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21 Jul 2017 02:36:33
Indiana-Utah-San Antonio

IND trade : T.Young
receive : 2018 1st from Jazz + A.Burks

give way to their young forwards


UTA trade : D.Favors + Alec Burks + 2018 1st + 2018 2nd
receive : L.Aldridge

adds star power to still compete sans Hayward


SAS trade : L.Aldridge
receive : D.Favors + T.Young + Jazz 2nd

get some depth and line up flexibility getting 2 talented bigs


21 Jul 2017 13:12:50
I don't see the Pacers getting a first for Thad Young. I would say take out that pick and the deal may work.

19 Jul 2017 06:01:17

jazz - anderson + ariza


rockets - anthony


knicks - favors + burks + non-guaranteed contract rockets + 2nd utah


19 Jul 2017 06:36:32
Not a fan of Utah getting older now that Hayward left. They went from being a middle of the pack playoff team to a team that will struggle to get in.

19 Jul 2017 10:14:56
Love the deal for NY.

19 Jul 2017 12:56:56
Rather have Anderson and Ariza.

19 Jul 2017 04:40:15

* PF Lamarcus Aldridge
* SG Danny Green

PG Rubio , Exum
SG Hood , Mitchell
SF Green , Johnson
PF Aldridge , Ingles , Jerebko
CE Gobert , Bolomboy

* CE Andre Drummond
* SG Alec Burks

PG Parker , Mills , Murray
SG Burks , Ginobili
SF Leonard , Anderson
PF Gay , Bertans , Lauvergne
CE Drummond , Gasol

* CE Derrick Favors
* CE Tony Bradley
* UTA 1st round pick
* SAS 1st round pick

PG Jackson , Smith , Galloway
SG Bradley , Kennard
SF Harris , Johnson , Bullock
PF Leuer , Ellenson
CE Favors , Marjanovic , Bradley

19 Jul 2017 05:02:27
I don't think Detroit makes this trade but Pop and Kwhai would make this kid a superstar!

20 Jul 2017 19:47:52
pistons will only trade drummond if their season is really bad or they get. a very good offer.

18 Jul 2017 09:11:12
Cavs nuggets Jazz

Jazz receive

Nuggets receive

Cavs receive

17 Jul 2017 07:10:22

ORL get Derrick Favors & 2018 1st from UTA (lottery protected)
- get a 1st for basically swapping a similar type of player

Pg Payton/Mack/Augustin
Sg Fournier/Simmons/Iwundu
Sf Ross/Hezonja/Georges-Hunt
Pf Isaac/Gordon
Ce Favors/Biyombo

SAS get Nikola Vucevic , Alec Burks & Tony Bradley
- i like Vooch on a Spurs jersey , he is younger and i think will be more effective under Pop. Burks provide wing depth especially when Ginobili is gone

Pg Parker/Mills/Murray/White
Sg Green/Burks/Ginobili
Sf Leonard/Anderson
Pf Gay/Bertans/Lauvergne
Ce Vucevic/Gasol/Bradley

UTA get LaMarcus Aldridge
- get a star to replace Hayward as the leader of the team and i think will fit very well with Gobert

Pg Rubio/Exum/Neto
Sg Hood/Sefolosha/Mitchell
Sf Ingles/Johnson
Pf Aldridge/Jerebko
Ce Gobert/Bolomboy

13 Jul 2017 03:08:42

Bucks get Alec Burks
PG: Brogdon, Dellevadova, Payton
SG: Middleton, Burks, Vaughn
SF: Giannis, Snell, Brown
PF: Parker, Teletovic, Wilson
C: Monroe, Maker, Hawes

Jazz get John Henson
-Waive Boris Diaw
-Sign Arron Afflalo 1yr 4.3m
PG: Rubio, Exum, Neto
SG: Hood, Mitchell, Afflalo
SF: Ingles, Sefolosha
PF: Favors, Johnson, Bolomboy
C: Gobert, Henson, Bradley.

11 Jul 2017 16:45:57

Trade Thad Young to Suns for Chris/Ulis.
At deadline trade Bogdanovic to contender for 1st rounder and a expiring contract (maybe Raptors).
In the draft trade Pacers 2018 first and Leaf or Sabonis to move up.
At end of season or draft day trade Collison for 2nd rounder.
Flip the first rounder from the contender and Oladipo for a future second rounder (maybe Mavericks will take on his contract).
Trade Joesph and 2nd rounder to Nuggets for 2018 first.

