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14 Sep 2019 15:16:55
Another Paul trade idea

Thunder get Iguodala, Williams, Crowder, Monk
***Cut salary, check. Retain most of the picks, check. Create better roster balance, check. I like this as well as I believe that Okc is a low key landing spot for Giannis one day. They'll have picks, young players, cap space, and spacing.

Hornets get Paul, 2020 Denver 1st
***With Kemba gone, they double down on remanning the pg position. If Paul works out, great. If not, they still have Rozier. They add a first. This also sends Paul East which allows him a better shot at the playoffs this season.

Grizz get Biyombo, 2020 Chicago 2nd via okc, their 2024 2nd via okc
***They won't get a 1st for Iggy, but two seconds is not bad. Plus, Biyombo can help with shot blocking and is a nice alternative to Jonas.

ChurchPugh

1.) 14 Sep 2019 17:24:02
Grizzlies will pass until trade deadline on hopes for a better offer for Iggy + Crowder (Whiteside and 2020 first, perhaps? )


2.) 14 Sep 2019 20:25:13
Or LeBron and a 1st? Since Nuric (? ) is long term injuried Portland will start Whiteside .


3.) 14 Sep 2019 22:47:49
Hmmmm. Didn't I say trade deadline? I thought I said trade deadline. Let's see. Oh, what do you know? I did say trade deadline. Also, read 2 different report suggesting Nurkic could be back by the trade deadline as well. Or can change into Iggy + Plumlee for Whiteside + Skal + pick.


 

 

14 Sep 2019 00:23:26
Picks will need to be involved. In all seriousness, how many and who gets what? I like the idea of this for all teams tho.

Boston gets Gordon, Fournier, Roberson
***Gordon needs out of Orlando in my opinion. They are super deep at front court. He fits well in Boston. He can be a true 4. Fournier would be a great bench scorer. Replace the D of Smart with Dre who has better length and an expiring contract.

Orlando gets Paul, Ojeleye
***I know... they just got Fultz, right? Why not give this team a true point who can spread the ball around and potentially take this team on a deep playoff run, and at the same time maintain a large minute count for Fultz?

Thunder get Hayward, Smart
***They'll be the team surrendering picks. But they create a better roster balance. This could be a contender if they play to potential even without a bonafide superstar because they have shooting, defense, a chip on their shoulder, a bevy of picks to help improve the roster Midseason, and versatility.

Shai, Schroder
Smart, Diallo, Burton
Hayward, Ferguson
Gallinari, Bazley, Muscala
Adams, Noel, Patton

ChurchPugh

1.) 14 Sep 2019 10:08:33
I don’t think the Thunder will be giving up picks for players that won’t make them contenders, no reason to give up PG and Russ if they didn’t want to rebuild with picks


2.) 14 Sep 2019 13:30:12
Gth, I get that mentality. But the factor you are leaving out is the cap. This puts them under with a roster space open to bring back a vet at the minimum and still be under. They’d not give up all the picks they acquired in those deals, so to me it’s still worth exploring. Appreciate the feedback.


3.) 14 Sep 2019 13:45:05
Thunder would have to give up at least one pick to get this done. Boston would as well with Orlando being the reveiver.


4.) 15 Sep 2019 16:57:22
Until Hayward proves something, I think it would cost Boston 2 1sts.


 

 

23 Aug 2019 01:21:57
How's this?

Thunder Batum and Winslow

Hornets get Dragic, Waiters, Nader

Heat get Paul, Monk, Bacon, hornets pick

Thunder move Paul... they get a bad contract but at a weaker position and a really good contract.

Hornets get two more playmakers to put with Rozier, hedging their bets. They also lose Batum.

Heat land Paul without dealing Herro or picks. Waiters wasn't in the rotation last year anyway, and Dragic is expiring. They also add a pick.

ChurchPugh

1.) 23 Aug 2019 04:16:27
Waiters a playmaker! Thanks for the laugh.


 

 

17 Aug 2019 01:19:05
Charlotte gets Dragic, Roberson
***Gets rid of the Batum contract and provides a ball handler who could play behind or next to Rozier. Costs a first but helps their payroll start fresh next summer.

Miami gets Paul, Monk, Bacon, Charlotte 2020 first
***They get the guy they've been rumored for ever since he landed in okc. They also get the asset they wanted attached to him. Provides Butler a star to play with.

