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22 Sep 2021 17:29:38
Per league source to @HoopAnalysisNet, the #Mavs have looked into the idea of trading for #Pacers wing Jeremy Lamb. Dallas has an $11.9M trade exception Lamb would fit into.
14 Sep 2021 21:00:26
Houston trades John Wall
Clippers trade Bledsoe + Kennard + Ibaka.
12 Sep 2021 20:08:50
Per Jon Krawczynski, Minnesota is still hesitant on that front:
As of right now, the Timberwolves do not have a trade package that offers Morey the win-now assets a team in championship mode wants. They are not going to put Karl-Anthony Towns into any type of multi-team deal to try to get the wheels moving and Anthony Edwards remains untouchable as well. Even if the Wolves did include D’Angelo Russell in an offer — and they have talked all summer about building a team with Towns, Edwards and Russell around Simmons — it would not appear to be the magic bullet move that Morey needs to part ways with one of the best defensive players in the league … yet.
This does not make much sense on the Minnesota side of things as there is an old adage that says you must give up talent in order to acquire talent. If the Timberwolves truly want Simmons, they will have to give up at least one of those guys–probably Russell–to make that move happen.
Unless they can get a third team involved, president Daryl Morey will not settle for anything Minnesota offers for him. -- Yahoo Sports.
1.) 13 Sep 2021 05:29:27
I think Daryl Morey should be fired or stepped down let Elton Brand run as a GM take less offers for Ben Simmons he knows his value is low probably take best offers from teams willing to offers less than five first round picks and take one or two first round picks + all star potential
Daryl Morey asking prices is ridiculous.
2.) 13 Sep 2021 11:58:02
Morey should be fired for trying to get the most out of his 25 year old 3x all star? That’s crazy.
We realistically know nothing about what Morey will really take. We know the nonsense that is leaked to the press that is used for leverage. We also don’t know where that leak came from.
3.) 13 Sep 2021 14:25:28
If Minny won't include Towms or ANT there isn't much to talk about. Russell isn't attractive, anyway.
4.) 13 Sep 2021 15:06:23
Lol morey should step down and let the guy who built a line up Simmons/ Josh Richardson/ Harris/ Horford/ Embiid take over the roster building. Comical. Different beast. Same nonsense.
5.) 13 Sep 2021 16:28:57
@xxx. Russell is probably the most attractive PLAY-MAKING PG available in any trade package offered so far. McCollum is probably a close 2nd.
That probably will not change unless Lillard, Fox or Beal become available or Philly is willing to take on salary for a John Wall.
6.) 13 Sep 2021 20:41:16
If Houston was willing to part with Wood as well, I think that would be a pretty great return. Wall has become a very underrated player. He averaged 20 and 7 last year. His health is obviously a huge concern. But if Phili is getting value and Wall is darn near a throw in for salary? I’d think about that.
7.) 13 Sep 2021 20:44:02
McCollum and Covington, or Russell and [insert decent role player] are good returns too. Morey still has options, and they’re not bad. They’re just not superstars. He’s not getting a -better- player back for Simmons+stuff like his goal seems to have been.
8.) 14 Sep 2021 01:10:59
GM Morey is too picky. They could get any players in Sactown aside Fox and Haliburton, and get multiple 1st rounder from Minny. Same in GS, they ask too much (Wiggins, Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody and 2 1st rounders) .
Im also getting tired of Simmons complaining and being problem for Sixers.
I hope he will be traded before training camp.
9.) 14 Sep 2021 04:23:25
Morey is SMART! He made the trade value of Ben extremely HIGH to weed out all of the Bullsh1T trade requests from other teams looking to screw the Sixers over. If he was smart he should have taken the Draft day trade from The GSW of Wiseman, Wiggins, Poole and the 7th and 14th Picks plus future consideration ( (Sixers wanted 2 future 1st Rnd Picks but that’s not going to happen)
( (Those picks turned into Kuminga and Moses Moody. Kuminga is NBA ready and would only sit a year behind Wiggins in Philly as we evaluate Wiggins talent on Defense. (he has offense) . Plus in this trade Philly would receive a great back up for Embiid since he is injury prone.
GSW would have got their man and then need to figure out if Ben can really shot or not. I would have given GSW Shake Milton or Springer to satisfy them getting a shooting guard in return.