All of this opens up cap space for free agency
Dante Exum 4y72m (Jazz won't match because hood and favors are free agents as well and to pay them all would send them way over the cap.)
Gary Harris 4y88m (Denver can create space to keep him so you have to sign him to a little more. But it's not a smart move for a team who needs to pay an elite point guard.)
Resign Robinson III
Sign Amir Johnson 2y24m (2nd year team option). Just to get some veteran leadership.
Sign Nick Young 2y14m (Need backup SF and an elite 3 point shooter.)
Sign Deron Williams 2y10m (2nd year team option.) More veteran mentoring.

Robinson III/Young/Niang
Johnson/Chris/Sabonis or Leaf


11 Jul 2017 17:25:54
Not sure what Suns would want with Young especially giving up promising young assets (especially Chriss who was there lotto pick that they traded up to get last year) to get him and his decently sized contract when they likely are a team building for the future.

I think Indy would be foolish to just dump Oladipo's contract especially when they aren't going to attract any significant FA. Why give up assets to get rid of him in order to overpay similar caliber FA (Exum and Harris neither project as potential stars but solid players) and older FA (Johnson, Young and Williams) . His contract is big and he didn't wow last season but he is still relatively young and will likely be Pacers 2nd best player.

I think Exum would be a much higher priority than Favors for the Jazz and with guys like Joe Johnson and Diaw coming off the books they may even be able to retain Favors depending on how he plays upcoming season.

Nuggets do need a point guard upgrade (I don't believe Joseph is much of an upgrade with Murray capable of running the show) and they will have a decision to make between Harris and Barton on who they want to pay so Harris could potentially be had but I'd say its more likely they let Barton go with the jump Harris made last season.

After all those moves the end result is fairly underwhelming and all the moves are slanted in the Pacers favor (some are possible but I doubt all happen) . Pacers should try and move Collison, Young and Bogdanovic if they can get any young assets/ draft picks for them. They should only trade Oladipo if they actually get assets in return (don't salary dump him) . Moving up in the draft would be a solid idea especially with Sabonis and Leaf kind of redundant and Pacers needing a star to pair with Turner (Porter or Doncic would be ideal case) . Then throwing money at younger FA (most likely restricted) isn't an awful option but it most likely won't yield much if anything. Don't think Pacers need to sign that high of caliber of veterans at this stage of their rebuild where they should be focused on getting their young guys minutes and trying to uncover hidden gems with guys who have spent a decent portion of their time in D-league, overseas and such. It'll be a long rebuild for them but priority should be to tank with the hopes of getting a top talent to pair with Turner who is a budding star.

11 Jul 2017 17:44:55
Agree with most of what Jaw said. I think the oddest thing you have here is flipping Olidipo and a 1st for a 2nd. Olidipo is a young solid two way starter. He's on a reasonable contract. He's a player with solid value.

10 Jul 2017 15:16:15
The Knicks get Favors, Exum, the Houston 22 1st and the nonguaranteed contracts of Quarterman, Taylor, Onuako, and Long

Houston gets Melo and Diaw

Utah gets Anderson, Ariza, the 2020 Houston 1st, a Hou 2nd, and Ny 2nd

The Knicks give Melo and and a 2nd

Houston gives Anderson, Ariza, 2 1sts, a 2nd and nonguaranteeds

Utah gives Exum, Favors, and Diaw

The Knicks get 2 solid young players, a pick, and with Favors expiring and the nonguaranteed contracts they end up with similiar flexibility to a buyout.

Houston gets their 3rd star and a decent back up big with a ton of experience. They're going pretty thing this year so any decent rotation players they can end up with will be huge.

Utah retools after losing Hayward. Anderson would fit perfectly next to Gobert and could provide some of the offense they lost. Ariza slides into starting sf spot and gives them the shooting they'll need with Rubio at pg. They lose some solid young players, but with the addition of Rubio, I don't see Exum starting any time soon and even though he has a ton of potential, he hasn't been great in the limited minutes he's received. Favors is a good young player, but he's a bad fit beside Gobert. They're better off moving him than losing him for nothing.

