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24 Jun 2022 15:29:19
The Athletic's Zach Harper cited sources in reporting Wednesday that Sacramento has inquired with the Phoenix Suns about a potential sign-and-trade for the big man, who went from being viewed as a key piece of that franchise's future to a question mark after they were blown out by the Dallas Mavericks in Game 7 of the Western Conference semifinals.

Fredman

1.) 24 Jun 2022 20:24:48
Why would the kings possibly want another center when have Sabonis and Holmes, makes no sense.


2.) 25 Jun 2022 01:10:36
Hyena, to be honest, I thonk Holmes is on his way to Dallas. Kings GM said in interview after the draft that could not talk about the trading of pick #37 to Dallas because there were ongoing negotiations to expand the trade beyond draft picks.


3.) 25 Jun 2022 10:41:28
Kings trying to corner the market on players drafted before doncic? In a league where wing play is vital, only thing kings don’t need is a PG and a C, Ayton just a waste of money for kings.


 

 

24 Jun 2022 02:43:27
Sources: The draft picks that New York acquired from OKC in the No. 11 Ousmane Dieng trade:

- 2023 protected 1st rounder via Detroit
- 2023 protected 1st rounder via Washington
- 2023 protected 1st rounder via Denver.

Fredman

1.) 24 Jun 2022 04:03:25
Send Boston one of those picks plus Cam Reddish to take Fournier into the Fournier TPE.


2.) 24 Jun 2022 05:02:06
Those are some pretty underwhelming picks to be honest. Knicks should've kept Dieng.


3.) 24 Jun 2022 05:24:12
Washington and Denver conveys in 2023 and Detroit conveys in 2024 early prediction.


4.) 24 Jun 2022 13:49:59
Denver pick went to Charlotte to get Duren before sending him & Walker to Detroit.


5.) 24 Jun 2022 20:16:10
and the Knicks got that lovely 2025 Bucks 1st that Portland graciously gave us for Jerami Grant

lesson we learned: every draft pick is valuable, even if it sounds like its useless cause its 3-5 years from now.


 

 

23 Jun 2022 19:12:49
Cleveland has purchased Kings second rounder #49. Can't just send cash considerations so Cleveland included the rights to a foreign player who will probably never see the NBA.

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23 Jun 2022 16:27:50
Saw this one this morning and I almost spit out my coffee

Kings trade #4 + Holmes
Knicks trade #11, Randle + Dallas 2023 protected first
Hawks trade Collins

Knicks get #4 (Ivey) + Holmes
Hawks get Randle + Dallas 2023 protected first
Kings get #11 (Johnny Davis) + Collins.

Kings use most of their salary cap space to complete the deal.

Fredman

1.) 23 Jun 2022 16:41:08
Knicks not giving up near enough value to move up to pick 4 and get Holmes. Dallas pick going to be in the late 20's next year and Randle doesn't hold much value by himself on that contract. Plus my mom shoots the ball better than him.


 

 

23 Jun 2022 16:15:02
Marc Stein: The Hawks are weighing a variety of scenarios as they pursue a John Collins trade in connection with Thursday’s draft, with a deal headlined by Collins and Sacramento’s Harrison Barnes among Atlanta’s prime options, league sources say.

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24 Jun 2022 14:26:25
Can anyone explain the difference in return for what the Knicks got for #11 and what Charlotte got for #13?

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24 Jun 2022 03:28:04
Damn, Detroit. Wouldn't trade up to #4 and then take Gabriele Procida one pick before the Kings 2nd round selection.

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23 Jun 2022 00:31:30
So what is the current trade value for John Collins after seeing what Houston got for Wood and what Detroit got for Grant?

A good expiring contract lottery protected pick?

Fredman

1.) 23 Jun 2022 01:15:11
I think you have to consider the circumstances of each team. Houston wants a larger role for Sengun and with another big coming in (likely) at #3, Wood became much more expendable. Sending him out for expiring contracts also clears space for them moving forward so they took back less than market value to accomplish all of those things.

Detroit did something similar with the Grant deal IMO. Without taking any contracts/ players back, they clear cap space to go after a guy like Ayton, and open up more playing time for whoever they take at 5.

Atlanta is probably more interested in adding a win-now piece than adding picks or clearing a ton of cap space.


2.) 23 Jun 2022 01:17:23
It's tricky because Wood and Grant only have 1 year left on their deals while Collins is locked up. But what if teams think he's overpaid?

I wouldn't mind if Boston offered something like Derrick White, Grant Williams, and a 1st, but I wouldn't go much more than that.


3.) 23 Jun 2022 02:18:49
Fredman- wood and grant were both one year rentals. Collins just signed so he might be worth more.