Okc gets Batum, Winslow, Waiters
***They move Paul without giving up a first. They also get three guys who can been up their depth.

Shai, Schröder
Waiters, Diallo, Burton
Winslow, Ferguson
Gallinari, Bazley, Muscala
Adams, Noel

ChurchPugh

1.) 17 Aug 2019 04:24:06
I think Miami will not give up Winslow on a Paul deal.


2.) 17 Aug 2019 12:51:43
Charlotte passes. Pick more valuable than cap space to them.


 

 

13 Aug 2019 20:10:21
This is more of a 2k trade, but it was fun to explore.

Celtics get Gallinari, Dellavadova, 2021 Miami 1st (Okc)
They essentially swap out Hayward with Gallo which isn't too big of a drop off. They add a backup point guard and a first.

Cavs get Adams, Roberson, Nader, 2020 Denver 1st (Okc)
Adams is a great enforcer, but mostly they do this for a first and getting out of long term money. They can also trim salary for this season.

Okc gets Love, Hayward

Then.

Memphis gets Isaac
Bye Dwight. They instead get another prospect who needs a change of scenery. Similar to the Jackson trade with the Suns.

Magic get Schröder
If Fultz works in Orlando, Schröder can continue to play his current role as sixth man which he excelled in. If Fultz doesn't work out, they get a guy with starter experience and playmaking ability.

Okc gets Augustin, Howard, Frazier
These two big trades builds around Paul and a roster of guys who should all have chips on their shoulders. Dwight was once the best center in the nba. Paul the best point. Both considered over the hill. Hayward hasn't been the same since his injury. Love has been speculated on ever since Lebron left. Augustin played well as a starter even in the playoffs and then the magic added Fultz. I could go on. But this is an interesting team with deep playoff potential.

Paul, Augustin
Gilgeious-Alexander, Diallo, Burton
Hayward, Ferguson
Love, Bazley, Muscala
Noel, Howard

ChurchPugh

1.) 14 Aug 2019 00:08:22
It would be interesting to watch and I would watch it for about one year, only because of the crazy hodgepodge of players on it.
I’m certain between the egos and the injuries the crash and burn of this team would be epic.

But that’s the joy of how 2k differs from real life, the only ego that has to be dealt with is that of the person playing as that team.

You are really determined to see Love and Hayward play with Paul in Okc.


2.) 14 Aug 2019 02:34:58
The Issac for Howard trade made me laugh.


3.) 14 Aug 2019 08:49:56
Howard doesn’t get you Isaac.


 

 

 

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01 Aug 2019 18:14:32
Okc bought out Patterson and could stretch whatever is left to duck the luxury tax. Might be done making moves.

Patterson signing with Clips.

ChurchPugh

1.) 10 Aug 2019 14:24:16
They aren't done making moves they still have to fill 1 more roster spot before the start of the season. which would put them a lil over the luxury tax again. But after signing someone they could wait till Dec 15 to start making more moves to get below tax.


 

 

23 Jul 2019 23:31:55
This is thinking a little too far ahead, but AD has done two things to make him a flight risk next summer:

1. Not commit to more time in LA verbally or contractually.
2. Mention how he'd love to play in Chicago.

Chicago would be elated to land a guy of that caliber, but where is the. So space to land him? They'll have little to none. They'd have to chase expiring deals in trades in order to pull off a max slot. Here are some teams I think would be willing to play ball in trades with expiring contracts significant enough:

1. Okc (Gallinari at $22M, Roberson at $10M, Patterson at $5M)
2. Charlotte (Biyombo at $17M, Williams at $15M, MKG at $13M)
3. Atlanta (Parsons at $25M, Turner and Crabbe at $18M each)
4. Toronto (Lowry at $34M, Gasol at $25M, Ibaka at $23M)

There may be others, but I see these as the most likely (in that order) who could give them the cap space they will crave if they think they can legitimately land Davis next summer.

Sorry that was long winded, but with that in mind what kind of deals could you see to land significant cap space next summer for the Windy City?

ChurchPugh

1.) 24 Jul 2019 16:30:44
Church -- Do you think that AD is concerned that he will be left all alone if James suddenly runs out of gas, and is leaving himself an escape hatch? If James goes south, Davis might find himself in the same situation he was in in New Orleans.


2.) 24 Jul 2019 16:48:46
Actually worse situation because at least he would have Jrue Holiday and Zion Williamson to play with.


3.) 24 Jul 2019 20:14:04
Fredman- and no picks.


