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06 Feb 2020 19:10:57
Surprised that the Mavs didn't jump in on Drummond when it appeared that expiring deals and a second rounder was enough for Detroit.

Lee+Powell+GSW 2nd.


1.) 06 Feb 2020 20:14:22
Just got WCS.

2.) 06 Feb 2020 20:20:47
Powell not expiring.

3.) 06 Feb 2020 20:29:01
ddrainer is having nervouse breakdown. Zll yr propose expiring and 2nd and we all mocked him. Now the Cavs are all over over it.

4.) 06 Feb 2020 22:16:06
Curious to see how the opt in/ out, FA period goes for Drummond.

5.) 07 Feb 2020 11:05:15
The most poster? s here are neigther real hoopers nor NBA hardened. Anyway Drummond is a chance and a risk, since he has a player option of 29m next year. I learned Mavs have two reasons not to try out on him.
- Beal may be available for a fair offer in the summer and would perfectly fit @Mavs.
- You can see what a real Center like WCS immediatelly can provide on the defense side but you also the offense side becomes stack or that funny flow goes a bit lost. So I think beside Beal Mavs will have a look on Turner next years and what you can learn from Mavs as well ist patience.
Mavs will have 4 young player after this years draft and 2 1st availalbe to improve and if we seen till a year is gone Beal and / or Turner @DAL it will pretty nice. So we may figure out some nice probosals on that.

Finalley I would have like the try on MKG if the Hornets would have agreed to send him for Lee - but not for a pick.

6.) 07 Feb 2020 16:04:23
I guess what I am trying to say is that Dallas coukd have gotten Drummond instead of WCS with that same 2nd round draft pick.



06 Feb 2020 13:02:01
Whiteside buyout and signing with Houston?


1.) 06 Feb 2020 13:26:08
I can see Portland doing this to get under the tax line, but that would mean Whiteside giving back 6 M of the 10M he's owed through the rest of the season. He won't recover that signing with Houston. so. how badly does Whiteside want to play and compete in the playoffs?
On the other hand, if Portland doesn't make the playoffs they may pay more and take some savings.

2.) 06 Feb 2020 14:09:22
Buyouts don't directly impact salary caps. The resigned salary is removed from old teams salary cap. That's about it. Buyouts only save actual cash and create roster spots.

3.) 06 Feb 2020 15:17:57
Fredman. I thought that if Whiteside settles for a buyout that is lower than the salary owed, then the savings on what's owed would come off the cap. ie only what's been paid so far this season plus the buyout would count against the cap, but any money Whiteside gave back wouldn't.

4.) 06 Feb 2020 16:44:00
Windrap. Na, it doesn't quite work like that. For example, if Whiteside takes a buyout for $30K less and then resigns this season with Houston for $1 mil. The $1 mil comes off Portland's salary cap (and any luxury tax calculations) while Portland saves $30k in actual salary payments. So its a win-win. Player makes an additional $970K this season while the team benefits with less actual payments and getting below the luxury tax line (or lowering the amount in luxury tax that they pay) .

Which was such a surprise that Iggy didn't get bought out this season.



05 Feb 2020 11:05:09
Report out there that GSW has already rejected a DLo for Wiggons + 2020 Minny first+2020 Brooklyn first offer.


1.) 05 Feb 2020 11:39:12
Fredman- I hope ninny trades Kat to sac carmento for heild bagkey 2020 first, 2022 first and 2021 pick swap.

2.) 05 Feb 2020 12:29:31
No gsw rejected wiggins+Brooklyn pick+Houston pick+Minnesota pick. Because Minnesota wants to put protection on the pick. Gsw wanted Brooklyn pick and 2 Minnesota pick unprotected and wiggins.

3.) 05 Feb 2020 14:10:41
Shiller, I am sure that deal will not happen.



04 Feb 2020 02:57:16
Sac trades Bogdanovich, Dedmond + 2020 lottery protected first (2 seconds if not conveyed)

Houston trades Capella + Nene

Kings waive Nene before 2020 guarenteed contract kicks in.

Kind of feel this is an overpay, but its what Houston is looking for.


1.) 04 Feb 2020 12:41:09
I would agree that it's an overpay if the 1st were to convey, but that's pretty doubtful. Rumor has it that Houston wants the picks to get Covington, so Bogdanovich really doesn't move the needle.



02 Feb 2020 20:59:57
Saw this one on Fanside and thought it worked.

Kings trade Bodganovich and Holmes

Clippers trade Shamet, Robinson, Zubac and 2020 first rounder.


