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24 Apr 2018 10:40:31
SPURS OFFSEASON 2018

Trade
sas-por
sas-lillard/ aminu
por- leonard/ mills/ paul

Sign free agent
rivers- slasher off the bench
dedmon- rim protector legig center

Re-sign
parker vetmin
anderson

Draft
zhaire smith (sg)

ROSTER
C. dedmon/ gasol/ lauvergne
PF. aldridge/ aminu
SF. anderson/ gay/ ginobili
SG. green/ rivers/ smith
PG. lillard/ murray/ parker/ white.

21 Apr 2018 17:33:57
Knicks Offseason

Hire Mark Jackson as Head Coach

Hire Jerry Stackhouse as Associate Head Coach


Trades

Trade #1

Spurs get Courtney Lee, Frank Ntilikina, Lance Thomas, 2018 1st Round Draft Pick, and 2020 1st Round Draft Pick

Knicks get Kawhi Leonard


Trade #2

Hornets get Enes Kanter (sign and trade)

Knicks get Dwight Howard


Free Agency

Decline Ron Baker's option and resign him for 1 year at the league minimum

Resign Kyle O'Quinn for 4 years and $36 million

Resign Michael Beasley for 2 years and $20 million

Roster

Starting Lineup

PG Burke
SG Hardaway Jr.
SF Leonard
PF Porzingis
C Howard

Bench

PG Mudiay
SG Dotson
SF Beasley
PF O'Quinn
C Kornet
SG Baker
PF Hicks

21 Apr 2018 19:33:22
If you can pull these trades you might as well keep lee and Thomas get rid of the garbage known as Hardaway. He is 2nd coming of melo with less talent. All stats and offense, terrible plus minus against apposing starting SG.

21 Apr 2018 17:19:22
Knicks - Spurs

Knicks get:
Leonard

Spurs gets:
Lee
Burke
9th pick
37th pick
2019 1st rd pick (Top 3 protected)
2021 1st rd pick (Top 10 protected)

Knicks get a superstar and tries to win now while the Spurs move Leonard for 3 1st rd picks and a high 2nd rounder.

21 Apr 2018 19:34:19
Cant trade back to back yr 1st if they are your own 1st picks.

22 Apr 2018 13:47:45
Yes you can when the selection is made on draft night.

21 Apr 2018 13:51:39
Pels dream (Not reality) trade

Pels - Kawhi Leonard

Spurs - Solomon Hill, E’Twann Moore, 2019,2021 unprotected 1st rounds

Resign DeMarcus Cousins
Resign Rajon Rondo

Lineup

PG - Rondo
SG - Holiday
SF - Leonard
PF - Davis
C - Cousins
6 - Mirotic.

21 Apr 2018 18:02:22
Defensive nightmare squad.

21 Apr 2018 19:35:20
Enjoy the playoffs in reality, stop coming up with bs offers, its a fantasy.

20 Apr 2018 23:48:32
What's the best offer the Spurs can get if Leonard really wants out and play for a big market team.
Teams aren't going to give fair value for him. So what's the best offer?

1) Miami
Adebayo+ Winslow+Dragic

2)LA:
Deng+ Ingram+ future draft pick

3)Clippers:
Harris+ Detroit and Clippers pick

4)Boston
Tatum+Morris+future draft pick
or Hayward+ Future draft pick

5)NY
Ntilikina+Hardaway+ draft pick

6)Philly
Bayless+Fultz+LA pick

7)Chicago: R Lopez+Portis+ 1rnd pick 2018 and 2020

21 Apr 2018 02:56:55
Deal by deal:

1) no, Winslow has been a disappointment, and Spurs are going to want a pick too.

2) HECK NO! No way they take on Deng's contract, and what pick do the Lakers have to give that would be top 5 after they acquire Leonard. Personally, I don't even know if I like Ball over Dejonte right now.

3) no, Harris is a nice player, but him and two late lottery picks are nowhere close.

4) closer, I could see Tatum, Morris and two draft picks (one being Lakers/ Sac) if Leonard gave a nudge, nudge, wink, wink on resigning.

5) HECK NO, I know Frank is not better than Dejonte, Hardaway is a nice role player on a large contract, and number 9 is nowhere close.

6) take out Bayless, add in either Covington or Saric, add in the Sixers pick, and you're close.

