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24 Sep 2021 01:54:36
Sam Amico reported that the Nuggets have emerged as a sleeper team in the Ben Simmons sweepstakes. Here's how I think that'd work:

Nuggets get Ben Simmons and Tyrese Maxey

76ers get Jamal Murray, Bol Bol, and a lottery protected 2028 first round pick


1.) 24 Sep 2021 02:08:56
Nuggets say no Jamal Murray way better player than Ben Simmons I chose Jamal Murray over Ben Simmons.

2.) 24 Sep 2021 02:59:31
Jamal is coming off an ACL tear though, he might not ever be the same player unfortunately.

3.) 24 Sep 2021 03:37:40
Barton, Morris, and MPJ for Simmons, Maxey, and Joe seems to fit contractually.

I think I like it for both.

Agreed that Murray isn’t happening. They shouldn’t consider including him.

4.) 24 Sep 2021 04:55:07
Murray would be the player the 6ers want the most, and I can't see the Nuggets wanting to trade MPJ for anyone really. Pre-injury Murray probably was untouchable but I think there's room for discussion now.

5.) 24 Sep 2021 05:37:07
When is the last time a young guy came back from an ACL and wasn’t the same? That surgery has gotten so good that it’s incredibly rare.

6.) 24 Sep 2021 05:57:50
I think Nuggets say no just Bc of the fit. Simmons would work wonders with Murray as teammate. However I think it’s wrong to think Simmons doesn’t come close to Murray in value lol? All Murray has over him is shooting, Simmons is elite in every other category plus healthier.

7.) 24 Sep 2021 06:23:40
How about Derrick Rose?

8.) 24 Sep 2021 09:49:18
Casual, that was 9 years ago and his game before depended so much on him being explosive. If he had Murray’s skill set he probably remains an all star in the East for a few years.

9.) 24 Sep 2021 13:40:06
Barton + Gordon in December when players are available to be traded?

10.) 24 Sep 2021 14:50:50
Rose doesn’t really count to me because he was simply never healthy again. His body just couldn’t take it. It wasn’t the ACL, it was just him.

11.) 24 Sep 2021 14:56:21
Philly can want anything, it doesn’t mean they can get it. Murray would be untouchable if I’m running Denver.

Murray is a closer NBA16. You can give him the ball at the end of a game and feel confident in the outcome. Simmons will never be that guy. And that’s a huge piece of being a star guard.

I get the love for MPJ, but he’s not better than Murray yet. And if I had to bet, I’d say Murray has the better career peak. That’s why I’d trade Porter and not Murray.

I also think a group of Simmons, Porter, Gordon, and Jokic is possibly a terrible fit together. Simmons, Murray, Gordon, Jokic seems much better.

12.) 24 Sep 2021 16:54:11
How about Simmons, Murray, MPJ and Jokic? That seems the best if I am Denver.

13.) 24 Sep 2021 17:08:18
I just don’t see any way that philly moves Simmons to Denver and doesn’t get MPJ (or Murray) back. If you want an all star, you have to part with your best prospect.



23 Sep 2021 17:35:39
Clippers get Ben Simmons

76ers get Luke Kennard, Reggie Jackson, Keon Johnson, Terrance Mann, the right to swap firsts in 2027, and a top 3 protected 2028 first round pick

Clippers get the elite playmaker that they have been needing ever since Kawhi and PG came to town, and they'd have an impressive defensive lineup. 76ers get shooting, depth, and youth. Underwhelming return for the 76ers, but this might be as good as it gets considering the market for Ben.


1.) 23 Sep 2021 20:13:19
Too much for simmons.

2.) 23 Sep 2021 21:02:30
The value is fair. Clippers are definetly a good destination for Simmons fit wise.

3.) 24 Sep 2021 00:39:18
Is the value fair? I prefer Wall than that group if bench players.

