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14 Jun 2022 23:24:38
Update Mock (I'm going to try and throw some surprises)

1. Magic - Smith PF
2. Thunder - Ivey SG
3. Rockets - Banchero PF
4. Kings - Chet PF
5. Pistons - Sharpe SG
6. Pacers - Mathurin SF
7. Blazers - Murray PF
8. Pels - Daniels G
9. Spurs - Duren C
10. Wizards - Davis SG
11. Knicks - Griffin SG/SF
12. Thunder - Dieng SF
13. Hornets - Sochan F
14. Cavs - Williams SG/SF
15. Hornets - Williams C
16. Hawks - Eason F
17. Hou - Agbaji SG/SF
18. Bulls - Liddell PF
19. Twolves - TyTy PG
20. Spurs - Brown F
21. Nuggets - Branham SG
22. Grizzlies - Jovic F
23. 76ers - LaRavia F
24. Bucks - Hardy SG
25. Spurs - Terry PG
26. Mavs - Williams PF/C
27. Heat - Kessler C
28. Warriors - Koloko C/PF
29. Grizzlies - Chandler PG
30. Nuggets - Baldwin F

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15 Jun 2022 02:02:18
Honestly not many surprises LOL, I changed my biggest surprise at @10 with Jalen Williams.

15 Jun 2022 10:40:43
I have actually been thinking about something that you are close with. OKC taking Ivey @ #2 and then Duren or Matt Williams @ #12.

14 Jun 2022 12:19:01
What team could trade for Giannis Antetokounmpo, if he wants out?

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14 Jun 2022 13:44:33
Ultimately whichever team he wants to go to will be able to put together a package if Giannis insists that that is where he wants to be. The better question might be, who would you NOT trade even for Giannis. that would be a very short list.

14 Jun 2022 18:05:55
Not trade for Giannis list:

Luka

End of list.

14 Jun 2022 23:13:38
Would C’s do something around Jaylen Brown?

Tatum and Giannis would be something special

Pels around Zion?

15 Jun 2022 00:37:54
Brown + Timelord + whatever picks necessary.

15 Jun 2022 10:54:49
For me it's Tatum and pieces for Giannis. I feel like Brown fits better with Giannis because he will not have problem being number 2. I don't think Tatum will take that role. Just saying ✌🏻.

13 Jun 2022 17:05:58
Leonard Miller withdrawing from NBA Draft and joint GLeage Ignite. Smart choice. Can be a top 15 pick next year.

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13 Jun 2022 21:43:31
Now I need my other 2nd round option to stay in.

Not sure why it was a big deal to get qualified for this year's draft if he was just going to opt out.

13 Jun 2022 22:27:49
Fredman- getting paid. Had a shot to go mid first make millions. Now goes to g league gets a year to get better while being paid and if he signs a sneaker deal got make millions.

14 Jun 2022 02:03:30
Right Shiller, but he could have gone to the G-League without qulifing for this year's draft.

14 Jun 2022 02:05:21
He prolly wanted to test the waters and see if he could get any promises in the 1st.

14 Jun 2022 14:43:09
Who did he work out gor to generate a promise from?

12 Jun 2022 23:43:11
I really think the Bulls could gain big in an "addition by subtraction scenario. They seem to be pretty high on Patrick Williams so wtbs if they do a sign and trade for Lavine and fill all the missing pieces with the trade, the draft and FA, I think allowing Pat to be the 2nd option on offense and sliding him down to the 3 it would unlock everything they see in him. He could be a Kawhi type. but bigger. Plus having other young players like Dosunmu Ball and White would set them up for the future if they kept those 4 together.

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13 Jun 2022 22:28:26
They want to win not rebuild.

12 Jun 2022 04:50:05
Asking Raptors fans, if Anunoby is not satisfied with his role and wants to be traded, what deal do you want or expect to get for him?

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12 Jun 2022 05:16:43
I feel like they should package OG and Trent. If OG is unhappy and the rumor of Trent possibly opting out as well then maybe send them to a rebuilding team where they’ll get their opportunities and bring Raps back to top player. Maybe someone will come available at deadline or next summer if they don’t like the current available options.

12 Jun 2022 15:29:38
As a Raptor fan I know that nobody is untouchable with Masai Ujiri, including Scottie Barnes. Having said that, he never does a deal just to get it done. he always comes away with something he wants. Unless OG and another contract can acquire a top5 player (and no, Rudy Gobert does not cut it) that can take them to the promised land like Kawhi did they are unlikely to deal GTJ or FVV with him. Even if OG came out publicly and demanded a trade Masai would hold out like Morey did until they get the deal he wants. In terms of what that would look like. the only thing I can predict is it will be someone who can contribute in the system Nurse has implemented defensively. That system requires that all 5 players on the floor contribute and does not allow for covering the weaknesses of an all-offense player. I doubt that Ujiri and Webster have any "targets" right now for an OG trade, but I would expect them to pick up the phone and listen to what's available, and if the right deal presents itself, they'll do it. Otherwise I expect OG will be a Raptor for a long time to come.

13 Jun 2022 01:12:36
100% @windrapsfan.

13 Jun 2022 14:30:07
If your defensive system doesn’t allow for a superstar offensive player, is it really a good system?

Drop one of the super elite guards (Luka, Steph, prime Harden) on that team and they destroy teams. And without an offensive threat of that level, you’ll never contend. Finding a two way player that’s at that level offensively is once in a generation across the entire league.

