NBA Talk

28 Jul 2021 19:49:57
According to The Ringer's Kevin O'Conner on "The Mismatch" podcast, the San Antonio Spurs reportedly turned down an offer for Sixers' Ben Simmons.

And apparently, it was a steep price.

O'Conner says the 76ers wanted a haul from the Spurs that included the Spurs sending Philadelphia one of their young core players and much more.

There's so much stuff floating out there right now about the Sixers having outrageous demands like wanting four first-round draft picks, and three pick swaps, and a young player from the Spurs they say now.

All these deals you hear about are outrageous. Nobody will do it for Ben Simmons.

28 Jul 2021 21:22:29
Hasn't that always been Daryl Morey's negotiation style? . so now the ridiculous rumours are being fed from Philly instead of Houston.

28 Jul 2021 03:15:39
I've read from multiple sites that you can include multiple players in a s&t as long as the salaries match. And seen trade examples as well. So what's the real deal with this. Here are the only rules that come up on these sites

2. If the newly-signed contract is for at least three or four years.

2. If the contract's first year is fully guaranteed.

3. If the contract is posted before the start of the regular season.

4. If the player has finished the season before with the team.

5. If the contract is not signed using the MLE or mid-level exception

6. If the acquiring team has enough salary cap room to accommodate the player's salary and bonuses in the first season.

28 Jul 2021 12:56:54
Yes, you can add players. There use to be a clause in the previous CBA that disallowed this from happening. It is also tricky because some websites still list the old CBA or old articles about the old CBA rules. So it requires a lot of focus in checking dates to ensure that one is looking at the current version of the CBA.

Evidence that you can do it is the Durant-DLO trade where DLo was S&T'd to GS with 2 other players to match the Durant's salary.

28 Jul 2021 22:15:28
Although I could not find anything directly stating this, but I am starting wonder if players were added to the Durant-DLo trade because DLo's max was under what Durant was able to sign for.

I am curious if this comes into play with the Lakers having to S&T Schroder at this max and add salary to get Westbrook.

27 Jul 2021 15:44:52
If the management really wants to create a championship team they need to honestly reevaluate the team. They've done this now for 7 years and haven't got it done. Everything starts with management. IMO it's time to start new. New management,they already have the new coach, so now look at realistic trades that will help. No more trading 2first round picks for a player. Those picks that Portland gave up for Covington has really hurt our teams future. Yes Covington is a decent player but I for one don't see giving up 2 firsts round picks for him. Now the team is in uncertainty over what they have done. It's time to start new and make major changes. Let Mrs. Allen have more of a say in what happens.

27 Jul 2021 20:30:43
Jody doesn’t want a say.

Also, that Covington trade looks fine to me. Stewart doesn’t seem like a star in the making. And Portland doesn’t need another guy around pick 20 do they? If Portland rebuilt, I think they could get a mid teens pick back from Covington, so it’s not like the cost they paid is sunk.

27 Jul 2021 21:54:30
The Covington deal is questionable as Portland's Def Rtg actually got worse last season. 2 firsts for a guy who did not help.

28 Jul 2021 02:19:44
The defense with Powell, RoCo, and Nurkic was actually not bad.

The defense with Hood, Melo, and Kanter was a disaster the likes of which maybe has never been seen. Covington couldn’t cover all of that. He was still really good this year.

26 Jul 2021 23:15:33
Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report on “The Gastroenteritis Blues” podcast:

They [team] haven’t been able to really even get in touch with Ben since the season ended. There was an intent to have a workout plan or whatever – like in any offseason. And that’s always kind of been the case, that the Sixers haven’t really been able to align with a development plan. That’s kind of what Yaron Weitzman wrote at Fox Sports in that big story, right? It just doesn’t sound like there’s ever really been movement to come together on the same page to do that, and it hasn’t really worked this summer either. So, I think that’s not something that is an encouraging sign for him being in Philadelphia in the future.

This is why I have not expected Simmons game to change. He was not doing to Olympics to work on his game, right? SMH.

27 Jul 2021 04:00:00
Yep, I feel the same. He just doesn’t have the mentality and work ethic. He’s essentially peaked.

27 Jul 2021 15:08:09
He’s also only 24. He desperately needs a change of scenery. I think part of this is him having no interest in working with Phili and simply being ready to move on too.

We’re also only days removed from the end of the actual season. Don’t most guys walk away for a good chunk of the offseason when it starts? Getting far away from the gym and team seems like a good move. Just get away for a while.

27 Jul 2021 16:38:18
To not plan and work with your team on an offseason workout schedule in any off-season's since being in the league is very worrisome. Dude definitely doesn't seem to want to be with Philly or even want to change his style of player. He has gone so long with being able to "succeed" the way he plays now so seems like he doesn't want to change and adapt.

27 Jul 2021 18:25:22
@Bmiller, how many players say that they are not playing in the Olympics to work on their game and then don't work on their game with team trainers?

27 Jul 2021 20:32:23
In the first couple weeks of the offseason? I think a lot do. Dame generally works on his own from what I know, until the last few weeks of the offseason.