7) no Lopez, add Valentine instead, who with Portia and the two picks gets you close.

I agree the Spurs are going to have to sell a little low on Kawhi, but all of these are not value enough to get him.

21 Apr 2018 03:25:16
Porzingis Hardaway for Leonard.

21 Apr 2018 11:21:25
P george was traded for Oladipo (not a star he's now) and Sabonis, the Pacers couldn't even get a draft pick for him.
Butler was traded for a late lottery, LaVine and Dunn.
Both trades turned out good for the Bulls and the Pacers.

All these trade give the the Spurs the opportunity to develop young players.

No team is going to give up fair value for Leonard. P George and LBJ are on the market this year, K Thompson, Butler, the next. No team is going to do a new C Anthony to the Knicks trade.

21 Apr 2018 13:05:56
Butler and George are not Leonard, and most these deals have mediocre young players and picks.

21 Apr 2018 13:44:06
I think these assets give them a good opportunity to rebuilt.
And the Miami offer gives them the opportunity to stay competitive for a few years.

22 Apr 2018 07:05:55
gasupo I agree to triangle O Butler and George is not Kawhi, kawhi Leonard is NBA champions NBA finals MVP an all star and dpoy and he also the one who gets championship back in 2015 in Spurs and also more accomplished than Butler and George.

20 Apr 2018 16:05:59
If Knicks get lucky and get a top 4 pick

Pelicans get Porter Baker NY 2020
Wizard get Cousins Hardaway Thomas Mudiay
Knick get Leonard Beal Mahinmi Gasol
Spurs get Kanter Lee 3rd or 4th pick

Cousins deal 5yr 150mil

Mahinmi for Roberson Abrines

Ntilikina/Burke/Carter-37
Beal/Abrines/Dotson
Leonard/Roberson/T.Williams
Porzingis/Gasol/Hicks
O'Quinn/Noah/Kornet

Murray/Mills/White
Green/Lee/Paul
Doncic or Porter-1st/Gay/Anderson
Alridge/Bertrans/Lauvergne
Kanter/M.Robinson-18/Bitadze-49

Solomon for Faried
Rondo/Clark/Jackson
Holiday/Moore/Baker
O.Porter/Miller/Liggens
Mirotic/Faried/Diallo
Davis/Okafor/Ajinca

Wall/Mudiay/Lawson
Hardaway/Satoranky/Meeks
Oubre/Thomas/Diop-42
R.Williams-15/Morris/Scott
Cousins/Gortat/Smith

20 Apr 2018 16:46:34
Knicks are getting way to much and the Spurs and Wizards are getting way to little.

Also, Mahimi for Roberson and Abrines is terrible for the Thunder. Mahimi is on a bad contract and the Thunder have a starting center, but they clearly miss Roberson and have no other sg that can be a plus player for them.

20 Apr 2018 17:06:16
I think everyone but the Knicks pass.

20 Apr 2018 17:12:46
Unbelievable for complexity and rules alone. You can’t S&T someone in a trade like that.

20 Apr 2018 19:15:13
Cousins can be trade by himself, no matter how many teams are involved in a sign and trade. Kanter better Gasol Lee Doncic/ Porter equal to Leonard, when you consider his injury, his contract vs rookie star contract and his undesire to play for spurs. Wizards get Cousins all while clearing Porter and Mahinmi. Beal and wall not getting along. Hardaway not as good Beal but closer disparity than cousins and mahinmi. Cousins so much better than Mahinmi. Porter is expandable and over paid but Pelicans can use him better than solomon or moore at sf while getting future pick, Oubre behind him and better fit.

20 Apr 2018 19:15:46
Gasol for Roberson and Abrines should be better.

21 Apr 2018 16:15:38
Cousins is staying in NOLA, and the Pels would not take that package for a highly overpaid Porter.

20 Apr 2018 09:43:21
Wolves - Lakers - Spurs - Suns

Lakers get: Leonard

Leonard, Ball, Randle and Hart with a ton of money to spend.