10 Jul 2017 15:32:32
This is a joke? This is like, as a sixer fan, still thinking I can get the nets 2018 pick for Okafor from Boston. That ship has sailed. So has the melo ship. No way they get Favors, Exum, and a future #1 for Melo. Is the Knicks front office bi-polar? One day making a ridicously bad deal with THJ signing, then looking like Einstein with this trade? c'mon now. Your "fan brain" is getting in the way of your "logical thinking" brain.

10 Jul 2017 16:00:33
I'm a Cavs fan. I could careless about the Knicks.

10 Jul 2017 16:17:38
What about this

Knicks get Favors, Diaw, Houston 22, and nonguaranteeds

Houston gets Melo

Utah gets Ryan Anderson, Houston 1st, and 2 Knicks 2nds.

10 Jul 2017 17:21:27
Can't wait until Melo get the buyout. Sick of these trades.

10 Jul 2017 18:40:41
Sick of Melo, too. and, of course, most of his coverage ceases once he leaves NY. can't happen soon enough.

10 Jul 2017 23:55:42
Enjoy it before he comes to your team. Phil Jackson got fired bc Dolan will never buy him out.

08 Jul 2017 01:17:00
Utah Jazz Moves

-Waive Boris Diaw

JAZZ get Thad Young, Justin Hamilton, and Joe Harris
PACERS get Trevor Booker, 2nd rd pick (via Jazz) and salary relief
NETS get Derrick Favors and Trevor Booker

•Trade Alec Burks to Milwaukee for John Henson and a 2nd rd pick

-Sign KJ McDaniels 1yr minimum

PG: Rubio, Exum, Neto
SG: Hood, Mitchell, Harris
SF: Ingles, Johnson, McDaniels
PF: Young, Henson, Bolomboy
C: Gobert, Hamilton, Bradley.

08 Jul 2017 13:23:48
I'd keep it simple and try and deal Favors for Young. I agree Favors isn't a great pairing with Gobert and a stretch 4 like Young that is more athletic would be a better fit. I guess Favors and Turner would have similar issues but Turner can shoot some, Favors is an expiring contract and offers more upside if he could stay healthy and regain his old form.

07 Jul 2017 16:03:29

Pacers-Mitchell, Murray, Bender, Ulis, Johnson (free up space for Jazz)
Spurs- Thad Young, Neto, Sabonis/Leaf (their choice), future 2nd rounder from Suns and a 2nd rounder from either Pacers or Jazz

*Aldridge has already stated he was displeased with the Spurs and will likely decline his player option so it's better to trade him now.*


07 Jul 2017 05:14:28
Pacers Next Offseason
Trade Thad Young and 2 Future 2nd rounders to Jazz for Exum and Mitchell
S&T Miles to Wizards for Oubre Jr. and future 1st
At deadline trade Jefferson (expiring contract) and future 1st for Zach Collins
(Optional)At deadline or after season flip Sabonis or Leaf to Raptors for OG Anuboy
18-19 Lineup
Robinson III/Anuboy/Oubre Jr.
Turner/Ike A.
Team with Huge Upside
Later on if Mitchell, Oubre Jr., and Anuboy turn into starter talent flip Oladipo, Robinson III, and future 1st to clear Oladipo's bad contract.


07 Jul 2017 09:35:05
All those deals are heavily favoring Pacers. I doubt Young and 2 2nds get you Exum or Mitchell by themselves let alone both of them. After Jazz lost Hayward they'd be wise to keep their two best young talent or at least get better value for them.

The sign and trade for Miles isn't as bad but I doubt Wizards do it especially since they are way over the cap and Miles would surely make more than Oubre's rookie deal so won't work financially.

Similarly Blazers are way over the cap and couldn't do the Jefferson for Collins trade, not that they would since its not great value on a guy you just traded up to get at #10.

Sabonis flip isn't bad value but Raptors would probably prefer Anunboy who can once healthy be a difference maker right away on the defensive end and has solid upside.

