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03 Nov 2020 15:14:45
3 team deal

OKC gets J Richardson, Payton
Phi gets Paul
Knicks get Horford, pick 21, '23 1st Phi, 2nd rd OKC

With this, the players more on their timeline and don't have to pay Paul. The Sixers get a ball handler and a guy who can get a shot while having the Knicks take on Horford, who are open to bad deals for assets. Also, I think the sixers will try to move Richardson with Horford regardless as they won't be able to pay him next year, so they have to get value for him now

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1.) 03 Nov 2020 19:01:04
So Eldridge Payton gets you Horford and 3 picks! Huh? I don’t think so!


2.) 03 Nov 2020 21:08:50
Tommy you clearly missing the part where they take horrords contract smh


3.) 03 Nov 2020 22:48:46
Phi will find plenty of teams for Horford asking for only 1 pick.


 

 

14 Oct 2020 19:45:56
BOS D Murray, Aldridge, 2nd rd pick
SAS Kemba

Boston doesn't really need Kemba. Pretty overpaid to be the 3rd scorer on the team that gets targeted defensively. Get a nice replacement and the big their looking for
SAS wants to be in the playoffs every year so they get an all star caliber player for an older Aldridge

76lesgo

1.) 14 Oct 2020 20:48:11
San Antonia doesn't really need Kemba either.


2.) 14 Oct 2020 21:17:25
People undervalue Kemba sooo much.


 

 

06 Oct 2020 21:58:59
Clips-Wiz-Nuggets

Nuggets get PG
Clips get Beal
Wiz get Bol Bol, MPJ, 2 1st from Nuggets, Shamet

Don't really think Beal is a great fit in Denver, think they need more to a two way player like PG, who would go to a situation where the offensive pressure wouldn't really be on him. Likewise, the clippers get a better offensive player then PG on a very talented defensive team otherwise. Wiz get 3 very promising young players and picks. Ideally for Nuggets some situation where Harris is moved instead of porter would be ideal but idk if that gets it done

76lesgo

1.) 07 Oct 2020 00:26:13
Why does everyone think that Beal has better than value than PG? I don't understand. He had a playoffs to forget but c'mon, he is still one of the better 2 way players in the league.


2.) 07 Oct 2020 04:10:04
Kinda doubt the Nuggets would trade for PG after watching him completely choke against them but it’s not a bad trade value wise. I think Beal would be a great fit in Denver honestly, but I see why you’d prefer a 2-way player.


3.) 07 Oct 2020 05:33:28
After those playoffs, beal is worth a considerable amount more than pg. also, with all the uncertainty surrounding bol bol, the nuggets need to give more despite bol’s tantalizing potential.


 

 

04 Oct 2020 23:50:27
Kind of a crazy idea but

PHI gets Wiggins, pick 2
GSW gets Horford, Thybulle, pick 21

Horford and Wiggins contracts are pretty even, but imo Horford has more value, especially to the warriors, but was just on the wrong team. Obviously not enough of a difference to get pick 2, but with Thybulle and 21 I think it's close. This would be a draft night trade if Ball isn't picked #1, so sixers can get a cheap ball handler. I still think it's a little far fetched it happens but it's very interesting and could help both teams I think. Sixers would need some minimums and to use their exceptions to fill roster

Ball/Milton
J Rich/Korkmaz
Tobi/Wiggins
Simmons/Scott
Embiid/FA

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1.) 05 Oct 2020 06:02:05
Warriors get robbed.


 

 

26 Sep 2020 21:25:18
IND gets Harris, pick 21, 2 2nds from Phi
NOP gets Turner, McDermott(salary match)
Phi gets Holiday

SAC gets Horford, J Rich, '21 1st, Zaire Smith, '23 1st or 2 2nds
PHI gets Hield, Barnes, Bjelica

Coach: Hopefully not MD or this wouldn't happen
Holiday/Milton
Hield/Korkmaz
Barnes/Thybulle
Simmons/Bjelica
Embiid

Brogdon
Oladipo
Warren
Harris
Sabonis

Ball
JJ
Ingram
Zion
Turner

Fox
J Rich
Bogdanovic
Bagley
Horford


1st trade benefits all teams imo. Sabonis can play the 5, NOP gets spacing 5 next to Zion, Philly gets PG who can shoot and score

2nd trade definitely helps PHI fill the roster, SAC doesn't want Hield and gets a defensive player on their timeline and a center to allow Bagley to play PF withsome assets as well. Not 100% of value on this 2nd trade though.