Spurs get: Wiggins, Kuzma, Patton, Frye

Murray, Mills, Parker
Green, Ginobili, White
Wiggins, Anderson
Kuzma, Gay
Aldridge, Gasol, Patton

Wolves get: Ingram, Simmons, Chandler

Teague, Jones
Butler, Crawford,
Ingram, Simmons
Towns, Gibson, Bjelica
Chandler, Dieng

Suns get: Mills, Aldrich, 2018 OKC 1st, 2018 Cavs 1st

Waive aldrich, trade up in the draft for a pg

Draft, Mills
Booker, FA
Jackson, Warren
Chriss, Dudley
Draft, Len

20 Apr 2018 09:52:20
Take out Simmons I originally had the 4th team being the magic but switched it to the suns.

20 Apr 2018 17:15:06
I'd cut out Minnesota. Ingram might be a better player right now than Wiggins and is a lot more valuable and the 1st they give up isn't needed if you get rid of Aldrich. You might be able to cut out the Suns at that point and find a team that needs depth at pg to take Mills. His contract isn't great, but for the right team it isn't terrible. Also, Frye comes off the books this summer.

20 Apr 2018 18:34:19
as the spurs i'd prefer ingram over wiggins. his doesn’t need to be more complicated than just LA+SA.

20 Apr 2018 08:22:56
sas-lal-min

sas- wiggins/ ingram/ hart/ lal 2019 1st rd pick
lal- leonard
min- kuzma/ mills/ sas 1st rd pick 2018.

20 Apr 2018 14:39:32
Lakers cannot include their 2019! st rd pick in any trade because their 2018 1st rd pick goes to philly or boston. per league rules.

20 Apr 2018 18:58:16
@jv but they have a first this yr (cavs) so they can move their 19 if they keep the cavs.

19 Apr 2018 16:13:02
Spurs-Clippers


Spurs get Tobias Harris, Sam Dekker, Sindarius Thornwell, #12 and #13 picks, and a future 2nd


Clippers get Kawhi Leonard and #18 pick.

19 Apr 2018 16:43:47
I don't see why the Clippers get a pick back. That's a mediocre package for Leonard at best before the Spurs have to send back a pick.

19 Apr 2018 17:09:27
@rk its similar to the jimmy butler deal and they swapped 1st’s and harris is better than any of the players the bulls got.
i could see the spurs taking this if they don't get blown away by another team’s offer.

19 Apr 2018 17:56:36
Yeah, but Kawhi is significantly better than Butler and Dunn despite his bad play his rookie year was just selected 5th overall, you're comparing Tobias his in his 7th year to Lavine in his 3rd, and a swap of the 7th pick for for the 16th to the 18 for the 12th. I'm not even sure the 12 and the 13 pick get you the 7th pick in a trade. I think the general consensus was the Bulls didn't get a great deal for Butler and without hesitation I would take that deal over this one. I think it would be a safe assumption to make that Dunn even after a bad year still was a safer bet than those two midlottery picks, obviously the seventh pick last year was better than either of them, and Lavine has the potential to develop into an allstar. Harris is a quality starter, but the chances he ever becomes an allstar are pretty slim.

20 Apr 2018 13:19:52
rkenne, couldn't have said it better.

19 Apr 2018 15:09:55
The Spurs get Tatum, S Johnson, Kennard, Luer, and the King's 19 1st

The Pistons get Hayward, Morris, Mills, and the Celtics 18 1st

The Celtics get Leonard and Drummond

The Spurs get a ton for Leonard.

The Piston either need to commit to Drummond or Griffin. Drummond seems like the smart play, but for some reason it like they're going to pick Griffin. They get a border line allstar that will fit next to him and they add some much needed shooting.

The Celtics get their young center and a top 5 talent in Leonard. A Line up of
Irving
Brown
Leonard
Horford
Drummond
combine with the Celtics bench has a real shot at a championship. I don't see Ainge being unwilling to move Heyward. He would trade his wife's kidneys if he thought it would improve the Celtics.

19 Apr 2018 18:09:12
You are right about one thing. Ainge, might trade his wife's kindneys, but trading Heyward now would damage his credibility with other FA's looking to come to the Celtics. Ainge won't do that to the organization. He's worked too hard to make Boston a viable place for Free Agents.

19 Apr 2018 23:32:00
As long as they can keep Irving and resign Leonard, who cares. They won't have cap space anytime soon. If things go right, they won't have cap space for the next 10.

