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21 Oct 2021 17:19:25
Kings - Knox Jackson & Knicks 2nd
Pistons - Bagley
Knicks - Diallo
Kings get wing depth
Pistons take flier on fresh start
Knicks add a better bench piece
20 Oct 2021 00:40:36
Expanding this trade
Sixers - Lowry and Robinson
Nets - Simmons
Heat - Irving Green & Milton
Lowry/Maxey
Thybulle/Curry
Robinson/Korkmaz
Harris/Niang
Embiid/Drummond
Harden/Mills
Harris/Thomas
KD/Brown
Simmons/Claxton
Griffin/Aldridge
Irving/Milton
Oladipo/Herro
Butler/Green
Tucker/Morris
Bam/Dedmon
17 Oct 2021 03:11:24
Kings - Grant and Joseph
Pistons - Hield Bagley 22 top 5 protected and future swap
Kings get great defense and much needed forward
Pistons still get a 20ppg scorer who can space the floor plus the chance to revive Bagleys career that still has potential
Fox
Haliburton
Barnes
Grant
Holmes
Cunningham
Hield
Bey
Bagley
Stewart
1.) 17 Oct 2021 04:40:54
Good deal. That is what the Kings will get with that package, not Siakam not Simmons or any other all star.
2.) 17 Oct 2021 11:57:25
1. That trade makes no sense for Kings. To pair Bagley and Stewart may be a good fit.
2. Not sure were y guys coming from. For sure y can trade Hield for Grant on a similar base of value. But Kings TAKE Joseph and send Bagley? So Bagley is a top 3 pic and not sure 20y old - with a ton of talent and upside?
So nice so see y two guys create such a nonsense trade. And it rates a lot all you comments. It is only a question where y guys coming from - clueless or extraterrestrial.
At least it shows, y have no idea of value and risk and chance management - looling only to the past and the last season without having upside or development or finally to win it all in mind.
Thks a lot for this post - thks to describe yourselves.
3.) 17 Oct 2021 13:15:11
What did i just read?
4.) 17 Oct 2021 16:21:54
As a Pistons fan, I’d welcome this trade. We could use more spacing for Cade and I prefer players who fit our young core’s timeline. As for the ringring comment: you are literally the last person on this site to criticize someone for not knowing value.
5.) 17 Oct 2021 18:25:57
Ringing: I realize it’s just talking into a brick wall, but here’s something you’re constantly saying that is always wrong:
Just because a guy was drafted somewhere doesn’t mean he has that value even a year later, let alone 3 years later. The fact that Bagley was picked third is irrelevant outside of poking fun at Kings fans (sorry Fred) for whiffing so bad on that draft. He doesn’t have anywhere in the same ballpark as the third pick in the most recent or a future draft.
You can’t say “it’s like trading 5 firsts” just because you trade a guy that was a late first a year or two ago and hasn’t shown that he’s more than an end of the bench player.
6.) 17 Oct 2021 18:57:36
I like this.
7.) 18 Oct 2021 14:26:11
Hey RingRing. You may want to curb the this makes no sense comments. You wrote the book on no sense trades.
16 Oct 2021 05:55:47
Magic - Plumlee and Washington
- Gets a young combo forward who could get a lot minutes and scoring opportunities
Hornets - Bamba MCW(waive) and Hampton
- Takes a chance on Bamba while getting another young combo guard to pair with Bouknight off the bench
Anthony/Fultz
Suggs/Ross
Isaac/Wagner
Washington/Okeke
Carter/Plumlee
Ball/Hampton
Rozier/Bouknight
Hayward/Oubre
Brides/Thor
Bamba/Jones
1.) 16 Oct 2021 07:08:37
Noooo! This trade is trash! 😡.
2.) 16 Oct 2021 10:24:57
Washington > pile of Magic garbage.