4.) 25 Jul 2019 08:30:34
LA screwed themselves
They should have kept Russell and drafted Tatum, Mitchell or Markannen

C:Zubac
PF:Randle
SF:Tatum
SG:Ingram
PG:Russell
sixth: Clarckson.


5.) 26 Jul 2019 09:28:11
Does AD need to make an All-NBA team in order to get a higher max extension?


6.) 26 Jul 2019 15:14:56
Yeah, to get a supermax, you have to be all nba the most recent season, or both of the two before it. He wasn't all nba in '18-'19, so he'd have to be all nba next year to receive it.


7.) 26 Jul 2019 16:21:02
Probably waiting for this season's results to see if he qualifies.


 

 

12 Jul 2019 03:21:05
It happened.

Paul and picks for Russ

So now, do these two teams stand pat or what moves are coming? Rockets need to trim the roster (I think)... but they look good.

Thunder could/should flip CP3, if they can find a suitor. But who wants that contract??

Any predictions on what happens next for these two squads??

ChurchPugh

1.) 12 Jul 2019 16:47:06
Thunder should keep CP3, other teams would want a pick for his contract. The Thunder have time, Paul hasn't. So CP3 would ask for a buyout himself.


2.) 12 Jul 2019 17:11:22
I think there's a really good chance that Houston absolutely falls on their face. Either be a decent regular season team and get destroyed in the playoffs, or just fail in the regular season and get a 7-10 seed in the west.

OKC is in fire sale mode. They have to hope that the Lakers or Heat take Paul for expiring deals. Then hope Roberson comes back healthy and they can offload him at the trade deadline for assets. Move Gallo at some point for longer deals+assets or expiring deals+lesser assets. Same with Adams.


3.) 15 Jul 2019 17:54:38
I think they work fine like Paul and harden did. Maybe not excellent every night but they will be fun to watch. There going to have russ do the same Paul did but drive instead of shoot. It's worth the risk for Houston.


 

 

12 Jun 2019 21:16:08
If Okc were to hit the reset button and deal Russ and PG, what's the best return they could get?

I was thinking Russ to the Bulls with Okc gaining Markkanen and a pick kind of deal, and George to the Hawks for Crabbe, Bazemore, and picks 8 and 10 kind of deal.

Thoughts? Gives Okc a good place to start a rebuild, gives the Bulls a superstar and an identity, and gives the Hawks a guy who could help open their championship window for the foreseeable future.

ChurchPugh

1.) 12 Jun 2019 23:52:02
Mine as well trade Adams too.


2.) 13 Jun 2019 00:18:09
Not Markannen.


3.) 13 Jun 2019 00:19:22
Russ to Lakers for 4th. Pg to utah.


4.) 13 Jun 2019 01:43:00
PG to Lakers for 4th and Ingram. Westbrook to Heat.


 

 

03 Nov 2018 20:46:31
Is there a way that okc adds griffin to their core of Russ, PG, and Adams by sending Schroder to a pg needy team like the suns and picks to the Pistons?

ChurchPugh

1.) 03 Nov 2018 21:08:22
With the casey hiring and the seeming interest in making the playoffs in DET, I'd have to say you couldn't get Griffin without talent and picks.


2.) 03 Nov 2018 21:17:23
Not the way griffin is playing. He’s been great. They’d want some real assets, not just a late first or two with a bad contract.


3.) 04 Nov 2018 14:30:45
I’m not sure Griffin is a good fit next to Westbrook. He likes the ball in his hands, he’s not much of a shooter, and he clogs the lane up. A potential starting line up that has Westbrook, Roberson, Griffin, and Adams is an offensive disaster in today’s NBA.


4.) 04 Nov 2018 17:34:46
Griffin shoots from all over the court and at a decent clip for a big man. Not sure why you say he only shoots from in the paint. He shot over 300 threes last year and currently shooting like 45% from deep. He doesn’t need the ball in his hands. He’s one of the best passing bigs in the league.

What are you basing that evaluation on?


