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22 Nov 2017 23:58:55
Philly- Phoenix

Phoenix: Okafor+ Bayless+ 2rnd pick
Philly: Monroe

Philly's off season
Sign LBJ to a 60M 2y contract
Sign CP3 to a 30M 2y contract
Sign and trade:
OKC: Covington+ 1rnd pick
Philly : P George

C: Embiid/ Holmes
PF: Simmons/ Saric
SF: LBJ/Kormaz
SG: P George/Fultz
PG: CP3/ Fultz

23 Nov 2017 03:50:22
i like it. i'd only go for cp based on how he plays with harden this year, i'm not trying to limit what ben simmons can do.

20 Nov 2017 21:31:44

Suns trade Monroe, Daniels, 2nd rounder for Thompson, Smith and Nets pick (plus trade exception).

Cavs get 9 million in cap space which they can possibly use to acquire another player, a frontcourt and SG upgrade to make another run at the title while they still have LBJ.

Suns get 30 million in bad contracts for three years in exchange for a top 10, possible top 3 pick.

20 Nov 2017 21:46:09
Wow, that’s horrible. You can’t get the nets pick for just a salary dump.

20 Nov 2017 22:24:39
I assume you forgot Booker and Jackson in the trade?

20 Nov 2017 23:58:52
No way Cleve makes this deal and PHX wouldn't either. Thompson is a R. Paul client (bad blood there), Smith is not the kind of veteran a team like PHX needs, or wants. Mostly, though, the draft pick won't move in a deal like this.

21 Nov 2017 01:59:38
Even with bad fits and bad blood, Phoenix makes that trade all day. They could easily flip Thompson, and might be able to flip Smith (at least for a bad contract with a better attitude) .

21 Nov 2017 15:13:09
No way Cavs give up the Nets pick for that. Even if that pick ends up conveying around 7-10th, it's still too much to give up for that package.

Also, while I'm not the biggest fan of either Thompson or Smith, they are not "salary dump" players. They're both solid contributors on contracts that are a little more than what they should be, but they're not the Jo Noah's of the L either.

23 Nov 2017 03:44:49
The suns have no interest in acquiring tristan thompson. Reasons are obvious.

19 Nov 2017 10:48:59
Miami: Dudley+ T Chandler+ B Knight+ return miami pick 2018 and 2021

Phoe: H Whiteside+ Booker+ Mudiay

Denver: Dragic+ 1rnd pick Bucks

Nets: Farried+ 2rnd pick OKc (from Suns)

Miami has little future, playing for the eight spot. They take contracts for draft picks. They already have some young talents, so they can go for a total rebuilt.

Phoenix get a good defensive center, a young pointguard and capspace

Denver get a good pointguard that can lead that team and an extra draft pick

The Nets get an exciting player and an extra draft pick

20 Nov 2017 16:49:07
Don't think Miami is in the market for a rebuild after all the money they just spent on signings this offseason.

18 Nov 2017 01:43:43
Trade 1: Phoe-Clippers-Port-Wolves

Phoe: B Griffin+ McCollum+ L williams

Port: J Butler+ 2rnd pick OKC(from Phoenix)

Wolves: Monroe+ J Jackon

Clippers: B Knight+Dudley+Bender+1rnd pick Miami+ 1rnd pick suns+ 1rnd pick Bucks

Trade 2

LA: D Jordan+ 2rnd pick clippers
Clippers: Ingram+ clarckson+ Deng

Phoenix receive two all star calliber players and a great sixth man. McCollum and Griffin would be a great duo. Griffin could be the main ball handler and McCollum can be a great scorer. Griffin- McCollum-Bookers would be a big three. And they still have some assets to trade for a good center (Chriss+ 2021 Miami pick)

Portland receives a player that would be a better fit than McCollum.

The Wolves get an extra young player with potential and they can stay under the cap.

LA get capspace and they have a backup plan with signing Jordan if they fail to land other big free agents. They lose Ingram, but Kuzma is a good replacement and they trade Deng without losing draft picks

The Clippers can rebuilt with four draft picks, they aso propably keep their 2019 and 2020 pick (top 14 protected), so they only have to give Boston a 2022 second round . And they can develop Bender and Ingram. And Clarcson would be the main scorer in that team, so his stock would go up and they can trade him later for draft picks.