19 Apr 2018 10:16:32
Boston: Leonard+Adebayo+Olynyk

Miami: Hayward

Spurs:Tatum+ Waiters

19 Apr 2018 13:09:23
Tatum's a good start, but Spurs are going to want more than him and an overpaid Waiters in return.

19 Apr 2018 14:43:07
I don't see why Miami would be needed here. The Celtics really don't have much of a need for Olynyk and I don't see Bam as the center that Boston wants for the future. I don't think Waiters has much value.

I also don't think that Miami would be very interested in moving Bam. It looks like Whiteside's days in Miami might be coming to an end. He doesn't seem to want to be there and Miami doesn't seem to want him.

The Spurs would want more than just Tatum.

18 Apr 2018 14:38:30
Brian Windhorst on ESPN (very reliable when it comes to Lebron) said that Kawhi's and Lebron's futures are linked and that Lebron will reach out to Kawhi after playoffs to discuss potential landing destinations. Windhorst mentioned Philly, Lakers and Clippers as potential destinations. Kawhi will be a free agent in 2019 and can demand which team the Spurs trade him to and Lebron can also force a sign and trade like Chris Paul did last summer.

Let's look at the Clippers case. Jerry West is probably the best in the business and has contributed in building superteams including this current Warriors team. Steve Ballmer is also willing to pay "whatever it takes" to get his team a championship. Clippers could package two lottery picks and Tobias Harris (very good player) for Kawhi which he would push the Spurs to accept or lose him for nothing.
Clippers could then sign Lebron and Paul George

Trades:
- Tobias Harris, 2018 Clippers 1st, 2018 Detroit 1st for Kawhi Leonard

Sign:
- Lebron James - 3yrs/100M (S/T with Gallinari off to Cleveland)
- Paul George - 3yrs/100M
- Deandre Jordan opts in
- Fill out the bench with vets and young players for minimum contracts

Total Payroll would be around $140M

Team:
PG - Beverley, Rivers, Evans
SG - George, Williams, Thornwell
SF - Kawhi, Dekker,
PF - Lebron, Harrell,
C - Jordan,

18 Apr 2018 15:00:59
Clippers don't have cap space for that. Gallinari takes up 20m.

18 Apr 2018 15:22:09
I like this idea, but the Clippers need to trade Gallinari to make this work.

18 Apr 2018 16:22:10
Why would the Cavs take on Gallinari's contract? He's overpayed, always hurt, about to be thirty, it would keep the Cavs deep in the luxury tax, and the Cavs will be tanking if Lebron leaves. I can't see them taking on major salary without getting some significant assets back.

Also, Kawhi doesn't have much control over where he's traded. He can't just pick one team and say trade me there. He's under contract and doesn't have a no trade clause.

The Clippers would be the worst of the 3 options you mentioned. The Lakers and Philly both have significant cap space and young talent. The Clippers are capped out and just to get Lebron and Kawhi, they would probably have to trade every asset they have and there's no way they would be able to bring in George, Lebron, and Leonard.

18 Apr 2018 16:36:43
That would be after the 2019 season. And, he CAN'T, demand to be traded to someplace he wants o be traded to. That is ridiculous. The Spurs will trade him to whomever has the best offer. If the best offer is from the team he wants to go to, fine. But it will be on the Spurs terms not his.

18 Apr 2018 16:30:16
One huge problem with your logic: Leonard can’t demand the spurs trade him to a specific team. If he wants out, they have absolutely no loyalty to him or what he wants. Look at Paul George as precedent of that. George wanted to go to the Lakers, but Indy didn’t care. And there would absolutely be teams that would take him on a rental and risk him bolting.

18 Apr 2018 21:11:42
Not to mention that LBJ is a FA this off season and he will be signing a long term contract somewhere.

18 Apr 2018 14:06:34
Spurs off-season moves

If lamarcus aldrigde unhappy what happen to Spurs this of season

Harrison Barnes and 2019 Dallas Mavericks 1st rd draft pick lottery protected for lamarcus aldrigde

And

If Kawhi Leonard requested a trade

And clippers win in KL trade

Danilo Gallinari, DeAndre Jordan and 2018 Los Angeles Clippers 1st rd draft pick for Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green

Resign parker
Resign anderson
Resign Bertans
Sign Bradley
Sign Noel
Draft Bridges via clippers pick
Draft Smith or Williams own Spurs pick



Spurs depth 2018-2019

PG Murray, Mills, Parker, White
SG Bradley, Bridges, Ginobili, Smith
SF Barnes, Anderson, Gay
PF Gallinari, Bertans
C Gasol, Noel, Lauvergne

18 Apr 2018 16:28:20
Why would the Mavs have interest in Aldridge? They're in the middle of a rebuild and he's on the wrong side of 30. Not to mention that is probably and over pay for him.

