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21 Jun 2017 18:44:18
Nets - Evan Turner and 20th pick

Blazers - Trevor Booker and Randy Foye

Nets draft - Harry Giles and Ike Anigbogu
Blazers draft - Jared Allen and Frank Jackson

Russell/Lin
Levert/Kilpatrick
RHJ/Turner
Giles/Nicholson
Mozgov/Anigbogu

Lillard/Jackson
McCollum/Crabbe
Harkless/Aminu
Booker/Davis
Nurkic/Allen

21 Jun 2017 15:00:26
Cleveland gets E. Turner, George, and Vonleh

Indy gets Crabbe, Felder, R.Jefferson, and Portlands 3 1sts

Portland gets Love, Shumpert, A. Jefferson, and a Cavs 2nd

21 Jun 2017 14:08:25
Blazers

POR- Paul George
IND- Allen Crabb, Noah Vonleh #16, #20

To me the Blazers have a good shot to offer the best package to IND for PG13, even if it's only for 1 year.

POR- Carmelo Anthony
NYK- Evan Turner, Ed Davis, #26

C- Jusuf Nurkic
PF- Carmelo Anthony
SF- Paul George
SG- CJ McCollum
PG- Damien Lillard

21 Jun 2017 17:45:46
Garbage return for pavers and knicks.

21 Jun 2017 17:56:34
George is walking and most likely won't commit to anyone other than the Lakers. At this point that's what they can expect in return.

That's a trade close to what the Knicks can expect for Melo. Maybe they can get an expiring rather than Turner, but that's about it.

21 Jun 2017 02:26:10
Knicks/ Blazers

To NYK - Turner, #26

To POR - Lee, 2nd from Bulls.

21 Jun 2017 16:30:31
That's not a bad trade, especially if you're thinking you want Monk in the draft. Turner is ideally a PG on offense, and would likely fit the triangle well. The issue comes on the defensive end. You'll need to have someone playing the "3" who's essentially a tall shooting guard. They'll be defending the 1 or 2, but they will need to be a shooter, and tall enough to not get completely eaten up by a SF on the offensive side.

21 Jun 2017 02:23:25
Knicks/ Blazers

To NYK - Turner, #26

To POR - Lee, #4.

21 Jun 2017 05:06:10
close, but Portland will not bring back Lee, 31 years old, with a crowded backcourt situation. It also would still leave Portland with 3 draft picks this year and not enough roster spots. This would only work if Portland could then flip Lee and the 2nd round pick for future picks.

21 Jun 2017 05:12:26
When knicks get the 4th pick?

21 Jun 2017 08:18:47
Phoenix has the #4 pick! Smh! Lol.

21 Jun 2017 12:34:51
Sorry, hit the wrong button, it was supposed to be #46 (Bulls 2nd) .

20 Jun 2017 22:07:28
4 way trade Suns Cavs Bulls Pacers

Cavs receive
George
Butler
Ellis
Dudley

Suns receive
Love
Lopez

Pacers receive
Knight
Chandler
Frye
2017 #4 pick from Suns
2021 1st round pick from Cleveland

Bulls Receive
Thompson
Al Jefferson
Shumpert
2018 first round pick (miami) from suns
2018 2nd round pick (Toronto) from Suns
2019 2nd round pick (LA of Minn, Least fav) from Cleveland
2020 2nd round pick (Portland) from Cleveland

21 Jun 2017 00:39:02
PHX Mgt hears this. laughs a lot. recovers in time to hang up. No way Suns do a deal like this. period.

21 Jun 2017 01:54:50
Irving must be in trade. Love value is declining fast.

21 Jun 2017 02:34:23
Phxfan, it's been reported that they've thought about moving the 4 for Love. It gives them a cheap star that they control for 3 years.

21 Jun 2017 08:27:30
Cheap is right, Love isn't what he used to be! Everyone talks about Bledsoe being injury prone, why not bring up the fact that Love is injury prone, Suns dnt need that and I hope they're not wanting to trade for him!