4.) 24 Sep 2021 01:45:49
@Bmiller66 Reggie and Kennard could start for the Clippers, while Mann flashes some 6MOTY potential. I agree that it’s an underwhelming package for the 76ers but it’s probably the best the Clips can offer.

5.) 24 Sep 2021 03:39:37
Reggie and Kennard are among the worst starters in the league at their position if they start. Mann had like one good game?

I don’t dislike any of the 3 players, but it really misses a headlining starter in return.

I also agree this is probably the best the Clippers can do, which is why they’re not an option.



23 Sep 2021 15:35:30
Clippers get John Wall

Rockets get Eric Bledsoe, Marcus Morris, and Keon Johnson

Hard to make this trade work financially, the Clippers would have to give up either Morris or Kennard. I assumed they'd rather give up Morris. Thoughts?


1.) 23 Sep 2021 16:37:14
I actually think that they would rather give up Kennard with Kawhi out for a majority if not the entire season.

2.) 23 Sep 2021 17:15:03
@Fredman if the Clips wanted to include Kennard instead of Morris, then they’d also have to trade either Batum or Winslow to make it work financially. Depth was another factor in this for me.



22 Sep 2021 16:07:27
76ers gets John Wall, Kevin Porter Jr., and the Rockets' unprotected 2022 first round pick

Rockets gets Ben Simmons, Tyrese Maxey, and Isaiah Joe

Seems like the most fair Simmons-to-Houston trade to me. Giving up KPJ and the first rounder is costly, but I think it's worth it to unload Wall's contract while also adding a young star and a nice young talent.


1.) 22 Sep 2021 18:37:43
It is essentially Porter Jr. for Simmons as Houston has to give up a first just to get rid of Wall to anyone. Its a no from me.

2.) 22 Sep 2021 19:25:00
Houston already said they're not giving up a first to move Wall.

3.) 22 Sep 2021 20:47:54
Actually Houston said that they would not give up MULTIPLE first rounders. I think the will give up one of the Nets firsts to move Wall. Definitely not Houston's unprotected first.

4.) 22 Sep 2021 22:40:07
the exact quote that was said was by Houston GM was "we have to win the John Wall trade"

5.) 23 Sep 2021 05:13:36
This isn’t just unloading Wall though, it’s unloading Wall and getting a young all-star in the process. Kind of thought that was self-explanatory.



07 Sep 2021 04:52:43
Hawks get Jerami Grant and a second round pick

Pistons get De'Andre Hunter

Hawks get a more established player to help them win now, Pistons get a young forward who fits the team timeline better.


1.) 07 Sep 2021 08:17:49
So there is a $12+ mil salary difference and ATL is almost over the luxury tax line.

2.) 07 Sep 2021 08:53:29
Why is Detroit trading Grant, who blossomed for them on s very friendly team contract?
They are not!

3.) 07 Sep 2021 12:06:43
Fredman it works on fanspo’s trade machine, I trust them over your “expert” cap analysis.

4.) 07 Sep 2021 14:13:46
@Casual. And it fails on ESPN's trade machine.

Look at the top line of Fasnpo's trade before you try it. It tells you that how much cap space Atlanta has and it is not enough.

5.) 09 Sep 2021 17:51:07
Not a bad trade. Might help the Hawks marginally right now. I’d rather have a healthy Hunter for the long term.




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22 Sep 2021 19:27:37
My Ben Simmons to Houston proposal wasn't popular. What's your guys' idea of a fair proposal in that scenario?


1.) 22 Sep 2021 19:36:02
It's pretty hard to make it work tbh.

2.) 22 Sep 2021 19:40:59
Can’t be done. Need like 2 other teams to join. At that point I wonder what else I could be doing with my life.

3.) 22 Sep 2021 20:39:48
I think the major problem is that most value Simmons differently as well as believing 76ers are going to get something "fair" in return

Also, I think the fact the 76ers want win-now players impacts determining value as most trades like this are for young talent + picks.