18 Nov 2017 05:39:50
i don't think the wolves would have any interest in this. their current roster can contend for much of the foreseeable future, but i don't think that happens w/ o butler around.

and the clippers have delusions that they are contenders, so blowing it up doesn't seem like their move. i would be shocked if they didn't resign dj (unless he forces his way out like cp did)

18 Nov 2017 08:55:57

A Wiggins get a big contract next year, so the Wolves go over the cap. They also have to pay KAT a Max contract in 2019. Can/ will they pay the luxury tax? I really like Butler, but trading him for J Jackson and a second rnd pick would be a smart move. They don't need to win now, they still have time.

The Clippers do think that. But they're 5-9 and going to play for the eight spot, so this would be a smart move for them.

15 Nov 2017 21:11:42
Cavaliers and Suns

Tristan Thompson for Greg Monroe.

16 Nov 2017 12:42:29
Thompson's the only other guy on the Cavs next to LBJ that actually plays D. The Cavs need to add Greg Monroe without giving up Tristan, not in place of him. That Cavs D would be an All-Time train wreck.

17 Nov 2017 13:35:59
Tristan thompson has not played exceptional defense since the 2016 season. Check out the game he recently played against the knicks prior to injury. Kanter dominated him as he had 1 point and 0 rebounds. Look at the first two games of the finals where thompson had awful games.

17 Nov 2017 14:32:01
William, so you're saying a sample size of 3 games should be the deciding factor on wether or not TT plays good defense? He's a solid defender. His post defense is below average, but there aren't many teams looking to consistently post up and his defensive versatility makes up for it. Monroe isn't a good defender any way you slice it and isn't going to help the Cavs on that end. TT can bring energy and defense, which the Cavs need far more than Monroe's post offense. Monroe would be a decent pick up, but there are plenty of centers that would be better fits for the Cavs.

15 Nov 2017 12:51:52
Phoe: R gobert+ L Ball+ Deng

Utah: Clarckson+ Ingram+ J Jackson+ T Chandler+ 1rnd pick Suns

LA: Monroe+ Favors+ 1rnd pick Miami+ 1rnd pick Bucks+ 1rnd pcik Miami 2021

15 Nov 2017 13:24:47
Big no from Lakers. While they clear Deng and Clarkson's deals, they give up their two best young assets for picks. Don't see Magic moving Lonzo for this.

15 Nov 2017 13:58:27
They could sign D Cousins+ P George+ LBJ.

15 Nov 2017 14:59:34
Maybe they sign them all, but so what? Then they would be stuck with a 2 or 3 yr window to win it all and then they have to start all over again and suck for the next 10 years.
No way Magic would he do this, or be allowed to do this.
They are on the right path. They can add LeBron and George. They would be far better off letting it play out.

15 Nov 2017 15:08:01
Gasupo, that's a huge risk and if they have to depleted their team of all affordable talent is it even worth it for Lebron or George to go since they're already on stacked teams.

15 Nov 2017 16:51:41
I wouldn't do that if I were the Lakers gm. But they already cleared Mozgov. So if they wanted to rebuild they could have kept russell. I can see them do it somehow if they can keep Ball and just give up Ingram alone. With Ball and the picks they have assets for the future.

15 Nov 2017 17:00:34
sure, la got to clear cap but if that means sell the farm, its a mistake. i think the model to follow is what the celtics have done/ doing. which is try to work an immediate and longterm plan. so pg and boog are both 27, wouldn't it be ideal, if they could, to have ball and ingram in their prime once pg and boog decline (and reach the end of their contracts)
and the lakers aren't even getting any lottery picks here as insurance
but holy hell could this deal work out great for utah if that suns pick is top 5 and ingram and jackson pan out.

