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21 Mar 2021 10:37:20
Boston gets-
A. Gordon
Magic gets-
T. Thompson (flip)
R. Langford
G. Williams
2021 1st
Boston gets-
D. Wright (TPE)
Pistons get-
2 2nds
Celtics get a starting 4 and a solid bench player while staying under the hard cap and tax line. Both players signed for next year and they still have 19.5 mil TPE to use in the offseason.
1.) 21 Mar 2021 12:40:34
Love it for every team involved.
2.) 21 Mar 2021 16:56:43
I honestly don't think this will make them better. Gordon is only signed through next season, then it's back to the same position they're in now. Gordon will command a good raise, and if I'm Ainge I'd rather give that raise to Collins long term.
3.) 21 Mar 2021 17:58:37
I don't think they're going to sign anybody to a big long term contract right now because otherwise they can position themselves to have a max slot available when Kemba's contract is up. There are scheduled to be several major free agents that year including Tatum's bud Bradley Beal. With that, it probably does make more sense to go after Barnes rather then Gordon.
11 Mar 2021 20:25:42
Celtics
Boston gets-
A. Gordon
Magic gets-
T. Thompson (flip?)
G. Williams (keep)
J. Teague for salary cap (waive?)
2021 1st top 10 protected
Boston gets-
W. Ellington
Pistons get-
J. Green
2nd Rd pick via OKC
Sign D. Dedmon vet min
Sign RHJ vet Min
Theis/R. Williams/Dedmon/Fall
Gordon/Ojeleye
Tatum/RHJ/Langford
Brown/Ellington/Nesmith/Edwards
Kemba/Smart/Pritchard/Waters
Boston stays under the tax this year and saves their TPEs for offseason.
Smooth is that enough for Gordon for you?
1.) 12 Mar 2021 01:13:58
You'd have to add more youth for Orlando to acknowledge Ainge.
They need to find out what the cost is for John Collins.
Ainge needs to start pulling roses out his butt or he'll be on the outside looking in.
2.) 12 Mar 2021 10:46:04
I don't know about more youth. It's a pick in a deep draft, a young player, and a useful veteran they could flip. Gordon is a poor shooter who turns the ball over. I don't think he's ever done anything or can do something that would warrant a better package.
Collins is not worth the combination of asking price for trade and desired salary moving forward.
06 Mar 2021 11:52:25
Celtics fix
Trade #1 (TPE)
Boston gets-
H. Barnes
Sacramento gets-
2021 1st and a 2nd
Trade #2
Boston gets-
Al Horford
Josh Richardson
Dallas gets-
K. Walker
OKC gets-
T. Thompson
T. Hardaway Jr.
Trade #3
Boston gets-
D. Saric
PHX gets-
D. Theis
G. Williams
A 2nd
Sign D. Dedmon vet minimum
Horford/R. Williams/Dedmon/Fall
Barnes/Saric
Tatum/Ojele/Langford/Green
Brown/Richardson/Nesmith
Smart/Pritchard/Teague/Waters
1.) 06 Mar 2021 13:48:08
Can't use TPE on Barnes because that would exceed the hard cap.
OKC will want draft equity to move Horford. they need his salary to make the minumum line anyways.
Boston would be better off keeping Theis and Williams than taking Saric.
2.) 06 Mar 2021 15:29:21
Rapsfan,
they won't go over the hard cap because they're saving money in the Kemba/ Thompson deal so with a 2nd move you can easily get Barnes with the TPE
OKC got a draft pick to take Horford and they are getting salary in return. What minimum line?
I'd rather have Saric than Theis, especially if Horford and Rob Williams are on the team.
3.) 06 Mar 2021 16:57:43
This isn't a fix, it's not even a bandaid.
C's have only had their starting five on the floor together for less than an hour thus far. Whatever deal they make isn't going to put them over the top this year, so any move that is made should be with the mindset of a piece for the future.
They need to rid themselves of TT, Teague, Theis if possible, this can give some much needed cap relief to acquire a more versatile big, like Vuc.
4.) 06 Mar 2021 17:42:11
You're right. if you execute the trades in the right order you can bring in Barnes on the TPE.