If not this trade then its best they wait and make the Sacramento trade: Halliburton, Hield, Bagley III and 2022 unprotected 1st Rnd Pick. For Simmons. And if SAC request Maxey or Thybulle then Sixers should receive a 2024 unprotected 1st Rnd Pick as well.
Those are both FAIR TRADES…….
THOUGHTS……….?
10.) 14 Sep 2021 14:53:16
I SERIOUSLY doubt GS was offering all that for Simmons even without the future draft considerations.
And Philly is not getting Halliburton if the Kings are trading Hield. Kings do not have the wing depth to give up both especially considering how Simmons will not shoot from outside.
Hield, Bagley, 22 unprotected first, 24 lottery protected first is the most the Kings are going.
And I doubt Philly will take this because it does not provide them the playmaking PG that Philly will need with the departure of Simmons.
I am pretty sure Kings are mostly out of the Simmons trade unless they are just a third team sending Hield to Philly for pieces that Philly gets from the third team. Something like Simmons to Portland for McCollum + Covington + picks and Covington + picks to Sacramento for Hield.
Philly starting 5
McCollum
Hield
Thybulle
Harris
Embiid.
06 Sep 2021 14:36:12
Is a Westbrook for Simmons trade doable?
Just curious about the possibility.
1.) 06 Sep 2021 15:09:50
I think we've learned over the past couple of years that virtually anything is "doable" when a creative GM meets a top notch actuary that understands the cap and all its loopholes. This would be a tough one because philly would have to add a player to make salaries work, and the lakers don't really have room on the roster to do that. but if daryl morey and the lakers want it to happen they will find a way.
2.) 06 Sep 2021 16:06:37
Westbrook brings similar issues and has far less value. I can't see the Sixers being remotely interested.
3.) 06 Sep 2021 17:57:00
everything is possible.
But i can't see philly doing this without getting multiple picks.
4.) 06 Sep 2021 21:44:22
Don’t think it makes much sense for either party. Westbrook doesn’t do much to address the Sixers spacing concerns while Simmons isn’t the third scorer behind Bron and AD that the Lakers want. That Lakers defense would be something else though.
5.) 06 Sep 2021 18:49:14
Simmons value dropped but not that far.
02 Sep 2021 13:26:44
According to a source with knowledge of their situation, the Kings spoke to the Sixers weeks ago and made it clear that both De’Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton would not be included in a possible Simmons deal. That stance, the source said, has not and will not change and the internal expectation is that the core of their roster will remain the same heading into training camp later this month.
via Sam Amick @ The Athletic.
1.) 02 Sep 2021 14:22:48
Not a smart move. Simmons and Fox won't work together and offering Fox gives them the best chance to get Simmons and they have an overcrowded backcourt so it would be smart to drop the biggest contract (if you really believe in Haliburton and Mitchell)
2.) 02 Sep 2021 15:57:26
Fox way better than Simmons smunro.
3.) 02 Sep 2021 16:40:31
It is becoming obvious that Philly wants a talented playmaker PG to fill the loss of Simmons departure. The first team to blink and gives up Fox, DLo, Lillard or Beal gets Simmons. Just not seeing these teams giving up these pieces for a broken Simmons.
Who else has a quality PG available to trade? Wall in Houston? Murray in SA?
4.) 02 Sep 2021 16:50:14
Why does everyone call Simmons broken? He hasn’t been shooting 3s for years and still been an All Star?
5.) 02 Sep 2021 17:10:04
It is weird how 7 games can totally break your reputation.
Fred: there’s another team that could blink. And it’s Phili. They could take McCollum or Hield or someone of that caliber as their centerpiece. I’d put DLo in that group more than with the other guys you mentioned, same with Wall.
I wouldn’t consider moving Fox for Simmons, I think that would be an idiotic move. I do think Sacramento is making a bad call refusing to include Hali though. Maybe I just didn’t watch him enough, but he doesn’t have an all star type likely ceiling, right? He seems like he’s more likely to top into the McCollum/ Tobias Harris/ FVV/ Brogdon type tier.
6.) 02 Sep 2021 17:52:05
I like the Brogdon comparison for Hali.
