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29 Jan 2022 02:15:36
Boston gets-
K. Huerter
2nd Rd pick from Cavs
Atlanta gets-
J. Richardson
R. Langford
2 2nd Rd picks from Boston
Cleveland gets-
D. Wright
Boston needs shooting, Atlanta needs perimeter D, and Cleveland needs help at PG. Boston turned down a package for Smart that included Huerter and Reddish already. Huerter's and Richardson's minutes and production are similar, but I believe Huerter has more value, hence the addition of Langford who is also a very good defender, and draft compensation. Huerter has a poison pill, but Cleveland's DPE and need solves that and that's why they're included here.
1.) 29 Jan 2022 03:18:09
Looks a like a good trade. I think Hawks only do this if they don’t want to use Huerter in a package for an upgraded star (with Collins)
2.) 29 Jan 2022 03:28:44
Boston going to use most of Fournier's TPE to take on Huerter's poison pill contract?
3.) 29 Jan 2022 03:48:28
Can’t trade Huerter until July 1st. By then Wight no longer under current contract.
08 Jan 2022 15:50:16
One team needs D and one team needs shooting.
Boston gets-
D. Gallinari
B. Bogdanovic
Atlanta gets-
A. Horford
J. Richardson
1.) 08 Jan 2022 17:32:17
I think ATL will ask for Smart if they are to give Bogi. Just my opinion.
2.) 08 Jan 2022 17:56:45
Don’t see the Cs doing this.
3.) 08 Jan 2022 21:40:10
I figured this would have mixed opinions. I'm not so sure Boston would say yes either. At this point, I think the contract for Bogdanovich is one they may regret and I'm not sure if another team would want to take it on. For Boston for just the players on the court, I like it.
4.) 09 Jan 2022 12:30:42
not much difference between bogdanovic and fournier.
03 Jan 2022 16:35:50
You will throw up in your mouth MD but hear me out.
Toronto gets-
Al Horford
Orlando gets-
A. Nesmith
G. Dragic
C. Boucher
Two 1sts via Boston.
Boston gets-
J. Issac
T. Ross
Why for Toronto-
They're getting a player better than what they're giving up and the perfect guy to mentor Precious, who I think has the chance to become a pretty good player. After the season Horford is an expiring contract and that has value.
Why for Boston-
It's risk vs reward. If Issac continues to have injury issues it becomes a bad trade for Boston. If he stays healthy it raises their ceiling. A starting unit of Smart, Brown, Tatum, Issac, and Williams would be hell defensively. Ross is a fine player who would help any team.
Why for Orlando-
At first glance it looks like they're getting screwed, but there's much more to it than what you see at face value. First of all, Issac is expendable because of his injury concern and the presence of Carter Jr. Carter Jr. is locked up for less money and is an improving player. Yes he can play the 5 but his preferred position is at the 4. Getting a couple of 1sts is always great, and Nesmith is not a bust. He hasn't played a full season yet and hasn't been given proper opportunity for the games he has played. Orlando could give him 30 minutes a game and allow him to play through his mistakes and grow. He has shown flashes and Orlando could use a young shooter. The hidden gem here for Orlando is cap space for next offseason. This trade brings them from about 18 mil to spend to almost 50 mil, in a year when not a lot of teams have money to spend. Part of this trade includes who Orlando will be able to sign, which could include a max player while still having a lot of money left over. With a ton of money to spend, a crapload of picks, and several promising young pieces, they would be in an enviable position moving forward. They should also move Bamba and perhaps Fultz. MD, stop trying to trade Gary Harris! You can use his expiring money in free agency!
1.) 03 Jan 2022 17:21:36
If the two first round picks are unprotected than I’ll be okay if the first round picks are protected I’m not okay with it
As Magic fan I want Celtics picks to be unprotected than Magic accept the deal
If not! No!
Make the picks unprotected Nighcap.
2.) 03 Jan 2022 17:26:36
With the way Boucher has been playing as of late I think he has a lot more value.
3.) 03 Jan 2022 17:46:51
Not sure how this helps Boston this year?
I really don't think the maximizing cap space next year is a thing for Orlando to consider. What max-slot level star is looking to play with this roster in Orlando? Beal? Lavine? Ayton? I am sorry but next year's FA pool is very very limited if Harden, Irving, Westbrook and Beal opt into the remaining year of their current deals.
4.) 03 Jan 2022 18:58:11
It probably doesn't help Boston this year.
