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21 Feb 2017 16:51:00
Lakers/ Wizards/ Cavs

Lakers trade: Lou Williams and future 2nd
Lakers receive: Kelly Oubre, James Jones and Cavs 2021 1st

Wizards trade: Kelly Oubre and Trey Burke
Wizards receive: Lou Williams, Richard Jefferson, and Lakers 2nd round pick

Cavs trade: James Jones, Richard Jefferson and 2021 1st
Cavs receive: Trey Burke


1.) 21 Feb 2017 19:31:01
Cavs say no. Wizards say no.



12 Feb 2017 04:50:25
Lakers/ Thunder

Lakers trade: Lou Williams
Thunder trade: Nick Collison and '17 1st


1.) 12 Feb 2017 06:35:23
Only problem is, trade couldn't happen unless on draft day.

2.) 12 Feb 2017 09:51:14
Nick collison is nearly as untradable as Westbrook. Sad but true. Ask any OKC fan.

3.) 12 Feb 2017 11:56:06
Can't trade consecutive 1sts:



27 Jan 2017 16:12:00
Lakers/ Thunder

Lakers trade: Lou Williams
Thunder trade: 2017 1st round pick


1.) 27 Jan 2017 16:56:05
Lou Williams is not worth a 1st rounder. Especially not one for this year.

2.) 27 Jan 2017 16:56:28
Not worth it. Lou Williams is fine on a bad team like the lakers because he can Jack shots up and play no defense and still be considered good. On a legit NBA team he would just be an occasion scoring punch off the bench but not often enough to be worth the misses and no defense.



17 Dec 2016 17:24:07
Lakers/ Sixers

Lakers trade: Clarkson
Sixers trade: Noel.


1.) 17 Dec 2016 17:35:35
@tregib: that's probably the best value you can get out of Noel.

2.) 17 Dec 2016 18:09:11
Ehh. It makes some sense. Clarkson downs stat for the lakers. Noel doesn't start for the sixers.

I could see it. I thought Noel plus lakers pick would be worth Ingram.

In my opinion so far Ingram isn't as advertised so clarkson and Ingram have similar value. Ingram being younger and just drafted obviously would be worth more for now so sixers include the lakers pick back which Will probably be top ten. Noel plus another top ten pick for an underperforming Ingram I figured could work. But clarkson for Noel striaght up makes sense too value wise.

3.) 17 Dec 2016 19:22:52
what a shocker, Tre thinks an expiring contract on a player with health issues and off court issues. plus a mid to late lottery pick is worth the second overall pick from this years draft. Why? because its been 20 games and ingram is a bust. clearly. While i am sure the sixerrs are doing such a great favor to the sixers in giving that blow away package. my guess would be the lakers would pass. either that, or they accept it and everyone in managemewnt is fired at the same time.

4.) 17 Dec 2016 19:41:48
Hamburger. How long did it take you to decide prozingus was a star again? Same number of game it takes to see if a guy is special or not. Usually you can tell right away. Ingram may be a good to great 3 and d player on day. but he is not one now and he defiantely isn't a star player.

In my opinion Noel demanded a trade in the offseason. Faked an injury so he wouldn't play. No that he has too play it's time to either start him at pf next to embiid or trade him. I like Noel's game. He'd fit great with the lakers style. Unfortunately sixers just don't have any room for him. And the lakers pick is top ten at the very worst. I was adding that in the deal as well. So perfect fit center and a top ten pick for Ingram who is at best a three and d player.

5.) 17 Dec 2016 23:49:29
While I would agree Ingram has been a bit underwhelming, anyone who actually thought Ingram was going to walk in and be the next Kevin Durant was smoking something. It's been 1/ 4 of his rookie year. There are plenty of examples of guys being terrible early then becoming all stars. I wouldn't trade Ingram for anything short of a mint until you see how he progresses thru the year and how he responds in the off season.

6.) 18 Dec 2016 00:12:55
Haven't been on this site in a few months but @TreGib that is absurd. Everyone knew going in that Ingram is still raw. Implying that his ceiling is a "great 3 and d player" is such reach.

Dude turned 19 a few months ago and hasn't played 30 games yet. Look at Anetetokounmpo. He came in at the same age and averaged 6 points a game his rookie year.

