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20 Jan 2021 10:36:24
SAC - BOS

Sacramento receives: Nesmith, R. Williams, Edwards

Boston receives: Barnes, Whiteside, James, '21 MEM 2nd rd pick

SAC depth:
Fox / Joseph / Edwards
Hield / Haliburton / Ramsey
Robinson / Nesmith / Jeffries / Woodard
Bagley / Bjelica / Parker
Holmes / Williams

BOS depth:
Walker / Pritchard / Teague
Smart / Langford / Green / James
Brown / Barnes
Tatum / Williams / Ojeleye
Thompson / Theis / Whiteside

SAC gets young prospects, opens up cap space, and focuses on more of a long-term rebuild. Barnes might be near the peak of his trade value right now, so selling high makes sense. Nesmith in particular could fit really well next to Fox and Haliburton in the long term.

BOS makes use of their trade exception, replaces Hayward with Barnes, gets Whiteside to have another option against bigger Center matchups, and also gets a 2nd rd pick.

kh28

1.) 20 Jan 2021 10:59:52
celtics have no cap space to absorb Barnes salary.


2.) 20 Jan 2021 11:53:32
They can get Barnes with their TPE but they won't want the other bums. Something like Edwards and a pick for Barnes.


3.) 20 Jan 2021 14:10:53
Cant combine players and TPEs in a trade.


4.) 20 Jan 2021 19:08:28
Fredman have you doublechecked that? My understanding is that you can, but if the TPE is worth 20 mil, even if you add 10 mil in salary, you still can't trade for a player making more than the 20 mil. I've heard Ainge talk about it, unless he's wrong.


5.) 20 Jan 2021 20:37:52
So long as the incoming salaries are less than the $28.5m TPE, Boston can acquire multiple players with the TPE.


6.) 20 Jan 2021 21:33:11
@Nightcap. There is a issue of semantics that has to be addressed. What Danny Ainge is talking about is technically two separate trades according to the NBA's CBA. One is non-simultaneous (Boston gets Barnes using the TPE which completes the Hayward trade to Charlotte, SAC getting pick) and a simultaneous trade Edwards to SAC (SAC is using their newly available cap space with Barnes departure and Boston receives a new $1.5 mil TPE) .

The problem with this is that Sacramento has to "trust" Danny Ainge to complete the 2nd trade after getting Barnes in the first. Additionally, the NBA head offices may void these trades because many issues can arise if, let's say, Barnes fails his physical. Sac still has the cap room to keep Edwards while taking Barnes back. Should that "second" trade be voided as well? The CBA would say No.


7.) 20 Jan 2021 21:34:05
Nightcap - I can understand wanting to keep Williams, but I think the minimum asking price for Barnes would be straight up for Nesmith. I probably messed up treating Edwards as a throw-in, though. Boston has an interesting problem at PG now that Pritchard seems to have panned out.


8.) 20 Jan 2021 21:35:04
@Nightcap. Funny thing is also to look back at the history of trades in the NBA under this CBA and you will not find one completed as Danny Ainge describes. Not saying that you can't, but there is probably a reason why it has not been done yet. Just additional food for thought.


9.) 20 Jan 2021 22:07:27
That's true I couldn't find any like described, although it doesn't seem to happen a lot either way. The way I've read it everywhere was that players can't be combined, meaning you can't affect the TPE with other players, meaning having a 10mil TPE and trading a 5mil player, still limits you to an acquired player worth 10mil. Maybe I'm wrong but I've done a lot of looking including at the CBA. I know you can't combine players to create a TPE, meaning they couldn't have traded Hayward plus Kanter in the same deal. It's probably a moot point anyway since they could structure a deal as multiple trades if needed.


10.) 20 Jan 2021 22:12:39
This is one explanation I've seen, but hey maybe they're wrong too-

Question 3: What are the rules?

-It can be used to bring in a player via trade without matching salaries. It however CANNOT be aggregated with other player salary to increase its value. A 30 million dollar TPE CANNOT be combined with the 5 million dollar Theis contract to bring back 35 million for example. However it can be used in conjunction with player (s) in a trade. For example, if you wanted to acquire Aaron Gordon 18.1 million dollar contract in exchange for Romeo Langford (3.6 million) + a 1st round pick at the trade deadline you could. Gordon would simply be absorbed into the 30 million TPE. That creates a 18.1 million dollar TPE for ORL. Romeo Langford is then in effect absorbed into THAT new TPE leaving ORL with Langford, a 1st and a 14.5 million dollar TPE.

-It cannot be used to sign a free agents; however IT CAN be used to acquire a free agent via S&T. Since free agency is basically over this year it doesn’t matter this offseason, but it might next. However, keep in mind doing so triggers the hard cap, and with Tatum’s contract extension kicking in it would be very hard, if not impossible to acquire a player in a sign and trade using the TPE and get below the hard cap. Kemba + Jaylen + Smart + Tatum alone would count 109 million against the hard cap next year which is probably going to be around 140 million. Keep in mind you then need to fill out the rest of your roster, so even using 15 million of the TPE for a S&T puts you at 124 leaving you only 16 million for 10 spots. Not really feasible. So to use a sizable part of the TPE in a S&T next off season likely means someone (probably Kemba) has to be traded for little to no salary coming back. Now if the free agent is worth it maybe that's okay.


11.) 21 Jan 2021 00:55:49
@nightcap. Your A. Gordon fails to go into detail concerning non-simutanous and simutaneous trade distinctions listed in the CBA. It can happen, but would follow a 2 seperate trade format. Completing the non-simulous trade znd then a simulous trade.