13 Nov 2017 09:14:35
I'm trying to make a Deng trade.

Philly: Ingram+Daniels

Suns: L Ball+ Deng

LA: Okafor+ 1rnd pick LA /or 1rnd pick Philly or Sac 2019+ 1rnd pick bucks 2018

Phoenix receive a PG with potential that fits the system. (And there's less pressure than in LA)

Philly get a young wingman

And LA get capspace and draft picks. They could sign LBJ, P george and D cousins. And they have the assets (draft picks) to trade for some good roll players. And they can start a rebuilt with the draft picks if they fail to land free agents.

13 Nov 2017 09:55:22
LA: * Monroe.

13 Nov 2017 12:46:37
Lakers not trading Ball.

13 Nov 2017 14:57:54
No way Magic will ever trade Lonzo Ball. He is basically the face of the franchise. Especially for a center that no one wants and a bunch of unknown players via draft picks.

13 Nov 2017 17:17:18
so the lakers trade their only two “untouchable” players (each a former number 2 pick) for some picks that won't even be top 5.yeah, ok.

13 Nov 2017 17:19:24
Actually, I should be all for that trade. As far as I'm concerned, the more the Lakers lose, the better chance the Celtics have at getting a 2 to 5 lottery pick.
Alas, the Lakers still won't trade Ball.

12 Nov 2017 16:14:47
LA send :
luol deng 17190
julius randle 4149
josh hart 1394
randolph 12307
mat barnes 6400
arron afflalo 1500

monroe 17884
jones 1312

mcroberts 6021
devin harris 4402
smith 3218
curry 3028
withey 1577
ferrell 1312

johnson 11000
okafor 4995
stauskas 3807

mirotic 12500
pondexter 3853
rondo 3000

randolph 12307
mat barnes 6400
arron afflalo 1500

monroe 17884
jones 1312


mcroberts 6021
devin harris 4402
smith 3218
curry 3028
withey 1577
ferrell 1312

johnson 11000
okafor 4995
stauskas 3807

mirotic 12500
pondexter 3853
rondo 3000


12 Nov 2017 16:34:45
No those are all god awful for the other teams.

12 Nov 2017 18:04:44
You lost me on Matt Barnes and Arron Aflallo being traded from KINGS although one is FA and other playing for Magic.

13 Nov 2017 15:03:09
Thank you for not including the Pelicans in those lop-sided trade ideas.

14 Nov 2017 14:48:47
rondo isn't in chicago anymore he's in NO.

12 Nov 2017 10:36:54
Suns; Warren, Chandler and Mike James
Kings; Fox, Koufos, Temple

12 Nov 2017 14:37:26
Why would sacramento do this?

The suns should give their own and the miami pick to convince the Kings doing this.

11 Nov 2017 23:37:08
Cavs get Monroe
Suns get shumpert Frye Miami 2nd

Sign Ellis

Thomas rose Calderon
Smith wade Ellis
James korver osman
Love crowder green
Thompson Monroe zizic

12 Nov 2017 04:44:47
Why would the Suns do this? Monroe has an expiring deal that will give PHX lots more cap space. Shumpert has 3 years left at $10m per. So, PHX won't do a deal like this, if they have to take more than another expiring deal.

12 Nov 2017 11:57:22
Shumpert is a good fit in Phoenix, but no way they do this. They want to hit the free agent market.

Maybe the suns do this if Cleveland gives them a swap option on the Nets pick with the Miami and Suns pick. And the Cleveland 2021 pick if they don't use the swap option.

12 Nov 2017 11:58:55
Shumpert only has a player option left after this year.

10 Nov 2017 11:38:51
What is the worst trade since 2010 besides the Nets- Celtics trade.

1) OKC- Hou
Hou: Harden
OKC: Lamb+K Martin/ 1rnd pick ( S Adams)

2) Clippers- Cleveland
Clippers: M Williams
Cleveland: b Davis+ 1rnd pick (K Irving)

3) NY- Tor
NY: Bargnani
Tor: Camby+ Novak+ 1rnd pick 2016 (Poetl)+ 2 2rnd picks

4) Suns-Bucks- Philly
Suns: B Knight+ Marchall
Philly: MC williams+ plumlee+ Ennis
Philly: protected 1rnd pick LA 2015 (2018 unprotected LA pick)
4)GS- Bucks
GS: Bogut
Bucks: M ellis

5) Other trade

10 Nov 2017 13:44:06
The Melo trade was pretty bad. Mozgov (who was flipped for 2 firsts later), Gallinari (good starter), Chandler ( good Starter), Felton (solid starter at the time), a 1st and 2 2nds.