7.) 18 dec 2016 00:40:31
da bulls

ingram and gianni's are completely different. gianni's is not a shooter coming into the league. he was a super raw but extremely athletic guy. you saw the things that would make him special right away. the height the handle and of course the age. guys on his second contract before most sign their first.

let me be clear here. i really want to see something in him. these younger draft picks are pretty much my only reason to watch the nba. the warriors have taken the suspense away. i just can say from what i've seen i see nothing special in ingram on an nba level. yes of course he's young but i should have seen something by now to say. " oooo okay. that's the superstar skill set that will allow him to be a star. " i see a potential three and d player. and right now he's missing the three part. forms correctable i think so that's good.



17 Dec 2016 14:53:20
Lakers/ Pacers

Lakers Trade: Ingram, Clarkson, and Nance
Pacers trade: Paul George.


1.) 17 Dec 2016 15:53:25
Try ingram Randel and clarkson. That closer and still might not be enough.

2.) 17 Dec 2016 16:02:25
I agree with TreGib. I don't think this is anywhere close to the value of Paul George.

3.) 17 Dec 2016 16:02:47
No deal from lakers we need young players to grow even though I like George.

4.) 17 Dec 2016 16:37:29
We would want Ingram and Russell, Not Clarckson.


5.) 17 Dec 2016 17:12:13
For me it would have to be Ingram, Clarkson, and Randle. I'm not trading Russell as I see him as a future superstar and the face of our franchise ❄️.

6.) 17 Dec 2016 18:23:31
I agree with Daniel

You don't trade Russel at this point. Ingram is expendable as he looks like a project player right now. Defiantely has upside so his value should be high as of now. Him with clarkson and Randel who are nice players should be at least interesting to the pacers.

7.) 22 Dec 2016 14:57:42
I actually grew up being a lakers n pacers fan, so I know both teams well. 1st off pacers aren't trading George unless he asks to be traded or hints at leaving for free agency. So if that happened the pacers would definitely want ingram, russell, n nance. But LA would be dumb to do that. I think the future is really bright for Russell. Superstar in the making. So pacers would look elsewhere n la would look for someone else to trade if it involved Randle n clarkson. I say keep Russell n ingram.




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05 Jun 2017 16:51:54
Question: Do you guys think the way Miami treated Wade (lowballing him and pretty much forcing him to leave) will have any effect on their future superstar Free Agency targets?


1.) 05 Jun 2017 19:58:19
Yeah, I think it will. He took multiple pay cuts for Riley with the expectation that he would be getting another big pay day. The talk was always about how Miami took care of their guys and Wade has probably done more for that franchise than anyone else.



26 Jul 2016 07:59:41
Assuming Westbrook leaves OKC next summer as well, which team/ teams are favorites to sign him? For me Spurs, Lakers, Rockets, Celtics, Knicks would be the top 5 teams (in that order) .


1.) 26 Jul 2016 10:39:02
Lakers - no - too young and years from nba finals
Rockets - no - Harden will not be Robin again so if Harden is there than Russ is not coming.

2.) 26 Jul 2016 14:45:52
Spurs no. The money is too hard to figure out to make it work and I don't see Westbrook not wanting a big city.

3.) 26 Jul 2016 16:07:07
1. Spurs
2. Celtics
3. Clippers/ Lakers
4. Heat/ Magic
5. Knicks/ Mavs/ Pelicans.

4.) 26 Jul 2016 16:10:39
Sixers doesn't need dieng and payne they have embiid noel and holmes much more athletic and more upside, the best trade is okafor and 2017 lakers pick for kris dunn or noel and rubio swap.

5.) 26 Jul 2016 16:23:27
I think he's going to the Nets, so he can be the man

40p 10 reb 3 st 2 ast MVP

He should go to:
1) Boston
2) Spurs
5) OKC.

6.) 26 Jul 2016 17:07:12
Heat just because
NY. Just because the marketing
Spurs trade Parker and others.
Lakers it's home.
Boston a long shot to me but have better chance if they trade for him and Blake now.

7.) 26 Jul 2016 19:58:55
Again, just to clarify, there are a few reasons why the spurs realistically are a long shot.

Right now, the Spurs have about 86 million locked up in their starting 5, with 3 bench players.

The cap is 102.

Westbrook will be able to sign for about 30mill starting. That would put the spurs at 116, with only 9 players. Assume they round it out to about 130 in order to not have the worst depth in the league. The spurs are not a franchise that likes to go THAT far over the cap and pay THAT high of taxes. Sorry true, they aren't getting a new personal tv deal if westbrook signs.

The proposed ways to get Westbrook is for the Spurs, one of the most loyal franchises, to just get rid of Tony parker, one of the longest tenured and great spurs in their history. They would have to trade him to a team able to take on the cap, aka, a bad team, in order to essentially take nothing back. I really can't see that happening.

