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16 Oct 2018 00:17:04
Magic Trade Jerian Grant 2019 second round pick unprotected Melvin Frazier

Dallas Trade Jalen Brunson Kostas Antetokounmpo

Magic needs Small Forward & Point Guard

Dallas doesn't need Small Forward & Point Guard

These players hadn't played in preseason games

Magic can Develop these players to be good players

Like Bucks develop Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2013 looks how he is now & Like Spurs develop Kawhi Leonard looks how he is now

16 Oct 2018 03:54:12
Maybe you don't think the mavs need these guys but I assure you the mavs very much want Jalen Brunson, and Kostas Antetokounmpo. Could be a wee bit better than the older Thanasis who didn't hold so well in the nba. No a caboclo just yet! So no to the magic from mavs.

16 Oct 2018 23:31:39
Very nice. A garbage player and an UNPROTECTED second rounder for a second round and first round pick from the draft that just happened. Makes sense.

10 Oct 2018 22:58:28
3 Team Deals Magic/Spurs/Wolves

Magic Trade Aaron Gordon Jerian Grant

Wolves Trade Jimmy Butler Tyus Jones

Spurs Trade Demar DeRorzan 2019 first round pick Toronto

Spurs get Jimmy Butler Jerian Grant

Wolves get Aaron Gordon 2019 first round pick (protected) Toronto

Magic get Demar DeRorzan Tyus Jones

11 Oct 2018 00:09:45
Spurs, Wolves, and Magic all say No!

11 Oct 2018 00:49:47
Spurs not trading their star who is proven to be loyal on where he plays.

11 Oct 2018 11:50:35
I love it for magic.

10 Oct 2018 14:31:24

SAS- rubio/ lance/ korver
CLE- mills/ burks/ forbes/ pondexter/ 2rd from sas and utah
UTH- hill/ betrans.

10 Oct 2018 15:56:00
I don’t see why Utah does this. They just end up with an older and at this point, probably worse pg.

The Cavs would really have to like Forbes to do this. They could easily turn Korver into a 2nd and probably do it with another teams trade except or an expiring, Hill could be used as a big expiring to get assets, Burks is basically done, and Mills is an overpaid back up point with 3 years left.

10 Oct 2018 20:15:39
Wasnt hill on jazz and they let him go like 2 years ago?

11 Oct 2018 00:51:12
Yes he was. He went to Sacramento and they paid him 20 mil a season. That went well.

10 Oct 2018 00:44:52
Spurs Trade Rudy Gay 2019 first round pick protected TOR

Boston Trade Terry Rozier III Marcus Morris

Boston get Solid Small Forward & Pick

Spurs get Point Guard & Small Forward

Rudy Gay 1 yrs 10 millions contract

Marcus Morris 1 yrs 5 millions contract

Terry Rozier III 1 yrs 3 millions contract

Both teams get a one year rental

10 Oct 2018 04:46:28
Horrible for Boston. And why would they want a "solid" SF when they have 3 of that already.

10 Oct 2018 05:52:04
Only way Ainge does that is if there's a gun to his head.

Boston is trying to extend Terry. Which makes me believe that if extended there is a trade on the horizon, whether it's Rozier or Smart or someone else.

10 Oct 2018 08:47:06
Spurs needed a point guard.

10 Oct 2018 12:24:10
No chance Rozier is a Ainge and fan favourite he worth a lot more than that package.

10 Oct 2018 14:41:32
Gay cannot be traded until Dec. 15. Zero chance Boston does this deal anyway.

10 Oct 2018 17:57:39
i just like the thinking that the spurs need a pg. so the celtics just give them one. because that's clearly Ainge's MO. sheesh.

08 Oct 2018 21:04:01
Spurs Trade Patty Mills 2019 first round pick Protected TOR

Miami Trade Tyler Johnson Justise Winslow

08 Oct 2018 22:12:25
Trade doesn't work because of salaries. Although Spurs would love to get their hands on Justise Winslow, they can't trade Mills now, because of Murray injury. Mills is now their starting PG.

09 Oct 2018 01:28:45
Ohhh can they get Josh Richemond as Point Guard.

09 Oct 2018 19:08:04
TJ can play the point, but Miami is not moving Winslow to move a bad salary for a bit less bad salary and a first in the 25-30 range.

