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24 Sep 2017 19:55:50
76ers/Celtics

Boston has Horford and Baynes, and that's about it up front. No depth. Through 103 games, Okafor has averaged 15 points and 6 rebounds in 26 minutes a game. And he's just 21yrs old. Granted he struggles immensely on D, but if horford is off, in foul trouble, or injured, who scores inside for boston????
Sixers have too many young centers in Embiid, Holmes, and Okafor. Celtics have potentially 4 #1 picks in 2019.


Sixers get: worst of Kings, Grizz, Clips or Celtics 1st rd pick in 2019.
Boston gets: Okafor

24 Sep 2017 21:32:54
Anthony Davis unlikely to be made available, but Celtics need to keep their No. 1s in case the Pelicans panic.
That's not saying Okafor isn't worth a late first, just that the Celtics need to hang on to as many assets as possible for a bigger fish.

25 Sep 2017 06:56:09
If Davis is made available, Okafor could be flipped to NO at the same value as a late first, so I don't think this would hurt Boston at all. I like the trade, and I think Horford is the kind of guy that can mask some of Okafor's issues decently.

17 Sep 2017 15:05:25
76ers/Cavs

Sixers get:Frye,Cavs own 2018 1st
Cavs get:Holmes,Rockets 2018 2nd via 76ers.

Sixers could use Fryes big man shooting off bench. Gain late 1st rd pick.

Cavs could use Holmes as back up for Thompson and not lose a step(Holmes may actually be the better player here), and save 6 million in salary against the cap(which probably equates to a $15mill total savings).

17 Sep 2017 15:13:31
Frye is a non-rotation player even in Philly and the Cavs' No. 1 is not worth much.
Holmes is a legit player who would cost more than what Cleveland is giving up.

18 Sep 2017 00:48:56
Supercollider: could the celtics use Holmes in their big man rotation? What would the boys from beantown be willing to give up for him in a fair deal? Great thing about Holmes contract is its for 1.4 this year and a team option 1.6 for the following year. Awesome for his production and potential.

18 Sep 2017 04:10:33
Holmes is a solid player, but I think Frye would be in Philly's rotation Collider. I think it all depends on how comfortable Philly is with Embiids healthy. If they aren't (speaking more long term) they need to keep Holmes as insurance. If they are, they might want to try and sell high on Holmes, who won't be playing a ton of minutes this year, since they probably won't want to pay him in 2 years. He could be looking at 10+ million dollars. Maybe out could switch the direction the 2nd is going though. I like it for the Cavs.

18 Sep 2017 10:29:53
Voug - After Fultz/ Tatum it's unlikely Boston and Philly would make another big trade. Holmes has great potential, but he has yet to play in a big game so his projected 36-minute stats (17 ppg, 1.9 blocks) might be empty calories. As to compensation, Boston's roster now has players who would be too much of an overpay plus players who wouldn't be enough to get Holmes. Suppose maybe Rozier would be somewhat equal value, but that would thin out a backcourt that already could use a little more depth. Plus, moving Holmes would force Philly to give minutes to Okafor, so it might be a trade that would hurt both teams.

18 Sep 2017 21:06:10
Sixers traded up to #25 this year to draft 7'1" Pasecniks from Latvia. he's the long term back up for Embiid. Amir Johnson gives immediate help inside to okafor if embiid gets hurt again. Holmes value is very high at the moment. Time to sell. Who needs a young, high upside bigman on a bargain basement contract for the next 2 years? Any trade ideas?

13 Sep 2017 23:16:19
76ers/Knicks

Sixers get: Melo
Knicks get: Holmes, Bayless, two of their own future 2nd rounders back.

Obviously this all hinges on Melo willing to go to philly. It is still very close to his beloved NYC, and to his hometown in D.C. Melo could be the go to scorer in crunch time and a great second scoring option behind Embiid.

Knicks get a decent pg vet in Bayless who shot 44% from deep the year before last. Holmes is a great young big prospect coming into his own on a dirt cheap deal. Holmes value around the leavue seems very high at this point. This trade helps the knicks in their youth movement and clears Melos salary.

14 Sep 2017 13:41:09
Can't see Philly moving Holmes, given Embiid's injury issues and the fact that Okafor moves like an Easter Island statue. Plus, Anthony is a ball hog and the Sixers need Fultz and Simmons to figure things out. They can't do that when Anthony goes ISO every other possession.