That is also a terrible package for Kawhi. Gallo isn't an asset and probably has negative value given his contract. The only value that Jordan would have in this situation is the fact that he's an expiring and even as an expiring, he isn't that valuable since the Spurs are taking on an extra 10+ million dollars in this trade. So basically they get a late lottery pick and have to take on a bad contract for a top 5 player in the middle of his prime.

19 Apr 2018 00:11:45
Spurs would win roughly 6 games only due to pop and Gallinari would miss another 40 games even with the “rest players” the spurs do! They should probably sign d rose to a max then!

17 Apr 2018 02:07:32
the Magic get Ball and Gasol(buy out) save 7 million now and 23 million next year

The Lakers get Kawhi

The Spurs get Kemba, Vucevic, Fournier, Ingram, and 2 Lakers 2nds

The Hornets get White, Murray, Lauvergne, Zubac, the Spurs 18 1st and the Orlando 19 1st top 10 protected plus they save 6 million

17 Apr 2018 19:27:27
spurs getting way too much, take out ingram. take either murray or the spurs pick from cha too, kemba is expiring thus lower value. honestly the magic just make this overly complicated and i don't see lonzo being available either.

17 Apr 2018 01:11:50
The Celtics get Drummond, Kawhi, and D Green

The Pistons get Kidd-Gilchrest, Morris, Rozier, and the Clippers 19 1st

The Spurs Kemba, Tatum, and Horford

The Hornets get Gasol(buyout) Yabasele, Murray, Theis and the Kings 2019 1st

17 Apr 2018 14:05:41
Pistons aren't giving up Drummond for that.

17 Apr 2018 14:48:35
You'll probably get critiqued for this being a lopsided Cavs trade, even though they aren't even in this proposal. lol.

17 Apr 2018 19:46:00
the celtics are giving up too much to get kawhi considering tatum+horford > drummond+green, i'd keep morris over green too
and i say its more realistic charlottle gets off a big contract like batum or williams (to spurs) than gets the very valuable kings pick, then horford stays in boston
maybe charlotte gets clippers pick and detroit gets a spurs 1st.

17 Apr 2018 22:25:32
The thing about the Kings 2019 pick is, it's #1 over all protected. If it actually becomes THE number one pick, it reverts back to Philly, and the Celtics get 2 2nd round picks. No way anyone is trading gor that pick in any kind of blockbuster deal until it is known exactly where it lands.

18 Apr 2018 02:09:10
@yumbo i thought if the sac pick is #1 then bos get phi’s first.

16 Apr 2018 19:27:09
The Cavs get McCollum, Aminu, Mahimi, D Green, Mills, and Aldridge

Give Hill, Smith, Love, Korver, Clarksom Nance, Zizic, Osman, 2 1sts and a 2nd

The Wizards get Love, Clarkson, Harkless, korver, and Zizic

Give Mahimi, Gortat, Morris, Smith, Satiransky, Oubre and 3 1sts and a 2nd

The Spurs get Jr Smith(buyout), Hill(buyout), Gortat(Waive) ,Jason Smith(waive) Satoransky, Oubre, Osman, Nance, Swanigan, Z Collins, the 8th pick(cle), the 15 pick(Wash), the 24th pick (port), a 2020 Washington 1st, 2020 Portland 1st, Cavs 2021 1st, Washinton's 22 1st and a 2nd from each plus 20 million in immediate savings and 70 million in savings next year. The Spurs basically clear the books outside of rookie contracts.