1.) 03 Feb 2020 07:12:08
Clippers might say no. Shamet can be as good as Bogdan.

2.) 03 Feb 2020 12:49:44
Knickjoker, shooting, yea. Playmaking, no.




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15 May 2020 01:22:23
I am really curious how the NBA is going to work this years lost revenue (from the virus stopage and lost China TV revenues) .

Silver said $300M in revenue was lost with China TV. That is roughly $5M per team (cap space) . A drop from $115M next year to $110M.

If the season ended with no other gamss played, the NBA will have lost around 50% of their revenue (especially considering no playoff and championship games) . Could this really drop the cap down by 50%? From $110M to $55M? All the max salary players would then be making 50% less as well?

Hmmm. Seems like a good motivation for all the All-Stars to want to finish this season and get revenures as high as possible.


1.) 15 May 2020 04:32:34
If the NBA lose so does the players. no need to try to get back that money just keep going and take as lose. That may cause a lock out and more loses. The government should fix the loses.

2.) 15 May 2020 14:08:14
ll, why would it cause a lock out? Any money that the nba takes back would be legal under the cba that the players union agreed to. The players would have no reason to strike.

Also, the government should bail out the NBA? Why should our tax dollars go to make sure millionaires and billionaires don’t lose any money? That’s ridiculous. Bail outs as is are pretty bad, but at least they’re typically saving jobs, keeping a needed service up and running and/ or helping to stabilize the financial system. We already buy most of these stadiums. There’s no reason that they should be getting a buy out.

3.) 15 May 2020 16:47:29
I think they’ll figure out a way to smooth the cap out. Maybe reduce the cap by 5 or so million a year until the deficit is made up. A one year drop of that much is bad for both sides, so they’d both have motivation to make sure it doesn’t happen.

Only the max contracts that kick in that year would be affected if they didn’t. A max contract signed previously is set by the max when it kicks in, then has standard increases. Each year isn’t affected by the cap of that year.

Hell, the best thing that could happen to Portland is for the cap to crater that one year. It’s when Lillard and McCollum both have their extensions kick in. They would both go drastically down, opening up enormous cap space. But I don’t see how that’s fair to those players.

4.) 17 May 2020 15:06:39
I doubt the owners are going to smooth out the cap hit while it's going down after the players refused to do just that as it went up. and I don't think we can assume that revenues will be down for just one year. … depending on whether there's a second wave of the virus in the fall you might see games being played in empty arenas for 2 to 3 years. until there's a viable treatment or vaxxine you're not going to see 20,000 people in one building. and even if a vaxxine is developed by the end of this year (very optimistic) you still have millions and millions of people to vaccinate before it's safe. I think you're going to see a huge hit to the cap. lots of 1 year contracts at the minimum until all the existing big dollar contracts expire. and yes. you can bet your ass that kawhi and pg and others with 21 options will be staying put.

5.) 17 May 2020 16:38:09
It will be a lockout to go over new financial situations. And agree how they move forward and share money.

6.) 17 May 2020 21:29:24
Are we talking about players striking or owners locking them out? Seems like Rkenne and II are talking about 2 seperate things.

Not sure this "can" can be kicked down the road when followung seasons are so unsure. An option is to suspend the actual (end of year) luxury tax payments teams would have to make over next couple of seasons. Luxury tax levels still apply to trades and signings, but not collected and redistributed. Also think amniesty waivers may be brought back as well.

7.) 18 May 2020 05:44:17
If there a disagreement over lost revenue that could cause a lock out. When the owners should take a lose and players already going to lose salary. So there both losing but moving forward and accepting the loses should delay further losses. So the fans can enjoy basketball.

8.) 19 May 2020 16:19:09
there is absolutely no reason for a strike or lockout due to revenues. the split of revenue is contractual and both sides would be required to live up to the terms of the contract. there could be a strike/ lockout over playing conditions if the union determined the league's efforts to keep players safe were not sufficient. and when billionaires and millionaires are fighting over money nobody gives a rats ass about fans.

9.) 19 May 2020 18:37:06
Rapsfan, the owners are going to want smoothing because of the luxury tax implications. As is, the majority of the league could be in the luxury tax. It’s not like they’ll be giving up money. They’ll just be moving around future earnings.

10.) 19 May 2020 23:34:58
Yeah, that’s the difference between this and the cap spike. This benefits both sides to smooth. I don’t think smoothing the spike benefited the players much. That’s why I think they’ll try to smooth it out and succeed in it.