08 Oct 2018 04:37:59
Magic Trade Timofey Mozgov Johnathan Issac Terrance Ross

Spurs Trade Pau Gasol Lonnie Walker IV 2019 first round pick (protected) TOR

Magic get Veteran Center & Young Prospect & Pick

Spurs get Veteran Rim Protecter Center & Young Prospect & Manu Ginobill Replacement Young Player

08 Oct 2018 13:19:36
Just to be clear. Spurs take on the worthless Timofey. He has negative value as he is unplayable. They get Ross who is worthless. And issac who looks more and more like a bust.

All they give up is a solid veteran, this years 1st, and next years first.

Are you kidding?

08 Oct 2018 16:12:03
Agree with notdrainer. Spurs not in the market for worthless bad salaries like Mozgov. Leave him to the pretenders.

05 Oct 2018 02:14:24
T-Wolves - Heat - Spurs - Suns

trade: Jimmy Butler
Receive: James Johnson, Justise Winslow, 2019 Heat 1st, 2019 Raptors 1st (from Spurs).

trade: Hassan Whiteside, James Johnson, Justise Winslow, 2019 1st.
Receive: Jimmy Butler, Pau Gasol, Durell Arthur

Trade: Pau Gasol, Patty Mills, 2019 Toronto 1st.
Receive: Hassan Whiteside, Dragan Bender

Trade: Durell Arthur, Dragan Bender.
Receive: Patty Mills.

05 Oct 2018 12:31:26
Not a chance Minnesota takes back James Johnson's albatross of a contract.

Only one way for Miami to get Butler. No Richardson, no Butler.

05 Oct 2018 15:30:21
Minnesota has less leverage every day. Johnson is not an albatross. He is overpaid, but he can play. They get Winslow and 2 1st picks. May be the best offer they can get.

05 Oct 2018 16:00:29
James Johnson is solid. T. Johnson has the bad contract. I think James has really good value if you need a PF.

05 Oct 2018 16:15:04
James Johnson is signed for the same amount of years at Dieng for nearly as much money, is 3 or 4 years older, and can't shoot from 3. How does he help Minnesota?

05 Oct 2018 18:13:34
That is going way overboard! Dieng is going to cost to move. J. Johnson could be moved without costing anything. They are 2 different players, and the wolves would be far better off with Johnson than Dieng. I thought you were a wolves homer? Johnson defends the perimeter and the paint, Dieng barely gets up and down the floor.

04 Oct 2018 19:35:00

Spurs send - Walker Gay Bertans

T-Wolves send- Butler Jones

Spurs get another star to pair with Derozan and Aldridge and get a good role player in Jones

T-Wolves turn 1 year of Butler into a good prospect, good starter, and solid role player

04 Oct 2018 19:44:23
Raptors pick or Spurs pick will need to be included to be considered, and I still think this package doesn’t move the needle for Minny. Gay just doesn’t have much value.

04 Oct 2018 20:21:12
I think Murray or Poeltl would have to be involved if SA wanted to land Butler.

04 Oct 2018 21:17:36
I have the opposite view. Gay has lots of value. Walker has lots of potential, and Bertans is a good role player. I don't think the Spurs would agree to this deal.

Butler is a head case. Spurs just got rid on one.

04 Oct 2018 21:56:51
Every team Gay leaves gets better.

04 Oct 2018 23:00:50
You're right Shiller41. The Grizzlies and Kings will be in the Western finals this year.

05 Oct 2018 00:59:35
Walker, gay, Bertans would only be a steal for the wolves if butler leaves the spurs next summer. (which I think he would) Then its a bad deal for the spurs. Unbelievable.

05 Oct 2018 13:40:22
Warlock r as ptors, grizzlies and kings all improved after gay left. I'm sorry facts hurt you.

05 Oct 2018 15:43:01
Have you seen Gay play with the Spurs? He is the third best player on the team. Against backup SF/ PF he is nearly unguardable. Unfortunately, he has to start. If the Spurs could somehow get an affordable starting SF, they would be much improved. (ie. Josh Jackson, TJ Warren, Justise winslow, Josh Richardson) . Spurs not trading Rudy Gay.

05 Oct 2018 15:47:57
How is Butler a headcase? Because he wants out of a mediocre situation? It's not like he's caused issues on the court or gotten arrested. He's a great player that doesn't want to be stuck with someone he hates and doesn't professionally respect (Wiggins) . That makes sense to me.

