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16 Jul 2021 05:11:27
Three Team complex Sign and Trade Deal

Lakers get: Collin Sexton, DeMar DeRozan (Sign and Trade).

Spurs get: Kevin Love, #3 pick from Cavs.

Cavs get: Kyle Kuzma, Tallen Horton-Tucker (sign and trade), Montrezl Harrell, #22 pick from Lakers, #12 pick from Spurs.

This deal could not happen until after the draft since it contains free agents. Therefore, all draft picks are made by their original clubs. Good news is that everyone knows who they will be getting before the deal is done.

Warlock

1.) 16 Jul 2021 05:15:28
Terrible for Cavs.


2.) 16 Jul 2021 06:05:33
Why in the world would the Cavs do this?


3.) 16 Jul 2021 06:49:23
You have to convince me that THT wants to sign to play in Cleveland. Good luck with that.


4.) 16 Jul 2021 06:51:14
1. They get out from under Love's 60mm contract.
2. They get value for Sexton who they fear will want a max deal next year and they won't want to or be able to match.
3. They get two first round picks #12 and #22.
4. They get a potential replacement (Horton-Tucker) for Sexton who they would not be able to get without a sign and trade. They have been rumored to be interested in him.
5. They get two good players to help their rebuild or if they don't work out are tradeable.

Maybe both Spurs (2022 protected) and Lakers (2027) could add a future 1st pick to sweeten the deal for Cavs.


5.) 16 Jul 2021 07:44:17
They are not desperate to get out of Love's contract especially if they giving 2 assets too.


6.) 16 Jul 2021 13:27:11
This is a massive undervalue of #3 and overestimation of Love’s negative value.


7.) 17 Jul 2021 00:36:49
Beyond LeBron and AD, the Lakers have no players anyone wants.


8.) 17 Jul 2021 13:46:46
XXX. I would not necessarily agree with that. I think Harrell and Kuzma have a little trade value/ interest. However, they are not going to get back what the Lakers are searching for.


 

 

25 Jun 2021 18:36:14
Bulls sign and trade Markkanen and Aminu to Spurs along with 2026 1st. Bulls also send 2024 1st to 76ers.

76ers trade Simmons to Bulls

Spurs sign and trade DeRozan to 76ers.

Bulls get Simmons for Markkanen and two future firsts. Bulls also get rid of Aminu's salary for needed cap relief.

76ers get DeRozan, a future first from Bulls and cap relief for Simmons assuming DeRozan signs for less than Simmon's salary.

Spurs get Markkanen and future first from Bulls for DeRozan. Aminu becomes a cap rental for one year.

Warlock

1.) 25 Jun 2021 18:48:51
Derozan can’t shoot either. Rather keep elite defense and playmaking.


2.) 25 Jun 2021 20:52:35
Bulls can't send 2024 pick to Philly because 2023 pick is going to Orlando.


3.) 25 Jun 2021 20:54:01
good luck getting that one through the CBA.
and what would make you think these signed and traded players all want to go where you're sending them? . they have the control, not the GMs.


4.) 25 Jun 2021 22:22:29
I think Philly could do better.


5.) 25 Jun 2021 23:05:13
Orlando has the Bulls 2024 1st and you can't have more than 1 sign and trade involved in a trade.


6.) 25 Jun 2021 23:37:50
actually you can have move than one sign and trade involved in a trade. See the Dlo-Durant trade as an example.


7.) 26 Jun 2021 03:09:56
First, DeRozan is a very good shooter (50% FG) and (88% FT) . He averages 20 points per game for his career. Just because he doesn't shoot 3s doesn't mean he can't shoot.

Second, my bad, make it 2025 and 2027 picks from Chicago.

Third, it is a given that the sign and trade players have to accept in order for it to work. Since I don't personally know DeRozan, I can't speak to where he wants to play, but it is logical that he would want to go to a contender if possible (like Philly) . Without a sign and trade, the only playoff team that DeMar could go to and still get paid is the knicks. As far as Markkanen is concerned, he would not sign the agreement if he didn't want to go to the Spurs.