I don't think this scenario changes until 76ers start losing games at the start of the season.

4.) 22 Sep 2021 23:36:36
I think KPJ and green need the ball in their hands to be productive. So does Ben. I don’t see wall as a healthy choice or affordable choice for a contender.



07 Sep 2021 13:00:32
If you could add one player to your favorite team, who would it be and why? I'll go first:

Zion Williamson to the Pistons. Him and Cade would be a dynamic duo going forward, and their games complement each other. A Cade-Zion pick-and-roll would be the bread and butter of our offense.


1.) 07 Sep 2021 14:16:22
I'll add PJ Washington to my Celtics, trying to stick with something realistic. I think he could be attainable, and a starting lineup of Smart/ Brown/ Tatum/ Washington/ Rob Williams is very appealing and they're all around the same age. I'd be happy to give up some combination of Pritchard, Langford, Grant Williams, and draft picks.

2.) 07 Sep 2021 14:26:57
Embiid to the Kings.

3.) 07 Sep 2021 14:49:04
@Nightcap forget about realistic, choose anyone you want regardless of availability and contract status.

4.) 07 Sep 2021 15:18:58
Zion or AD to Portland. I lean toward Zion because of his age. Zion/ Dame P&R would be insane. Zion/ Nurk P&R would be scary. Shooting surrounding Zion. It would be great.

I assume most answers would be Zion or Luka.

5.) 07 Sep 2021 16:01:19
KD/ MPJ to Grizz

We need that No.1 option mext to Morant and his playmaking. I think MPJ has a super high ceiling if stays healthy.

6.) 07 Sep 2021 16:26:22
If I was picking for the Celtics, I would probably go with Jokic. Kills two birds with one stone in terms of addressing the big man they need and the playmaking they're missing.

7.) 07 Sep 2021 18:53:23
Yea if it can be anyone it's Jokic.

8.) 07 Sep 2021 19:02:56
For Toronto I'd take Giannis. too bad that ship has sailed. maybe he'll demand a trade in a couple of years. I think he fits the way the Raptors want to play perfectly.

9.) 07 Sep 2021 19:55:00
Wow, I totally spaced Giannis. Yeah, him. I want him over anyone else. Not sure how I forgot about him when I was thinking about this initially.

10.) 07 Sep 2021 20:21:30
Klay to LAL. Perfect fit.

11.) 07 Sep 2021 22:16:24
@usa I was also thinking Klay for the Lakers. A young star would be nice considering how old they are, but they're in win-now mode anyway. Klay would make them absolutely devastating on offense.

12.) 07 Sep 2021 23:23:50
Stephen Curry to Indy.

13.) 09 Sep 2021 01:46:19
Steph Curry to the Plels.



19 Aug 2021 00:37:13
In the last year, the Clippers have essentially turned Lou Williams, Pat Bev, two second round picks, and cash into Eric Bledsoe. Garbage front office.




11 Aug 2021 00:38:39
Was this site down for a few days?




03 Aug 2021 01:25:41
What are the Pelicans doing? Just signed and traded Lonzo away for nothing after giving up draft capital to make cap space. They need to make a big move here or else Zion will surely be wanting out soon.





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24 Sep 2021 23:43:54
Nice double negative there Fredman.




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24 Sep 2021 06:23:40
How about Derrick Rose?




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24 Sep 2021 04:55:07
Murray would be the player the 6ers want the most, and I can't see the Nuggets wanting to trade MPJ for anyone really. Pre-injury Murray probably was untouchable but I think there's room for discussion now.




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24 Sep 2021 02:59:31
Jamal is coming off an ACL tear though, he might not ever be the same player unfortunately.




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24 Sep 2021 01:45:49
@Bmiller66 Reggie and Kennard could start for the Clippers, while Mann flashes some 6MOTY potential. I agree that it’s an underwhelming package for the 76ers but it’s probably the best the Clips can offer.





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