05 Oct 2018 17:23:11
Butler has a contract for $20mm. Demanding a trade right before the season starts and refusing to show up to honor his contract is not the act of a reliable/ loyal employee, no matter what he thinks of Wiggins/ Towns. Headcase is a kind description of his behavior.

He is not worth a max deal anyway. Spurs can't afford to keep him.

05 Oct 2018 18:54:11
Warlock these guys have media, friends, family, agents, coach, team all looking to get a piece of them in many instances. These are not typical 9-5, punch the clock persons. Placing the sane job expectations on a janitor and Jimmy butler undersells the dynamics of the butler/ wolves separation. Also since he has a contract he is more like a business owner contracting his services as opposed to a subordinate reporting to his boss.

05 Oct 2018 22:29:51
Btec I agree that it is ridiculous to compare Jimmy Butler to a laborer. He has a contract for his labor in large part because of the amount of money involved. It is substantial. These teams have shareholders, sponsors, TV networks, leaseholders, tickholders, and most of all FANS! who they have to answer to. They expect a level of professionalism and loyalty for the millions of dollars that they pay to watch these entertainers. Butler's actions are a slap in the face to each and every one of the people he has promised to perform on his contract.

I am no longer a Jimmy Butler fan. Minnesota can't get rid of him fast enough. I would never want this guy on my team.

06 Oct 2018 16:40:23
So far butler hasn't done any of the things you describe. He had a surgery, and the team has excused him and is not fining him up to this point. Later is another story but the fine for sitting out is much larger in the regular season and wojnarowski said butler and his camp haven't threatened sitting out.

28 Sep 2018 01:12:35
Spurs Trade Lonnie Walker IV Pau Gasol first round pick (TOR) protected
Wolves Trade Jimmy Butler

Pau Gasol 1+1 yrs player option 16 millions

Loonie Walker 4 yrs 2 millions

Wolves Lose - 4 games

Spurs Wins +5 games

28 Sep 2018 20:05:47
Best trade idea today. Still don't think the Wolves would do this deal, but closer getting closer.

29 Sep 2018 01:56:54
Wolves can decline Gasol player option in offseason

Lonnie Walker IV can develops become All Star or Superstar player.

28 Sep 2018 01:09:40
T-Wolves, Heat, Spurs, Suns

T-Wolves get: Josh Richardson (SF), Dion Waiters(SG), 2019 1st round from Heat and Pau Gasol (PF/C) from Spurs.

Heat get: Jimmy Butler(SG), Gorgiu Dieng(C) from T-Wolves and Tyson Chandler(C) from Suns.

Spurs get: Hasan Whiteside(C) from Heat and Josh Jackson(SF) from Suns.

Suns Get: Patty Mills(PG), Toronto 2019 1st round from Spurs and Tyus Jones(PG) from T-Wolves.

28 Sep 2018 18:54:50
asking the suns to trade jackson for that return kills this one.

28 Sep 2018 20:14:46
Yea, I see your point, however, it does give Phoenix two PG options, a veteran and youngster, and a 1st round pick. They also have a logjam at Forward positions.

Depends on how bad Phoenix wants a reliable PG.

Swapping other Suns players for Jackson makes salaries difficult to work.

27 Sep 2018 02:17:04

MIA get Jimmy Butler & Gorgui Dieng

MIN get Josh Richardson, Dion Waiters, Pau Gasol (exp), 2nd round pick SAS & 1st round pick MIA

SAS get Hassan Whiteside

27 Sep 2018 17:18:09
pop’s system could be the saving grace for whiteside. if spurs want him they can have him lol.

27 Sep 2018 19:00:06
I agree that Whiteside to the Spurs is a great idea. He would thrive there. With that said, this trade has some problems.

1. Trade doesn't work with salaries. Spurs take back too much for what they are giving.

2. Very heavy price for Miami to pay for Butler and the negative deal with Dieng.

I suggest the following changes to make this deal work and be more equitable. It also involves bringing in Phoenix as a fourth team.

MIA get Jimmy Butler and Gorgui Dieng.

MIN get Justise Winslow Dion Waiters, Pau Gasol (exp), Troy Daniels, 2nd round pick SAS, 1st round pick MIA

SAS get Hasan Whiteside, Dragen Bender

PHO get Patty Mills.

