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04 Aug 2020 01:09:38
Heard Gobert and Mitchell we're having issues. Am I the only one that thinks Gobert would be perfect in Boston with that perimeter shooting? I believe they have three first round picks, too. Those picks and anyone but the core to make salaries match. Would be good for both teams. Opinions?

04 Aug 2020 04:29:45
Utah got Mitchell they would want a proven young player for Gobert not late picks.

04 Aug 2020 05:14:37
The only way it makes sense is by including Brown. And I think that’s a move that makes sense for both teams.

04 Aug 2020 05:50:07
The problem is matching Gobert's salary. The only one that makes any sense is the coach's pet (white) player, Hayward.

04 Aug 2020 06:49:15
from what I’ve heard, their issues are resolved enough to play together. Plus, when is the last time the jazz made a blockbuster?

04 Aug 2020 08:40:28
The least Utah would want is Brown but Boston will not trade the core says their fans.

03 Aug 2020 13:30:52
Serious question, in today's NBA what do you believe that only the minority would agree? For example i believe that:

Westbrook is better than Harden
Booker will play better for other teams while the Suns will not get what they want for him
Sixers should trade one of Simmons or Embiid
Knicks will be better next year (at least a playoff team)
Nuggets need to add a Beal/Booker type of player or else they aren't winning a championship
Warriors will not be the same again
Giannis will not leave Milwaukee
Miami will go to finals in 2-3 years no matter who they got

03 Aug 2020 14:11:37
1) True, but Harden is a better fit in most teams and he prpably going to age better.
2) true
3) They should trade Simmons
4)I think 35 wins
5) No, If Garry Harris become the player from 2 years ago
6) The Warriors stay the same, but other teams become better
7) He's going to Miami
8) propably.

03 Aug 2020 18:32:14
1) harden is better imo
2) true
3) trade Embiid
4) no
5) not if MPJ becomes what they hope and Harris steps up
6) won't be dynasty but still a 1-4 seed
7) Miami or Bucks
8) only if they get Giannis.

01 Aug 2020 17:07:57
So with the Kings losing to San Antonio in the first game back, I have decided that the Kings go into tank mode and have moved on to the Lottery/ Draft.

Shizzee, suppose Kings move up to #4 and Knicks drop back to #7. If Ball is still on the board, what package.

01 Aug 2020 18:38:19
M Robinson :-p.

01 Aug 2020 18:39:56
I think #7+ dallas pick 2023+ 2rnd pick 2021 is fair.

Who would you take with that pick?

01 Aug 2020 19:36:08
Gasupo. Not even close to what I am looking for.

Try #7+#25+2021 first round draft swap.

01 Aug 2020 20:25:44
I think the most you could get it 7 and two late firsts (clippers and Dallas maybe? Both Dallas picks? ) . The Knicks would be really stupid to include a top 10 pick swap next year to move up 3 spots.

01 Aug 2020 22:14:53
I am good with #7+#25+Dallas2021First.

01 Aug 2020 22:22:11
Who would you draft with 7th pick?

01 Aug 2020 22:26:54
You know what? On second thought, I am not good with that. Dallas gave up #3 for #5 and next years #10 (had a top 5 protection) . Kings will be giving up an additional slot at a slightly lower point in the draft. Seems pretty similar. So is #5 for #7 and 2021 first (top 5 protected) really that unreasonable? Or would the Knicks prefer to give up the #25 pick in order to have the Kings 2021 first after the swap?

01 Aug 2020 22:31:43
Gasupo, probably someone in the Okoro/ Vassell/ Neismith group. Not that big on the guy from Isreal.

Could see another trade down from #7 as well. Why do I see San Antonio interested in Okoro (Klaw 2.0?)?

01 Aug 2020 23:16:09
I would draft vassell or okoro too.

You can't compare the doncic trade with this draft. neither Ball, Edwards or wiseman have doncic value .

I would take the dallas 2023 pick, so you have time to use that asset. The clipper pick has no value in this weak draft. I prefere a future second round over that pick.

02 Aug 2020 00:01:48
Most of you are acting as if 4 is way more valuable than 7. In this, it’s not. A fair trade would be 7, 25, and a 2021 second. It will likely be a high second. The Knicks get their guy and the kings are probably happier than whoever they get at 7 than Lamelo.