7.) 02 Sep 2021 18:55:27
@smunro. Not sure Kings "believe in" Mitchell quite yet. They see him on the right path, but he has to show this level of development consistently during the season (much like Halliburton had to do last year) .
Halliburton is what I would call "a jack of all trades, master of none" at this stage of his development. And that is where his value truly lies -- flexibility to play different roles. When paired with Fox in the backcourt, Halli would become the typical "3&D" player (reminded me some of Doug Christie) ; however, when paired with Hield, Halli's playmaking while running the P&R and making the correct pass/ shoot decision (5.3 assts/ 1.6 turnovers) is pretty nice as well especially when Fox missed some games. Probably not enough to be All-Star material, but definitely valuable in roster building being able to be on the court with anyone (can't say that about Simmons) .
I thought about adding McCollum to the list of Philly targets; however, I, personally, am not sold McCollum's playmaking abilities. Just probably haven't seen enough of it with the ball mostly being in Lillard's hands. If Philly sees the playmaking skills, then sure.
I consider Simmons "broken" because he has shown no ability to "fix" those things that are "broken" in his game. Primarily we are talking about shooting from 3pt line and the FT line. I know Simmons gets voted to All-Star teams, but I am not convinced that Simmons can "got get me a bucket in crunch time" like most All-Stars are capable of. Simmons has talent, but it is missing the most significant talent needed in the league, shooting from all levels.
8.) 02 Sep 2021 20:05:27
@Fredman I agreed with you Ben Simmons all he do is dunks layup playmaker defense but he folded under pressure he can’t be on the game during fourth quarter because when players fouls him he going to missed the free throws Coaches will bench Ben Simmons in fourth quarter he can’t be trusted to get a buckets that why I said he is role players Ben Simmons is Draymond Green 2.0 he is too lazy to improve his games he got weaknesses.
9.) 05 Sep 2021 22:55:58
Then the Kings can stay locked in mediocrity.
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25 Sep 2021 13:15:04
In an appearance on the latest episode of the Brian Windhorst and The Hoop Collective podcast, here’s what MacMahon said:
Just to put in perspective what the expectations were [for the 2020-21 season], and what the buzz was around Tyler Herro a year ago: I’m pretty certain that the Rockets had more interest in Herro — I mean, it would’ve been Herro plus a hell of a lot more — as a potential centerpiece of a Harden package than they did Ben Simmons.
1.) 25 Sep 2021 18:20:36
I think that makes Houston look really stupid more than anything else.
25 Sep 2021 00:33:35
“The NBA has reviewed and denied Andrew Wiggins’ request for religious exemption from the San Francisco Department of Public Health’s order requiring c.v. vax for all participants age 12 and older at large indoor events. Wiggins will not be able to play in Warriors home games until he fulfills the city’s vax requirements. ”.
1.) 25 Sep 2021 10:15:19
Wild times we’re living in.
2.) 25 Sep 2021 18:24:00
I don’t understand how the NBA has any say in this anyway. It’s a city mandate. Maybe the league said no because they have no authority or because the city told them no? I don’t know, but the statement makes no sense to me.
22 Sep 2021 17:32:35
The most striking thing about Mitchell, Haliburton said, was how hard he works on the court and in the gym.
“I think he works so hard that it’s no surprise why he is where he is and has had the success he has had in his basketball career, ” Haliburton said. “So, that’s refreshing for me to see a guy working like that. It makes me work harder and I hope everybody sees that and it works that way for everybody. ”
This is (Momba) mentality is exactly why Mitchell is not being included in any Simmons trade offers. Sacramento needs a guy dedicated on working on his game unlike Simmons.
1.) 22 Sep 2021 19:41:37
We want 🦊.
2.) 22 Sep 2021 21:47:09
You get 🥜s.
21 Sep 2021 13:19:22
Jason Anderson
@JandersonSacBee
Kings point guard De'Aaron Fox says he welcomes the addition of Davion Mitchell and his defensive mindset, saying it's "great for the team" and "he’s definitely going to come in and help us change a lot of that. "
“He’s an older rookie, so he’s more NBA ready and he’s a stronger guy. He’s over 200 pounds at like 6-foot or 6-1, so I think he’s ready. I think he’s ready to contribute to the team now. We’ve played pickup and he’s an NBA player. ” -- De'Aaron Fox on Davion Mitchell.