17 Sep 2017 16:39:25
he grew up in baltimore.

02 Sep 2017 15:38:54
Bulls trade dwade to Cleveland for shump and Channing frye

S&t nikola lmirotic to phi for jahil oakafor

Trade robin Lopez to Portland for moe harkless.

02 Sep 2017 16:35:52
Cleveland will wait till you buy DWade out. No need for Cleveland to give anything up.

Portland doesn't want Lopez back. They have Nurkic and Leonard Lopez would cause a log jam to the young centers.

I do think the mirotic trade is possible though.

02 Sep 2017 18:26:10
Well bulls would save money you know Jerry reinforced is cheap.

02 Sep 2017 19:21:31
Love for wade.

02 Sep 2017 20:05:30
Agree that the Cavs should just wait until a buyout and then go after Wade. The money here doesn't work and in any trade for Wade they would add a few million dollars in salary and that would end up being 10s of million in luxury tax. I think the goal in any Shumpert trade will be to save money.

02 Sep 2017 22:15:44
Leonard is trash. Getting rid of him needs to be Neil Olshey's #1 priority.

04 Sep 2017 10:43:08
Why would Chicago do a buyout? They would go under the minimum cap, so they won't save money doing that.

30 Aug 2017 16:46:05
ATL-HOU-NYK-PHI trade

Atlanta gets- Jahlil Okafor

Houston gets- Carmelo Anthony

New York gets- Kent Bazemore, Nik Stauskas, Isiah Taylor, Tim Quarterman, 1st rd pick (HOU)

Philadelphia gets- Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza


Whats your thoughts?

29 Aug 2017 18:40:24
76ers moves

1. Sign Shabazz Mohahmad to a one year, 7-8 million contract. Bazz would be instant offense off the bench if sixers young guns are struggling at times. Would be a great back up for Covington.

2. Trade Okafor to Atlanta for Houston 2018 #1, top 20 protected.

30 Aug 2017 00:56:08
Good realistic moves.

28 Aug 2017 04:38:15
PHI/SAS/IND

PHI get LaMarcus Aldridge
- that is a playoff team in the east and can win a series if they could develop well together

Pg Fultz/McConnell
Sg Reddick/Bayless
Sf Simmons/Covington
Pf Aldridge/Saric
Ce Embiid/Johnson

SAS get Thad Young , Richaun Holmes & 1st round pick from PHI (top 12 protected)
- get a young big man and a more versatile PF

Pg Mills/Murray/Parker
Sg Green/Ginobili
Sf Leonard/Gay/Anderson
Pf Young/Lauvergne/Bertans
Ce Gasol/Holmes

IND get Jahlil Okafor & 2nd from SAS
- take a chance at a young center while saving money
- buyout or trade Jefferson

Pg Collison/Joseph
Sg Oladipo/Stephenson
Sf Bogdanovic/GR3
Pf Sabonis/Leaf
Ce Turner/Okafor

27 Aug 2017 18:32:05
2 trades and 2 free agent signings the Pistons can do to be more competitive

(TRADE 1)
Pistons get:
(GS)
SG K. Thompson

Mavs get:
(GS)
PG P. McCaw + '19 2nd (DAL pick)
(DET)
PF H. Ellenson

Warriors get:
(DET)
PG R. Jackson + '18 1st (UP)
(DAL)
SG S. Curry

Pistons add a star player who helps in an area the pistons lack in production (3 point %). They insert him at SG while Bradley moves over to PG. They give up Jackson, Ellenson and 2018 1st round pick to do so.

Mavs add McCaw who would fill the void of Curry at SG but comes off the bench. They also add a future replacement for when Nowitski retires and resembles a similar play as a decent 3 point shooter for a PF. They also get back their 2019 2nd round pick they traded to the Warriors ahwile ago.

Warriors add Jackson who can be a reliable piece off the bench or move to SG. They also get an unprotected 1st round pick next year from the Pistons. They also get Steph Currys little brother who also is a good 3 point shooter and can go to SG.

SALARIES match for incoming and outcoming salaries.

