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07 Jun 2021 18:40:40
Porzingis for Gordon Hayward


1.) 07 Jun 2021 20:34:46
That one is actually a little interesting. Just don't know how Doncic-Heyward work especially on the defensive end.

2.) 07 Jun 2021 20:34:49
The Unicorn for Kemba.

3.) 07 Jun 2021 21:17:04
Why? Hornets thrived with Hayward.

4.) 08 Jun 2021 01:22:36
fredman i agree defensively but you're not acknowledging how great of an offensive fit it would be. how would hayward and doncic not be a clean fit offensively?

5.) 09 Jun 2021 00:55:27
ahooper, name me a player that would not be a fit with Doncic? The only ones I see are ball-dominant PGs.

But I can see a ton of players that are not a defensive fit with Doncic.



28 May 2021 15:09:14
If Clips go out in round 1, I could definitely see Kawhi wanting out. Perhaps he wants to stay in Cali and join the Warriors. They can only make that work via sign and trade.

Clips get Wiseman
***They get a high profile prospect in return for losing Kawhi and avoid overpaying a lesser talent in taking on Wiggins. They can either roll out a team built around pg or trade him. They also shed Kennard in the process.

Warriors get Kawhi, Kennard
***They put Kawhi with Steph plus a recuperated Klay. Enough said.

Thunder get Wiggins, 15th pick via Warriors
***They missed out on this pick just barely and get it anyways by taking on Wiggins. Wiggins low key tears it up when he's playing in okc. Plus they could use his scoring on the wing with all the young players. Adding another pick doesn't hurt.


1.) 28 May 2021 16:14:10
I won't say categorically that there's no way this can work under the S&T rules but it would take some manipulation if it is possible. Kennard could not be combined with Leonard, so you would need a companion trade that meets the rules in order to include him. the bigger issue, I believe, is how you get Kawhi to GSW. S&T would mean the Warriors would be hard capped, but over the hard cap. Klay, Steph and Draymond salaries add up to 109M. Kawhi will be signing for supermax beginning at 45M. that would put them well beyond the hard cap. so you'll need to add a trade of one of the existing big 3 to make this make sense.
Not suggesting it can't be done, but as proposed it won't work. back to the drawing board.

2.) 28 May 2021 16:41:05
The Clippers have tons of leverage. The Warriors would move heaven and earth to get Kawhi. They’d be giving up a bunch of picks. Wiseman and both their 1sts this year would have to be in the deal. The Clippers are risking not having wiseman. The Warriors would be risking not having Kawhi in negotiations.

3.) 28 May 2021 17:25:20
Warriors get George

Clippers get Wiggins wisemen and pick 4-6 plus any other picks Golden state can give plus any other player clippers want other then Klay green or Curry.

4.) 28 May 2021 18:57:51
Kawhi wants to lead his own team by its defensive identity, only 1 team make sense. No trades needed. And he gets 50 mil per yr.

5.) 28 May 2021 20:06:30
Looks like a extreme overpay for George.

6.) 29 May 2021 00:07:34
If that's a overpay then warriors should be able to get the best player on trade market.



19 May 2021 02:59:53
Haven't posted in a while.

Wolves get Love

Cavs get Rubio, 2nd (minny), 2nd (okc)

Okc gets Beasley

(Working in reverse)

Thunder could be on the upswing after the draft. They've thrived when having a super sub scorer off the bench. They absorb Beasley and put him in that role.

Cavs need to offload love. Should've happened already. This cuts their payroll significantly. They don't take on any long term money. At this point idk if they can get much more.

Minnesota takes a big swing. Love and KAT are a weird fit and reuniting with Love could be tough. Or it could work. Love can be the third guy again which was a role he thrived in. He is an incredible passer and rebounder. This doesn't cost them a first. If it works, awesome. If it doesn't, they didn't lose a ton.



1.) 19 May 2021 13:24:55
Beasley has more valueThan Love. His contract/ health makes this a bad deal for wolves.

2.) 19 May 2021 16:55:50
Beasley is very underrated imo. He’s a player Wolves should hold onto and rebuild around with Edwards.

Love has negative value and Cavs will have to pay a 2nd or so to dump him or just buy him out.