06 Jul 2017 21:34:26
Boston - Jazz

With Boston trying to get Gobert too in the Hayward s&t

Boston : Hayward, Gobert, Diaw

Utah : Olynik, Smart, Tatum, Nets 2018, Lakers 2018

06 Jul 2017 23:33:28
They already have Hayward, and Diaw is just about cooked, so it's basically Smart and three top-5 lottery picks for Gobert. Not going to happen. Smart, the Lakers pick and another non-lottery No. 1, maybe. But not as constructed above.

07 Jul 2017 00:47:11
But they don't have Hayward unless they get rid of salary.

07 Jul 2017 00:52:29
Olynyk is heading to Miami.

07 Jul 2017 09:42:20
Can't legally do sign and trades like this it would have to be two separate trades. Even after getting Hayward Celtics could still use a big man and Gobert would be a great fit. However, I don't like how much they are giving up here since Hayward is essentially free (they could trade Smart to another team for a draft pick then just sign Hayward) so Tatum, Nets 2018 and Lakers/ Griz pick is too much for my taste.

07 Jul 2017 12:22:34
As a Celtics fan I would love to get the Hayward and Gobert, but considering he just signed a big money extension they would need to clear even more cap space. Plus there is no way they give up Taytum or the Nets pick. The Celtics have either completed their puzzle or are a piece away from doing so. They should keep their 2 (most likely) lottery picks and go after guys like Donich who is an amazing international SG who can replace Bradley and the other pick on Ayton who is a big talented center who would allow Horford to move back to PF.

A lineup of

With Smart (resign) Rozier, Brown Taytum, Zizic and other off the bench seems scary to me, maybe even scary than this years team.

Plus this is assuming that Crowder gets sent to the Jazz for Hayward, but If they can do the trade without him and without giving up any of the players listed above then just add him to the bench next year and the team will be so much deeper and scarier.

What do you guys think?

06 Jul 2017 18:45:01
Pacers Celtics Jazz Nuggets

Pacers - Harris, Exum, Nuggets 2018 1st, Jazz 2019 1st
Celtics - Favors, Seraphin, Pacers and Nuggets future 2nd
Nuggets -Oladipo, Crowder
Jazz - Young, Chandler or Faried

Robinson III/Niang
Turner/Ike A.



06 Jul 2017 22:20:17
Crowder is not going to get Favors for one.

Celtics need to first get below the cap to sign Hayward then other deals can get done.

Celtics want a C with more than one year left on his contract.

06 Jul 2017 16:37:13

Celtics get 2018 Hawks Second

Sixers get Crowder

Hawks get Okafor

Celtics get something in return (Probably Top 40 pick since Hawks are tanking) for Crowder to make room for Hayward instead of doing a sign and trade with Utah and getting nothing. Sixers get a starting SF, while only giving up a backup center. Hawks take a chance on Okafor while only giving up a 2nd.

06 Jul 2017 17:05:47
That's not enough for Crowder.

06 Jul 2017 17:16:55
Celtics should minimally be able to get a late 1st for Crowder. He is a starting caliber player at 2 maybe 3 positions on the right team that is on one of the best contracts in the league and just entering his prime at 27. He is the perfect complimentary player who can play defense on guys 1-4 and shot close to 40% on 3s while also being a good rebounder for a guy his size.

Even Okafor I think 76ers should be able to get a future 1st for, maybe not next years but I think he is worth more than a 2nd rounder.

06 Jul 2017 18:00:09
I agree that Crowder is worth more, but the Celtics have no leverage because they have to get rid of a player to sign Hayward. They are already talking about a sign and trade of Hayward for Crowder, so the Celtics would be getting nothing for him in that scenario.

06 Jul 2017 20:36:54
The Celtics have plenty of leverage. They are not way over the cap. Crowder is not going to Utah, Jazz are putting the trade out there. Ideally they would trade Smart to the Knicks for Willy and that will cover the Hayward signing. I think keeping AB and Crowder are key to competing this year. Look for IT to be dealt at the deadline and Rozier being the PG.

IT4 is talking his way out of town with this back the Brinks truck up and if I were 6'5" I'd be the best player in the NBA. FYI, no you wouldn't, you can't play D and you don't have enough dimes.

Ainge is thinking this out carefully because he wants to be in the finals this year. Gasol can clog up the paint but at a price. I think Vucivic can do the same at half the price so if Crowder is moved Orlando could be that team. Maybe they can do it with a late 1st and some young player they just drafted not named Tatum. He looks and plays like a stud. Drummond is still a viable option with 3 years of control and he'd be the guy I'd want if you have to spend 25 million. He's missed 2 games out of the last 3 years. And 9 years younger than Gasol.