Pistons recieve $17,826,150
Pistons send out $17,780,800

Mavs recieve $3,093,411
Mavs send out $3,028,410

Warriors recieve $19,028,410
Warriors send out $19,138,761

(TRADE 2)
Pistons get:
(MIN)
'18 2nd (top 40) + '20 2nd (UP)
(PHI)
C J. Okafor

Wolves get:
(PHI)
'18 2nd (HOU pick)
(DET)
PF J. Leuer

76ers get:
(DET)
'19 1st (Right to swap: DET-PHI)*
(MIN)
C C. Aldrich

*: pistons would recieve '19 2nd (NYK pick) and '20 2nd (DAL pick) if PHI excerices the swap

Pistons add 2 draft picks with a possible 3 more if the 76ers swap 1st in 2019. They recieve a 2nd that's top 40 protected in 2018 and a 2020 2nd that's unprotected from the Wolves. They also recieve Okafor who replaces Leuer on the depth chart.

Wolves add a 2018 2nd that's HOUs pick and Leuer (whos from Minnesota) to play at PF.

76ers add a right to swap 2019 1st round picks with the Pistons and if they choose to do so, theyd give them a 2019 2nd (Knicks pick) and a 2020 2nd (Mavs pick). They also recieve Aldrich to be a replacement for Okafor on the depth chart. His salary for the 2018-2019 season is partial guaranteed.

(FREE AGENTS)
PG Jason Terry or Trey Burke
1 year $2,000,000
$3,000,000 team option in year 2

SG James Young
1 year $1,250,000
$1,250,000 team option in year 2

Terry provides 3 point shooting and veteran leadership. Burke adds youth. Young adds youth and athleticism.

(DEPTH CHART)
PG:
Avery Bradley
Ish Smith
Jason Terry / Trey Burke
SG:
Klay Thompson
Langston Galloway
James Young
SF:
Stanley Johnson
Luke Kennard
Reggie Bullock
PF:
Tobias Harris
Jahlil Okafor
Anthony Tolliver
C:
Andre Drummond
Boban Marjanovic
Eric Moreland

27 Aug 2017 18:55:40
Sooooooo. Pistons give up Reggie Jackson, Henry Ellenson, and a 2nd rounder. And they get Klay Thompson? I hope this is a joke.

27 Aug 2017 19:31:42
I said unprotected 1st round in 2018, lol.

27 Aug 2017 19:55:30
I'm not even sure Jackson has positive value at this point.

27 Aug 2017 21:49:20
Lol is right to that trade, it's a joke.

27 Aug 2017 23:23:08
I'm confused as to why Golden State does this trade.

19 Aug 2017 16:21:04
76ers/ Hawks

Hawks get: Okafor
Sixers get: Rockets 2018 1st.

Hawks have zero inside scoring threat. Okafor could add some scoring off the bench. he's still only 21, and with major defensive weaknesses, but can get get you buckets. Maybe Hawks see this as an opportunity to get a young center with more potential upside then the 25-30th pick in next years draft. Sixers get small return for Okafor, but he's never going to develop in philly behind embiid and holmes, and it would be best for both parties to move on.

19 Aug 2017 17:03:11
It makes sense for both teams. I like it. The only two hang ups might be that Atlanta could want a guy on a rookie scale longer and it's been hard to judge what Philly thinks Okafor is worth. Okafor still being on the roster makes me think they value him a lot more than most teams.

19 Aug 2017 19:05:29
I like it for both too. I think a late first is reasonable for Okafor, and with the Hawks rebuilding, why not take a flyer on Okafor for a year.

20 Aug 2017 20:50:39
Okafor is scheduled to male 5mill this year, with a team option for next year. If this trade, or a similiar trade, was to happen, Philly should think about signing shabazz muhamahd to a 2 year deal for 12 mill, first year guranteed at 5mill and second year team option at 7mill. Scoring may be an issue at times with all the young guys, and a sf to come off the bench for some instant offense may work well for sixers.

17 Aug 2017 07:43:45
Trades these teams need to make before the 2018 Playoffs!

Lakers : Jordan Clarkson + Luol Deng for Dwyane Wade

Celtics: Jayson Tatum for

Rockets: Trevor Ariza + Tarik Black + Eric Gordon for Carmelo Anthony

Cleveland: Iman Shumpert for Kyle Anderson

OKC: Enes Kanter + Andre Roberson for Dwayne Wade + Cristiano Felicia

Minnesota: Gorgui Deng + Tyus Jones for Greg Monroe + Tyus Jones

NYK: Carmelo Anthony + Joakim Noah for Malik Monk + Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

Suns: Eric Bledsoe + Brandon Knight for Dante Exum + 2018 First Round Pick

PHI: Jahlil Okafor + Robert Covington for T.J. Warren + Brandon Knight or
Kent Bazemore