Even more so, I don't see westbrook as a fit there. Why would he choose to go to San Antonio? This just doesn't seem like a fit.

My guess is westbrook stays. IDK why everyone is so sure he leaves. But if he does leave, itll be to NY or LA. They are cities that match his personality and his "brand"

8.) 27 Jul 2016 06:55:35
Can the spurs stretch parker and green?

9.) 27 Jul 2016 19:41:13
In theory, they can. But that would put them at the salary cap with 8 players signed. Also, that would leave them missing a starting 2 guard. Seeing as they would be at the cap already, in order to have a decent 2 guard with yet another boom, and round out the bench so its not the worst in the league, they will likely be nearing 30 million over the cap.

AND they will be dealing with the cap hit for the 2 years following that season.

AND they would be waiving tony parker, a fan favorite who is:

2nd in games played
1st in assists
4th in points
4th in win shares

And helped lead the team to 4 rings.

AKA, they aren't the type of franchise to go "thanks, now go away"

Not happening.



11 Jul 2016 02:05:31
Question to Sixers fans, who do you guys have that can shoot the 3 consistently? After watching Simmons in Summer League, Sixers REALLY need to surround him with as many 3 point snipers as they can. A guy like Allen Crabbe would've been perfect for Simmons.

I also think Okafor needs to be traded as he will not be a good fit next to Simmons.

Simmons can easily average a triple double with the right players around him.


1.) 11 Jul 2016 05:22:49
Okafor for McCollum would work imo, obviously prher pieces wpuld need to be involved but i like these 2 has the centerpieces of a trade.



29 Jun 2016 07:50:00
If Durant had to join either Lakers or Knicks, which team do you think he would join?

Would he join the Lakers and team up with a bunch of young players.

Or would he join the Knicks and their team full of players ready to compete for the 2011 Championship?


1.) 29 Jun 2016 08:00:55
This is all hypothetical btw. I know there is a 0.0% chance KD signs with Lakers or Knicks.

2.) 29 Jun 2016 14:10:34
LOL. i love how you make a post simply to bash the knicks. And the lakers, with their supreme young talent has equated to the second worst team in the league. Well done daniel.

But hey, at least you came to terms that james, durant and michael jordan aren't signing with the lakers because of their sunshine this offseason. Baby steps.

3.) 29 Jun 2016 16:02:42
So is Hamburger mikerockwell's new name this time around?

4.) 29 Jun 2016 17:18:27
@Larrylegend33 exactly why I posted this. I knew he couldn't resist coming at me for talking about his Knicks LOL.

5.) 29 Jun 2016 17:32:11
I think Durant would only sign with Lakers is if my dream scenario happened with signing james, Durant, rondo, and Whiteside. Plus stretching young and dumping Williams and randle. Gives lakers 78 mil in cap. Or just something with teaming up with James. So Durant stays in okc because james staying in Cleveland. I think with that trade Durant tries to Beat them instead of join em.
Did read about Lakers taking on bogut and warriors agree to let Lakers sign barnes.
Lakes could still sign another player and upgrade at pf. resign clarkson. Make play offs or come close and give Philly pick 12 or higher. But i think lakes would make a trade to upgrade at point guard. I like Russell but lakes only need Ingram and Nance out there young players. Maybe pick 32 also. By trade deadline give up Russell, clarkson, Williams and randle for a great player.

6.) 29 Jun 2016 19:59:03
Same deal as Winston darkwing. I said this last week.

And your dream scenerio is so goofy. Ok. So they sign 3-4 Max players. Al because they have pretty sunshine? Lakers can't even get a meeting. Not even a meeting with durant. Say something?

7.) 29 Jun 2016 20:58:01
True, there are many many issues with that scenerio. We all read the many times you were saying this. That durant and james and whiteside and rondo all were coming. The problem is, the lakers are essentially the worst team situation in the league behind the nets. This is clear in that durant flat out rejected meeting with anyone associated with the organization.

Your plan is to basically give up all the youth for a great player. It just doesn't make sense. Just as you want to give up the youth, other teams aren't going to give up a stud for that mixed bag. Additionally, the line up you have, with simply adding barnes and bogut will NOT be fighting for a playoff spot.

At this point, Bogut is merely an average bench player. He will give you 20 minutes a game. The warriors are so down on him, they are trying to get someone to eat his contract.

