor

17 Sep 2018 21:37:07
Solomon Hill is the poison pill in this deal. The tird in the punchbowl. He is not good and is on a bad contract. He would hardly play for Miami and cost 12-13mm over next two years. Pew! The 2020 first from Pels if not too protected is a nice perfume to hide the stench.

Ajinca isn't bad and is on an expiring deal.

E'twan Moore is good, but not as good as Richardson and JRich has more upside. Heat really love him, with good reason.

Randle is a good young player on a good contract and would take Whiteside's spot on the roster at half the cost.

Heat would have to get rid of a couple of players as they have a full roster with the Wade signing.

This is a close call. Not sure if the Heat will see enough benefit. Heat probably pass due to their desire to keep Richardson. If you swap Richardson for Winslow heat say yes.

No brainer for Pelicans.

18 Sep 2018 00:06:32
If anything, Whiteside would encourage him to leave. The guy is a head case Pels pass.

18 Sep 2018 03:11:11
Warlock good explanation, I understand hill’s contract is not the best to look at. And yes Winslow would be better for the Pels and Heat, and I guess you could take Ajinca our do the deal so the money matches. But most of the players the Heat get back are off the books in 2 years, and some of their big contracts expire in 2020 like Dragic, Tyler and James Johnson that could lead to huge cap space (not sure what big FA’s there are) . Agree that the heat likely want to keep j-rich, and I would hope the Pels would do this to get Davis to stay and not be unhappy. Whiteside isn’t the best, but he is the most realistic option to trade for. And I think the heat would cut McGruder for roster spots.

16 Sep 2018 23:51:11
Pelicans Trade Julius Randle Elfrid Payton Solomon Hill 2019 first round pick

Wolves Trade Jimmy Butler Tyus Jones

17 Sep 2018 11:28:56
To keep Anthony Davis happy for him to sign long term Supermax deal 200+ millions deal and purses to Re-Sign Jimmy and NIkola Max deal.

17 Sep 2018 13:57:47
I think you’d need. Second 1st and to take out Tyus Jones.

15 Sep 2018 15:52:16

CLE get Mills & TOR 1st from SAS

SAS get Vucevic

ORL get G.Hill

I believe Spurs could do this because they need depth at center position. ORL could prefer Hill over Mills but if not CLE could be removed from the deal.

15 Sep 2018 16:06:13
No chance Hill is worth a player and pick.

15 Sep 2018 16:24:58
Shiller, doe Mills have any value at all? I don’t think many teams would want 3 years of a back up pg for 10 million a year.

15 Sep 2018 21:50:55
Rkeene- so sputlrs eat it. Just because your team needs an upgrade doesn't mean it will or has to happen.

15 Sep 2018 23:07:16
While Mills' salary is a bit too much, he is a top 5 backup PG. He can play both guard positions, has started before with mixed results, is durable, a great shooter, and a great teammate.

Mills is similar to Hill, but is more durable. I don't think he would be an upgrade for Cavs, but they would do the deal because of the Toronto pick.

Spurs need an upgrade at Center. Spurs have two good young guys who could step up and take Mills' minutes without much loss.

Orlando has been trying to find a way to get rid of Vucevic for years. I don't know why, but Hill would be a good trade for them.

15 Sep 2018 23:53:42
Mills is a top 5 backup PG. He can start if needed, he has done it before. Mills is an excellent shooter and sneaky good defender. He is a veteran who can play both guard positions, and is a great teammate. His salary is too high for a team with a good/ great PG. But on a team with an average or below PG, he is worth the price.

16 Sep 2018 00:33:44
I’m not saying it will happen or should, but it’s not ridiculous to think that the Spurs would give up a first to get rid of Mills’s deal and get a solid player. If anyone is getting a the short end of the stick, it’s Orlando.

14 Sep 2018 14:14:29
Milwaukee - Pelicans

Milwaukee gets:

gets Davis for a fair price and is set up for years to come with both under contract for 3+ years. can attract FA to a competitive team in a weak conference

Pelicans get:
20 1st

Get valuable pieces on multi-year deals in positions they need to still stay competitive + draft pick

14 Sep 2018 14:33:07
I believe the Pels would pass.

14 Sep 2018 15:32:15
I don't understand all these Davis trades. I consider him and Antetokounmpo the most untouchable players in the NBA right now.

14 Sep 2018 19:46:46
Maybe if Middleton was signed it would be closer but since Middleton expiring it's no deal.

15 Sep 2018 02:09:06
I don't think there untouchable there not only two years left on there contracts.

15 Sep 2018 12:57:45
Yeah, NO says no.

How would NO "still stay competitive"? With Middleton and Holiday as their best players, they'd be cemented as the 10th or 11th best team in the west.

I agree milpso. A superstar with 3 years left on their contract isn't someone you should trade. With the new supermax contract rules, you shouldn't trade a guy until he has a chance to accept or pass on that contract. There's a really good chance that AD wouldn't pass on that enormous contract, and they'd be able to keep him past his current contract. And if he doesn't take it, trade him that offseason leading into his last year of his deal. His value goes down some, but he's still one of the most valuable players in the NBA at that point.

15 Sep 2018 20:44:24
Ad gone new Orleans going to wait it out though, there not going to chance keeping him like they didn't with cp3. When a player change agents 9 out of ten he going to change teams.

17 Sep 2018 21:03:17
There is only one Player on the whole Bucks roster that could get any trade talks with NOLA started, and he is as untouchable as AD is.

13 Sep 2018 19:08:10
Suns and Pelicans
Suns get Davis
Pelicans get Warren, Jackson, Bender, a 1st and 2 2nds

Pelicans get a return of 3 young players with potential a 1st and couple of seconds.

Suns get Davis to pair with Booker and Ayton. They could develop into a big 3 after a couple of seasons

13 Sep 2018 19:36:29
I don't see the Suns getting Davis without giving up Ayton.

13 Sep 2018 20:14:20
Bmiller, you could have stopped right before without.

13 Sep 2018 20:43:01
Fair rkenne. But without Ayton, the conversation doesn't even start.

13 Sep 2018 21:30:08
A Davis doesn’t want any part of suns for him if he leaves Pels it’s boston or lakers.

14 Sep 2018 13:45:25
Davis has no choice if traded.

14 Sep 2018 16:04:12
Yeah, players don't choose where they're traded. I also think that he'd be pretty happy playing with that young Phoenix team. Davis, Ayton, and Booker could be an amazing trio, with Bridges as a great 4th possibly.

That said, it's just a dream for Phoenix.

17 Sep 2018 21:04:26
RKenne already expressed my sentiments perfectly.

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