Kings: Kosta Koufous for Wesley Johnson

Bucks : Greg Monroe + Mirza Teletovic for Kent Bazemore + Miles Plumlee

Pelicans: Frank Jackson + 2018 First Round Pick for Tobias Harris

Nuggets: Emmanuel Mudiay + Will Barton + Kenneth Faried for Nicolas Batum

Spurs: Patty Mills + Kyle Anderson + 2018 First Round Pick for Eric Bledsoe

Wizards: Markieff Morris + Kelly Oubre for Keneth Faried

Raptors: Kyle Lowry + C.J. Miles +Serge Ibaka + 2018 1st Round Pick for Kyrie Irving + Iman Shumpert

This last one hurts the most.

17 Aug 2017 07:50:41
almost all are way off.

17 Aug 2017 10:13:08
like which ones.

17 Aug 2017 11:48:35
Can't say for sure, but I tend to doubt that Celtics would be willing to give Tatum away for nothing.

17 Aug 2017 12:00:47
Why would Minnesota want Monroe? And why trade for Tyus Jones when they have Tyus Jones?

17 Aug 2017 16:43:41
Why would the raptors trade there best Pg who's and Allstar and everyone else for kyrie. I laugh at how bad this trade request is maybe a Lowry Powell straight up with a draft pick For kyrie and shumpert.

17 Aug 2017 18:39:54
Knicks give melo and noah for monk and MKG? Yes please.

These are beyond foolish.

17 Aug 2017 22:25:59
Noah's contract is horrible and Monk dropped 50 in NCAA. You are getting another top 10 lottery pick and dumping Noah. For the rebuild.

17 Aug 2017 01:38:41
76ers Get: Enes Kanter, 2018 Bulls 2nd, 2018 OKC 2nd

OKC Get: Jahlil Okafor


76ers finally move Okafor and acquire a player that's far more suited to coming off of the bench.

OKC escape the luxury tax and free up a lot of money for the extensions of Russell Westbrook and Paul George.

17 Aug 2017 18:03:00
love it but take away one or two seconds because okafor is injury prone.

14 Aug 2017 16:41:49
Four team trade: Knicks/Cavaliers/76ers/Suns
New York Knicks trade: Kristaps Porzingis, Carmelo Anthony, Frank Ntilinkina, and Joakim Noah

New York Knicks receive: Kyrie Irving, Dario Saric, Robert Covington, Dragan Bender, and Channing Frye

The Knicks are giving up their present and their future all in one deal here. So why would they do this deal? Simple: they are gaining an even brighter future. Irving is a proven star and wants nothing more than to play in New York. The Knicks have been unwilling to include Porzingis in a deal for Irving this offseason, so I remedied that by essentially swapping Anthony out for Saric and Covington, more than fair considering both of their ages and potential, and, more importantly, ridding them of Noah's lengthy and pricey contract. Swapping out Ntilinkina for Bender would be more of a positional swap than anything, as acquiring Irving wouldn't leave much room for Ntilinkina, however, acquiring Bender would provide the Knicks with Porzingis' replacement, one of the most similar type of players as compared to Porzingis in the league. Moreover, this trade would open up over $20 million worth of cap space, and potentially enough for a max contract, for the next offseason. Free agents have never been shy in their desire to play in New York, which would be even more the case with Irving in town and youngsters such as Saric and Bender around.

Irving/Ramon Sessions
Tim Hardaway Jr./Courtney Lee
Covington/Lance Thomas
Saric/Bender
Kyle O'Quinn/Willy Hernangomez



Cleveland Cavaliers trade: Kyrie Irving, Iman Shumpert, Channing Frye, Richard Jefferson, and Kay Felder

Cleveland Cavaliers receive: Eric Bledsoe, Carmelo Anthony, and Richaun Holmes

In terms of talent, this deal would provide the Cavaliers with more than a fair return in exchange for Irving. While this may not be the same case in terms of value (although definitely debatable), the Cavaliers have been really struggling to find a team willing to give up fair value for Irving and most likely will not find fair value for a player of Irving's status. The Cavaliers will be in a very weird spot this upcoming season with the uncertainty of James' future as a Cavalier hanging over their heads. They desire to acquire a veteran player along with a young prospect with high upside for Irving in the event that LeBron James is to bolt again. With this trade, they would not only acquire one veteran, one who is still only 27-years-old and probably just played his best season of basketball as a professional, but two, the other whose contract expires after this season and they could decide to re-sign should James opt to stay in Cleveland. Although Holmes doesn't possess as high of upside as the Cavaliers would hope, he is signed for two more years on a very cheap contract and coming off a breakout season in which he was extremely effective in terms of per 36 minutes statistics while holding down a very efficient field goal percentage and even stretching the floor for his team by hitting some three pointers. Ridding themselves of Frye, Shumpert, Jefferson, and Felder would neutralize the blow the team would face for acquiring the pricey contracts of Bledsoe and Anthony.