76lesgo

1.) 26 Sep 2020 22:29:20
First, you can't trade back-to-back No. 1 picks.
That aside, Philly won't be able to dump Harris and Horford (and their bad contracts) and still get quality in return like Holiday, Hield and Bjelica. Won't happen.
76ers' best shot might be to run back the same group next season and hope for a better result. Maybe a new coach will be able to figure out the Embiid/ Horford issue.


2.) 27 Sep 2020 09:18:17
You can trade 2020 and 2021 picks on draft night.


 

 

 

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22 Nov 2020 17:47:45
Anyone else feel like despite all the talk the Sixers are one move away from being all in? Don't know who they would go after but most PG are gone after DJ and FVV signed yesterday. They have lots of 2s and Simmons as the only 1.

76lesgo

1.) 22 Nov 2020 18:37:25
Austin Rivers? Don't they still have Shake Milton?


2.) 22 Nov 2020 21:56:14
Not interested in rivers reunion with dad lol. Milton not a very good ball handler and better spot up shooter than off dribble. Would count him as more of a 2


3.) 22 Nov 2020 22:21:17
They have Milton and Maxey who can both play the 1.


4.) 22 Nov 2020 23:17:02
I think Curry should get a shot at being the starter at PG. He needs to guard PGs, but isn’t really a facilitator. A perfect fit next to Simmons.


5.) 22 Nov 2020 23:52:33
Milton can play a little 1 but was completely exposed for his ballhandling in the playoffs. Wouldn’t say they are going to rely on Maxey to be the primary ball handler. Hopefully he grows to that but for now it looks like they are planning on keeping Simmons at the 1


6.) 23 Nov 2020 11:51:20
Simmons will always be the primary ball handler.


7.) 23 Nov 2020 19:44:16
NBA16 wrong. Sixers were at their best when relying on Butler to be primary ball handler. So how can you Simmons will always be primary ball handler when it’s proven 2 ball handlers is the best formula? Lol


 

 

21 Nov 2020 07:20:59
Whoever said Presti was fleeced in Horford deal not looking good lol.. just like I said they trade Adams for a 1st, keep Horford to use up some contract since they don't have to pay anyone, and if he plays well this year as the starting 5 his value will increase dramatically going into next year. Wizards don't get fleeced

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19 Nov 2020 20:24:02
what is the timeline for trading a newly acquired player now?

76lesgo

1.) 19 Nov 2020 21:23:41
I think January 15.


 

 

17 Nov 2020 12:18:18
Bucks getting fleeced esp on Holiday deal. Obviously not a lot of leverage but they do get better and hopefully for them it shows they'll do whatever to keep Giannis

76lesgo

1.) 17 Nov 2020 12:50:45
Fleeced? What is Bledsoe and Hill's value? Minimal at best? And if Giannis stays in Milwaukee, what is the value of those 3 firsts?

Also consider that this trade has been upgraded to include Bogdan Bogdanovich from Sacramento as well for Milwaukee's Divancenzo, Wilson and non-guarentteed Illyansova.


2.) 17 Nov 2020 14:13:11
Yes fleeced. Your looking at best case scenario. They got holiday, a B player, for an A package, very similar to what AD got. Also, Holiday can leave after 1 year as well, he does not have any ties to Milwaukee. Bledsoe didn’t have a lot of value to the bucks but Hill did. And if Giannis walks then those first rounders are big. Also reported the deal includes pick swaps in the alternate trades. If that deal was posted in here two weeks ago you would’ve said way too much for holiday, so please stop acting like it’s good after that fact


3.) 17 Nov 2020 14:15:29
If this was LA the deals would be better bc they could get good vets on minimums to win a chip, but that won’t be happening in Milwaukee. Their depth will be gone, they’ll be lucky to have 1-2 meaningful players off the bench


4.) 17 Nov 2020 15:11:01
@76lesgo. The significant difference between the Holiday and AD trades is Brandon Ingram. New Orleans got great young talent (and pics) in the AD trade, New Orleans is getting garbage veterans (and pics) and making their roster PG heavy (Ball, Bledsoe, Hill) with only Hart and NAW as SGs. Also, once Ingram's max rookie deal is signed, then New Orleans will have used up all their available cap space. Perhaps, New Orleans would give up one the future Milwaukee (or Lakers) picks to redirect non-guaranteed Ilyasova to New Orleans for Hill so that they can waive him to stay below the cap once they sign their draft picks (#13 and #24).