 

 

08 Jan 2021 17:31:02
SAC - ORL

Sacramento receives: Gordon, Carter-Williams

Orlando receives: Bagley, Joseph, LAL '21 2nd via SAC

SAC depth:
Fox / Haliburton / Carter-Williams
Hield / James / Ramsey
Barnes / Robinson / Jeffries / Woodard
Gordon / Bjelica / Parker
Holmes / Whiteside

ORL depth:
Joseph / Anthony / Fultz (injured)
Fournier / Ross
Bacon / Ennis / Isaac (injured)
Bagley / Okeke / Clark / Aminu (injured)
Vucevic / Birch / Bamba

kh28

1.) 08 Jan 2021 19:14:21
Hell no!


2.) 08 Jan 2021 19:19:47
I like this deal thanks man.


3.) 08 Jan 2021 19:59:54
HELL NO!


4.) 08 Jan 2021 21:34:53
Of course you like a deal that is favoring your team lmao.


5.) 08 Jan 2021 23:50:10
I take kuz over Bagley.


6.) 09 Jan 2021 02:18:33
Absolutely.


 

 

06 Jan 2021 11:19:09
SAC - MIN

Sacramento receives: Culver, Vanderbilt

Minnesota receives: Bagley, James

SAC depth:
Fox / Haliburton / Joseph
Hield / Culver / Ramsey
Barnes / Robinson / Jeffries / Woodard
Bjelica / Vanderbilt / Parker
Holmes / Whiteside

MIN depth:
Russell / Rubio
Beasley / James / Nowell
Edwards / Okogie / Layman
Bagley / Hernangomez / McDaniels
Towns / Reid / Davis

kh28

1.) 06 Jan 2021 11:31:22
If Kings trade away Bagley, they are gong to need a "starter" level big in return (preferably one not on an expiring deal)


 

 

20 Dec 2020 09:17:53
SAC - UTA - CHI

Sacramento receives: Porter, Satoransky

Utah receives: Barnes, Joseph, future 2nd via SAC

Chicago receives: Conley, Jeffries, future 2nd via SAC

SAC depth:
Fox / Haliburton
Hield / Satoransky / James / Ramsey
Porter / Robinson / Woodard
Bagley / Bjelica / Parker
Holmes / Whiteside / FA

UTA depth:
Joseph / Clarkson / Harrison
Mitchell / Oni / Hughes
Bogdanovic / Ingles / Morgan
Barnes / O'Neale / Niang
Gobert / Favors / Azubuike

CHI depth:
Conley / White / Arcidiacono
LaVine / Temple / Valentine
Williams / Hutchinson / Jeffries
Markkanen / Young
Carter / Gafford / Kornet / Felicio

Sacramento trades for players who have a chance to be a better fit with the current roster, and also gains future cap flexibility.

Utah addresses a need at the forward position and gains depth in return for Conley, who they may lose for nothing after this season. They would not have had cap space to spend next off-season, and Joseph only has a small guarantee for '21-'22 if he doesn't work out well enough.

Chicago gets veteran leadership, clears playing time for Patrick Williams, and clears $10m in '21-'22 cap space by shedding Satoransky's contract.

kh28

1.) 20 Dec 2020 16:02:00
big NO from Sac. Rather have Barnes than Porter and Satoransky is pointless as Guy has pretty much won the back up PG job during preseason. Especially if we are giving up picks as well.


 

 

27 Nov 2020 05:29:52
SAC - IND

Sacramento receives: Doug McDermott

Indiana receives: Nemanja Bjelica

SAC depth:
Fox / Joseph
Hield / Haliburton / James / Ramsey
Barnes / McDermott / Jeffries / Woodard
Bagley / Parker / Kaminsky
Holmes / Whiteside

IND depth:
Brodgon / Holiday / McConnell / Lecque
Oladipo / Lamb / Sumner
Warren / Holiday / Martin
Sabonis / Bjelica / Sampson
Turner / Bitadze

kh28

1.) 27 Nov 2020 11:34:54
Why would Sacramento trade its only stretch 4/ 5 for a backup wing when they already have rookies to develop as backup wings?


2.) 27 Nov 2020 13:07:13
I dunno. Value seems fair, but Fred is right.


3.) 27 Nov 2020 22:04:13
They have Kaminsky now as a stretch 4/ 5, and are definitely more thin at SF. While I agree that it would be ideal for Jeffries / Woodard to develop as much as possible, what's the likelihood that they hurt the development of the rest of the team because they aren't ready for it? Also, I think Barnes, Jeffries, and Woodard will spend some time at PF in small lineups.


 

 

 

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20 Jan 2021 21:34:05
Nightcap - I can understand wanting to keep Williams, but I think the minimum asking price for Barnes would be straight up for Nesmith. I probably messed up treating Edwards as a throw-in, though. Boston has an interesting problem at PG now that Pritchard seems to have panned out.

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20 Jan 2021 20:37:52
So long as the incoming salaries are less than the $28.5m TPE, Boston can acquire multiple players with the TPE.

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19 Jan 2021 09:13:19
Holmes is way more valuable than Monk.

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11 Jan 2021 12:24:35
SAC would rather just try to sign him to an offer sheet this summer.

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27 Nov 2020 22:04:13
They have Kaminsky now as a stretch 4/ 5, and are definitely more thin at SF. While I agree that it would be ideal for Jeffries / Woodard to develop as much as possible, what's the likelihood that they hurt the development of the rest of the team because they aren't ready for it? Also, I think Barnes, Jeffries, and Woodard will spend some time at PF in small lineups.

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