20 Jun 2017 15:04:10
Knicks trade
8th pick (LA)
Lakers trade
D'Angelo Russell (NY) 28th (POR)
Portland trades
15 (NY) Mo Harkless (NY)
Portland dumps cap
LA gets top 12 pick
NY gets better prospects.

20 Jun 2017 15:24:52
Knicks also want to get another 1st pick, why would they trade theirs? Plus Portland isn't necessarily interested in "dumping" Harkless for a 4th 1st round pick.

20 Jun 2017 17:20:08
They would trade theirs because they're getting two good young players back in return for moving back 7 spots. They'll be getting the PG they want in Russell, while bringing in a scoring SF and will still be able to draft a player at 15. They could possibly use that on Kennard or one of the many big men who will be available around then. Or they could decide to trade back, or use it to get rid of Noah.

20 Jun 2017 07:20:30
Detroit get Reddick (s&t) Crabbe
Clippers get Melo
Knicks get Turner Harkless Jackson Harris 15th 20
Blazers get Crawford Rivers Thomas Noah 8th 44th

Ish
Reddick
Crabbe
Morris
Drummond

Jackson/Ntilikini-8th/Simmons-58
Turner/Mitchell-15th/Randle
Harkless/Kuzminkas
Porzingis/Henson
Hernangomez/Plumlee

19 Jun 2017 19:23:56
Portland trail Blazers and Pacers

Portland gets/Pacers give
- Paul George

Portland gives/Pacers get
-26th
20th
-Myers Lenard
-Allen Crabbe

No one knows how much a one year Paul George rental is actually worth yet, but if its on the lower side(i.e. not Kevin love level) this could work out for both teams. Pacers get some younger players plus 2 first to start a rebuild. Blazers get an all-star that could help them try to win now, but at worst it is a salary dump if George leaves.

19 Jun 2017 21:03:42
this only works if you think Portland is close to contending and George get's them to the finals in his one year there. They are much further away than that. Thus, you are simply paying 2 1sts for a one year delayed salary dump (and delayed build out) and maybe a move from 8th seed to 4th seed in next year's playoffs and second round exit. Crabbe still has upside value so dumping him and the picks for absolutely zero one year from now is the antithesis of building a winning team.

19 Jun 2017 21:21:11
I think this sort of move would make sense for Blazers since since that offer is close to what it would take to just get rid of those bad contracts. However, I think Pacers will be able to do better.

20 Jun 2017 17:19:56
I agree they can probably get a better trade, but this should be a crazy week so I wouldn't rule it out!

20 Jun 2017 20:26:34
only if you replace Crabbe for Turner in the deal. Crabbe still has upside value and has some demand. Trade him for future assets.

19 Jun 2017 08:43:55
IND - POR

Pacers get:
Crabbe
2017 pick #20
2017 pick #26
Future 2nd Rd pick

Blazers get:
George

Fills Indiana's request for multiple picks and a starter, the money works, and, if/when PG bolts to LA next off season, relieves Portlands current cap issue. If he decides he wants to stay, then they can cross that bridge when they get to it.

19 Jun 2017 10:08:36
I have to disagree with you on this one 2Scoops. We both know there is less than zero chance George resigns with POR. So why do a one year rental? Yes, he would come of the books next year, but without impacting the Blazers two lowest value contracts: Turner and Leonard. Crabbe's contract sure isn't good, but he still has big upside. If the Blazers were close to contending t (trhey might consider a one year rental, but they have some building to do. Thus, your suggestion is to delay for one year the cap relief represented by Crabbe's contract (in the form of George) and give up two 1sts and a second to do so. So the one year rental might move us up from 8th seed to 4th seed and a second round exit, and therefore worse draft positioning next year when George heads to LA.

