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27 May 2016 16:06:58
There's now speculation that the Lakers are interested in Bender over Ingram. We have the potential for another Hardaway, Webber, Bradley situation. Look it up.
Sixers draft Simmons, Lakers take Bender, Celts take Ingram.
Sixers trade Simmons for Ingram and Bradley or Smart or future BKN pick.
(Since this has never been talked about before, will need a little help putting value on the flip of 1 and 3.)
1.) 27 May 2016 16:13:55
The "speculation" you are talking about was really just a writer making a point as to why Lakers should consider drafting Bender over Ingram.
2.) 27 May 2016 16:16:54
Lakers is going to draft Ingram.
3.) 27 May 2016 16:27:28
Can pretty much tell you with 100 percent certainty two things:
1. If the Lakers take Bender, Boston will take Simmons/ Ingram at 3 and keep him.
2. If the Simmons/ Ingram go 1/ 2 or 2/ 1, Philly MAY be able to get No. 3 for Okafor. But forget getting #3 and a rotation player. Best 76ers could get is 3 and 23. And because 2nd-round contracts are not guaranteed, Philly would be better off with 31 rather than 23.
4.) 27 May 2016 18:20:40
Supercollider.
First off. The Celtics gm talked about putting together a package for Okafor at the deadline. Package meaning more then just the third pick.
Second. Sixers would never do Okafor to a rival unless blown away and the third pick this year doesn't come close to his value
Thirdly I don't see why Boston would keep Ingram or Simmons. they would pick trade the pick for more value because they already have a sg and sf. They have plenty of depth as well. Just doesn't make sense. They need a center!
5.) 27 May 2016 18:53:46
If we need a center so bad and already have shooting guards and small forwards why would we trade away our starting shooting guard and all 1st team defense along with another small forward (which we only had Crowder as small forwards last season) for a power forward? If Ingram falls to us at 3 we are either keeping him or trading him for George, Butler or Cousins. Obviously not straight up but he will headline the package.
6.) 27 May 2016 18:55:43
Also that package you are referring to I believe didn't revolve around the Brooklyn pick. It was other assets like out pick, Dallas' pick and some players. Our GM said that we weren't trading the Brooklyn pick unless it was for an already established all star.
7.) 27 May 2016 19:44:35
Never believe anything that comes out of Danny Ainge's mouth.
8.) 27 May 2016 20:26:09
If the Lakers really wanted Bender, they could trade down with the Celtics and get more assets and pick Bender at 3 if the Csltics really want Ingram.
9.) 27 May 2016 21:41:29
@phillyrich1 but I guess we can believe speculation?
24 May 2016 15:00:43
Toronto making a statement!
However, Biyombo has a player option this year, will opt out and Toronto will try to keep him for at least $10m per year. Terrance Ross has an extension kicking in next year for about $10m per year. DeRozen spoke very very highly of Toronto last night. He'll opt out and stay in Toronto for a $10m raise.
Here's the deal: Terrance Ross goes to the Sixers for Canada's own Nick Stauskas. Sixers also get Deion Wright, PG in the deal as compensation for taking on Ross's contract.
1.) 24 May 2016 16:34:52
No says Toronto.
2.) 24 May 2016 17:16:24
Raptors would probably want the OKC pick for Ross.
3.) 24 May 2016 18:16:40
Ross has a terrible contract for his calaber of player. Sixers pass on the 10 mil for the next three years. No need to waste money on an average player.
4.) 24 May 2016 18:44:42
His contract is going to look pretty good in about 6 weeks time.
5.) 24 May 2016 19:41:45
Triangle.
So your telling me back ups are going to make 10 million a year?
6.) 24 May 2016 20:47:32
Tregib with the new cap, players will get crazy contracts, there already are bench players making that much like Frye who gets like 8 million. Be prepared for contracts that will be making you scratch your head.
7.) 25 May 2016 01:15:51
The Ross contract may not look bad in a few months. However, given the increase for DeRozen and Biyambo plus the Ross contract kicking in, someone will probably have to go. That's AT LEAST a $30m increase to the cap.
Ross gets little significant time. The PG gets no significant time. Stauskas makes very little and is Canadian. Don't underplay the Canadian thing. My gosh, Toronto signed Bennett earlier this year. Why? HE'S CANADIAN!
I know the talent match up is a little weird but this is about dollars and keeping DeRozen and the new hero, Biyambo. I guess if they want the OKC pick too I really don't care that much.
21 May 2016 14:48:13
Recent conversation:
Okafor to Lakers
#2 pick to Sixers.
Lakers wind up with picks 2 and 3 from last year's draft and get their franchise Center.
Sixers get picks 1 and 2 from this years draft and land both Ingram and Simmons.
(Lakers will probably have to move Randall; perhaps Nance takes his spot as a defensive presence. )
1.) 21 May 2016 15:23:44
Philly, Lakers would rather have Ingram as they were impressed with their interview and would be "thrilled to get him". He provides nice spacing and could be a solid defender and could be a 20 point scorer. Okafor doesn't fit Waltons new system.