13 Jun 2022 15:19:33
@BMiller. it doesn't matter if you or I or anyone else thinks the strategy isn't right. that is what the Raptors have committed to. and so far they are progressing nicely, overachieved this year, and have done nothing but encourage that direction. sure. if they spend the next 5 years on the cusp and can't get past the second round they may change that philosophy, but right now they are trending up and most likely will be doubling down on "Vison 6'9""

11 Jun 2022 15:44:37
Jake Fisher is not at all a popular man in Toronto right now with his "reporting" about OG. I'm wondering which of the so-called NBA insiders are the worst for click-bait headline BS, and which you think are most reliable? My own opinion is that most of what you see on Bleacher Report is nothing but speculation. I'm also wondering how much of this crap is coming from agents and/or other front offices stirring up rubbish...

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11 Jun 2022 18:44:26
Jake Fisher's report reminds me very much of the reporting before Jeremi Grant's last year in Denver. Just saying.

12 Jun 2022 01:15:19
not familiar with your comparison, fredman, but there's been not a whisper of anything like this from toronto media, including ones around the team that seem to enjoy stirring things up. if local media is reporting it then there might be fire with that smoke, but guys that aren't with the team every day are a whole lot less reliable than the ones who talk to the players day in day out throughout the season. the only thing close being reported in market is that GTJ might opt out next year and hesitate to resign if he thinks there's more shots somewhere else.

12 Jun 2022 02:16:52
I'm almost entirely certain the "sources" are all from agents, rival front offices, or just "a guy who knows a guy who knows the ball boy that sat within 15 feet of OG" most of the time. Almost all of the "reports" feature scenarios and packages that are completely laughable and out of sync with what the Raptors would actually want. I take pretty much all reporting from insiders with a grain of salt these days. 99.9% of the time it doesn't happen or doesn't come close to happening the way they speculated. There's so much that goes on behind the scenes within organizations and to work a deal that any information they get that might be the slightest bit legit is most likely only the tip of a very large iceberg.

12 Jun 2022 12:09:50
It was reported in Grant's last year in Denver that he was unhappy being the 3rd wheel behind the Joker and Murray. Everyone sort of ignored the reporting and Grant was not traded so Denver could make its playoff run with the belief would be able to resign Grant n the of season. Detroit offered him the opportunity + $$$$, so he left Denr in free agency.

If the OG reporting is accurate, then OG is starting down a similar path. Toronto has to be wary of someone (Orlando? ) giving OG that opportunity.

12 Jun 2022 14:32:58
OG is under contract until at least the summer of '24, when he has a player option. So IF the reports are accurate (which I don't really buy) and OG is actually that unhappy, they have plenty of time to either reconcile or find a deal. This isn't a "Grant's last year in Denver" type of situation. They're not going to rush into a deal because of some potentially pot-stirring reporting unless it's some sort of Godfather offer that vaults them into contender status, or he officially requests a trade and forces his way out.

If anything, GTJ is the far more likely candidate to fall into the Grant/ Denver example. There hasn't been any reporting, but based on contract status (player option after next season) and his body language on the court at times, he's probably going to be looking for North of $20 mil a year and more touches in a more featured role. With the current makeup, the Raptors aren't likely going to be able to give him both.

I will say that regardless of reporting and rumors NOW, they're going to have some tough roster decisions to make over the next couple of seasons if Barnes continues to ascend, Precious enters the starter conversation, and with Trent having the option to opt out.

12 Jun 2022 16:48:21
Did I say anything about a last year on Grant's contract situation? You are simply adding that in to handwaive the rest. OG is making his feelings known. Ignore them and he will probably be gone when the first opportunity presents itself.

13 Jun 2022 01:18:23
"It was reported in Grant's last year in Denver that he was unhappy being the 3rd wheel behind the Joker and Murray. " It's literally the first thing you said.

Handwaiving? Why would Masai unload OG based on a single "report" from a guy outside the organization with spotty sources when he has team control for another two full seasons? This team doesn't make panic deals. If he comes out publicly and says it himself, sure, go nuts. If he's "starting down a similar path", great. He's not a pending FA, so what's the rush?

11 Jun 2022 01:53:22
Raptors/ OG:

Disclaimer: I don't think the Raptors WILL or SHOULD trade OG. At least not in the short term. I also don't buy any of the reporting out there about his happiness or availability.

BUT, with all the proposals being thrown around, I'm curious what you would give up from your team to get him, and what you think the Raptors would accept. Fair, realistic value. No "OG for Ross and 3 second rounders" proposals. Nobody wants Ross. Also keep in mind that they've repeatedly leaned in to the Vision 6'9" philosophy and probably aren't in the market for a guy like Gobert.

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12 Jun 2022 02:39:12
I totally disagree that they should trade OG (or Trent) . I just don’t think they can keep all 4 of their wings. It’s not sustainable. And OG makes the most sense to trade.

12 Jun 2022 22:14:37
Raptors management believes it is sustainable. If they could sign 5 Siakams, 5 Anunobys and 5 Scottie Barnes that would be the roster. Right or wrong that is the direction. It's fun to watch, actually.

13 Jun 2022 01:19:43
Totally agree with both of you. The question is just an exercise directed at fans of other teams to see how they value the player.

10 Jun 2022 03:51:35
My wizards mock draft

10: R1P10
C JALEN DUREN
MEMPHIS
54: R2P24
PG SCOTTY PIPPEN JR

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10 Jun 2022 15:12:39
If Duren/ Mathurin/ Daniels are off the board then who are you picking? I think it's likely that they go 7/ 8/ 9.

11 Jun 2022 01:41:00
@Darry, you got AJ Griffin falling to #10?

11 Jun 2022 02:21:30
I can see Griffin falling out of top 10 depending on who the Pels take.

11 Jun 2022 21:42:16
Yes, for sure. A lot of mock I see have Chet/ Jabari/ Paolo, Sharpe/ Ivey/ Murray, then Duren/ Daniels/ Sochan/ Mathurin. I definitely think Griffin goes outside the top 10.

 


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