16 Oct 2021 00:51:41
One sneaky team I could see make a push for Zion
Hawks - Zion Satoranksy and Valanciunas
Pels - Hunter Okongwu Reddish Capela and 2/3 1sts
Very similar to the AD trade, depends on if Nola demand Collins only in return. If so Hawks can take back a first or two and send Capela to a third team for a SG
Young/Cooper
Satoranksy/Wright
Bogdanovic/Huerter
Zion/Gallo/Johnson
Collins/Valanciunas
Lewis/Graham
Reddish/Hart/Naw
Ingram/Murphy
Hunter/Okongwu
Capela/Hayes
1.) 16 Oct 2021 02:01:06
Umm. Nope.
2.) 16 Oct 2021 03:15:38
Hawks got to give up John Collins in a package than Pelicans will say yes.
3.) 16 Oct 2021 14:35:56
in that trade hawks would start huerter not sato. all the zion stuff very dependent on whether he will resign in NO which i have no idea about.
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20 Oct 2021 01:56:59
Simmons is definitely forcing his way out lol
1.) 20 Oct 2021 17:24:57
I don’t know what else anyone expected. The 76ers front office is just really stupid. That’s the only explanation for what has gone on the last few months.
After Embiid’s comments, how does Simmons come back ever? The team has to just agree to send him home and pay him until he’s traded. They can’t want him to play and talk the way they’re talking. They can’t have both.
16 Oct 2021 00:37:34
What's best move for Pelicans?
Trade Zion for giant haul
Package Ingram + players + picks for another superstar
Or just let the young team grow and develop and risk Zions impatience
1.) 16 Oct 2021 04:02:50
I would give this core one more year before doing anything drastic. See what having a stretch big does for them. BI is a special talent in my opinion, I’d only entertain trading him for Dame or Beal.
04 Oct 2021 18:47:24
Predict the top 5 rookies stats
Cade(starting PG) 17/5/6
Green(starting SG) 20/2/3
Mobley(starting PF) 13/8/1
Barnes(6th man) 9/7/5
Suggs(starting SG) 15/3/5
1.) 04 Oct 2021 19:42:17
Don’t think Green will get enough touches to score 20 ppg with KPJ and Wood in the picture.
2.) 04 Oct 2021 20:19:26
KPJ said in interview that he wants to be more of a facilitator this season, wants to avg 10 assists (might not happen)
If Anthony Edwards can put up 19/ 20 a game I don’t why Green couldn’t.
3.) 04 Oct 2021 22:26:12
KPJ saying he wants to average 10 assists per game is the equivalent of him saying he’s going to spend a lot of time with the ball in his hands. Green seems like more of a volume scorer to me, and it might be hard to get that volume when playing with another ball dominant guard. Edwards was the second option and lead guard once Dlo got hurt, which partly explains his production. I’m not saying there’s no way Green averages 20, but I’d bet on the under.
4.) 05 Oct 2021 01:09:24
Wood is good but this is Green/ KPJ team. Mostly going to build around Green.
24 Sep 2021 18:01:53
Serious question.. with stars that don't/can't shoot very well at all like Giannis and Zion what's the problem with Ben? Y'all praise them but absolutely hate on Simmons Bc he doesn't shoot as much or shoot 3's(which imo is Bc of the Sixers staff).
I'm not saying he has the value of those but Ben will always be the superior playmaker over them too while being a way better defender than Zion. All star in 3/4 seasons.
16/8/8 plus elite defense in first 4 years is great. Once he goes to a new team that gives him confidence and will be behind him all the way, I believe he can reach most of his potential.
1.) 24 Sep 2021 18:48:50
And don’t say Giannis is a respectable shooter when he % is the same as Westbrook (who teams slack off and don’t respect his jumper as well)
2.) 24 Sep 2021 19:47:20
Show me when Giannis turned down a dunk out of fear of being fouled and shooting FTs. Same with Zion.
I give Giannis more respect because he has worked on that portion of his game with notable improvement almost every season. Simmons has not.
You can "believe he will reach his potential" all you want. But it is just as likely that where he is now IS his potential. Just not sure a team can build around that.