4.) 23 Jun 2022 05:31:32
@Shiller. You meant just OVERsigned right? And that sort of cancels being signed for multiple years.


5.) 23 Jun 2022 14:36:04
I’ll take a good young 3rd option at 25mil.


6.) 23 Jun 2022 20:18:34
I think Collins is at least a tier better than Grant and Wood. I don’t think they’ll trade him for cheap.


 

 

22 Jun 2022 22:41:58
The Detroit Pistons traded 28-year-old wing Jerami Grant to the Portland Trail Blazers for a top-four protected 2025 first-round draft pick from the Milwaukee Bucks, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Guess Detroit is not gettig that #7 pick that they kept saying Grant was worth.

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07 Jun 2022 19:01:42
"Now comes word from long-time Kings reporter James Ham that Sacramento will indeed listen to offers for the No. 4 pick.

League sources have confirmed that the Kings will listen to trade the pick for the right price. The cost will be steep, but that is expected when you are talking about a No. 4 overall pick.

It is expected that Jabari Smith, Chet Holmgren and Paolo Banchero — three big men who would fit the Kings’ needs — will be the first three picks in the draft. While Ham says the Kings would be open to moving up to select one of them, the cost likely would be too steep (a top-five protected first-round pick next season, at a minimum) . "

The main team that I have heard wanting to move up to #4 has been NY (Ivey seems like a natural fit) . However, the Knicks main asset (Randle) is simply a poor fit with Sabonis and would have to be moved to a third team.

Washington has also been a consideration of putting Ivey next to Beal, but Washington's lack of a 2023 first round pick (protected until 2025) is the main problem for putting a deal together.

Fredman

1.) 07 Jun 2022 23:31:33
Kevin O’Connor suggested 7 and Hart for 4. I didn’t think that sounded like enough to move up. I also don’t know if I’d give up that much to move up (if that makes any sense at all) .


2.) 08 Jun 2022 11:52:50
Yea, Bmiller, that is kinda the poblem I am having as I do not see teams 5-9 that interested in moving up. And I doubt the Kings are too interesterested in moving ll the way back to 10-12.


3.) 08 Jun 2022 16:44:17
Maybe if the Knicks can't get to 4 for Ivey, then they ate getting to 7 for Daniels to run the point?


4.) 08 Jun 2022 21:01:39
Outside of Smith, Holmgren, and Banchero, I don't know much about the rest of this class (I admittedly don't pay much attention when the Raptors aren't in the first round - what a homer. ) . Is there anyone left after those three that would be a no-brainer to move up to get? Or is it more like last year where after the top 4 or 5, anyone who would have landed Giddey, Kuminga, Wagner, Mitchell would have been fine with it regardless of where they picked?


5.) 09 Jun 2022 01:22:55
@jdc. cal Ivey has a respectful chance of being in the top-4, if Orlando, Houston and OKC were not guard heavy rosters.


6.) 11 Jun 2022 14:45:12
What would Kings want from OKC for that 4 pick, 10th and 2 first (Denver, Detroit/ Washington) or they would want more player maybe?


 

 

 

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25 Jun 2022 10:32:03
Opts in.

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25 Jun 2022 10:31:06
If NY is sending ANY firsts to Dallas it will be from the crappy picks that they just acquired during the Draft (2025 Milwaukee? ) .

Also you are basically saying that Brunson >> Brogdon+Turner which I do not agree with.

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25 Jun 2022 01:10:36
Hyena, to be honest, I thonk Holmes is on his way to Dallas. Kings GM said in interview after the draft that could not talk about the trading of pick #37 to Dallas because there were ongoing negotiations to expand the trade beyond draft picks.

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25 Jun 2022 01:07:34
At least half for what Aytonissigning for in the first year.

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24 Jun 2022 13:49:59
Denver pick went to Charlotte to get Duren before sending him & Walker to Detroit.

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25 Jun 2022 01:12:11
Banchero better be Tatum 2.0.

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24 Jun 2022 15:33:18
@psiphon. Yea, when Kings start thinking about "fit" is when things go sideways.

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24 Jun 2022 14:36:38
I think Banchero gets a bigger chunk of Orlando's offense than Smith ot Ivey does (because of Green/ KPJ and Cunningham) .

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24 Jun 2022 14:33:05
Kings went for the more-productive, better fit prospect than the "flashy" highlight reel prospect. Remember that Ivey was not even the Big 10 player of the year (Johnny Davis) .

But it does have the feel of Bagley 2.0.

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24 Jun 2022 03:06:43
Couldn't get Houston to trade up to #1?

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