You don't show a pick going to OKC. The point about minimum salary is that OKC isn't going to trade Horford just to cut salary because they have to spend to the minimum (salary floor) anyways. they won't mind moving him but they don't need to, so they will want an asset back.
5.) 06 Mar 2021 18:42:52
I get you rapsfan but they're getting 2 players back that will give them flexibility in the off-season. They received a pick to take on Al Horford. Should they also get a pick to unload him? I've been reading here for a year that he's a negative asset. If that is now incorrect, a pick from Boston or Dallas, and what kind of pick?
And it's not a Band-Aid. They are getting players who are signed for beyond this year. Vucevic solves none of their issues.
6.) 07 Mar 2021 17:43:46
Vuc alone solves 1) two years remaining after this year at a friendlier contract each year. 2) a stretch 5 that is what the C's need.
Trading TT for? To? To open up the needed cap space to acquire Vuc under the TPE.
When Smart returns after the break a lot of their problems will be solved on D.
Kemba looks like the old Kemba again. (Knock on wood! )
Boston will be that team that could challenge the Nets and Philly to maybe be the team that will play Utah or Lakers in the finals.
7.) 08 Mar 2021 01:03:31
The Celtics do not need Vucevic. They need a creator, defense, and toughness. If you think otherwise then you don't watch many Celtic games. He does not provide what they need.
26 Feb 2021 22:20:32
Celtic moves-
Trade #1
Boston gets-
Al Horford
Chicago gets-
K. Walker
OKC gets-
O. Porter Jr.
I think Horford fits Boston well and they tried to re-sign him. He's a very good team defender, guards Embiid as good as anyone, hits 3s, and instantly becomes one of their best passers.
Chicago gives up nothing to take a shot with Kemba. I think he's healthy but has always been overrated.
OKC got assets to take Horford's contract but give up none to get rid of it.
Trade #2
Boston gets-
A. Gordon
Magic get-
G. Williams
C. Edwards
2021 lottery protected 1st
I don't think Gordon is all that but he fits Boston.
Trade #3
Boston gets-
J. Crowder
PHX gets-
T. Thompson
I think these are equal players in value. Boston could use wing depth and PHX needs a back up big.
Trade #4
Boston gets-
A. Burks
NY gets-
J. Green
2 2nds
Smart/Pritchard/Teague/Waters
Brown/Burks/Nesmith
Tatum/Crowder/Langford
Gordon/Ojeleye/Theis
Horford/Theis/R. Williams/Fall
1.) 27 Feb 2021 08:29:59
PHX ain't doing that. Crowder fits perfectly on that team. If PHX wants a back up big they can contact the Cavs for McGee.
2.) 27 Feb 2021 10:38:02
PHX really likes Crowder? I've always thought he sucked but I thought it was a fair trade. The guy I'd love for Boston is Saric, but I don't think he can be traded this year and he'd cost more, I think.
24 Feb 2021 21:46:54
Celtics get-
K.P.
J. Richardson
Bulls get-
K. Walker
G. Williams
Dallas gets-
M. Smart
L. Markannen
O. Porter
2021 1st via Boston
1.) 25 Feb 2021 02:35:12
Looks like a fair trade.
Question is, is the Unicorn going to be healthier than Walker?
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25 Mar 2021 20:35:35
Some people kept saying that teams couldn't send out players when using a TPE, but it looks like Boston sent out Teague along with the picks for Fournier. Is there something more to it?
1.) 26 Mar 2021 12:37:45
I had put it out that no contract could be sent back using the TPE, news outlets put it out as such so I just put out what I had heard. I also heard that Boston gave Orlando cash to pay for his salary along with the two picks. So it just goes to show that ALL meadia outlets put out BS equally.
2.) 26 Mar 2021 12:46:15
Also I heard 2.3 mil was sent along with Theis for them to get under the cap.
Any information from anyone here?
3.) 26 Mar 2021 13:55:49
I think it is actually TWO separate trades reported as one because the TPE rule is quite clear in the CBA.
Orlando trades Fournier into Boston's TPE and creates a $17 mil TPE for Orlando.
Boston trades Teague and picks into Orlando's new (or another if Orlando has it) TPE.
So it is more a loophole than anything else.