As far as Orlando or anyone else, it's better to have cap space than to not. Does Charlotte match a max offer for Miles Bridges? Maybe, but it doesn't have to be a max player either. The point is that if Orlando were to trade Ross and Issac, presumably they would receive back players of equal value, but they wouldn't receive picks and a prospect on top of that. It would be either or, but it wouldn't be both. With cap space, they could sign players of comparable value, while still receiving the picks and the prospect.
Darry, what do you think Boucher is worth? Just my two cents but I think it is very minimal.
5.) 03 Jan 2022 19:07:20
As far as protections, that's beyond my brain's capability. This is just guesswork.
6.) 03 Jan 2022 21:53:11
It's not bad, but. Orlando has no need of a Vet PG like Dragic and has not a lot of minutes to give Nesmith. Nesmith is a 2/ 3 and Orlando has a lot of young guards and wings already. Plus, the picks are probably going to be late 1st Rd and little value.
If Orlando could redirect Dragic and Nesmith, or involve another t am in this deal and get a player they could actually use it could be doable.
7.) 03 Jan 2022 22:45:50
The whole point of Dragic is that they don't need him and that they can use his expired salary slot after the end of the season.
8.) 04 Jan 2022 01:30:05
I don't hate it for Toronto, but I agree with Darry on Boucher's value. And he is particularly valuable to the Raptors because he will take a home town discount to stay. he loves playing in Toronto. Happy to be rid of Dragic's 19.4, but don't see much value in taking on Horford's 5M not to play on next year's cap. I think the Raptors are better served with coaches developing players than veterans that aren't familiar with the complex systems Nurse runs.
9.) 04 Jan 2022 12:11:26
I like this. Ross and Nesmith is a swap that makes sense. Similar trade value, and the win now team gets the win now player.
Isaac might have the value of two firsts at the top end. Like you said, high risk. But possibly a huge gain.
10.) 04 Jan 2022 12:15:27
When healthy, Isaac is a big impact player. This is a steal for the Celtics.
11.) 04 Jan 2022 12:18:19
I’m a big fan of Isaac and think he would be a great fit in Boston. However, (i) Ross is overrated and not worth of a protected first, let alone an unprotected one like Mr. MD is demanding in order for him to “ok” this trade (as we all know, a conditio sine qua non for the trade to go down) ; and (ii) Horford, Neismith and 1 unprotected pick seem a bit to much for a player who hasn’t proved yet that he can remain healthy (talking about Isaac, obviously) . It would be a huge gamble on Isaac’s health. Having said that, if Stevens were to pull the trigger, I’d 100% support it. got to take some chances in order to hit the jackpot and build a championship-caliber team.
12.) 04 Jan 2022 12:26:40
So, trade a young player with promising upside to pay a player not to play? Sounds counter productive to me. Granted Isaac has been injured but when he is healthy he is a beast on D.
13.) 04 Jan 2022 16:37:16
It's a not bad trade but horford isn't the center Toronto needs. But would be a good mentor for the young guys.
They should trade for Turner and have tent j off the bench With og barns a siakim Turner and fredy.
14.) 04 Jan 2022 21:06:58
Magic would add mavericks for green and a first for dragic.
15.) 04 Jan 2022 21:29:36
i like how the Boston picks have to be unprotected. Celts will be lucky if they get a lottery pick anytime soon. they are closer to contention than out of it, their picks and young talent can be used to get a legit 3rd star.
the Pistons, Magic, Rockets, Thunder will have the picks that would need to be protected, and i doubt any of them are getting traded anytime soon.
16.) 04 Jan 2022 22:14:59
Wouldn't you have to give up one of those guys to get Turner, Sivret?
17.) 04 Jan 2022 23:00:57
I think Boucher is worth 2 2nds or a late first.
18.) 05 Jan 2022 00:25:31
A late 1st for Boucher? Two 2nds is what the Magic got for Fournier, a much better player. I think he gets Toronto a protected 2nd if a team is desperate.
19.) 08 Jan 2022 11:22:05
jaylen has two more years left. the nba is a "now" business. and the time for the celtics is "now, " not maybe next year if isaac can successfully come back from knee surgery and fulfil "promise and potential. " agree with fredman . its not goign to help the celtics now. a team imo that is one player away. kendrick perkins said today that the celtics are one of the leading teams that has lost by 5 or more fewer points. have lost six games when they have lead by 15 or more. they need another efficient 20 point score that can shoot the 3.