06 Jul 2017 20:49:43
If it was just a straight sign and trade for Crowder it would be done already. DA is trying to figure out if he can get something else out of Utah. My guess is Hood right now with Utah balking at the prospect.

07 Jul 2017 00:25:31
The celtics need to find a way to move horford if they are going to move him or thomas. I feel like no one talks about that bad signing. he shouldn't be a max guy.

07 Jul 2017 03:57:33
Horford was taken out of his environment of playing the PF, his #'s reflect that. Get a real center and he'll be better. He's a good presence for the players and he is a good player.

Buttt. I think if the right situation came around for the right player Trader Danny wouldn't think twice.

06 Jul 2017 14:24:54
Celtics future:


Smart and future 1st(maybe another pick as well) to the Jazz for Hayward

Have a lineup of


And have a bench of Brown Taytum Zizic Rozier Jackson(or they could waive him and bring in a veteran backup).

They still have they possibility of having 2 lottery picks and they should use them on the international SG(who will be in high demand) and Ayton.

They need to sign IT to a long term deal.

A lineup of


With guys like Crowder Brown Taytum and Rozier and Zizic coming off the bench with others as well is scary good and is good enough to beat the Cavs and challenge the Warriors in my opinion

06 Jul 2017 16:32:46
Crowder will go to Jazz hands down.

06 Jul 2017 16:47:15
Unless Hayward wants to throw his old team a bone and demands Celtics do a sign and trade to get him this isn't realistic. Celtics could easily get something in return for Smart (a draft pick from another team) instead of giving up him and a 1st virtually for free. They should trade Bradley, Smart or Crowder depending largely on the returns they can get for them but ideally from a financial perspective you move Bradley since he'll be the most expensive to keep next year and is unrestricted FA, Smart would be next since although he is restricted he is still a FA and Crowder they'd ideally keep since he is signed cheaply for next few years but this also makes him attractive to other teams via trade.

06 Jul 2017 14:17:31

Utah trades: Hayward (s&t) Exum, 2020 1st round pick

Boston trades: Crowder, Rozier, 2019 Clippers pick.

06 Jul 2017 14:58:38
I'm not sure what motivation Utah would have to trade away a pick of exum in a s and t even if that was legal to do which it's not.

06 Jul 2017 16:56:31
I don't think Jazz would be allowed to give up anything more than Hayward in a sign and trade . For something like this to work Celtics would trade Crowder, Rozier and 2019 Clippers pick for Exum and 2020 first and then just sign Hayward outright. Although that isn't a terrible offer I think Celtics could find a better one elsewhere that would at least net them a big man that they could really use.

06 Jul 2017 10:57:37
Jazz - S&T Hayward
Celtics- Crowder
Jazz- Crowder
Celtics- Hayward

Jazz sings Olynyck and Rudy gay


Utah try a trade with Exum Burks or Favors for PF?

06 Jul 2017 11:32:06
bro you obviously don't seem to understand how the NBA works. Why would you give Crowder up for free, you might as well trade him somewhere else for anything, at least a draft pick. And you want them to sign rudy gay and crowder bruh gay ain't signing with crowder there too.

06 Jul 2017 12:39:34
Agree with Butler. It doesn't make sense for Celtics to give up anybody of value in a sign and trade for Hayward. Makes 100% more sense to deal Crowder to another team, get a draft pick then just sign Hayward outright. Only way I could see this happening is if Hayward demands it since he feels guilty from all the backlash he has received on twitter (Chris Paul made Rockets do a sign and trade for him as opposed to Rockets signing him outright since he wanted to give Clippers back something) .

If I'm Jazz I think they have to shop Gobert to see if they can get a very attractive offer centered around young talent/ draft picks. They won't be a bad team without Hayward but they'll be a fringe playoff team in a deep west with 10 teams either better or equal to them.

06 Jul 2017 14:14:49
@jaw457 Chris Paul did a sign-and-trade because the Rockets couldn't sign him outright as a free agent, I don't think it had much to do with guilt over ditching the Clippers.