02 Aug 2020 04:33:07
The draft is thought to have a top 4 or 5 players with a drop off after that. In that case, 4 does have quite a bit more value than 7. And if you’re trading up, you’re admitting to really wanting one of those top 4-5 guys.

I didn’t think about the Dallas Atlanta trade. You’re right Fred, the value is probably a future Knicks pick to make that jump.

02 Aug 2020 06:04:03
Kings would probably pass on that package, Ethan. #25 is not enough by far.

02 Aug 2020 06:26:16
Gasupo. Ball, Edwards or Wiseman may not have Doncic value, but anyone at #7 doesn't have Trae Young value either. Most scouts are saying that there are 4 Tier 1 talents in this draft (probably Tier 2 in other drafts) . So there is a "drop" in value after #4. And I seriously doubt Ball last past Detroit at what would be @#6.

Now, personally I want the Clippers first in order to draft Aleksej Pokusevski ahead of Boston trying to stash him. Thus why I am offering the 2021 draft swap instead of just taking New York's 2021 protected pick.

02 Aug 2020 18:22:45
Did Doncic even have “Doncic value” at the time of that trade? Sure, Dallas loved him, but he went third after Ayton and Bagley. It’s not like he was Anthony Davis as the obvious #1 pick and a clearcut superstar.

I think Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman are very compatible to Doncic. Many think those 3 could become superstars, but there are big question marks. Just like Doncic.

03 Aug 2020 16:42:57
Doncic was the nr one pick in most mock drafts. He was killing good players in the Spanish league, when he was only 16. So he was already a hype.

The suns drafted Ayton, because he's from Arizona and they had a bad experience drafting Bender.

The Kings didn't draft him because he told everybody he would stay in Europe, if they did. (And sacramento couldn't flip with Atlanta, because they already have Fox)

And Michael Jordan also was drafted 3rd being the best player in the draft.

03 Aug 2020 18:21:50
Gasupo, Sac could have traded with Dallas (just like Atlanta did), but they were too afraid that Bagley would not drop to #5. This was the move that I wanted Sacramento to try back in 2018. My "dream" was to walk away with Bagley, Mitchell Robinson (in the second round) and Dallas 2019 first (to replace the first rounder Sac was shipping to Boston via Philly) .

03 Aug 2020 22:24:37
To bad that didn't happen. Bagley or Jackson Jr would have been on the board. And drafting T young wouln't be the worst thing.

30 Jul 2020 04:47:29
Okay, let's have a talk about Mitchell Robinson. First things first, I have to admit that back in the 2018 Draft I was a little upset that the Knicks drafted him at #36 because I wanted the Kings to draft him at #37 thinking that a Bagley-Robinson addition would have been perfect to go with Fox-Hield-Bogy-Barnes young core. Secondly, I have to admit that I did not watch a bunch of Knicks games this season (watched 1 game against the Kings) .

Someone here wants to make him the second coming of Wilt Chamberlain because of a record-setting FG% (in a shortened season) and a 23+ PER while blocking 2 shots a game. Sounds like he should be a double-double guy, right? well, no, not really.

For starters, Robinson couldn't even beat out Portis or Gibson in the starting lineup (only 7 starts) . Secondly, Robinson's PER is tided to his high FG%. A high shooting percentage only truly matters IF the player shoots the ball a lot.

Unfortunately, Robinson does not primarily because the Knicks offense is not designed for him to get shots. Robinson scores in two different ways. First, is from rim-running off pick-n-rolls.

However, defenses do not let him run free to the hoop because the "poor" shooting by the ball handlers. The second way Robinson scores is from offense rebound put-backs. Robinson averages 3 OReb a game which translate to 2 of his 4 FGs Made are from easy put-backs which is not in the design of the offense.

If Robinson was All-Star material, the offense would be designed to go through him as the Knicks could definitely use a boost in offense production (Knicks 29th in Points Per Game and 26th in Point Differential) . So what is a FAIR comparison for Mitchell Robinson?

Answer: A slightly better Nerlens Noel.