Bledsoe/Derrick Rose
Anthony/Kyle Korver
James/J.R. Smith
Kevin Love/Jeff Green
Tristan Thompson/Holmes



Philadelphia 76ers trade: Dario Saric, Robert Covington, Richaun Holmes, Jahlil Okafor, 2018 76ers first-round pick, and 2018 Lakers first-round pick (top 1 protected)/2019 Kings first-round pick (pick that doesn't get traded to the Celtics)

Philadelphia 76ers receive: Kristaps Porzingis, Joakim Noah, and Richard Jefferson

Giving up four young players with solid upside, two potentially high draft picks, and taking on an absolutely terrible contract (along with a much smaller one) would be a hard pill for the 76ers to swallow. There are only a few players in the league worth this type of package and Porzingis is certainly one of them. Can you seriously imagine the 76ers acquiring Porzingis without giving up Joel Embiid, Ben Simmons, and Markelle Fultz? Wow! The potential for the team to succeed in the future would probably be something that has never been heard of in the past. If all these players are to live up to their highest potential, just imagine a team of James Harden, LeBron James, Dirk Nowitzki, and Hakeem Olajuwon all playing together. That would be absolutely absurd! The best part would be that the team, even with Noah's contract on the books, would have just under $30 million to spend on free agents next season, with the chance to finesse enough cap space for a maximum contract if need be. Shooting and defense would probably be the two biggest needs for a team of this caliber, and with players such as Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Avery Bradley available, the team would have a variety of opportunities to complete their starting line-up for the next 10 years.

Fultz/Jerryd Bayless
J.J. Redick/Nik Stauskas
Simmons/Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot
Porzingis/Amir Johnson
Embiid/Noah



Phoenix Suns trade: Eric Bledsoe and Dragan Bender

Phoenix Suns receive: Jahlil Okafor, Frank Ntilinkina, Iman Shumpert, 2018 76ers first-round pick, and 2018 Lakers first-round pick (top 1 protected)/2019 Kings first-round pick (pick that doesn't get traded to the Celtics)

The Phoenix Suns are one of the youngest teams in the league, and they are only hoping to get younger as they look to sell off veterans such as Bledsoe, Tyson Chandler, and a few others. They have the minutes and room for risk available to take a chance on a player like Okafor, who still has enough offensive potential in him to be a possible surprise for a team willing to take the risk in acquiring him. More important in this deal, however, would be the two picks the team would be acquiring. Even with the magical upside the 76ers would have on their roster following this trade, they would almost undoubtedly need another year to develop into a true contender, and that's not taking injuries into consideration. Granted, the Eastern Conference is probably as weak as it has ever been and the 76ers can just as easily sneak into the playoffs as a seventh or eighth seed as they can finish as an 11th or 12th seed, but even if this pick were to fall as far back as 15th, it would provide the Suns with an opportunity to draft a player with, at minimum, medial upside. The second pick the Suns would receive in this deal would either be the Lakers' draft pick next year or the Kings' draft pick in two years. They would receive the Lakers pick next year if it fell beyond the fifth slot. Considering the likeliness of their pick falling somewhere between the sixth and 10th slot in next year's draft, or the likeliness of the Kings' draft pick landing somewhere in the top five slot the following year, the return the Suns would be receiving in this trade for Bledsoe would be very worthwhile. As mentioned before, swapping Bender for Ntilinkina would be positional more than anything, as Marquese Chriss plays the same position that Bender plays and outperformed him this previous season. The Suns need themselves a young point guard of the future and the hope would be that Ntilinkina would be that guy for them.