06 Jul 2017 14:34:16
Did you just claim the " Jazz sings Gay"? lol.

06 Jul 2017 04:47:16
Celtics-Jazz-Grizzlies trade

Boston gets Gasol Hayward

Boston gets their guy in Hayward and the big that they have been looking for

Memphis gets: Smart and a 1st round pick from Boston(2020 or later or a heavily protected pick)

Utah gets: Rozier

This leaves Boston with a lineup of IT Bradley Hayward Horford and Gasol with Brown Taytum Zizic and others coming off the bench.

The Celtics could then also look into signing someone like Norris Cole or Tyler Ennis because they loose two of their backup point guards in this trade so they might want to look into bringing in a cheap replacement.

By the way I am not sure if this trade works money wise but I think if we put money aside this seems like a fair trade.

What do you guys think?

06 Jul 2017 05:16:45
The money is off by around 20 million, but money aside, I doubt Utah is interested in a sign in trade for just Rozeir. They have Rubio and a young pg in Exum. I also think that the Grizzlies would want atleast Smart and one of the Celtics better picks if not a little more. There hasn't been much talk of wanting to rebuild or even move Gasol by Memphis. It would probably take a pretty enticing offer to make them think about it.

06 Jul 2017 10:18:45
If youwant the money to work I think you need to switch smart for Horford and change the pick to Grizzlies own first rounder and the Clippers first rounder.
Boston Line up

06 Jul 2017 10:44:23
Ya rkenne_16 is right money is way off (they need to move salary just to be able to sign Hayward) and those offers especially the Memphis one isn't too enticing. Unless Celtics dealt Horford for Gasol, Crowder and Bradley would need to be involved as their biggest salaries but even then they are still a little short and would have to wiggle some more.

06 Jul 2017 14:15:55
I'm still not sure what people are thinking with the whole Gasol thing. I'd love to add him to the team, but his contract makes it impossible unless you're swapping key players. and at that point, why? They're already needing to move a player for next to nothing. What they need to do is find a cheap big and do a two for one. Getting Gasol would be more like a 5 for 1 and at least one of them would be part of the real core.

06 Jul 2017 03:04:38
Rest of Boston Celtics Moves

-Trade Jae Crowder to Utah for sign and trade Gordon Hayward (4yr 127m)

-Trade Marcus Smart to New York for Kyle O'Quinn

-Waive Demetrius Jackson and Jordan Mickey

-Bring over Guerschon Yabusele
-Bring up Abdel Nadar
-Sign Raymond Felton 1yr minimum
-Sign Anthony Morrow 1yr minimum

PG: Thomas, Rozier, Felton
SG: Bradley, Brown, Morrow
SF: Hayward, Tatum, Nadar
PF: O'Quinn, Yabusele, Ojeleye
C: Horford, Zizic, Theis.

06 Jul 2017 10:46:42
Celtics can do better in both trades. Crowder is way too much to give up in a sign and trade. Celtics would be much better off dealing Crowder for a draft pick elsewhere then just signing Hayward out right.

06 Jul 2017 02:13:03
Swing for the fence trade...

Bos-Avery Bradley
Jaylen Brown
Jae Crowder
Terry Rozier
Jordan Mickey
2018 Nets pick
2019 Memphis pick

Utah-Rudy Gobert

Th numbers would be close to allow for the a Gordon H. signing as well. I am well aware that the likelihood is LOW, but I think this is a relatively equal trade for both teams.

06 Jul 2017 05:30:18
Gobert is untouchable.

06 Jul 2017 10:54:20
Gobert would be a great fit in Boston as a defensive anchor that just turned 25, signed for next 4 years and is a much better rebounder than anyone they have. I wouldn't say Gobert is untouchable with Jazz losing Hayward and Gobert not quite the franchise caliber player who can fill his void due to his offensive limitations (Not to mention the loaded western conference) . that's pretty great value to me if I'm the Jazz especially since Favors could be slid back to center and could see if he could recoup his old form (and stay healthy) . Nets pick would enable them to get a replacement big man, Crowder can fill in some of void left by Hayward, Brown is a good young piece and that Memphis pick will probably be in lotto with that aging Memphis team in a loaded west.

Financially Celtics would have to do more to make it work but I think they should explore it.

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