08 Dec 2021 11:31:50
Boston gets-
D. Sabonis
J. Lamb or J. Holiday
Indiana gets-
R. Williams
A. Nesmith
J. Richardson
2 first round picks.
Trading Robert Williams is tricky because his current salary will count for Boston, but for the team getting him it's the average salary for his extension. The solution is Boston absorbing Holiday or Lamb into their Fournier TPE.
1.) 08 Dec 2021 14:19:35
Not sure Sabonis is a good fit. His defense is a question mark to me. I’d rather pay less for Turner, despite de injury history.
2.) 08 Dec 2021 14:31:05
Celtics issue is defense in the paint, so long term, this is bad for Celtics. I think if they want someone from Celtics, that should be Myles Turner.
09 Nov 2021 23:55:25
If Simmons were to go to Boston I'm thinking something like this-
Boston gets-Simmons
Portland gets-
M. Smart
Robert Williams
Philly gets-
CJ McCollum
Aaron Nesmith
2 1sts via Boston
This is just a general framework as I'm sure some adjustments would be needed for salary matching.
You might say, why doesn't Portland just take Simmons? Good question, and it depends how they value him. There could be teams that would be hesitant to pay his max salary much left give up assets. Idk
1.) 10 Nov 2021 00:28:06
I value McCollum a lot more than this. If this is it, just keep him. Portland is considerably worse after this trade. Heck, I don’t think either of those guys start for Portland.
2.) 10 Nov 2021 01:18:01
Maybe McCollum is worth more than that. Keep in mind ages and contracts. Smart 27, Williams 24, McCollum 30. CJ signed for 2 more years after this, Smart and Williams signed for 4 more years each, with the salaries of those 2 adding up to about just his. All relevant factors. Still, maybe one of the 1sts to Philly should go to Portland? I'm not saying this exact trade at all, just saying this is the type of trade that could potentially land Simmons in Boston.
3.) 10 Nov 2021 01:58:32
It’s also the type of trade and ends with Lillard demanding a trade. Age doesn’t change the massive talent drop.
4.) 10 Nov 2021 02:12:06
Nightcap, still, Portland won't trade McCollum for that. They would rather get Simmons themselves and cut Boston out.
5.) 10 Nov 2021 03:37:56
Like I said, a package around smart won’t get it done. He doesn’t have the value that Philly wants or a 3rd team wants (considering they would send good value to Philly)
6.) 10 Nov 2021 10:22:46
I wonder what McCollum's trade value really is. If it were high you'd think they would have tried something a little different by now.
7.) 10 Nov 2021 13:56:41
The problem is that his trade value has never been high. He brings way more than a couple of role players to the floor, but he’s not quite an all star caliber player.
It’s kind of the perfect storm of reasons. Portland wants to win now, and McCollum is a win now player. How many win now teams that have a win now player they’d like to move need a 6’3 scoring guard? The list isn’t long.
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05 Dec 2021 15:31:51
Last night I watched Portland for the first time. Obviously Dame was out but that team is probably as hopeless as any team in the league. Honestly I'd rather be a Magic, Rockets, OKC, or Pistons fan. At least those teams have something to look forward to in the form of young players and or picks. Portland really needs to blow it up while they can, and I'm not talking about getting a guy like Simmons. They need as many young players and picks as they can get and embrace a full rebuild. At the very least they should trade Dame, CJ, Nurkic, Covington, and probably Powell and Nance.
1.) 05 Dec 2021 19:15:31
At least they're not the Celtics.
2.) 06 Dec 2021 01:39:31
Come on Casual, you can do better than that!
25 Mar 2021 20:35:35
Some people kept saying that teams couldn't send out players when using a TPE, but it looks like Boston sent out Teague along with the picks for Fournier. Is there something more to it?
1.) 26 Mar 2021 12:37:45
I had put it out that no contract could be sent back using the TPE, news outlets put it out as such so I just put out what I had heard. I also heard that Boston gave Orlando cash to pay for his salary along with the two picks. So it just goes to show that ALL meadia outlets put out BS equally.
2.) 26 Mar 2021 12:46:15
Also I heard 2.3 mil was sent along with Theis for them to get under the cap.
Any information from anyone here?
3.) 26 Mar 2021 13:55:49
I think it is actually TWO separate trades reported as one because the TPE rule is quite clear in the CBA.