Ntilinkina/Tyler Ulis
Devin Booker/Elijah Millsap
Josh Jackson/T.J. Warren
Chriss/Jared Dudley
Okafor/Tyson Chandler

14 Aug 2017 17:36:51
Philly says no, way too much to give up just for Zinger.

14 Aug 2017 17:37:20
Not bad. I think the biggest hang ups would be the amount the 76ers are giving up here and I'm not sure if the Cavs would be willing to go all in this year rather than getting a mix of young talent and established players. Holmes is young, but he is probably a career role player.

14 Aug 2017 19:16:47
Philly says no. Could go either way if that is too much for Porzingis but I could see it happen, but with adding Noah that is way too much imo. They should be keeping one of Covington or Saric and one of those first should become 2 seconds

14 Aug 2017 22:44:30
I agree that the 76ers may be giving up too much but what you guys have to understand is that the Knicks aren't at all desperate to trade Porzingis, and even Anthony for that matter taking into account the offers they've received for him, therefore, it would take a king's ransom deal to grab him. 76ers have a lot of assets that they will have to consolidate at some point, and they should that sooner rather than waiting till later and receiving pennies on the dollar.

Porzingis has a truly unique skill set, is a superstar in the making playing in a superstar's league, and is extremely young, making him worth the king's ransom. The fact that they would still have enough money to spend on a top free agent next season in an effort to fill out their line-up would be icing on the cake.

15 Aug 2017 00:41:57
Danny, I just think you're underestimating how much of a negative asset Noah is.

15 Aug 2017 03:43:41
No ones arguing that it would take a ransom to get him but Philly is giving up a ransom and then your acting like the Knicks can throw in one of the worst contracts in the NBA on top of it. Like I said I can see the Sixers doing that without Noah included

15 Aug 2017 15:24:17
I don't see phoenix doing this. Yes they're getting a lot, but it's mainly a lot of nothing. No one wants play of, and the Lakers pick I believe is already owed to Boston for moving up this year to #1. So it would be 2 years before they get the first rounder. And I don't believe they can trade they're own pick since they're already trading one. so basically phoenix trades Bledsoe, and bender for okafor schumperts contract, and the pg from new York.

09 Aug 2017 19:07:33
PHI-MEM-MIL-CLE trade

Philadelphia gets- Iman Shumpert

Memphis gets- Kyrie Irving, Jahlil Okafor, Greg Monroe (Expiring contract)

Milwaukee gets- Tristan Thompson

Cleveland gets- Mike Conley, Marc Gasol, 1st rd pick (MIL)

What you think?

09 Aug 2017 19:43:54
Not a huge fan of it for Milwaukee. Valuewise it doesn't seem terrible for them, but they are already a really solid defensive team. If they're going to give up a first, I think they would want more offense.

09 Aug 2017 15:33:29
CLE-MEM-PHI-NYK trade

Cleveland gets- Mike Conley, Marc Gasol, Kyle O'Quinn

Memphis gets- Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson, Edy Tavares

Philadelphia gets- Iman Shumpert

New York gets- Jahlil Okafor

Whats your thoughts?

09 Aug 2017 16:12:30
Not bad overall.

10 Aug 2017 02:35:08
NY should not be in the trade.

09 Aug 2017 06:03:20
Melo to Pelicans

Knicks get Jackson, Asik and Okafor

Pistons get Moore and Ajinca

76ers get Hill, QP

09 Aug 2017 16:14:34
So, you want the Knicks to take on two more bad centres without moving Noah? Nope.

02 Aug 2017 14:31:48
CHI-NOP-PHI-CLE trade

Chicago gets- Jahlil Okafor, Solomon Hill, Omer Asik, 1st rd pick (NO), 2nd rd pick (NO)

New Orleans gets- Robin Lopez, JR Smith

Philadelphia gets- Iman Shumpert, Cam Payne

Cleveland gets- Dwyane Wade, Alexis Ajinca

02 Aug 2017 16:10:59
Pelicans can't turn garbage into talent. Hey don't belong the trade. Keep Lopez and Asik. Only Hill gets you jrsmith.

02 Aug 2017 17:03:36
I don't see the Cavs trading for Wade. If the Cavs trade Irving, Wade is a terrible fit in the starting line up and without JR and Shumpert, there would be a sizable hole at sg.

27 Jul 2017 03:51:38
76ers get Jared Dudley, Omer Asik (stretch) and a unprotected 2018 first round pick from Pelicans and a second round pick

Suns get Solomon Hill,Iman Shumpert, Robert Covington and a first round 2022 pick from the Pelicans.