Basically, you are planning that the addition of barnes and ingram will give you a 23 win increase to put you near the 12 spot?

Barnes is not going to be the path for the lakers. In order to get barnes, the lakers will likely need to max him because other teams, sixers, are interested.

Its just so haphazard. I get it, my tone on here tends to be a tad harsh. But my points are grounded in reason.

The lakers will be terrible next year. Its just the case. Ingram is a couple years away at best. he is terribly thin and will need to gain weight to compete in this league. don't point to durant, durant has 30lbs on him and they are not the same type of player.

I think at this point, the best bet for the lakers is to try and get a younger veteran team, ride the terrible wave over the next year or two and hope things improve.

Its just a sad state that the lakers have become. They have no veterans on the team (which is essential to attracting top flight free agents) and the youth is entirely unestablished. I really can't see the lakers being better than a 25 win team next year.

All in all, they are a few years away from being even decent. You can mock the knicks if you want, but they have a solid core and it appears like they may add one or two upper level free agents. If they snag say noah and bazemore, a line up of:


is highly competative. Thus, free agents such as durant see the potential. Got it?

8.) 29 Jun 2016 22:19:32
I've constantly stated TrueGM is the most dillusional person on this website.

@Hamburger btw why don't you question all the Knicks fans stating you guys are signing Durant cause you guys traded for, wait for it, DERRICK ROSE!

9.) 29 Jun 2016 23:36:53
This is a friendly site. Not about being delusional or anything. It's about posting what you wanna see teams do. If any team had 70 mill in cap you can make up Tons of scenarios that you would like to see. If Knicks had 70 mil in cap with just Melo and prozingis they would get more hype. If Lakers didn't have cap they have they wouldn't even be talked about as much. I just seen a team won lottery 3 of four years then in finals next two. So your previous record don't count. That's why you rebuild and use cap to sign free accents and can turn anything around. You just look to nit pick any way but your really just a Lil boy. Your just a laker hater because new York can't and never did create a dynasty like the Lakers did. you think with rose Knicks are better. Why you think bulls traded him because no one wants to play with a hurt player who not half the player he was.

Let me see the Knicks win 10 banners in 30 years then you can talk knicks and Lakers talk.

10.) 29 Jun 2016 23:39:24
LOLOLOL Rose, Melo, and Noah were all great players 4-5 years ago. Porzingis is overrated af. You guys are extremely happy with him, cause he was booed on draft night and everybody thought he would be a bust. He averaged 14 and 7 nothing special. But hey maybe you can also attract Howard as he seems to fit the 2011 championship squad as well.

11.) 29 Jun 2016 23:46:36
Durant would see the potential of a declining Melo, and Noah. Always hurt Rose. Guy I like in Bazemore, but will be overpaid. Durant much better option (GS, OKC, SA, BOS) . Btw Knicks haven't scheduled a meeting with him yet either so there's that. Worst rebuilding situation behind the Nets is laughable. The Durant Comparisons are dumb, but I wouldn't be mad when they're comparing him to a less athletic Paul George. But as I've seen and read by many sites/ videos, they all say Ingram still hasn't reached his athletic potential. Not to mention he can still grow into his body like Greek Freak as he's only 18. And you're acting like he's not going to gain weight and he's going to do drugs like he looks like and be a bum on the street. He was drafted 6 days ago. Give him a break.

Bogut is severely underrated by people. The disrespect he gets is real. I don't like him as a player but I recognize his game which is perfect for the Warriors.

12.) 29 Jun 2016 23:50:39
Lakers are in great situation to me. Two future stars, two good role players in randle and clarkson, cap space, if fail to upgrade have great chance to get another future star in draft next year. Good coach.

13.) 30 Jun 2016 15:49:35
A) stop living on the past. Key rule in sports. what have you done for me lately. lakers and knicks have both been awful as of late, so question is who is looking to make a quicker change. answer. knicks.

B) The knicks already met with Durant. Or perhaps you missed those headlines of anthony and durant being together

C) No knicks fan is claiming the knicks are getting durant or that Rose is the answer. He is a major upgrade at a position of need. AWESOME pick up. And, if he's awful, all that cap relief next year which is amazing.

D) Its not knicks fans that are raving about Porzingis. Its the entire nba. Well. minus lakers fans who are claiming Russell is far better than Okafor and Porzingis.