2.) 21 May 2016 15:30:09
Lakers don't want Okafor. Back to the basket centers aren't needed anymore.
3.) 21 May 2016 15:59:58
That's horrible for the Lakers. Okafor was exactly what he was advertised to be; a really good scorer with subpar defense and a lack of elite athleticism (Al Jefferson in his prime) .
The top 2 players in the draft project to be far better than Okafor, and the Lakers decided to pass on him at 2 last year. Why would they trade a better player at #2 this year for a guy they passed on last year?
4.) 21 May 2016 16:03:51
Would be incredible for the sixers. But not worth it for the lakers. Ingram and Simmons both project out better than okafor. Both have top notch two way potential. At this point, okafor is an offensive specialist.
5.) 21 May 2016 16:59:23
It's more likely it would be Oakfor and the lakers pick returned next year for the 2 pick. Lakers might agree to that too as it helps them a lot.
18 May 2016 13:45:50
Sixers- Suns
Sixers get #4 and B. Knight
Suns get Okafor, Covington and Lakers pick
SIxers: Knight, Murray, Ingram, Saric, Noel
Why:
Sixers have legit starting lineup, real NBA guard that might bring legitimacy to the Sixers for FA signings, and clear the logjam up front. If they pick Ingram and Saric comes over, Covington doesn't have a spot. Sixers still have the Kings pick for the future.
Suns clear the logjam in the back court, get the LA pick back for next year's deeper draft, get dynamic big man, and still pick at 13. Get serviceable shooter in Covington.
1.) 18 May 2016 14:09:24
As the Suns I'm all over this. Okafor > #4, Laker pick > Knight.
2.) 18 May 2016 14:38:37
Hmmm. it ain't bad. Suns woukd then need to find a "home" for Chandler somewhere. and then possibly package #13 and #28.to move up in this draft to.8,9.where there are some intriguing projects (Sabonis, Valentine) .
3.) 18 May 2016 14:52:07
It's a tough call. I don't like knight though so I would pass.
4.) 18 May 2016 19:06:43
PHXfan, there is no way 13 and 28 get you to 8 or 9. In 2014 the Bulls used the 19th pick to move up from 16 to 11. So the 28th pick won't move you up 5 slots.
And since you Phoenix fans like this so much, I must have undervalued the trade. I'm now asking for #13 from Phoenix and the Sixers will give #24.
5.) 18 May 2016 21:53:52
Ironically last year Knight was traded for that very same Lakers pick as part of a 3 team trade so I wonder how that would influence the trade dynamics (not sure if he was resigned at that point so could influence the value also with injury last year) . However, with the Lakers predicted to potentially make some major moves this offseason that Lakers pick can't have nearly as much value.
I like the original trade with slight amendment. Suns throw in their 28th pick (I think the 13th pick is too high even if Sixers give back the 24th AND 26th)
18 May 2016 13:36:51
With the draft order set, this is going to be a fantastic off-season for trades.
Sixers: Ingram
Lakers: Simmons
Celtics: Bender
All these picks fit a team need.
Which brings us to the Suns and Wolves. This is where the guards start to go off the board. And the Suns and Wolves do not need more guards.
1.) 18 May 2016 14:19:05
suns should trade up to top 2 or down to 6 or 7 and take brown.
2.) 18 May 2016 22:01:07
I agree with trade potential especially with some stars who look available and teams cautious of players leaving for nothing next summer and wanting to offload them before value tanks next year.
I think Celtics will be look aggressively to trade their pick as they don't want a potential project in Bender and have truck-load of picks and pieces to make moves to turn themselves into a contender.
As far as the Suns I think they need to make a move to trade Knight or Bledsoe since Booker needs to start. It also makes sense for them to potentially move this pick. They also have young pieces in Warren and Lens and #13 and #28 picks that could be part of a big deal (and likely want to shed Chandler's contract) .
For the Twolves I don't think they are in love with Rubio as they've been shopping him so I could see them keeping the pick and drafting Dunn or Murray as they continue to shop him. They could try and group them in a big trade but I see them as least likely to make a deal as they already have a young lineup with their stars in place and just need to get them experience and grow up maybe sign some veterans for more of a tutoring role than playing large number of minutes.
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31 May 2016 15:29:54
According to PVI, NBA top players
Curry
Westbrook
James
Durant
Harden
Leonard
Paul
Lowry
George
Lillard
Cousins
I. Thomas
Millsap
K. Walker
DeRozen
A. Davis
D. Green
Butler
C. Anthony
Wall
Aldridge
P. Gasol
R. Jackson
KA Towns
G. Hayward
Whiteside
D. Wade
A. Horford
B. Lopez
K. Irving.
30 May 2016 13:46:35
I'm back on Simmons for #1 pick. He really does have a nice release on his jumper. He just never shot it because he didn't have to.
And if Saric doesn't come over then don't need to trade okafor or Noel.
1.) 30 May 2016 14:30:59
Phillyrich : I agree, Simmons is the pick. I am hoping Dario comes over, the sixers need as much talent on the rostwr as possible.
2.) 30 May 2016 14:35:35
Saric is coming over.