Melo was a legit top 10 player at the time, but the Knick's roster was to depleted after the trade to really ever compete at a high level and I can't imagine there was another offer any where near that.

10 Nov 2017 14:10:31
Got to be the Mo Will for Boom Dizz and Kyrie deal.

10 Nov 2017 14:11:53
All good choices for bad deals but, I think if you asked "Media Anointed Genius" Sam Presti in OKC for a do-over, he'd find a way to hang onto James Harden. That team was genuinely scary with all 3 of those guys there.

10 Nov 2017 14:20:40
Maybe this trade was even worse than the Boston trade

Nets: D Williams
Utah: Favors+ D Harris+ 1rnd pick 11 (draft Kanter with 4rd pick, K Thompson, K Leonard and J Butler available) + 1rnd pick Golden state 2013 ( draft Dieng with the 21 pick, Gobert available) . + Cash

Or this one

Nets: G Wallace
Portland: Okur+ 1rnd pick ( D Lillard)

All trades on this forum looks good, if you look to the Nets trades :-)

10 Nov 2017 14:57:24
Golden State trading #3 pick (Kevin Mchale) and Robert Parish for the #1 pick (Joe Barry Carroll)

10 Nov 2017 14:59:18
Charlotte Hornets trading Kobe Bryant to the Lakers for Vlade Divac and bunch of crap.

10 Nov 2017 16:33:39
@ Yumbo, since 2010.

10 Nov 2017 18:47:29
Phoenix gets Marcus Thornton and the Cavs 2016 1st rounder (Skal Labissiere moved in a package for the Chriss pick)

Boston gets Thomas.

On the flip side of the Ainge coin, moving Perkins for Green.

10 Nov 2017 19:38:32
Gerald Wallace for the pick that became Lillard does stick out as pretty terrible.

10 Nov 2017 21:06:31
Forgot to mention that the two players from 1st rounder and pick swap were Jamal Murray and Saric. So both ended up as lottery picks.

10 Nov 2017 23:57:44
Mark Cuban would say rondo deal was a nightmare.

11 Nov 2017 02:43:01
James Harden trade was worse. and the mo will for Davis is close. 3rd choice is the love for Wiggins because the cavs could did Better or kept him.

11 Nov 2017 04:07:32
Love for Wiggins wasn't bad for the Cavs. Wiggins is a worse offensive player, rebounder, passer, and defender. Outside of being younger and more athletic, Wiggins reeally doesn't have anything on Love.

11 Nov 2017 07:00:32
I take Butler or George or cousins other then love because I believe Wiggins is better then what the bulls, pacers and kings gave up.

11 Nov 2017 14:11:56
Sixers get:Andrew Bynum (remember him? ) for Igoudala, Vucevic, Harkless, and a first round pick. Bynum never saw the floor for the sixers.

11 Nov 2017 17:05:47

That was a crazy trade indeed.

Funny that the Magic won that trade :-) :-) :-)

12 Nov 2017 00:33:28
Magic won that trade big time. And the same trade set the sixers back for years.

13 Nov 2017 13:41:09
Ohioboy, yeah, but you're talking about trades that happened 3 years, 3 finals appearance and a Championship after the fact. The Cavs went out and got the best player available for Wiggins and even though the fit has never been perfect, Love has given them more than Wiggins would have to this point.