15 Sep 2018 23:47:41
Heat - Spurs

Heat trade: Whiteside, Richardson

Spurs Trade: Gasol, Mills, Toronto 20191st.

Richardson is the best player in the deal, therefore, the Toronto pick. Heat get rid of Whiteside and his contract and save $15mm in salary and luxury tax payments. They have a decent replacement for Richardson in Winslow.

Spurs get Richardson. I assume that they are one of the teams who tried to trade for him this summer, because he would be a perfect fit and would start at SF.

16 Sep 2018 02:36:32
Richardson is horribly over paid and entirely average. Whiteside is terrible.

Yet heat get an expiring contract a solid pg and a first?


16 Sep 2018 05:43:19
Richardson is the best contract on the Heat team. Spurs would love to get their hands on him. Maybe Mills and 1st for Richardson. I doubt Heat would agree.

16 Sep 2018 09:56:47
Gasol is 38 and Mills is avg. Above avg. At worst whiteside is still better gasol at age. Richardson is equal to better than Bazemore Hardaway Turner making 7 mil less. Heat should say no with pick.

16 Sep 2018 14:54:55
Richardson is on a friendly contrac what are you talking about to see him play.

16 Sep 2018 15:05:53
White side as a horrific contract. Simple as that.

And claiming Richardson is great? I just looked at his on/ off stats. He literally makes no difference offensively or defensively when he is on or off the court. To say he makes less than some awful contract as if that’s a redeeming factor is hysterical.

He isn’t bad. He isn’t good. He’s a perfectly average role player. Point to something that says differently. Clearly not enough to offer a first and take white sides awful awful contract.

16 Sep 2018 15:16:29
No doubt Spurs would be better with this deal. Although ESPN recently rated Gasol in top 100 and Whiteside was not present. I agree Whiteside is better than Gasol.

Heat decision might hinge on cap savings and how much value they place on a reliable backup PG. This deal would save Heat $15mm in 2019 and much more in 2020. Gasol is only guaranteed $7mm in 2020. Waiving him could free up a ton more money. They might even have enough cap space to bid on a quality free agent. If they do nothing they will be stuck in luxury tax for next two years with the same team. They might even lose Dragic.

I think the Heat think hard about this deal. The Toronto pick might just be enough to make them say yes. Spurs could even add a 2nd round pick in 2021 to sweeten the deal.

16 Sep 2018 15:24:18
Notdrainer is horribly wrong about Richardson. Heat likely will only have Whiteside another two years. They have already moved on from him. They may consider Gasol better than Whiteside since he can play both big positions and won't complain about minutes. He would be a valuable mentor and to Adabayo and allow Heat to play him more minutes.

17 Sep 2018 04:14:51
I read where teams where offering a first for Richardson.

17 Sep 2018 16:06:39
If a deal isn't made, it is merely rumors.

Whiteside is one of the least moveable contracts in the league. he's paid a ton, he is a total headcase, and his production on both ends of the court since signing the big contract has resulted in major declines. Last year, he actually was a negative on both sides of the ball.

And what was the level of the 1st rounder? there's a big difference between the 26th pick and the 8th pick. i'm seriously trying to find out how you think he is a great player. Outperforming a second round draft status does not equate to great. I asked for some type of quantifiable metrics to show his value. Your argument that he is great because at least one team offered a first rounder for him, which entirely could have been the 28th pick or later? Cool.

17 Sep 2018 21:01:03
OK notdrainer. It's true the first rounder offered for Richardson could have been from anyone. The Heat rightfully rejected the offer.

Heat believe that he was snubbed for all defensive team last year. They may be biased, but all sportswriters agree that he is an elite defensive wing who is getting better every year.

He has improved all three years he has been in the league. Pts. 6.6, 10.2, 12.9. Reb. 2.1, 3.2, 3.5. Total 3pt. 53, 75, 127 shooting 38% from 3. Steals 36, 60, 121. Blks. 25, 39, 75.

Last year he started all 81 games he played for a deep playoff team. He was a second round pick in 2015 (40th) and has beaten out their first pick in 2015 (10th) Justise Winslow.

This guy if placed on the Spurs with their coaching would continue to improve. He has as good a chance as anybody his age of becoming an all-star. I would take him over Brandon Ingram, Wiggins, T. J. Warren, Randle, Bazemore, Hardaway, Jabari Parker. Pretty much any young wing except Middleton.