Forth, Philly might well do better for Simmons. Then again they may not.

Fifth, Orlando has Chicago's 2023 or 2024 pick. The most likely is that Orlando gets Chicago's 2024 pick. There is no rule prohibiting more than one player in a sign and trade deal.


8.) 26 Jun 2021 03:42:16
2025 first doest work either because of the protections on the 2023 pick.


9.) 26 Jun 2021 04:49:35
So I figured out (I think) how this could work within the CBA, but I'm not sure the Spurs would be too enthusiastic
You would first have to sign and trade deRozan for Simmons, If deRozan agreed to sign for, say, $25M/ yr for 3 years Philly could save $8M (salary would have to be close to 25 anyways for the deal to go through CBA)
Then the Spurs could trade Simmons to the Bulls for one of the Orlando picks and a signed Markkanen. Problem is you would have to pay Markkanen close to $21 million/ yr for 3 years to get the deal through the CBA. You cannot combine Aminu's salary here. Only the 1st year has to be guaranteed, but why would the player agree to only a 1 year $21M guarantee?
If the Spurs bit on the overpay (debatable by how much) you could then execute a side deal to send Aminu to San Antonio for a conditional 2028 2nd, and have Philly send a conditional 2028 2nd for the other Orlando pick.
Stucturally it works. I don't think the Spurs do it, but I admit that I'm not a Markkanen fan.


10.) 26 Jun 2021 05:00:39
3pt shooting is shooting. That’s what will help spread the floor for Embiid in the post. Why trade 1 player who won’t shoot 3s for another player who won’t shoot 3s.


11.) 26 Jun 2021 09:12:45
@windrap. Bulls don't have Orlando picks. Orlando has bulls picks.


 

 

25 Jun 2021 18:32:16
76ers - Bulls - Spurs

- 76ers trade Ben Simmons to Bulls.

- Bulls Sign Markkanen to 4 yr. 81.0mm contract, trade to Spurs along with Aminu and 2024 1st round pick. Bulls trade Coby White to 76ers.

- Spurs sign DeRozan to 3 yr. 81.1mm contract, trade to 76ers.

Warlock

1.) 25 Jun 2021 21:01:27
if markkanen is signed and traded you cannot include another bull player in the deal.


2.) 25 Jun 2021 23:05:45
Can't send another player along with one who is getting signed and traded.


3.) 26 Jun 2021 04:20:39
Y can’t you.


 

 

27 May 2021 04:19:49
Spurs - Mavericks - Bulls Sign and Trade

Spurs get: Lauri Markkanen, Dwight Powell.

Mavericks get: DeMar DeRozan.

Bulls get: Josh Richardson (opt-in).

Spurs get their #1 FA target in Markkanen and a decent backup Center in Powell.

Mavericks get a star playmaker/scorer in DeRozan to help Luka and preserve enough cap space to re-sign Hardaway Jr.

Bulls save face for letting Markkanen go by getting a good player in Richardson.

Warlock

1.) 27 May 2021 06:53:09
luka needs to be surrounded by 3pt shooters he doesn't need another creator like derozan. he needs to be surrounded by shooters to be most effective. sure another player who can score quickly in a variety of ways will help when doubled in the playoffs but derozans isn't the guy he needs.


2.) 27 May 2021 12:00:28
if markkanen wants to play for the Spurs they will have cap space to sign him
if derozan wants to play for the Mavs they can create the cap space to sign him
spurs already have a good backup 5 in Poetl.


 

 

25 May 2021 03:07:32
Sign and Trade

Spurs trade Demar DeRozen

Blazers trade: Derrick Jones, Jr. and Zach Collins

Assumptions: Jones, Jr. opts-in. Collins (RFA) agrees to deal with Spurs. DeRozen agrees to deal with Blazers for combined Blazer salaries plus $5mm for first year of 3 year deal.