4.) 26 Mar 2021 15:11:48
I haven't seen the details of how the trades were structured yet, but Teague could go to Orlando as a separate transaction because he is vet minimum and can be traded without anything coming back. Every team is allowed something around 5-6 M per year to send out in trades, and also can take that much back in trades. Money and picks can be used in a TPE.
5.) 26 Mar 2021 16:56:11
AP has the Magic deal as 2 second rounders and TPE for Fournier.
Does this deal really help Boston? My opinion is No! Ainge should have done nothing and used that TPE during the summer.
6.) 26 Mar 2021 19:55:05
What I've read in Boston is-
Teague plus 2 2nds for Fournier.
1.3 mil going to Chicago but no cash to Orlando.
Using Poirier TPE to acquire Kornet and Kanter TPE to acquire Wagner, while creating a new TPE by dealing Theis.
The way I read it in the CBA is that you can't add salary to a TPE, meaning if you have a TPE of 17 mil, and you trade a player making 2 mil, you still can only acquire a player making 17 mil, rather than one making 19 mil. But who knows.
25 Feb 2021 12:25:25
Celtics moves
Trade #1
Boston gets-
K. Lowry
Chicago gets-
K. Walker
G. Williams
Toronto gets-
L. Markannen (re-sign)
O. Porter (exp)
2021 1st via Boston
Trade #2
Boston gets-
A. Horford
OKC gets-
D. Theis
OKC does this because Horford has negative value? Even so, he fits Boston well.
Trade #3
Boston gets-
D. Saric
Phoenix gets-
T. Thompson
C. Edwards
2021 2nd from OKC via Bos
PHX has plenty of forwards but needs a good backup center.
Smart/Nesmith
Lowry/Pritchard
Brown/Langford/Ojele
Tatum/Saric
Horford/R. Williams
Moving forward Saric can start assuming they don't re-sign Lowry. The money they're paying Horford would've went to Kemba.
1.) 25 Feb 2021 13:52:02
no thanks from Toronto.
2.) 25 Feb 2021 14:36:16
I like that for Toronto lol.
3.) 25 Feb 2021 19:23:25
OKC just just Horford up? Seems odd they don’t get even a second.
4.) 26 Feb 2021 01:39:44
Trade #2?
Salaries are off by 70 mil +/ - . Can't see this trade happening unless a third team and someone taking just about all of C's bench and picks.
Honestly I can't see any of these trades happening.
Celtics should have just traded for Cousins, his contract was cheap.
5.) 27 Feb 2021 23:17:54
Trade #2 Boston would use its exception.
6.) 28 Feb 2021 14:46:08
Can't use the TPE like that. It can't be used with a contract player going back to OKC. Picks yes, contract no.
The Horford ship has sailed! Horford will be dealt to a team that can absorb his contract, like the Knicks.
21 Nov 2020 00:13:03
If Boston pulls off the Hayward S & T for Turner and McDermott, I'd like to see them then go after a 4. I don't know a lot about trade exceptions but I understand they have 7.5mil from trading Kanter and Poirier.
Some combination like McDermott, Theis, Edwards, and a 2021 1st for A. Gordon, or T. Young + Markannen.
Then go after someone like Augustine or Temple with their other exception if the Bulls trade works, or Baynes if the Magic trade works.
1.) 21 Nov 2020 03:28:35
That package won’t get you Thad and Markkanen.
11 Apr 2021 15:15:28
And one more thing, if this was the framework for a deal, replace Pritchard with Langford or Nesmith. Dallas has Brunson and Boston would need a back up for Smart.
11 Apr 2021 15:13:32
I don't think it's too much for Porzingis and he'd be a great fit in Boston. He is unreliable but I still think Mavs say no.
11 Apr 2021 12:47:00
Smart can play the point for Boston as he's their best facilitator. I can see Kemba going to the Mavs if they can't land any FAs, but I would think it's more likely to be for something like Richardson + Kleber.
11 Apr 2021 12:43:56
When I saw the first part I thought oh he's got Boston trading Kemba, getting Horford for him makes some sense. A couple of seconds go by, say what?
05 Apr 2021 19:47:41
Boston believes they have their center already and this would leave a big hole with Brown leaving. On the other hand, Sabonis is Indy's best player and probably the last guy they should trade. I mentioned a Brown/ Sabonis swap a couple of years back but things have changed.