5.) 17 Nov 2020 15:53:00
Yes I am aware that Ingram was a part of the AD trade. At the time of that trade Ingram did not carry the value he has now. Also, the significant difference between that trade and this one is the significant talent gap between AD and Holiday lol. These players are not in the same class, or even close, yet the deals are pretty comparable, especially given both can opt out after 1 year. Last time I checked 1 young player who was unproven at the time is not the difference between a top 5 player in AD and someone like Holiday. You give up everything to get a top 5 player. The bucks were in a bind, so they gave up pretty much all they could to get a B player


6.) 17 Nov 2020 15:55:57
Also, Hill is not garbage, he was the best PG on the #1 team in the nba. he will be moved around the deadline to a contender because he will improve someone’s bench and they probably get either a solid younger role player or 1-2 seconds


7.) 17 Nov 2020 16:44:20
If they win the championship and keep Giannis these moves are brilliant. If it doesn't work out and they lose Giannis they were terrible overpays.
Bucks are all in.


8.) 17 Nov 2020 17:19:06
let me apply your argument to others. McGee is not garbage because he was the #1 center on a NBA Championship team. Similarly Rondo is not garbage as well.

Also, what a fall it must be going from "best PG on the #1 team" to "improving someone's [who is not the #1 team] bench".

"they [Bucks] gave up pretty much all they could". That sounds like someone cleaning out the closet and taking it down to the Salvation Army store. They could give up these players because they are not valuable for a B player (which has significantly more value) . It would be like trading Horford and Richardson and walking away with DeRozen (another B player on the final year of his deal) .


9.) 17 Nov 2020 18:06:04
If they pay this and it’s what keeps Giannis in town, they got off cheap. If they win a championship and he leaves, still worth it. If they go to the Finals/ ECF and lose and he leaves, still the right gamble.


10.) 17 Nov 2020 18:45:52
Lol your putting it very lightly. Basically the only scenario where they didn’t “gamble” aka get fleeced is when the win. Obviously winning makes every trade worth it. But what if they don’t year one with all of these good teams then holiday walks. I think that’s the strongest possibility. In which case they would be fleeced. Time will tell but do you think Holiday is signing a long term deal in Milwaukee if they don’t win? What if they don’t even beat the Nets..


11.) 17 Nov 2020 18:47:11
to restate BMiller's post. "Do or Do not. There is no try. " Milwaukee is definitely "doing".


12.) 17 Nov 2020 19:20:19
These statements are all true. They all have nothing to do with the objective value of the deal.


13.) 17 Nov 2020 22:33:09
I think the resigning of Holiday will have to do more with the salary cap next year more than anything else. Who will have cap space? Miami, Charlotte, New York, San Antonio? Not exactly a bunch of "winners" to compete with Milwaukee.


14.) 18 Nov 2020 02:25:54
This isn’t the first time I’ve made the case that objective value of trades is meaningless and pointless to argue.

If the Bucks don’t pay that cost, they don’t get him. If they swap picks with players, they don’t get Bogdon. If they don’t get both, they don’t have the best roster possible. If they don’t have the best roster possible, it increases their chances to lose Giannis. Giannis is the only thing that matters. So paying the cost is what has to be done for the best of the franchise. And it gives them the absolute best chance at a championship.


15.) 18 Nov 2020 03:43:55
So with all they were willing to give up you think they have the absolute best team possible? I disagree given the other players that are on the market because they were willing to give up so much objective value. It is the only thing that can be argued everything else has nothing to do with the value of the trade. Values are argued all the time in here no problem, but when real trades are made people seem to only argue about the best case scenario future. Obviously it’s easy to see why the Bucks did it, but getting fleeced means they gave up more value than return shows. Like if this trade was posted weeks ago people would argue too much for holiday because they argue tangible value prior to trades


16.) 18 Nov 2020 14:34:15
there is no such thing as an objective view of a trade. the valuation of players is always subjective. i expect that both teams feel they got a good deal or they wouldn't have done it. and ultimately its only each owner's subjective valuation that matters.


17.) 18 Nov 2020 15:42:27
I think the trade is the definition of a "win-win" Mil had to do everything they could to sway Giannis. Pels needed to make the team Zion's which meant Jrue had to go. I think the Pels flip Hill or Bledsoe


18.) 18 Nov 2020 16:21:48
@76Lesgo, So you think this trade package could have gotten more ("got fleeced") for Milwaukee? Houston trading Harden for this package? What exactly do you think this trade package ACTUALLY gets Milwaukee?


 

 

17 Nov 2020 03:32:41
Covington trades Westbrook and harden soon

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21 Nov 2020 11:40:05
No they’re not. Also, doubt DJJ starts lol

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03 Nov 2020 21:08:50
Tommy you clearly missing the part where they take horrords contract smh

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03 Nov 2020 14:54:14
I think the Wizards would just rather take Levert

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03 Nov 2020 14:51:53
Like it for all parties. If anyone says no it would be Indiana

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03 Nov 2020 14:50:16
Simmons is not being traded for future firsts

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