5.) 05 Nov 2018 02:37:06
I suppose he’s a little better shooter than I was thinking, but he’s a career 33 percent shooter. It’s solid if you have other shooters, but he can’t be the 2nd best shooter in your starting lineup. Also, for him to make those passes he needs the ball. Having the ball in your hands doesn’t just mean that you are shooting. His usage rate is currently right between Lebron and Curry’s. Last year he was right inbetween DerozN and Wall. He’s at his best when the iffense runs through him and he can create for himself and others. Taking the ball out of his hands diminishes how effective he can be. He isn’t a spot up shooter. Plus, if you put him in the pick and role with Russ for large chunks of the game everyone, but the guy guarding George can basically collapse on them because Roberson and Adams can’t shoot. So in the starting lineup you’re basically going to use him as a spot up shooter? He’s also a below average defender. Why trade multiple picks/ players to pay a guy 35 Million that doesn’t fit in with your already expensive and thin team?


6.) 05 Nov 2018 18:12:34
Right. Point being, he actually has the ability to spread the offense, not condense it. That 33% is misleading, as it was when he was taking 1 or 2 3s a game. its likely more around 36ish, which is league average and great for a big man.

As to the usage rate, that really isn't a good statistic to look at in a vacuum. The team has no real pg. He scores a lot and passes very well. he's going to have the ball often. That statistic merely shows he is heavily involved. AKA, passing a lot and scoring efficiently.


7.) 05 Nov 2018 19:47:29
He was 31st last year among qualifying pfs in 3 point shooting percentage. He’s not putting great in anyone from 3 point range. He’s not worth the money or assets for the Thunder unless the rest of the roster is heavily overhauled.


8.) 05 Nov 2018 23:11:06
No one said he was elite at 3. You specifically said he has no range. Which you then admitted was incorrect to say. A pf that is averaging 25/ 11/ 5. You don’t think that’s of value?

The premise was they keep the core. So what, he isn’t a major major upgrade over grant?

Just stop it. Griffin is a top 30 player in the league and one could contend so far top 15. That team would be solid. Simply need to add a shooter or two, which there always available ones.


9.) 06 Nov 2018 16:54:14
I just don’t see Griffin as the missing link to make OKC a legitimate top 3 or 4 team in the league or make them a threat to upset the Warriors. If you’re going to give up the last few assets you have and lock in those kind of luxury payments that’s what he needs to be. He doesn’t complement the rest of the roster and he would be hard to maximize. I’m not arguing that adding Blake Griffin would make their team worse. If they could add him without giving players up for the minimum then sure great addition, but to get rid of a couple rotation players and more future picks doesn’t make sense. Using those some of those assets and money to go get guys like Ariza, Bazemore, and/ or Korver would make more sense, be cheaper, and imo make a bigger impact.


 

 

 

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14 Sep 2019 13:30:12
Gth, I get that mentality. But the factor you are leaving out is the cap. This puts them under with a roster space open to bring back a vet at the minimum and still be under. They’d not give up all the picks they acquired in those deals, so to me it’s still worth exploring. Appreciate the feedback.

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15 Aug 2019 21:35:41
I really like this.

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12 Aug 2019 12:46:01
Makes plenty of sense for other teams.

Cavs have been suffering for years by overpaying role players and complimentary pieces during the Lebron era. This deal targets next summer as a huge refresh. Their biggest deal still on the books will be Nance at $12ish million. They can move on from players that don’t fit and rebuild with tons of cap space.

Mavs have two building blocks for the future: Doncic and Porzingis. They need to protect those two guys. Adams is the ultimate enforcer in today’s nba. He can do all the dirty work for Porzingis. He can cover him on D. He can be an awesome pick n roll partner. He also only has 2 years left on his deal. Dre is one of the best wing defenders in the league. He is also a decent slasher when properly utilized. Playing Doncic at the 3 but as a point forward sticks his team with awkward matchups on D. Sliding Dre in at the 3 allows for more natural and effective matchups on D while locking up the other teams top defender. Plus, moving Hardaway puts the ball in the hands of Doncic and Porzingis more which is what you want anyways. Dre is also an expiring deal.

Explain to me how that’s not worth it.

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09 Aug 2019 13:25:19
Could even take that roster rebuild one more step.

Okc gets Gordon

Magic get Gallinari

Okc get their PF for the foreseeable future and form a great young core all under 30. That’s a playoff team in a year or two.

Magic get better spacing and unstick the logjam at the 4/ 5. Gallo is also expiring. Magic spent big this summer and will be hurting Cap wise moving forward. This helps.

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27 Jul 2019 13:38:22
I keep hearing “Atl doesn’t want Adams”. Why? He fits your timeline and could be had at a probably cheap price. Plus he’s only got 2 years left on his deal and fits on the court as well. I don’t get it. The dude can play.

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