19 Jun 2017 10:08:36
I think Pacers would want all 3 Blazers first rounders.

19 Jun 2017 11:30:58
Considering it would probably take the #26 or #20 alone to get rid of Crabbe's contract I like this move by Blazers. Its a gamble I think is worthwhile since with Lillard and McCollum and George they'd have star and firepower to compete with anybody in the league. Nurkic is a capable center and versatile guys like Harkless and Aminu on the wings would give them versatility to match up with even the Warriors (although Lillard and McCollum would get burned in backcourt) with some slight tweaking in FA. They could still use #15 to try and shed Turner's contract.

It is two first rounders for the Pacers to combine with their own and Crabbe who is overpaid but is young and a solid player that Pacers could use. Not a bad return for Pacers and if its pick they are looking I can't see any good team able to give more (I assume only good teams would be willing to take a 1 year rental of George not bad teams like the Kings who even with him would probably not make playoffs) .

18 Jun 2017 22:43:55
George has reportedly told Indiana that he has no plans on resigning and prefers to sign with the Lakers.

Portland is looking to shed salary and is reported willing to include draft picks to do so.

I think there is a trade to be made here. Portland adding George would give them a deadly trio with Lillard and McCullum. It's a risk, but Portland would be a contender sooner than the Lakers.

Indiana would have to take on a bad contract or 2, but getting a couple of 1st rould picks would help out. Gives them flexibility to move up if they wanted to.

19 Jun 2017 05:09:16
zero chance, less than zero, George would re-sign next year with Blazers. If Portland was contending, or damn close, then a one year rental might be considered. But they are not close this next season and need to keep building. Winning free-agents sign in Portland about once every 17 years. They must try to build via draft and trades fore good, lengthy contracts.

18 Jun 2017 20:01:34
1: 76ers/ Portland

Anderson+ #39+ 2018 and 2019 Phi 2nd Rd for #20

2. Phi/Nets

Henderson+ Splitter #46+#50+Nets 2018 2nd Rd+ OKC 2020 1st for #27


3: 76ers-Chi

Trade Okafor + #27+ 3 Knicks 2nd Rd Picks 2018 - 2021 for #16

Thoughts about each trade?

18 Jun 2017 20:13:01
Portland can't take Anderson on without giving someone up. I'd counter with:

POR: #39, 2 future 2nd Rd Picks

PHI: Leonard, #26.

18 Jun 2017 21:55:47
2scoops: i nk the sixers would take leonard if you itched the 27 and the 20 pick. Done deal.

18 Jun 2017 22:04:34
2Scoops - yes. Finally, someone who gets it.

18 Jun 2017 23:18:43
I don't think Portland would be interested in trading their picks unless they are moving one of their bad contracts (Turner, Leonard or Crabbe; I don't include Harkless on purpose since his contract isn't bad given his age and production) . #20 is a little rich for that return too so they'd have to take Crabbe's contract for me to do that or if it was lowered to #26 Leonard. Crabbe wouldn't be a bad fit with 76ers since he is young and a knockdown 3pt shooter and they have plenty of cap space for his contract over next 2+1 years.

Aren't Henderson (team option) and Splitter both FA? Don't think Nets would be interested in them or ridding themselves of one of their few 1st rounders. If anything Nets do a deal to absorb Portland's bad contracts to get more firsts.

3rd trade is reasonable although its based upon the 2nd trade which I don't think is.

19 Jun 2017 03:11:55
I don't see the Nets giving up the #27 pick and taking on salary if they're not getting a better 2017 first back.

18 Jun 2017 17:09:48
Pacers Offseason:

Trade 18 to Portland for 20 and 26
Trade 20 to Pistons for Marcus Morris
Trade 26 and Ellis to Nuggets for Will Barton
Trade 47 and Jefferson to Brooklyn for 2018 2nd rounder
Resign Teague 3y54m
Resign Miles 2y24m
Sign Rudy Gay 2y24m
Sign Willie Reed 2y12m
Sign Dedmon 3y33m

Teague/Stephenson
Gay/Barton/Robinson III
George/Miles/Robinson III
Young/Morris/Reed
Turner/Dedmon/Seraphin

Thoughts?