3.) 24 Sep 2021 21:23:24
That one play might be the most overblown moment in sports history. But also, if you bench a guy, you will make him second guess each move. It’s on Doc as much as Ben for wrecking his confidence in that series.
But I agree with one caveat. He can’t play PG. He just can’t. If he can accept that truth, he’ll be fine. If he refuses to change, he’ll still be a really good player, but never be as good as he could be. He can’t be trusted as the primary ball handler in the closing moments of a game (neither can Embiid, that’s why they’re a bad fit together) .
He also doesn’t have the top end peak that Giannis or Zion have. But those guys have top 20 all time peaks (Giannis is already there, and you can just see it in Zion) . Simmons gets crap because he’ll never be a #1. But people need to understand that it’s ok to just be really really good. Not everyone can be all time great.
4.) 24 Sep 2021 22:09:30
Fredman how about you compare situations. When Bucks got swept by the Heat, the bucks fans and organization didn’t completely bash him. They stood behind him, added more pieces for him, and continued to encourage him rather than give up. Philly fans have to be one of the worst in sports.
Put Ben Simmons on a small market team like them 2 (teams that aren’t use to stars either) and he will do great because those small market fans will continue to stand behind him and not continually do the opposite.
The 76ers were a 1 seed for a reason, not just Bc Embiid.
5.) 25 Sep 2021 00:52:56
So you are making the argument that Simmons is mentally soft while Giannis and Zion are not. Interesting strategy, Cotton.
6.) 25 Sep 2021 01:10:42
Didn’t people say the same thing about Lebron? That he was mentally weak?
And has Zion ever been put in a situation to prove his mettle?
7.) 25 Sep 2021 03:50:49
So if you’re on a big market team and the entire organization and fan base is against you and bashing you, you’re saying you’d still have your confidence and be strong minded? Tough guy.
Never once did I mention Zion or Giannis mindset. I simply stated small market teams will be behind their star players Bc they don’t see them as often as these bigger market teams.
8.) 25 Sep 2021 06:44:24
If my potential is being an Allstar every year, elite playmaker and dpoy candidate (also prolly one of the most versatile defenders in the game) I’d be very happy. Just because he isn’t a dominant scorer doesn’t mean he’s not a star. He’s just not a superstar.
9.) 25 Sep 2021 08:27:33
He is a younger Draymobd Green. 3rd wheel of a championship team. But you aren't really going anywhere with him unless you have Thompson and Curry to play with him.
10.) 25 Sep 2021 09:05:39
Ben Simmons for Ja Morant + Steven Adams + 2022 unprotected first.
11.) 25 Sep 2021 10:30:55
Idk where this narrative started that the fans and franchise didn’t support him.
Year 1: they cause zero fuss about him sitting the whole season so he can win ROY (broke foot in camp)
Year 2: shooting less than he did in college and summer league but who cares cause we made the playoffs for the first time in years. Lose to the Celtics in the 2nd round in part because Ben has no half court O
Year 3: trade for Jimmy to mitigate Ben’s issues cause he’s still not shooting. Ben chases Jimmy out of town cause they both want to be primary ball handler in the playoffs. One is better at it than the other. Lose in 7 to the raptors in part because Ben has no half court O. Sixers choose Ben over Jimmy
Year 4: now shooting less than he did in year 1 but the team and at least half the fan base are STILL defending him. Whole year sucked for everyone.
Year 5: still not shooting and and doc is basically calling anyone who thinks Ben needs to shoot an idiot cause he’s elite in everything else. they lose again in the 2nd round. This time to an inferior team in part because on top of having no offensive game, he now is scared to do anything except defend. THEN the franchise and fan base turns on him.
So if losing faith after 5 years with no progress is out of line, when would it be ok to try to trade him?
12.) 25 Sep 2021 10:33:57
Even in game 7 of that god awful series he was having the entire arena CHEERED him as he walked to the line to miss 2 more. Don’t make this about the fans and franchise. This all could have been prevented if 1 person decided he wanted to be better at his job.