17 Sep 2018 21:02:36
Now let's discuss Whiteside. He signed his contract before the 2016-17 season after leading the league in blocks the year before. In 2016-17 his blocks went down, but scoring was up and rebounding way up. He led the league in rebounding in 2016-17. His numbers were down across the board in 2017-18, but he was hampered by multiple injuries and Spolestra's desire to play Adabayo. He still averaged 14 pts., 11.4 rbs., and 2.4 blks. per game. Nearly as good as Kevin Love. He played with Spurs coach Messina this summer and he had great things to say about him. I believe he would thrive with the Spurs and Aldridge. Adding Whiteside and Richardson to the Spurs starting lineup would greatly improve an already good defensive team.

Spurs would be scary good!

15 Sep 2018 15:52:16

CLE get Mills & TOR 1st from SAS

SAS get Vucevic

ORL get G.Hill

I believe Spurs could do this because they need depth at center position. ORL could prefer Hill over Mills but if not CLE could be removed from the deal.

15 Sep 2018 16:06:13
No chance Hill is worth a player and pick.

15 Sep 2018 16:24:58
Shiller, doe Mills have any value at all? I don’t think many teams would want 3 years of a back up pg for 10 million a year.

15 Sep 2018 21:50:55
Rkeene- so sputlrs eat it. Just because your team needs an upgrade doesn't mean it will or has to happen.

15 Sep 2018 23:07:16
While Mills' salary is a bit too much, he is a top 5 backup PG. He can play both guard positions, has started before with mixed results, is durable, a great shooter, and a great teammate.

Mills is similar to Hill, but is more durable. I don't think he would be an upgrade for Cavs, but they would do the deal because of the Toronto pick.

Spurs need an upgrade at Center. Spurs have two good young guys who could step up and take Mills' minutes without much loss.

Orlando has been trying to find a way to get rid of Vucevic for years. I don't know why, but Hill would be a good trade for them.

15 Sep 2018 23:53:42
Mills is a top 5 backup PG. He can start if needed, he has done it before. Mills is an excellent shooter and sneaky good defender. He is a veteran who can play both guard positions, and is a great teammate. His salary is too high for a team with a good/ great PG. But on a team with an average or below PG, he is worth the price.

16 Sep 2018 00:33:44
I’m not saying it will happen or should, but it’s not ridiculous to think that the Spurs would give up a first to get rid of Mills’s deal and get a solid player. If anyone is getting a the short end of the stick, it’s Orlando.

14 Sep 2018 01:29:33
Spurs - Suns Trade

Spurs get: T.J. Warren

Suns get: Patty Mills, Toronto's 2019 1st.

12 Sep 2018 00:10:20
Spurs - Suns - Heat

Spurs get: Josh Richardson

Suns Get: Goran Dragic

Heat Get: Patty Mills, T.J. Warren, Troy Daniels, '19 Toronto 1st from Spurs. '19 2nd from Suns.

12 Sep 2018 13:16:40
Heat get way too much back.

12 Sep 2018 15:17:01
Seriously, I was contemplating making Suns give their Milwaukee 1st round pick to Miami because I felt Heat were not getting enough back for Dragic and Richardson.

12 Sep 2018 17:04:44
I think the first and second are coming from the wrong teams. The Spurs send a second, and Phoenix sends the Bucks first makes more sense to me.

12 Sep 2018 20:26:43
Spurs are giving Mills for Richardson.
Richardson would be perfect for the Spurs.
Toronto 1st. Is appropriate.

13 Sep 2018 17:37:42
Richardson is a good player getting better. He worth more then mills.

10 Sep 2018 22:44:34
4-Team Trade.
*Suns get: PG Patty Mills, PG Jawun Evans, 2021 2nd (from LAC)
*Clippers get: C/PF Pau Gasol, PG/SG Derrick White, SG Davon Reed, SF/PF Wesley Iwundu
*Spurs get: C Nikola Vucevic, SF/PF T.J. Warren, PG Milos Teodosic
*Magic get: C Boban Marjanovic, PG Patrick Beverley, 2020 2nd (from SA)

Why each team agrees:
- Suns: Receive a quality point guard in Mills (obviously not Star pg, but it's near impossible to trade for one at this time of the off-season) and receive a younger guard who has potential.
- Clippers: Clear Up Guard jam (had 6 guards) and allows SGA and robinson to get minutes along with Bradley and Lou-Will. Upgrade at the Backup big spot with Gasol and receive prospects who could be in the rotation since all were drafted late 1st Round or early 2nd Round.
- Spurs: Get quality players to fill their needed starting SF and C. Get rid of Gasol's bad contract and upgrade with a younger center in Vucevic. Also get a quality pass first pg in Teodosic to compliment Murray in the pg Rotation.
- Magic: clear up frontcourt so Bamba could start. Get a quality starting pg or backup (depends on if they want to start Grant) who is also a beast on the defensive side. Also get one of the biggest players in the league who could strengthen their lacking bench.