18 Jun 2017 18:42:04
Those are all pretty one sided favoring the Pistons.

18 Jun 2017 18:59:01
Pacers*.

19 Jun 2017 01:27:32
Nuggets whould never do that (moneywise)! The other trades are pretty solid though!

19 Jun 2017 21:24:33
So the Pistons take Ellis, #20, and #26 and turn them into Morris and Barton? Why wouldn't Portland just do these deals with one of their guys instead of Ellis?

18 Jun 2017 14:53:56
Three team trade

Philadelphia gets pick 7 and Allen Crabbe
Portland gets couple 2nd round picks
Minnesota gets Robert Covington, TLC, and pick 15

Philadelphia can take salary, so they get a good 3 point shooter in Crabbe while also getting another top 10 pick

Portland sheds a big contract

Minnesota gets a stretch 4 they need, plus a young wing and a mid 1st round pick.

18 Jun 2017 15:39:52
How about this
76ers get 3 1st rnd picks and crabbe
Blazers get bayless, covington, mcconnell &4 2nd pick.

18 Jun 2017 15:48:00
Why would Minny do this?

Not even sure Portland would do this.
Crabbe is a good shooter and his contract isn't that huge anymore. And Portland could draft Giles or Leaf with the 15 pick.

16 Jun 2017 17:36:40
MIN - LAL
Wolves send 7th pick
Lakers send 2nd and Luol deng
Thibs gets a former veteran
Lakers clear space

POR - LAL
Blazers send 15th and 26th , Harkless
Lakers send 7th , 28th

LAL - SAS
Lakers send 15th , Randle , Clarkson , Brewer
Spurs send Aldridge and Green
Thoughts ?

16 Jun 2017 18:15:20
Don't like it, Aldridge couldn't get it done when he was the man in POR putting up big numbers and all but disappeared when put on a great team alongside a great player. He just takes up cap space for the Lakers they can use in 2018 on P George and/ or Boogie Cousins.

16 Jun 2017 15:55:13
Philly gets the 5th and 15th

Sacramento gets 3rd, 20th, and the 26th

Portland gets gets the 10th and a philly 2nd

16 Jun 2017 16:32:25
I like this one for philly they can draft Fox, Tatum or Isaac and Justin Jackson


I wouldn't do this if i where Sacramento. Not in this draft
They could go for Fox and Markannen or Isaac and Ntilikina

Why would Portland want the 10th pick?
They can draft Giles or Leaf with the 15th pick, And i would use the other picks in a trade with Turner or Crabbe.

16 Jun 2017 17:05:01
I agree that Sacramento shouldn't trade either picks l, but they seem dead set on moving up to get Fox even though he most likely falls to them at 5.
I agree with your point on Portland though. Maybe switching the Philly 2nd to Sac and add a future Portland 2nd to Sac and Turner.

Portland gets the 10th

Philly gets the 5th and 15th

Sac gets the 3rd, 20th, 26th, Philly 2nd, future Por 2nd, and Turner.

16 Jun 2017 18:26:14
It's sacramento so they could do this :-)

But i would gamble to get Fox with the 5 pick, if not Smith or Ntilikina will be available with the 10 pick.

16 Jun 2017 23:51:21
@Gasupo

Why would Portland land take either Leaf or Giles?

Leaf plays no defense and I'm pretty sure the Blazers don't want to draft yet another big with knee issues.

Pretty sure Portland wants John Collins.

Regardless, I agree with the rest of your statement.

17 Jun 2017 18:24:10
@Gasupo

While I agree with you that Portland doesn't need the tenth pick, I don't think they're targeting Leaf or Giles. They need defense in the front court, which is Leaf's biggest weakness. And with Giles, I don't think the organization can risk a pick on yet another big with a history of knee issues.

I believe Portland has John Collins and Jordan Bell on their draft board.