3.) 19 May 2021 17:34:42
The Wolves would need a first to take on Loves contract.

4.) 19 May 2021 18:05:55
I agree with Shiller. Beasley is probably a positive contract (a few seasons at 20 PPG and 40+% 3P), and Rubio is okay as a productive expiring.

Two years of Love at $30 mil is pretty negative. Plus, he didn’t leave MIN under the best of circumstances, bitter that David Kahn didn’t want to give him the 5 year max, only the 4 year max (back before the rule change where your team could only have one) .

5.) 20 May 2021 23:57:02
At this point, Love is a high level offensive role player and a defensive liability that can’t stay on the court and is making 30 million the next two years. The Cavs would have to get creative to get any positive assets back for him.



22 Apr 2021 14:38:43
OKC seems firm on moving on from Al Horford this offseason. I am praying we don't head for a Blake Griffin buyout type situation. I think we find a deal. Any ideas on what team could move on Horford? Here's one that make sense to me.

OKC gets Vernon Carey Jr

Hornets get Horford, two seconds

OKC gets a young guy to look at without giving up much attached to Al.

Hornets get Horford back with Hayward and Rozier. They could use a versatile big and have the cap this summer to absorb the salary. The seconds could help them round out the roster.

Thoughts? Any other destinations?


1.) 22 Apr 2021 16:09:55
I don't think its that easy for Charlotte as they have to decide what to do with Monk and Graham. In order to have the cap space for Horford, Charlotte would have to not offer Monk and Graham Qualifying Offers.

The other side of the coin is that I do not see many other teams in a position to get Horford as well. Toronto? They have the cap space but it is dependent on what happens to Lowry (S&T with Toronto taking back some salary? ) and resigning Gary Trent Jr. San Antonio is in a similar situation as Toronto with DeRozen.

I guess I am not understanding OKC "desire" to move on from Horford right now. Even with Horford's salary on the books, OKC is around $40 mil UNDER the salary floor. Are there some FA signings that OKC expects to make with all this cap space?

2.) 23 Apr 2021 12:29:19
If there wasn't a salary cap I'd be thrilled as a Raptor fan to get Al Horford. Problem is that his salary is just too high to fit in with Sikam, Fred and OG, especially with Trent getting a big raise in resticted free agency. His age puts him on a different timeline than the Raptors core.
I think his game would fit Toronto well, but his salary and age would not.

3.) 23 Apr 2021 15:41:56
keep monk forget graham no to horrors.



21 Apr 2021 12:48:16
I know I'm in the minority, but I believe it's possible Clips are one and done in the playoffs. I don't trust George. Their supporting cast isn't amazing. They just scream pretender to me despite a good season from Kawhi.

If they do lose in the first round, I can see Kawhi opting to bounce and go to an eastern conference team in free agency. I am thinking Knicks. If that happens, Clips should trade PG.

Clippers get Turner, Lavert, 2 firsts

Pacers get George


1.) 21 Apr 2021 13:41:10
I won't dispute the logic you begin with. I think they could end up with a pretty tough matchup in the first round if they end up in 3rd or 4th seed (Lakers anyone? )
But the Pacers would be incredibly stupid to give up those assets for a guy who dumped them before. A year later they'd be taking less back to get rid of him when he demands a trade.

2.) 21 Apr 2021 15:51:11
I would take out the firsts.

3.) 21 Apr 2021 17:26:39
its really a reach, but.

I keep seeing PG13 on the Warriors (Wiggins + Minny pick + extras) .

Steph/ Klay/ PG13/ Draymond/ Wiseman.

4.) 21 Apr 2021 17:50:46
I think the idea is solid but I agree w NBA that the two firsts is too much.

5.) 21 Apr 2021 17:52:21
I take PG13 back for that offer and i think that's the best the clippers ca.

6.) 21 Apr 2021 22:04:47
I believe it would be a great deal for the Pacers. PG has Sabonis and Brogdon next to him which can be a real good big 3 especially in the East not to mention still have Warren Lamb and both Holidays. They could be a sneaky contender with that deal.

7.) 22 Apr 2021 03:10:50
I hope Kawhi has enough loyalty to at least stay one more year. Kinda rubbishty to just destroy a franchise without at least putting in the full contract length.