Warlock

1.) 25 May 2021 16:36:36
I really don’t like the fit of Derozan in Portland. He’s like McCollum, but can’t shoot from 3. I’d rather bring Powell back than get Derozan.


2.) 25 May 2021 19:36:09
So you are talking about S&Ting Deronzen at $13 mil (Collins pay raise=what Kuzma got) + $9.7 mil (for Jones opting into) + $5 mil trade for a total of $27.7 mil in the first year. This will increase Portland's salary for next year (assuming Powell opts in) to $140+ mil and a Hard cap imposed at $143 mil. Portland still has to fill 3 vacant roster spots while staying under the Hard Cap.

Plus, you still got to get Collins WILLING to sign to go to San Antonio and DeRozen to go to Portland which is not a guaranteed things and I think DeRozen is going to go ring chasing.


 

 

 

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19 Oct 2020 23:08:38
CHA - SAS

Charlotte gets: Rudy Gay, Lonnie Walker, 2020 1st (#11)

San Antonio gets: 2020 1st (#3)

Warlock

1.) 20 Oct 2020 22:54:21
Keldon Johnson and another first instead of Gay makes it closer.


 

 

 

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16 Jul 2021 06:51:14
1. They get out from under Love's 60mm contract.
2. They get value for Sexton who they fear will want a max deal next year and they won't want to or be able to match.
3. They get two first round picks #12 and #22.
4. They get a potential replacement (Horton-Tucker) for Sexton who they would not be able to get without a sign and trade. They have been rumored to be interested in him.
5. They get two good players to help their rebuild or if they don't work out are tradeable.

Maybe both Spurs (2022 protected) and Lakers (2027) could add a future 1st pick to sweeten the deal for Cavs.

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26 Jun 2021 03:09:56
First, DeRozan is a very good shooter (50% FG) and (88% FT) . He averages 20 points per game for his career. Just because he doesn't shoot 3s doesn't mean he can't shoot.

Second, my bad, make it 2025 and 2027 picks from Chicago.

Third, it is a given that the sign and trade players have to accept in order for it to work. Since I don't personally know DeRozan, I can't speak to where he wants to play, but it is logical that he would want to go to a contender if possible (like Philly) . Without a sign and trade, the only playoff team that DeMar could go to and still get paid is the knicks. As far as Markkanen is concerned, he would not sign the agreement if he didn't want to go to the Spurs.

Forth, Philly might well do better for Simmons. Then again they may not.

Fifth, Orlando has Chicago's 2023 or 2024 pick. The most likely is that Orlando gets Chicago's 2024 pick. There is no rule prohibiting more than one player in a sign and trade deal.

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24 Jun 2021 22:14:30
Simmons is a big risk (salary) and big reward (defense/ potential) prospect. Spurs are a risk adverse organization. I don't think they want to trade Murray or any of their young core players. IMO the Spurs would only entertain a deal for Simmons if it was a sign and trade for DeRozan. Spurs may have to add something to the deal, but not much.

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27 May 2021 06:37:36
Sure DeRozan can leave SA, but he couldn't go to Toronto. There are only a handful of teams that can afford to pay him and most are bad teams. By agreeing to a sign and trade, his options expand greatly.

San Antonio could do a deal with Toronto just as easily as Golden State. I think DeRozan would be cheaper than Wiggins. Also, DeRozan would be signed up for 3/ 4 years where Wiggins would be on an expiring deal and DeRozan is a fan favorite in Toronto. The Spurs could offer draft picks and one of their talented young players.

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27 May 2021 06:15:41
Actually, S&T deals must be for 3 or 4 years with the 1st year fully guaranteed. No options allowed and only 5% raises per year allowed.

Oubre Jr., is good enough to merrit a 3 year guaranteed deal. If not part of this deal, someone else will offer it to him. So make it 3 guaranteed years.

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