16 Jun 2017 14:42:18
Nets Get: Ryan Anderson, 43rd pick, 45th pick

Rockets Get: Pacers 2018 2nd


Houston need to clear significant cap space if they're serious about entering the Chris Paul sweepstakes. Brooklyn might be able to acquire richer compensation from other teams that are looking to offload ugly contracts (Portland at 26, Phoenix at 32), but Anderson possesses legitimate value as an elite stretch four and Brooklyn would be able to flip him for another pick. Also, the Pacers 2nd is protected from 45-60 from 2018 to 2022, eventually becoming unprotected in 2023, so Brooklyn shouldn't be unwilling to give it up.

16 Jun 2017 14:52:13
I'm not too sure what his contract looks like, but if it's not too bad years-wise I would think the Sixers would trade a 2nd rounder or 2 for him.

16 Jun 2017 15:23:44
i like the idea of clearing the cap space and everything but why i don't think they should go after cp3 because harden is way better when he has the ball most of the tome as we saw this year. cp3 and him would take away from each others producton. i say look to sign a big or trade their assets for an all star that compliments harden.

16 Jun 2017 08:49:42
Cleveland: C Anthony+ Harkless+ 1rnd pick 15 (draft Leaf or Giles)

Knicks:Y Lin+ Frye+ Booker

Portland: K Love

Nets: Turner (Or Crabbe)+ J Noah+ 1rnd pick 20 and 26+ Knicks 2018 1st round pick (top 10 protected in 2018, top 3 in 2019)


c anthony can replace Love's shooting, Harkless can defend wings and Cleveland receive a young asset.

The Knicks can hit the free agent market in 2018 and keep this years draft pick.

Portland receive a third star. And Love can be more important in Portland than in Cleveland.

And the Nets receive draft picks, so they can start a rebuilt.

16 Jun 2017 09:26:29
Not a bad return for Cavs. It's alright for Knicks although not sure how intriguing they would be to top-level FA with only Porzingis so I'd probably hold on to Noah and the pick for now and move them later if need be. Love is from Portland and they need a pf but even more important to them is cap space with them set to be in luxury for next 3 years. I don't think Love would be any better than in Cleveland since they have two high-use scorers in Lillard and McCollum so Love would be 3rd wheel again. Portland would be better off just using picks to clear cap space since Nurkic will need an extension soon. Nets get some draft picks which helps and maybe they can package some to move up and get a prospect with more upside. That Knicks pick could end up being quite valuable since unless Knicks strike gold in FA they don't appear to get good anytime soon.

16 Jun 2017 07:53:32
Blazers - Knicks

Blazers gets:
8th pick

Knicks gets:
Harkless
15th pick
20th pick
26th pick
Future 2nd

Knicks move down and get 3 rookies to rebuild with, while Portland moves up and save money by doing so.

16 Jun 2017 09:34:27
I think trading down only makes sense if the Knicks plan on keeping Melo and making other win-now moves like dealing for Bledsoe or Rubio. If that's the case I could see this happening. Otherwise this is a star driven league and Knicks would be better off getting a point guard like Smith or Ntilikina who have high upsides and could create a pairing with Porzingis that they could build around.

For Portland I'm not certain its the wisest move. Although value-wise its good and adding a guy like Markkanen would be great for them they have bigger issues with them currently slated to pay luxury for at least next 3 years. A more effective use of those picks from a financial perspective would be to use them to dump the bad contracts like Turner, Leonard and Crabbe (Harkless' contract relatively is a lot better than all theirs and overall not bad given his age and level of contribution) .

16 Jun 2017 11:12:52
Not sure this is a good trade for Portland.
Harkless is on a good contract and the best prospects available are Ntilikina, Smith and Monk. Portland doesn't need guards, but they can use another big, so they could draft Markanen.
I believe Portland better draft Leaf or Giles with the 15th pick and use the other two picks for unloading Turner or Crabbe's contract.

16 Jun 2017 18:13:03
Knicks are not trading down. Knicks want Guard @8. Will not be there later. Melo for 1st rounder or trade assets other than #8 for PG. That's all the Knicks want to do.