11 Sep 2018 03:44:08
Nice for spurs only.

11 Sep 2018 19:06:17
Understand, but all the other teams are likely not making the playoffs. Tryna get the Suns and Magic some decent point guard and getting off the Magic’s books. Also tryna clear up 6-7 guards on the Clippers roster. Was the best for the Spurs since they’re the only one out of the four with an actual chance to contend.

11 Sep 2018 23:45:37
Speaking as a Spurs fan. I like the trade. Spurs need upgrade at C and SF and need to get rid of Gasol and Mills contracts. This accomplishes that. I really like White. He is better than Teodosic, but it is required to make the salaries work. Spurs say yes.

Clippers are competing with Lakers and Toronto in 2019. This trade makes them give up $18mm in Cap space to bid on Leonard. I think they say no because they are all-in in their plan to offer max deal to Kawhi. Clippers say no.

Suns like Warren, but might say yes. Mills is good insurance policy in case they don't find a starting PG. Suns say yes.

Magic say Hell yes.

11 Sep 2018 23:56:45
Shizzee. Pass this way.

10 Sep 2018 18:56:10

Adams and Roberson from the Thunder and Aldridge from the Spurs. Adams and Aldridge has three years remaining on their contracts.


Young and Bogdanovic from the Pacers.


Oladipo and Sabonis from the Paul George Trade and Thunder give the Pacers draft picks in the Future to make this trade complete.

Thunder Starting Lineup


Maybe not perfect but according to the NBA Trade Machine -- Thunder gained 7 wins and with Oladipo and Ferguson handling the Shooting Guard spot and Westbrook and Schroder at the point -- our guards in good hands.

You can give the monies to Sabonis to anchor the Center spot and with Grant and Patterson at the Power Forward spot -- the Thunder has finally got the depth at every position and with Noel backing up Sabonis were set to be a better team than the Rockets and I believe that we don't need 1st Round Picks until 2022 to rebuild. I know this trade is a dream trade for OKC -- but I will face backlash from you guys and believe me if Presti can pull this off -- OKC can challenge the Warriors seriously.

10 Sep 2018 19:02:07
you just gave me a hartattack.
Can you explain me why the Pacers would do this?

10 Sep 2018 19:41:26
The Pacers won’t and shouldn’t trade Oladipo.

10 Sep 2018 19:49:27
Spurs say no.

10 Sep 2018 21:07:38
I love how the trade is essentially "Oops, sorry, we gave you too good of players for Paul George. Could you please give them back and take these two inferior players instead? " OKC fans are hilarious.

10 Sep 2018 21:58:18
Also, it's two separate trades, not one big one:

Young and Bogdanovic for Aldridge (terrible for SA)

Oladipo and Sabonis for Adams and Roberson (horrible for Indy, like hilariously horrible for Indy) . I'd probably take Sabonis over Adams due to Adams bad contract, and Oladipo is lightyears above Roberson.

You're right, you'll get backlash. But that's only because this trade is reeeeealy one sided. Like D_Drainer or MD_StaySmooth one sided.

10 Sep 2018 05:21:33
Pelicans, Spurs
Pelicans get Aldridge, Murray, 2 1st, and 2 2nd round picks, or 3 1sts if needed.
Spurs get Davis

Pelicans get and all star a young player with good potential and several picks

Spurs team up DeRozan and Davis make a couple of moves and over the next couple of off-seasons add one more all star to them in free agency and make a trio. Take full advantage of the time they have Pop cause he will retire soon.

10 Sep 2018 08:01:43
Can't see neither team doing this.
The Spurs aren't a team that trade draft picks, they develop young players.

06 Sep 2018 16:57:00
Spurs - Heat - Kings

Spurs get: Whiteside, Winslow

Upgrade at C and SF.