3.) 30 May 2016 15:05:34
Saric SAYS he's coming over yet hasn't signed anything yet. It might be in his best interest and that of the Sixers if he stays one more year. That gives Sixers a year to see if Embiid can hold up before trading someone.
4.) 31 May 2016 16:07:02
Philly. Saric can't sign anything until the playoffs are over.
29 May 2016 21:26:16
Clarification from anyone would be helpful.
If the Sixers trade the Lakers back their pick, what happens to the Lakers obligation to Orlando?
And because of the Stpien Rule, I think it matters if the pick is traded back to the Lakers before or after this upcoming draft.
1.) 30 May 2016 04:44:59
Well as of now the lakers owe the Magic the pick two years after the Sixers pick conveys. So I would assume. If we trade the pick back to them then two years from 2016/ 17 the pick would go to the magic assumin the protection meet, etc.
So not next years draft but the year after. But I'm not 100 on that.
2.) 30 May 2016 13:43:51
Two years or two drafts? If trade is before this draft then Orlando pick next year?
27 May 2016 19:50:22
Does D. Rose have any trade value?
His contract is yuge, he can walk after this next year, his game has declined, he's got knee issues, and he might have an additude problem too.
Do the Bulls get assets in a trade of Rose or give assets in a trade of Rose?
1.) 27 May 2016 20:09:09
Pacers should really consider trading for him. Maybe George Hill and #20 can get the deal done?
2.) 27 May 2016 21:01:56
Rose definitely has value still. If you look at the first month or two, then no. But he really picked it up from February on. Guy was averaging like 20pts, 5rb, 5 assts, 45% fg and 35% 3. He definitely appeared more like his old self. Think its jsut a bad matchup having him and Butler in the same backcourt. Not enough ball to go around.
3.) 28 May 2016 05:01:19
Philly you made me get out my Drose shirt and made me shoot some hoops. Thanks.
26 May 2016 15:50:08
I"m back on Ingram with the top pick. He's a stud, no baggage, has the right addytude, plays a position of need.
Okafor and Noel are off the market. going to run them and Embiid and Saric as the bigs.
Anyone want to make offers for J. Grant or R. Holmes?
1.) 26 May 2016 15:51:27
J Grant to Lakers for pick 32.
2.) 26 May 2016 16:37:39
Done. There will be a couple decent guard prospects at 32. Or I can use 32 to move up with my 24/ 26 picks.
3.) 26 May 2016 18:14:55
I got these cheeseburgers.
4.) 26 May 2016 20:55:23
Fries?
5.) 26 May 2016 22:15:50
I actually wouldn't mind grant. What would you take for him.
6.) 27 May 2016 19:41:11
That's a good question. I think he's been terribly coached. For some reason he either shoots three pointers or crashes through players for 3 footers. If he could build the in-between game he'd be very effective. Actually a good shot blocker. Doesn't have a big contract or big ego. He still has 2 years left for basically nothing. Perfect bench guy.
7.) 27 May 2016 23:13:43
Hmm. Any interest in a bazz for grant and an early 2nd?
06 Jun 2016 22:20:39
Like it. Not sure Murray is there at 5 but heild or Dunn will be.
06 Jun 2016 01:52:40
Okafor is a bust.
Made me laugh.
06 Jun 2016 00:16:01
It was all perfect- until you had to go Dionne waiters.
05 Jun 2016 16:18:56
Teague has a funky contract that can be renegotiated and extended 3 years after signing. So that's in July. If he agrees to a big hike this year ($17m? ) and a reasonable 3 year extension, I'm not opposed. He will be aging out just as lottery guys are ready to take over. He also makes it easier to bring in a mid tier FA guard to play along side.
Remember, Sixers have up to 5 lottery picks in 17, 18, 19 drafts with possibly two in the 4-8 range next year. Those guards will be learning from then taking over for Teague or someone like him.
05 Jun 2016 14:30:38
For as much as I mock James Young (who I liked coming out of the draft), RJ Hunter has actually scored fewer points than he has. That's right. Hunter has scored 97 career points vs Young's 134. However, combined, they average more ppg than Anthony Bennett. So there's that.
Maybe these are two young kids that need a fresh start. But they really don't carry much trade value. Maybe they're each worth a 2nd rounder?
As for the trade, Sixers get #3 for Ok4. They can turn that into my guy Jamal Murray. All in all, I don't think Boston pays enough for Butler in this deal.
08 Jun 2016 02:26:43
No comment. But I hate you all.
07 Jun 2016 21:26:42
In case you're coming to this late, to recap, Winston compared Kris Dunn to his skanky prom date.
Carry on.
07 Jun 2016 18:41:00
I'll take the 80s:
Magic Johnson
Michael Jordan
Julius Erving
Larry Bird
Kareem/ Moses Malone.
07 Jun 2016 18:36:06
Depends which team. For a the Mavericks or Spurs (if Parker retires), I want Rubio.
07 Jun 2016 18:34:11
I think OKC definitely revamps the roster. They go ALL IN with full knowledge that if it blows up, Durant and maybe Westbrook are gone and they become a lottery team for a couple of years.