13.) 25 Sep 2021 12:27:40
@NBA16. If Ben is all that, then where are the trade rumors that have him coming to your team? Why are you not giving up your best player to get him? Your silence speaks volumes.
Does Ben Simmons make the All-Star team in the West? Probably would have to beat out Draymond Green for one of the last spots as a PF because he is not going to make it as a (point) guard.
Now, if Ben was being traded to Portland to play with Lillard and McCollum, then it makes all the sense in the world and Portland would give up young players and picks without hesitancy. The problem is that the 76ers want win-now talent in return, so teams are not going to be able to build that 3-star superteam which makes Ben Simmons less attractive. So the reason that 76ers are getting "garbage" offers is partially Ben's fault for not developing a jump shot and partially the FO's fault in what it wants back in return.
14.) 25 Sep 2021 17:22:01
My silence is Bc you’re weak knowledge is showing.
15.) 25 Sep 2021 17:23:39
There aren’t rumors with Simmons coming to Memphis Bc 1. We don’t have anyone to get him. 76ers wouldn’t want JJJ or Brooks etc. the goal would be to pair him with Morant
2. He wants to be in Cali, not Memphis.
L.
16.) 25 Sep 2021 18:07:25
Ja + Adams + picks should get it done. Especially if Adams could be sent to a third team.
17.) 25 Sep 2021 18:29:34
That’s dumb though Fred. The point of trading for any star is to pair them with your existing star. Example, I wouldn’t trade Dame for Harden or AD or Durant. Because, what’s the point?
I’d trade McCollum for Simmons though, because I think Simmons is better than McCollum (who is a borderline star at absolute best) . And I think (hope) that Powell could take over 90%+ of what CJ does.
18.) 25 Sep 2021 18:56:25
Exactly Bmiller.
19.) 25 Sep 2021 20:33:06
If you won't trade Fox than Morant is for sure not being traded. Considering his 1st two years were better and he’s already leading us to playoffs.
20.) 27 Sep 2021 14:38:46
Late to this conversation but I think Ben gets disrespected mostly due to his lack of aggression. More often than not, he’s not looking for his own shot. Guys like Giannis and Zion are always in attack mode. Simmons also unfairly gets compared to LeBron, which leads to him getting a lot of criticism because he’s not the freak athlete or scorer that Bron is. I think he’s a very good player, but the media wants him to be something he isn’t. If he could just become a league average shooter, he’d be putting up 20+ ppg. I hope he takes that next step, but it’s discouraging that so little progress has been made in that regard so far.
21.) 27 Sep 2021 15:33:07
Zion is always in attack mode Bc he’s a scorer. The only thing he’s elite at is finishing around the rim.
22.) 28 Sep 2021 14:05:36
@NBA16 that’s true. People like to see that aggression though, that’s a big reason why Kobe was so popular imo. Ben’s style gets ridiculed by casual fans because he’s rarely in attack mode like that. It’s not fair to him, but that’s the way it is.
10 Sep 2021 02:05:45
What happen to MD wanting to leave
1.) 10 Sep 2021 02:52:11
I called it two days ago. He’s pulled that I’m outta here crap before.
2.) 10 Sep 2021 19:50:33
They always come back. Myself included 🤦♂️.
3.) 11 Sep 2021 02:42:18
And sometimes we get baited back.
21 Oct 2021 18:27:36
Siakam is the best scorer in the deal tho?
21 Oct 2021 13:47:11
Or the previous 3 years.
20 Oct 2021 02:00:59
There’s only 1 player that Pels would even consider a package around and that’s Cade.
20 Oct 2021 02:00:01
I mean I feel like the Ayton/ Siakam swap could work value wise especially giving them a young core of OG-Barnes-Ayton. However I don’t see why Raps would give up Achuiwa for older vets if they do this. Saric is out and a young team would prefer Achuiwa over Crowder. Suns still have Jalen Smith.
19 Oct 2021 18:20:30
Irving is worth half of Zions trade value at this point.