The Spurs give Leonard, Aldridge, Green, Gay, Gasol, and Mills

The Trail Blazers get Leonard, Gay, Gasol, and Morris

The Blazers give McCollum, Aminu, Harkless, Collins, Swanigan, 2 1st and a 2nd

16 Apr 2018 16:13:39
SPURS 2018 OFF SEASON

TRADE
SAS-PHI

SAS- fultz/ saric/ 2 1st rd pick
PHI- leonard/ white/ 2nd rd pick frm sas 2018

SAS- CHA

SAS- mkg
CHA- mills/ paul/ 1st rd pck orginal by phi

DRAFT
mikal bridges (badly needed)
mitchell robinson

RESIGN
parker vet min
anderson around 7 to 8 mil per yr.
gay resign w/ new contract around 6 mil per yr.

SIGN
-austin rivers for 12mil (has more ability to attact the rim than mills)
-thaddeus young for 14 mil
-vince carter vet min

ROSTER
C. aldrigde/ gasol/ robinson
PF. saric/ young/ gay
SF. anderson/ mkg/ carter
SG. bridges/ rivers/ ginobili
PG. fultz/ murray/ parker

this line got solid 12 man rotation hoped ginobili and carter will not retired.

17 Apr 2018 13:54:18
I like it but how about Danny Green?

16 Apr 2018 06:13:29
Spurs/ Sixers:

To PHI - Leonard

To SAS - Covington, Saric, 2018 LAL 1st, 2018 PHI 1st, 2018 Knicks 2nd, 2020 PHI 1st

Should the Sixers not feel like they can land LBJ, going after Kawhi would make sense for them. KL, Joel, Simmons and Fultz could terrorize the L for years.

Spurs land a underrated Covington who is on a very reasonable contract (AAV of $11M for 4 more seasons), there starting PF for the future, and a cache of picks. I know some people have suggested Fultz be a target, but I think Covington is the way to go. Also, I do believe the Spurs already have their PG of the future in Dejonte, who does not have Fultz upside, but I would rather him and Covington vs. him and Fultz, and then trying to fill the SF hole without cap space. With three firsts this year, there is an opportunity to get two quality players and stash a good prospect with the Philly pick.

16 Apr 2018 06:40:15
I like this for both teams as long as KL agrees to sign after the season.

16 Apr 2018 14:55:58
That's the key, Wiz. If he re-signs. That is why S. A. may have trouble getting full worth for Leonard. If he doesn't want to sign an extension, teams are nor giving up top dollar for him.

16 Apr 2018 19:20:10
Covington saric and 1 decent first? I think since leonard only has 1 year and is coming off a injury. This might be the best they can get. the other 1st are garbage if Leonard end up playing and sticking around with the sixers.

17 Apr 2018 14:53:02
I like your post triangle o

If your post done this off-season

Spurs moves supposed to be like this

Draft Kevin Knox ( 2018 76ers pick via Lakers)
Draft Zhaire Smith ( 2018 Spurs own pick)
Draft Keita Bates Diop ( Knicks 2nd pk )

Resign Parker 2 yr/ min vet
Resign Anderson 3 yr/ $$$
Resign bertans 2 yr / $$$

Spurs depth
Pg Murray, Mills, Parker, white
Sg green, ginobili, smith
Sf anderson, Knox, diop
Pf aldrigde, saric, gay
C Gasol, Bertans, lauvernge.

16 Apr 2018 03:17:31
If Leonard tells the Spurs he won't play next year and will leave as a FA (Similar to Irving)

Spurs receive: Harris, Dekker, Thornwell, Pick 8
Spurs send: Leonard

LAC receive: Leonard
LAC send: Harris, Dekker, Thornwell, Picks 12 & 13

Cavs receive: Picks 12 & 13
Cavs send: pick 8

16 Apr 2018 05:48:50
I think pick 13 should end up with the Spurs, and their pick can move to the Cavs.

16 Apr 2018 06:33:18
I think pick 18 and 12 won't be enough for the Cavs to give up pick 8.

15 Apr 2018 19:50:17
Spurs: Warren+Dudley 1rnd pick Suns

Suns: D Jordan+ K Leonard

Clippers: t Chandler+ Chriss+ 1rnd pick Bucks

15 Apr 2018 20:45:14
Suns don't have bucks pick to yrade, it remained protected for this year.

16 Apr 2018 00:52:05
I would love to hear your reasoning on why the suns would be willing to give up all that, for a free agent, and a guy with one year left. Suns first rounder won't be traded this year, unless it falls to 4 maybe.

 
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