Pelicans get Kyrie Irving

Cavs get Jahlil Okafor, Etwuan Moore, Chieck Diallo, Eric Bledsoe, Quincy Pondexter and a first round pick from the Pelicans 2020

27 Jul 2017 04:36:52
Pelicans aren't going to be able to add Irving without moving Cousins or AD. Maybe a remote chance with Holiday but since he was just resigned I don't think he can be traded for a few months.

27 Jul 2017 07:02:55
And Why should the 76ers do that? For dumping Asik you need the pick alone. Dudley hasn't much value and is injured at the moment. And giving up Covington is stupid because they need his D. It doesn't matter if it's an unprotected pick or not because the pels will make the playoffs.

The value the cavs get is bad too.

25 Jul 2017 16:33:48
Bulls Get: Cole Aldrich, Jahlil Okafor

Cavaliers Get: Robin Lopez, Andrew Wiggins, Tyus Jones, 2019 top 10 protected Timberwolves 1st

76ers Get: Channing Frye, 2018 OKC 1st (via MIN)

Timberwolves Get: Kyrie Irving, Bulls 2020 2nd

25 Jul 2017 18:16:02
Not bad but if I were Cavs I'd keep it simple and just deal with Twolves. Something like Irving and Frye for Wiggins and Dieng.

26 Jul 2017 00:51:36
Sixers say hell yes. A late first and frye for Okafor. couldn't ask for a better return.

26 Jul 2017 02:35:08
For all of you saying that Wiggins is the better choice of him and Melo, I would disagree. Wiggins is not the best he can be yet and Lebron is on the team for at least another season, but Cleveland can't lose of the GOATs for the second time. The goal is to keep Lebron and keep him happy by bringing in Melo and trying to get him to stay. Melo would waive because if they aren't happy, they both can leave the next year due to both of them having player options.

27 Jul 2017 19:11:38
Bmfims- Between the 2 players, Wiggins would be better fit, but I agree that they should go for Melo to try to keep Lebron happy.

23 Jul 2017 17:38:33
Theoretically, if the Cavs blow it up.

The Cavs get Noah, Maker, 2 Bucks 1sts, Hernangomez, and a Knicks 1st

The Bucks get Love

The Knicks get Monroe (exp)

2nd trade

The Cavs get Ingram, Deng, and 2 Lakers 1sts

The Lakers get Lebron

3rd trade

The Cavs get Fultz, Saric, Bayless, a 76ers 1st and 2 2nds

The 76ers get Irving

23 Jul 2017 19:08:10
I wouldn't give up Hernangomez and a first just to get rid of Noah for a player like Monroe. Greg is an underachiever in his own right.

23 Jul 2017 19:39:21
I like all the moves for Cavs. The Love return is more than I would expect. Lebron has a no-trade clause so he would be difficult to deal so I'd consider Ingram and picks to compensate taking on Deng's contract a win for Cavs. Similarly the Irving trade would be fantastic if Cavs were rebuilding since Fultz has a similar upside to Irving as an elite scorer and Cavs get compensated for the risk that he doesn't reach those lofty expectations.

If I'm Bucks its close but with Maker starting playoff games at 20 yrs old and showing stretch big and defensive upside the sky is the limit for him and although Love is a good player he doesn't really fit the freakishly long and athletic, positionless and young Bucks team.

If I'm the Knicks I wouldn't give up to essentially just dump Noah's contract either (Monroe isn't going to be a difference maker for them in 1 year) .

The Lakers could opt to take the same approach they took with George and try to just nab James for free in free agency (especially if Cavs are having a firesale since Lebron would probably be selective in which teams he waives his no-trade clause for) . Although they are moving Deng's contract. I think they could likely get away wit giving up just 1 future 1st.

76ers fans are probably torn on the Irving trade but I like it for them. Irving is a sure thing and 76ers need that with the injury scares they've had and limited time their top picks have played. Saric is good but I don't think he'll ever be more than a solid starter and as long as the 76ers pick is decently protected its not that valuable (with Irving 76ers should make playoffs in east regardless) .

23 Jul 2017 20:24:18
Jaw, I think the Bucks need shooting around Giannis and Love is good enough to get them into the next round. Maker has a ton of potential, but isn't going to be more than a role player for the next 3 or 4 years. The picks are probably late and don't have a ton of value. If the Knicks want to get rid of Noah, this wouldn't be a bad option.