1.) 21 Sep 2021 22:29:24
Seems like the new core is Fox-Halliburton-Mitchell.
2.) 22 Sep 2021 08:47:14
don't you think that a 6-0 and 6-3 backcourt is to small?
3.) 22 Sep 2021 13:39:21
@Gasupo. Perhaps, but the "big" 2-guards are not as prevalent as it use to be. Plus, the modern day NBA doesn't have 2-guards posting up players like they use to do with Jordan and Kobe. Chicago may be a problem with Lonzo and LaVine. Plus, can that "big" keep up with Fox on the break?
4.) 22 Sep 2021 17:20:39
Plenty of teams have been successful with two smaller guards. Toronto, Dallas, and Miami won rings with smaller guards. Portland has been good. The Bucks weren’t big (but not tiny) .
5.) 22 Sep 2021 17:35:18
Also, the thing about size in the back court has a little to do with rebounding and the size of the other teammates. I don't think it's an issue as long as the team is not getting killed on the boards.
21 Sep 2021 01:45:40
ESPN analyst Kendrick Perkins, who previously played for a number of NBA teams, thinks Wall could be a better fit with the 76ers than disgruntled All-Star Ben Simmons. His analysis:
Last year, we got a glimpse of the old John Wall…I still think John Wall can help somebody. I can see John Wall going to the Clippers, or even maybe Philly. I don’t know what’s going on with the Ben Simmons situation, but I think John Wall in Philly with Joel Embiid is better than Ben Simmons in Philly with Joel Embiid, because John Wall is actually going to take those shots and be aggressive. John Wall is not going to be afraid to go to the free-throw line.
I know his contract, he’s due almost $100 million over the next two years, but at the end of the day, I still think he has something to offer to a contending team.
1.) 21 Sep 2021 09:49:05
Kendrick Perkins is just getting on tv and saying whatever rich Paul tells him to.
2.) 21 Sep 2021 13:20:54
So you disagree that a healthy John Wall provides more to Philly than a "non-shooting" Ben Simmons?
3.) 21 Sep 2021 14:27:44
No. I agree. but that doesn’t make it a good trade for philly. Anyone offers more than a guy refusing to play.
4.) 21 Sep 2021 14:31:44
This is starting to sound a little similar as the Simmons Harden trade rumors.
5.) 21 Sep 2021 15:17:32
I don’t think a “healthy” Wall exists anymore. He put up stats last year, but he wasn’t prime Wall. His efficiency was awful.
And no, Wall doesn’t provide more than Simmons. He provides more as a primary ball handler. But Simmons brings a lot to the table that Wall couldn’t even in his prime.
6.) 21 Sep 2021 22:32:43
@BMiller. Convenient that you left out Wall's shooting ability over Simmons.
Right now, I think Philly is getting into the "something better than nothing" mode.
7.) 22 Sep 2021 01:09:56
Wall shot 40% from the field and 31% from 3 last year. That’s pretty terrible. Is that better than Ben? Just because he’s willing to shoot, even though he misses them?
8.) 22 Sep 2021 01:49:01
What's the descripency in FT%? YOU seem to ALWAYS leave that part out when talking about Simmon's (lack of) shooting.
9.) 22 Sep 2021 13:35:44
75% vs 61%. Sure, Wall gets one good advantage. Wall is +14% from that, Simmons is +16% from the field.
10.) 22 Sep 2021 17:36:57
So which is better? Wall giving all he gives to the Sixers or Sixers getting nothing as Ben sits out of games.
11.) 22 Sep 2021 19:44:50
Wall will be there for them at the deadline. If the sixers are going to take a bad deal, they’re going to get a bunch of money from Simmons first. No need to rush to a bad deal.
25 Sep 2021 13:58:26
Pacers are looking to put the ball in LaVert's hands. Not having the ball makes Dlo less valuable.
Minny has already stated that they are not including Dlo in a Simmons package.
25 Sep 2021 12:15:37
There must come a time when one learns what ones limitations are.
25 Sep 2021 00:48:32
@NBA16. You missed improving every year while remaining the same every year. Plus scoring.
24 Sep 2021 19:49:40
The space between his ears.
24 Sep 2021 16:54:11
How about Simmons, Murray, MPJ and Jokic? That seems the best if I am Denver.