E) How is Russell and Ingram two future stars? Ingram has done NOTHING and is WAY to thin at this point. Seriously.6'9 190lb? He needs to add at least 20lbs of muscle and that is not hard. And Russell. he's shown NOTHING. he had a year of immaturity and losing. 2 future stars. get out of here. The lakers had cap space last year and nothing. The reports are they are expecting again, nothing this year. Great chance at a future star next year? Future stars aren't easy to come by in picks 4+, and that's all you guys got.

Good coach? he's coached about 12 games. And he was successful. with one of the best lineups ever. The lakers are a mixed bag of maybes. Randle. not great, ok, but not great. Clarkson, same. Russell, proved nothing but immaturity. Ingram, nothing but lanky. They just have a lot of cap space, because no one signs with them. So salty. And so living off the past. Enjoy watching the highlight films of the 80's. ill stick with watching the present.

14.) 30 Jun 2016 16:34:54
The present of the washed up Knicks paying Melo and Rose 20+ mill? And now Noah 18 mill? 😂😂. Funny. Knicks fans are hyping Porzingas. People are sick of him getting overhyped as a 7'3 big who only grabbed 7 boards and shot mediocre from the floor. Melo and Durant have met but the KNUCKS HAVENT. You got that wrong. Pretty sure I see Shizee claiming to get Durant and Lebron winning championships. Lakers would rather be horrible and keep building up rather than be a 6-8 seed in the East which the NBA Hell which is probably what the Knicks are headed for unless their "so called superstars" get hurt. But hey like Daniel said, Knicks can crown themselves champions of the 2011 offseason! Go Knicks! No championships in the past 40 years! Laughing stock with the Eddie Currys of the league!



24 Jun 2016 04:27:13
I had Skal being the steal of the draft, and I thought he would be taken in the 11-14 range. At 28 though?


1.) 24 Jun 2016 05:46:46
I wish he fell to 32. But the Kings now have 5 centers and took him.

2.) 24 Jun 2016 07:27:56
Cousins to Lakers for Russell, randle and Williams. May happen don't want it too though.

3.) 24 Jun 2016 10:20:35
Late 1st rd is where he should have gone, he didn't do anything last season.

4.) 24 Jun 2016 14:20:02
HA, if you think the Lakers get Cousins for that sad package, think again. Last thing they need is a bad player (williams), a limited big guy (they have 12 big men) and a young, under performing prospect. They would get much better packages.

5.) 24 Jun 2016 15:08:18
Don't know how being one of the best bench players in the league is being a bad player.

6.) 24 Jun 2016 16:42:03
Shooting 40% from the field, adding very little otherwise to the offense while playing 30 minutes a game, 6'1 as a 2 guard and all and all not playing good defense. bad player. what's even more fascinating is he statistically made his team worse this year when he was on the court. HE made the 2nd worst team in the league WORSE when on the court. Now that my friend = bad player.

7.) 24 Jun 2016 17:20:08
Do most sixth mans play defense though? Look at Crawford? Lin? Kantar? Jennings? Also, Williams field goal percentage looks bad because he tries drawing fouls which results in awkward and tough shots. It could easily be fixed. When motivated, he could play solid defense like when he dropped 44 on the Thunder this year. But he didn't have a motivating coach who said to take the worst shot in basketball, long two pointers instead of threes. Contending teams wouldn't mind at all to have a player like Williams who's contract is decent.




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05 Jun 2017 16:39:57
Forget the fact that this is an awful trade, you really just stated that the lakers "get a star player" in Carmelo Anthony LMFAO.




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23 May 2017 16:37:58
@gassupo go ahead and keep him, we'd rather sign him as a FA anyway lol.




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23 May 2017 16:35:34
Wtf does age have to do with it? When you're trash, you're trash.




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23 May 2017 16:33:32
"Willing to fully invest in a rebuild" LOL why would they trade their only good young player if they are going to rebuild? Literally would make no sense.




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20 May 2017 22:45:03
@carl Which is why we shouldn't try to build a contender right now. Their contracts will expire by he time we are ready to compete.





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06 Feb 2017 15:43:26
Lakers would happily trade you Young or Williams for a 2nd rounder.




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25 Dec 2016 07:17:09
Lakers offer Clarkson.




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01 Oct 2016 03:21:16
According to the entire lakers players, coaching staff, fans, and pretty much the entire organization, Russell is going to have a breakout year.

Oh and they really LOVE Luke Walton.




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05 Sep 2016 20:28:11
They should be happy making playoffs.




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28 Aug 2016 18:13:23
@hamburger he really wrote an entire essay, thesis and all, to come up with a horrible Noel for Love trade LOLOL.