11.) 20 May 2020 03:23:15
But paying the luxury tax has nothing to do with the players. That money goes to the NVA head office to disperse to non-tax teams as well as fund projects like youth basketball camps, and camps abroad like in Africa.

Which is why I believe collecting the tax from teams will be suspended as a way of flattening the spike wihout having to negotiate with the players. It will pass the owners because a majority will already be over the tax.

12.) 20 May 2020 04:02:19
The fans make basketball possible.



08 May 2020 21:48:00
what happens if the NBA season starts before the travel ban is lifted?

Some teams foreign players (like Doncic) went back to Europe.


1.) 08 May 2020 23:43:32
They could either fly into Canada and come across to the US? Or I bet they could get a special exception on a private flight and get tested right off the plane and quarantined until the results come in. Enough money makes it happen.

2.) 09 May 2020 02:54:14
Canada and Mexico have similar travel bans.

3.) 09 May 2020 17:06:55
Canada and US border closed isn't it?

4.) 09 May 2020 20:04:56
The only "official" stoppage I am aware of is if the Canadians had recently travelled to China or Iran. There is probably one as well if the travellers have a fever as well.

5.) 10 May 2020 01:40:21
There’s quite a few exceptions to the EU ban, I think they could get in if they wanted right now.

6.) 10 May 2020 15:43:26
Canada/ US border is open only to essential travel. nurses from Canada crossing into Detroit every day to work in hospitals there for instance. anyone coming into Canada must isolate for 14 days, so if players try to cross through Canada they'll have to accommodate for that. Canada is being very strict on this. actors filming in Canada included. they must isolate for 14 days before they can enter public spaces.



10 Apr 2020 19:35:23
Which most likely to happen?

Utah trades Gobert for a small return (expirings + mid first)

Utah trades Mitchell for a treasure trove

Utah manages to keep both and fix their relationship

Some other option.


1.) 10 Apr 2020 20:38:29
They both stay in Utah.
Gobert's value is higher than what they can get in return.
And you just don't trade Mitchell.

2.) 10 Apr 2020 20:50:05
Mitchell is on his rookie deal still so idk if u can get value to be matched.

3.) 10 Apr 2020 20:57:13
Why would you ever trade an allstar caliber player on a rookie deal?

4.) 10 Apr 2020 21:53:06
Rkeene knowing he wants out is the only reason I could see.

5.) 10 Apr 2020 22:04:01
Of those 3, they keep both.

The fourth option is the most likely: Utah gets a really good haul for Gobert.

Sure, they’ll get lowball offers for him, but it only takes one or two teams to be serious about getting him to drive the value up. Then they can take that value to the lowball teams to get a real offer.

6.) 11 Apr 2020 01:01:50
List teams that may be interested in giving real offers.

San Antonio? Boston? Sacramento? Portland? Brooklyn? New Orleans?

7.) 11 Apr 2020 08:41:06
Fredman, New Orleans can offer a very good package like Holiday, Hayes, Miller and fillers plus picks for Gobert and Conley but i’m just worried if he fits in with Zion? Maybe yes. But i really like a Brooklyn trade involving Allen, LeVert and picks.



29 Mar 2020 02:26:46
Shizzee may have just caught a break. James Dolan tested Positive today.


1.) 30 Mar 2020 22:24:04
What if Shizzee IS James Dolan?

2.) 31 Mar 2020 13:27:44
Too much to hope for.



16 Mar 2020 02:20:52
Also, doesn't nba season now conflict with Olmpics?


1.) 16 Mar 2020 12:01:32
Olympics will get delayed if not canceled.

2.) 16 Mar 2020 13:17:25
Reports still say July 24th opening ceromonies.

3.) 18 Mar 2020 23:12:49
Fredman if they reschedule now lose ticket sales and sponsors.

4.) 20 Mar 2020 11:38:05
Shiller, I think the IOC is trying to cash in on the TV ratings because there is no other sports to consume. Not sure athletes will attend thou. Especially is US still has their international travel ban in place.




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01 Jun 2020 16:01:09
Left off a "0" there, rubio.




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01 Jun 2020 15:57:05
OKC owns Denver's 2020 first.

FYI. As soon as you say "a little complicated move", you should probably just stop.




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01 Jun 2020 15:52:32
Indy paying too much (2 borderline All-Stars + 2 firsts for a borderline All-Star) and Lakers don't pay enough.




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01 Jun 2020 04:18:30
Not seeing Larry Nance getting ghe Cavs a first. Let alone a first and a second.




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01 Jun 2020 04:16:25
Was trying to think how Green and Gordon work together. Not seeing it.





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