16 Jun 2017 01:19:42
3 team trade. Unlikely but sort of reasonable.

Cleveland/indiana/portland

Cleveland trades: kevin love, future 1st round pick.
Cleveland recieves: paul george

Indiana trades: paul george
Indiana recieves: allen crabbe, moe harkless, future 1st from cleveland, portlands 3 2017 1st round picks.

Portland trades: allen crabbe, moe harkless, 3 2017 first round picks.
Portland recieves: kevin love.


One could argue portland could just go after pg13 alone but itd be highly unlikely that he'd resign.Also i think itd be more of a feel good story for kevin love returning home to portland.

Share your thoughts. Just an idea guys, save the hate.

16 Jun 2017 02:45:10
Portland does save 6+ million but they are still way over the threshold. Shedding Crabbe and Harkless are a good start but keep going down the line. The P Allen needs to have a fire sale, and start over. It will set him back a few years but it will pay off quicker than the direction he is going now. He's the 2nd richest owner so cut his loses and take the other road at the Y.

Try to keep Nurkic and Vonleh to build around and let everyone else go if he can. Flip those 3 #1's into 1 pick or cheap young good player. He needs a better player evaluator .

First call should be to Boston and see if they'll trade IT for Lillard.

16 Jun 2017 04:09:49
No hate here, but knowledgeable and realistic. Even though Crabbe's contract is relatively poor value, he still has upside. Harkless at 24 years old and with a moderate salary has very solid value. Those two alone are worth Kevin Love or Cleveland fans wouldn't be in such a hurry to dump him. But the key here is Portland has no interest in Kevin Love.

16 Jun 2017 05:23:50
Portland's salary is $141,613,267. Even with team options, non guaranteed contracts they are still over the threshold for the next 3 years. Your absolutely right, they have no interest in Love. They need to trade 3 yr contracts and a 1st rd. pick into 1 yr contracts. To include Lillard and McCollum.

16 Jun 2017 07:53:44
Although Portland could use a pf upgrade they cannot afford Love and I think he'd be an awful fit since he'd once again be the #3 offensive option like he was in Cleveland. Only way they should potentially add him is if McCollum was included or moved for cheaper players in another deal. Portland would be better off just trying to clear cap space with their picks. I don't think Portland should completely blow things up (keep core of Lillard, McCollum and Nurkic) since they are relatively young and a solid team that should get better.

billij I don't see how Lillard for IT would help Portland at all. Lillard is arguably as good as IT, slightly younger and signed long term. IT would be cheaper for one year but after his UFA next summer he'd likely be make much more than Lillard and on a longer deal that would go deeper into his 30s.

16 Jun 2017 16:47:18
$$ (flexibility) . IT for Lillard just to get money off the books, then let IT walk . That's how money gets off books. Same with McCollum. Blazers are in cap trouble for 3 more years and I just don't think they can go anywhere in the playoffs the way they are now,41-41 with a 140 million salary is a BIG RED FLAG! so start over with Nurkic and Vonleh. and build through the draft and develop these picks. That cap problem is not going away unless you dump salary, plain and simple, black and white.

This CBA put teams in financial problems because they had money to spend and some teams spent it poorly. Like Portland.

Salary dump is best route for Portland for flexibility. They don't get a MLE or bi-annual exception to sign a FA. But do get a 5.3 Taxpayers MLE to sign a FA or 2nd rd. draft picks up to 3 yrs.

Sign minimum salary contracts. Fans will hate this but team has very little choices.

16 Jun 2017 23:53:38
@billj

You are insane if you think Portland is going to trade either Lillard or McCollum. I agree that they have cap issue, but offloading those two in a dump is a good way to get fired as a GM.

17 Jun 2017 18:38:27
@billj

I'm glad you're not Portland's GM.

No way on Earth do they consider blowing it up by trading Lillard or McCollum just to dump salary.

They need cap relief, true, but they can get that by shedding Leonard, Turner, and Crabbe plus a couple 1st rounders.

 
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