09 nov 2017 18:28:30
trade 1
la gets:

phil gets for play off: kcp,randle,deng

trade 2
la gets:
monroe,len,2019 2st rd (mia)
phx gets:
lopez,2018 2nd rd (den)

trade 3
la gets:mirotic ,2019 1st rd (chi)
chi gets:clarkson,2019 2nd rd(chi)

trade 4
la gets:frye,calderon,2018 1st rd (brk)
clev gets:for playoff

laker team:james,cousins,george

2018 1st rd(mia )
2019 1st rd (chi)
2018 1st rd(brk )

09 Nov 2017 18:56:29
So La makes a bunch of one sided trades?

09 Nov 2017 19:31:31
Where's your trade where the Lakers get James and George? Lol.

09 Nov 2017 19:39:31
I assume this is a joke? If not, just no.

09 Nov 2017 20:50:05
i have a feeling la has kcp in their long term plans, he is only 24 and has all star potential. and i also think pg will stick with okc.

09 Nov 2017 21:53:42
No. 2 maybe. No. 1 won't happen. No. 3 is really bad for chicago and No. 4 is ridiculous.

10 Nov 2017 01:26:41
Sixers would have absolutely ZERO interest in this deal.

10 Nov 2017 14:38:46
Note. Don't drink and propose trades.

09 Nov 2017 08:34:50
Cavaliers and Suns

Iman Shumpert and Tristan Thompson for Jared Dudley and Tyson Chandler.

09 Nov 2017 13:14:47
Chandler isn't as good as Tristan at this point and Dudley isn't a huge upgrade over Shumpert. This would make an older Cavs team possibly the oldest team of all time. I really don't see the point for the Cavs.

09 Nov 2017 13:43:42
Another angle to why this ain't going to happen. Thompson's agent is Rich Paul (KLUTCH Sports) . The same guy who was Earl Watson's agent and Eric Bledsoe's as well. One could say that Paul orchestrated a considerable portion of the Bledsoe turmoil all the way thru Bledsoe's time in PHX. Safe to say the relationship between the Suns
front office and KLUTCH is not good at all.

09 Nov 2017 13:49:53
Phxfan also Lebron's agent. So I doubt the Cavs move Thompson without it being 110% endorsed by Lebron.

09 Nov 2017 21:11:25
rkenne, it's Le Bron's agency as he funded it, he basically started it, and now he not only supports it, he is also their numero uno client. By the by, how did Thompson get that big contract in the first place? That's right. LBJ.

09 Nov 2017 04:43:52

Suns get Randle, Asik, Zubac
- move Moose

NOP- Deng
Move two bigs for a wing

LAL- Moose and Ajinca
-exp deals

09 Nov 2017 05:05:14
Pelicans get 2nd pick from Lakers.

09 Nov 2017 05:29:58
can deng really be someone a team actually wants, not just takes alongside something better in a salary dump?

09 Nov 2017 13:54:55
Deng's done, that's not enough to dump his contract, NO should get more ( they're dumping a bad contract, but taking back one of the worst in the league), Deng isn't the defender they need at this point and is a mediocre shooter, and I doubt they're going to bring in a large long term contract unless the player is a really good fit and young.

09 Nov 2017 14:55:44
Pelicans get MIL 2nd from suns.

08 Nov 2017 17:48:25
Suns - 76ers

Suns get Okafor and 2 best second round picks 2018

76ers get A. Williams and Bucks 1st round pick.

Suns get two picks in the 30ies this year instead of one in the mid 20ies in 2020 in addition to the chance of turning Okafor around. I don't expect the Bucks to miss the playoffs in the next years.

Philly does it because they have so many 2nd rounders.

08 Nov 2017 17:55:29
Okafor isn't worth a 1st round pick.

08 Nov 2017 18:10:01
Suns will hold on to the Bucks first, unless it's to move it in a bigger salary dump (ie. Chandler) or for a better player than Okafor.

08 Nov 2017 15:54:21
The Lakers get Booker (exp) and Monroe (exp)

The Suns get Deng, Clarkson, Zubac and the Lakers 2020 first top 3 protected

The Pelicans get Dudley

The Nets get Asik, the Pelicans 2018 pick top 10 protected and a Lakers 2nd.

08 Nov 2017 16:24:09
Trevor Booker* just to clarify.

07 Nov 2017 17:04:57
Bledsoe for Monroe and a 1st

Great trade for the Bucks. I doubt they planned on bringing back Monroe either way and the first should be fairly late.