If Lebron lists multiple teams the Cavs could get a decent return for him. There are probably 4 or 5 solid landing spots for him and if he oked it, you would have to assume he would resign.

23 Jul 2017 20:57:22
sixers fans aren't torn. This is the same dilemna as the knicks have. When a player demands a trade, there is strongly diminished value.

If you really think that irving demanding a trade now will net you This years clear 1st, saric who was in the running for rookie of the year, bayless, 2 seconds and a 1st that is likely in the lottery. well. you're just nuts.

Amazing how you ranted for months about how players like melo have no value, or george has diminished value because he demands a trade. but irving, you get top dollar for?

Also, i'm not really going to spend much time on this. but love, for a 1st team all rookie big in hermangomez, Maker, 3 1sts. seriously? Yeah you take on noah's contract, but between all 3 players its the same amount of money for less years. Just stop it. It ain't happening.

23 Jul 2017 22:04:43
Hamburger, years matter. Getting rid of Noah would be difficult. The Cavs have most of the league putting in offers for Kyrie. Lots of teams interested = a good return.
Melo has no value because he's only willing to go to two teams, he's 34, he's on the decline, and he's on an expiring contract.

23 Jul 2017 22:08:44
Demanding a trade without a doubt diminishes Irvings value but he is neither an expiring contract saying he wants to go to LA (George's situation) or has a no-trade clause (Melo's situation) making it not quite as impactful. With Irving 25 and signed for two more years rather cheaply he'll have plenty of suitors as teams won't fear a one year rental (George's situation) and Cavs can deal him to whomever they choose not a short list of two teams.

This is definitely on the high side of the offers Cavs would get for Irving especially if they are looking to rebuild and if I were the 76ers it wouldn't be my first offer but if I were them I'd be comfortable giving this up if push came to shove and 76ers wanted to make a serious push into relevance so they could potentially land a top FA next summer. With the Cavs out of the picture after this trade they wouldn't have an insurmountable road to the finals.

23 Jul 2017 23:00:27
I think the 3rd trade might be the closest to work. If the sixers add sth else it might be okay.
The first is bad because they take Noah's contract. Therefore you need the 3 1st rounders alone (especially with an owner who's unwillig to spend) .
Second one the same. You can't get rid of deng for 2 late first rounders in 2020 and 2022 (sixers own the 2018). And James for Ingram is horrible.

24 Jul 2017 07:41:08
no from Bucks

26 Jul 2017 14:48:01
That is a big no from Philly. Way too much going out.

26 Jul 2017 15:55:15
who is ranting cheeseburger?

22 Jul 2017 18:56:19
Cavs/ Philly:

To CLE - Fultz, Saric, Okafor

To PHI - Irving, Osman

This one seems simple enough. Cavs add two great pieces for inevitable rebuild, Philly turns young assets into a Superstar with team control.

22 Jul 2017 20:58:45
I think its solid value but basically guarantees Lebron's departure, in fact he'd probably want to be traded and since he has a no-trade clause the Cavs would be at his mercy.

I think it would be a wise move for 76ers to consolidate assets for a young superstar and at the same time tear apart the East's best team.

22 Jul 2017 21:27:27
On one side I think that's the value you can get for Irving right now. The cavs won't get fair value simmilar to the bulls in the Butler trade.
On the other side I can't imagine the 76ers doing this. They suffered for 4 years now to get a contender in 2020/ 21. With this trade they get better now but in 4 years Irving will start to decline. The young players on the 76ers need these years to develop.
Finally I say they don't make a trade to get in the 2nd round of the playoffs instead of loosing in the first. It doesn't fit to their longterm plan.

22 Jul 2017 22:46:30
I'd be reluctant to add Osman if I were the Cavs. If they're going to go into a rebuild they should offer Shumpert or Korver.

22 Jul 2017 22:50:39
Also, Kyrie is 24 PS3. He is still improving. I don't see him declining for the next 6 years at the minimum. He probably has closer to 8.

22 Jul 2017 23:43:00
Oh you're right. Thought he's 28. My mistake.

24 Jul 2017 16:39:02
Sixers traded the third pick and a future top 5 pick (Lakers 18 or Sacramento 19) to move up and take Fultz numberv1 overall. I would not trade Fultz, Saric and possibly a future number 1 when Fultz could be better player then Irving who has also had several injuries already. Sixers need to trust the process and continue to point the needle upward with regards to there rebuild.

 
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