Orlando trades Fournier into Boston's TPE and creates a $17 mil TPE for Orlando.
Boston trades Teague and picks into Orlando's new (or another if Orlando has it) TPE.
So it is more a loophole than anything else.
4.) 26 Mar 2021 15:11:48
I haven't seen the details of how the trades were structured yet, but Teague could go to Orlando as a separate transaction because he is vet minimum and can be traded without anything coming back. Every team is allowed something around 5-6 M per year to send out in trades, and also can take that much back in trades. Money and picks can be used in a TPE.
5.) 26 Mar 2021 16:56:11
AP has the Magic deal as 2 second rounders and TPE for Fournier.
Does this deal really help Boston? My opinion is No! Ainge should have done nothing and used that TPE during the summer.
6.) 26 Mar 2021 19:55:05
What I've read in Boston is-
Teague plus 2 2nds for Fournier.
1.3 mil going to Chicago but no cash to Orlando.
Using Poirier TPE to acquire Kornet and Kanter TPE to acquire Wagner, while creating a new TPE by dealing Theis.
The way I read it in the CBA is that you can't add salary to a TPE, meaning if you have a TPE of 17 mil, and you trade a player making 2 mil, you still can only acquire a player making 17 mil, rather than one making 19 mil. But who knows.
25 Feb 2021 12:25:25
Celtics moves
Trade #1
Boston gets-
K. Lowry
Chicago gets-
K. Walker
G. Williams
Toronto gets-
L. Markannen (re-sign)
O. Porter (exp)
2021 1st via Boston
Trade #2
Boston gets-
A. Horford
OKC gets-
D. Theis
OKC does this because Horford has negative value? Even so, he fits Boston well.
Trade #3
Boston gets-
D. Saric
Phoenix gets-
T. Thompson
C. Edwards
2021 2nd from OKC via Bos
PHX has plenty of forwards but needs a good backup center.
Smart/Nesmith
Lowry/Pritchard
Brown/Langford/Ojele
Tatum/Saric
Horford/R. Williams
Moving forward Saric can start assuming they don't re-sign Lowry. The money they're paying Horford would've went to Kemba.
1.) 25 Feb 2021 13:52:02
no thanks from Toronto.
2.) 25 Feb 2021 14:36:16
I like that for Toronto lol.
3.) 25 Feb 2021 19:23:25
OKC just just Horford up? Seems odd they don’t get even a second.
4.) 26 Feb 2021 01:39:44
Trade #2?
Salaries are off by 70 mil +/ - . Can't see this trade happening unless a third team and someone taking just about all of C's bench and picks.
Honestly I can't see any of these trades happening.
Celtics should have just traded for Cousins, his contract was cheap.
5.) 27 Feb 2021 23:17:54
Trade #2 Boston would use its exception.
6.) 28 Feb 2021 14:46:08
Can't use the TPE like that. It can't be used with a contract player going back to OKC. Picks yes, contract no.
The Horford ship has sailed! Horford will be dealt to a team that can absorb his contract, like the Knicks.
21 Nov 2020 00:13:03
If Boston pulls off the Hayward S & T for Turner and McDermott, I'd like to see them then go after a 4. I don't know a lot about trade exceptions but I understand they have 7.5mil from trading Kanter and Poirier.
Some combination like McDermott, Theis, Edwards, and a 2021 1st for A. Gordon, or T. Young + Markannen.
Then go after someone like Augustine or Temple with their other exception if the Bulls trade works, or Baynes if the Magic trade works.
1.) 21 Nov 2020 03:28:35
That package won’t get you Thad and Markkanen.
28 Jan 2022 12:26:48
I think it would make more sense if it were just Brown for Issac, Suggs, and a draft pick, but Issac would have to show he can stay healthy first. I don't think Boston wants any part of Hield.
27 Jan 2022 20:32:10
Randle is the type of player who should fit on Boston but I don't think he would with his ego.
27 Jan 2022 15:45:07
Utah says yes and Boston says no. Ingles value is very low and Utah is looking to move him for perimeter defense. Given his age, contract, and their situation, Boston would not give up Nesmith for him, nor would they take on the additional salary when they are so close to getting below the tax line.
27 Jan 2022 01:15:37
I am a fan of Brunson but Covington offers nothing. He's not even very good defensively anymore.
24 Jan 2022 22:54:04
I like it, but I think Philly would start Bogdanovic or Curry instead of Thybulle.