30 Jul 2020 08:45:02
I think he's a usefull roll player for a team with shooters.
That's why i had the idea to sent him to GS (They don't need another star, but good rollplayers) .

It's difficult to value him now. How does his game evolve?
He propably doesn't develop a 3-pointer
Can he stay out of foul trouble?
can he keep his energetic play after signing a new contract?
.

He can still develop in a R Gobert or M Harrell or he can become the next N Noel.

30 Jul 2020 11:08:23
Chamberlain? No but I can see a Gobert ceiling. Maybe he’ll just be around a Capela level.

30 Jul 2020 14:43:04
His ceiling seems like Deandre Jordan or Ibaka if he can develop a shot.

I don’t see Gobert. There’s a lot more Whiteside than Gobert there. He’s a great shot blocker, but incredibly undisciplined. He doesn’t feel like a guy that is a defense unto himself like Gobert.

He’s got the potential to maybe be a fringe top 10 center. But I’m not sure he can be more than the 4th best player on a contender.

30 Jul 2020 17:12:41
BMiller, a more BBIQ'd Whiteside would also be a fair comparision. Basically, we are talking about an below-average "starting" center and an above-average "back-up" center.

Maybe Thibs can bring out more of his defensive value, but it seems to me that his development has to be more in between his ears.

30 Jul 2020 17:28:19
And the jump from good defender to superstar defender is enormous. I’m not even sure you can teach that kind of BBIQ. Guys are just wired that way. They’re smarter than the rest of the players out there.

I recall an interview with Marcus Camby when he was in Portland, and they asked him about rebounding, and he didn’t have a great answer to how he was so good at getting into position (he might be the most skilled rebounder I’ve ever seen) . It was so natural, he couldn’t explain it.

30 Jul 2020 17:34:41
Deandre Jordan might be the best development story in the NBA that I can remember. He’s genuinely not good at basketball. He doesn’t have a great natural feel for the game. He took the natural physical tools he had (which were substantial) and took as much teaching as he could. And he actually turned that into an all NBA player.

He shouldn’t have been as good as he was.

30 Jul 2020 19:29:37
BMiller, agree that players who can fully ACCEPT the Rodman role (defense and rebounding) are they ones who become All-NBA primarily because it is such a rarity. Draymond Green is the modern day example (for me), but can see the Deandre Jordan comparison as well.

However, there are two things needed to be All-NBA successful for these guys IMO. First is a motor. In limited viewings of Robinson, I have not seen the Rodman/ Green motor. Secondly, is playing with talented teammates. Teams depending on scoring from Rodman or Green are simply asking too much from them. In order to score, they sacrifice the "energy" needed to have their "motors". Not seeing the "talent" on the Knicks that will allow Robinson to develop this set, specific role.

30 Jul 2020 21:03:13
Guys Robinson gets limited minutes because he is in foul trouble often. Noel is his current pace. I don’t see Hubert type because he doesn’t focus like a he cares.

30 Jul 2020 21:52:15
The answer to whether or not he is good or will be good is very simple. Answer: he will be good maybe all star caliber depending on the situation but hear me out.

Currently, he is getting 23 minutes a game on a well below average team yet he is the leading rebounder and shot blocker at age 21. Instead of giving him pt and time to develop, they are giving players with bad potential playing time.

Offensively, I understand his numbers are sub-par but it is easy to see why. The Knicks have a .321 3pt percentage as a team while the league average is .357. Their true shooting percentage is .524 while the league average is .564. It is easy to see that the Knicks are a bad team but did you realize they were this bad? For opposing teams, this makes defending them extremely easy. They defend the paint much harder than they defend the perimeter making it undeniably difficult for robinson to score down low.
My consensus: if the knicks can add shooters and if someone like rj steps up to be a true scoring threat, the Robinson will have a much easier time scoring as long as he is given the minutes he deserves. Obviously, this might not happen but if it does, I see a very bright future for the young Robinson.

30 Jul 2020 22:22:05
Ethan. The problem is that other GMs do not know if their team's "situation" is right for Robinson either. If a team trades for him, the new team is taking all the risk. Last time I checked "overpaying" and accepting all the "risk" is not a winning strategy. Thus, Robinson's trade value is not that high (late 1st IMO) .