Heat get: Gasol, Frank Mason III, Toronto 2019 1st.

Rid themselves of Whiteside contract, luxury tax relief, usable pieces, draft pick.

Kings get: Mills.

useful upgrade at PG.

07 Sep 2018 02:31:27
Spurs robbing heat.

07 Sep 2018 16:30:16
It may seem that the Spurs are getting the better end of the deal. However, this deal gives Miami lots of cap relief and cash savings. This deal would save the Heat over $27mm in 2019 and those savings would be much more next year. It would get them under the luxury tax even after signing Wade to a one year deal. Additionally, if they were to waive and stretch Gasol next year and Dragic opts out which he is likely to do, they will have enough to sign a max star. They could then re-sign Dragic without the luxury tax repeater penalty. They will also get a 2019 first round draft pick (Toronto) . All at the expense of giving up Winslow.

If they don't get rid of Whiteside, they are doomed to mediocrity with a disgruntled star, large and getting larger luxury tax penalties and no hope of signing any free agents for the next two years. By the way, they would have a difficult time re-signing Winslow and Dragic due to their many bad contracts.

03 Sep 2018 04:09:35
Heat blow it up, Cut 10m in salary this year and open up about 50m for next offseason.

Spurs send: Gasol, Mills, '19 & '20 2nds
Receive: Whiteside, Mason III

Heat send: Whiteside, T. Johnson, Dragic, Waiters
Receive: Hill, Gasol, Smith, Shumpert, '19 2nd

Cavs send: Hill, Smith, '20 2nd
Receive: Johnson, Dragic

Kings send: Shumpert, Mason
Receive: Mills, Waiter, 2x '20 2nds

03 Sep 2018 08:09:17
Heat will move to north dakota with this trade.

03 Sep 2018 09:36:35
1 you can't rebuild with just a 2nd and cap space. 2 don't be a homer.

03 Sep 2018 14:59:52
Sure you can’t rebuild with cap space, but the only thing of real value that Miami gives up here is Dragic. You could argue to varying degrees that the other 3 players aren’t worth their contracts.

03 Sep 2018 15:31:44
Gasol 38 is guarenteed the 2 season so i don't understand why trade whiteside. For 7-8 mil more, I rather have someone who is 10 younger. Cavs fan should just do hill and Jr for Johnson Dragic.

03 Sep 2018 15:48:24
His last year is only guaranteed for like 6 million Shizzee. I think the Cavs would do the trade you suggested in a heartbeat though.

03 Sep 2018 18:35:02
1. Dragic and Hill make the same salary. Hill is guaranteed for 2020, Dragic is player option. Thus no cap relief in 2020 for Heat. Dragic is better and Heat already know/ like him. I don't see them trading Dragic for Hill. Also Heat are high on Waiters. They would like to keep him.

2. I like Whiteside and Mason III going to the Spurs for Gasol, Mills and 2x 2nd rds.

3. Johnson for Smith could work. Upgrade for Cavs and Heat get cap relief.

4. Mills for Shumpert also works. Upgrade for Kings and Heat get cap relief.


Spurs trade: Gasol, Mills, 2019 2nd., 2020 2nd.
Spurs receive: Whiteside, Mason III.

Heat Trade: Whiteside, Johnson.
Heat Receive: Gasol, Smith, Shumpert, Spurs 2019 1st, 2019 2nd.

Cavs Trade: J. R. Smith
Cavs Receive: T. Johnson

Kings Trade: Shumpert.
Kings Receive: Mills

Heat get massive tax relief which they desperately need. Can go after free agents in 209. They also keep Dragic and Waiters.

Spurs get upgrade at Center and relief of only two bad contracts on their roster. Spurs may balk at giving up 2 2nd rd. picks, but that could be negotiable.

Cavs get rid of J. R. Smith and get upgrade with T. Johnson.

Kings get an upgrade at guard with Mills for Shumpert. They may want one or both of the Spurs picks to make the deal more equitable.

03 Sep 2018 19:46:56
Warlock, no one is taking on Johnson’s contract without getting something for doing it. Hill’s Contract is only guaranteed for a million dollars after this year and Jr’s for 3.

No one is taking on Whiteside unless they can do it for a bad deal or get compensation for it.

03 Sep 2018 22:47:23
Not to mention Johnson isn’t an upgrade over smith. Worse contract. And he isn’t a good shooter.

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