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02 Dec 2020 11:39:53
Who has the worst contract in the NBA today?


1.) 02 Dec 2020 12:02:18
Gordon Hayward
Andrew Wiggins
Al Horford

Not in order.

2.) 02 Dec 2020 12:12:58

3.) 02 Dec 2020 12:36:06
Curry. Oh, you mean like a price-to-performance thing? Paul? Wiggins? Harris?

4.) 02 Dec 2020 13:41:35
Until he plays again and shows he’s not totally broken, it’s Wall. At least the other guys can play.

Griffin is probably second. He has had 1 season in the last 5 that he missed less than 20 games.

Horford rounds out my top 3. He’s now 33, he’s declined, and he hasn’t really been elite for years anyway.

5.) 02 Dec 2020 13:55:30
John wall. Russell Westbrook.

6.) 02 Dec 2020 19:31:21
Wall there really no debate. I don’t say Wiggins cause he can at least play every game and stay healthy. He can score just can’t lead to wins and at that time minny thought he was going to be good but he looked better in Golden state.

7.) 03 Dec 2020 09:53:42
Agree that it’s Wall until he proves that he can still play.

8.) 05 Dec 2020 14:49:28
Wall until he proves he can play and stay Healty

I don't get the Hayward signing, i'm glad he isn't comming to Indy

Westbrook and Paul are still great players

Wiggins is still young and he could flurish in GS

B Griffin is propably donne too.



15 Nov 2020 14:44:07
Trade season begins tomorrow at noon!!


1.) 15 Nov 2020 15:01:03
Yay! I'm really excited.

2.) 15 Nov 2020 15:35:25
Which season's salary cap for tomorrow?

3.) 16 Nov 2020 00:29:36
it's still the same i think. 109.1 million.



26 Oct 2020 14:31:31
Chris Paul to the ______ for _______.

Fill in the blanks! What is Paul's value and what team actually makes sense. I am a Thunder fan but want to know what's plausible.


1.) 26 Oct 2020 15:37:16
Knicks for a late first.

2.) 27 Oct 2020 08:04:32
Knicks for expiring contracts and the Clippers pick.

3.) 27 Oct 2020 10:19:12
Chris Paul needs to be on a Championship contender team. Based on his contract, a team with cap is the only fit. The Knicks or the Suns.

4.) 27 Oct 2020 14:49:05
Maybe something like Horford, Richardson, Thybulle for Paul.

Kuzma, McGee, Bradley, KCP, Green for Paul fits financially. Three guys would have to accept their player options though, which might not be realistic.

I feel like a lot of people have suggested something like Bledsoe, Hill, Ilyasovs for Paul. I guess as long as the Bucks hold onto Lopez and Divincenzo it’s decent for them.



14 Sep 2020 13:40:29
What if OKC attached picks to Paul instead of demanding assets for him in order to land a young stud?

Philly gets Paul and ___ Picks (tell me how many it would take to fairly get done)

OKC gets Simmons and Scott (included for salary)



1.) 14 Sep 2020 16:18:10
A lot, at least 5. I doubt Philly accepts.



11 Sep 2020 17:34:02
What's the best landing spot for CP3 and what's the best package OKC can get back?

Possible landing spots:

I'd either like to see him in Philly or Denver personally.



1.) 11 Sep 2020 19:29:49
Philly could really use him but I can’t imagine they’d be the highest bidder.

2.) 11 Sep 2020 19:36:44
I’d love to see cp3 in Denver.

3.) 13 Sep 2020 21:28:59





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18 Jan 2021 14:20:46
I never want to see Patrick Beverley in an OKC Thunder jersey. Ever.




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07 Jan 2021 16:53:16
Darry, I would disagree. Have you watched Hill this year? I wouldn't bash you if you hadn't. There's been zero nationally televised Thunder games this year. But Hill has played well.

Fredman, OKC can throw in a guy like Miller to get it closer. The basic framework doesn't change though. Works on the tradenba trade machine.




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28 Dec 2020 19:43:51
Shizzee, valid point. Just an idea.




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09 Dec 2020 18:22:10
2021 I'm assuming but it makes plenty of sense to me.




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25 Nov 2020 14:02:42
I never want Beverly as a member of the Thunder organization. Not even as a one day buyout guy.





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