It seems like the Suns wanted to much for Bledsoe in the past and it came back to bite them. Given his injury history and the circumstances, I guess they could have done worse than a first and an expiring.

07 Nov 2017 17:51:06
Bledsoe-Brogdon-Middleton-Antetokounmpo-Henson looks great as both Bledsoe and Brogdon are great off the ball players.

Keep developing Maker to make him a full time starter and switch Snell to a 6th man role could make them at least conference finals contenders.

07 Nov 2017 18:00:13
It's addition by subtraction for PHX, really. Bledsoe should have been moved a year ago. Monroe's deal ends in 2018.the pick has all sorts of protections around it. becoming totally unprotected by 2021. PHX wants enough cap space to afford 2 max deals. one is for Booker. who knows who they think the other might be for next season. They best look hard for a facilitating, pass first type PG.

07 Nov 2017 18:16:45
I see it as a win-win Milwaukee wins immediate, Phoenix wins long term. Bucks lineup looks very solid.

07 Nov 2017 12:50:23
Pheonix gets D. Russell and Arthur

Brooklyn gets Mudiay, the top 5 protected Suns 18 pick, and Denvers 18 pick

Denver gets Bledsoe

07 Nov 2017 13:36:12
I really like this for Brooklyn and Phoenix.
And Denver want's Bledsoe (I don't know why)

07 Nov 2017 14:56:00
Don't know why Brooklyn would trade Russell. He has been pretty spectacular this season. Plus, wasn't he the number one overall a few years ago?
I understand that the Nets are rebuilding, but why ship Russell away after theY got him on the cheap? . Why not build around him. He's still very young 21?

07 Nov 2017 16:32:22
I agree that Russell has looked good this year, but they're still lacking young talent. They have a few guys like Levert and Russell that look good, but outside of those two there doesn't look to be any future starters. They've used all their salary cap to get what they could and they don't have their pick this year. At this point they're stuck. If they think Russell can turn into a top 10 player, they should keep him, but if he keeps putting up these numbers (he's good but it's hard to tell how good on a bad team) they'll probably have to max him out to keep him. They're going to be moving forward in a rebuild with no capspace, no extra picks, and possibly just enough talent to keep them out of the top 5 to 8 picks. They risk ending up with a roster that's upside is a low seed in the playoffs and then their talented players leaving after their 2nd contracts to teams they can actually win on. Then they're back in a rebuild after little success and with less assets than they currently have.

I think doubling down on a rebuild is the right move. Then they can actually collect the picks they need and can let the bad contracts expire. Then they would have a real chance to collect the young talent to compete for a championship and have enough open cap space to add the extra players they need to complete the roster. Look at how many teams get stuck with a good, but not great roster and don't have the assets or capspace to over come it.

07 Nov 2017 16:58:53
I agree with rkenne.

Russel is good this year, but the Nets have little chance improving their roster. No draft picks and little chance LBJ would sign with them.

They should try to get as many assets as possible so they can start a total rebuilt.

08 Nov 2017 18:39:31
keep russell.
or take the protection off the suns pick.

07 Nov 2017 02:30:05
cleveland / new orleans / phoenix

cavs get . cousins and tyson chandler

new orleans get. thompson,frye brooklyn pick2018

phoenix get. shumpert and osman and 2nd round 2021 pick cavs




07 Nov 2017 13:56:24
U think pels are going let cousins go for thompson, frye and a first? your goin, need much more then that.

06 Nov 2017 17:58:19
NY: H Barnes+ Bledsoe

Suns: Noel+ Ntilikina+C Lee

Dall: T Chandler+ Noah+ 1rnd pick NY 2018+ 1rnd pick Miami 2018+ 1rnd pîck NY 2020

07 Nov 2017 02:47:42
Among the things that would get in the way of a deal such as this ever happening. Suns owner and Mavs owner have a long standing dislike for one another. You'll note that there have been few, if any, deals between the Suns and Mavs over the past 7-8 years.

07 Nov 2017 13:58:39
No way knicks give up 2 first rnd picks in this deal.

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