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08 Sep 2021 15:49:03
Philly - Toronto

Philly may get better offers than this, but if not, this deal does offer some value to them, and Simmons' value isn't what it was. In any event, I think it's the best offer Toronto SHOULD make...

Dragic, Boucher, 2022 1st, 2023 swap, 2024 1st

for Simmons



Philly has a more balanced lineup and gets rid of a problem. Toronto front court becomes a defensive menace. Throw Barnes into the 2 in late game situations and nobody scores (including Toronto maybe lol)


1.) 08 Sep 2021 18:22:57
Phili counter offer: Harris and Maxey for Siakam.

They’re equally bad.

Even if you added OG it’s a pretty poor offer. If Dragic is the best player they bring back for Simmons, they might as well just waive Embiid.

2.) 08 Sep 2021 20:31:59
It wouldn't surprise me if there was a better offer. your Blazers certainly could offer more and may be more motivated to do it. Dragic allows them to clear the books to build better around Embiid. Cleveland will likely make a better offer. I don't think Minny will despite how badly they want him. I doubt they will get the prize they really want, which is Dame. I'm pretty certain Morey is not going to be able to get what he wants in this deal from anybody. Sac says no to Hali and Fox, Portland says no to Dame, Warriors say no to Wiseman and Kuminga. Personally I'd be tempted to send Siakam if it was straight up, but I don't think Raptors management would do that.



08 Jul 2021 21:56:09

If Toronto management is sold on Cunningham becoming a superstar...

Toronto sends Siakam, Flynn, #4 and 2023 1st

Detroit sends Grant, Joseph and #1

Saw Bleacher Report's proposals for all the top 10 teams best offers, but I don't think the Raptors would part with OG. I believe Toronto management sees Siakam as, worst case, salary ballast to trade for a disgruntled superstar. If they believe Cunningham will become that superstar this would make sense for the Raptors.
Not sure if Detroit would see Siakam as that much of an upgrade over Grant, but Casey is familiar with him...


1.) 09 Jul 2021 05:21:17
Pistons say no.

2.) 09 Jul 2021 05:39:56
What do rap fans see in OG that wouldn’t package him for a super star? (Not this trade)

3.) 09 Jul 2021 17:51:54
OG in Toronto = Issac in Orlando.

4.) 09 Jul 2021 18:11:56
@NBA16 - OG is likely going to reach AllNBA defensive team, and, if he continues to develop his handle could become a top 10, maybe top 5 kind of player. He has the demeanour of an assassin that you need to be the best. I think Toronto management sees his upside as being higher than Siakam's, because Pascal is too emotional and let's himself get beat by his own attitude.
Also, Anunoby's salary would still require another contract to match salaries. Siakam's salary can match up with almost any superstar.
And finally. I think OG is a better support piece for that superstar than Siakam would be.

5.) 09 Jul 2021 20:16:46
Neither are going to be superstars.



26 Jun 2021 04:16:08
Decided I'd do a Fredman style offseason plan for the Raptors. I read the prediction The Athletic had and thought these guys aren't near bold enough. I threw out their rule of using the tax line as a hard cap and set out to improve the roster to top 4 in the eastand go ahead and spend into the tax. I believe that the Raptors plan to stay competitive and be ready to strike when the next disgruntled superstar becomes available...
I borrowed structure and some of the numbers from The Athletics' article (credit where due... Lowry, Trent and Birch deals used their numbers)...

Raptors offseason

June 30 - Raptors announce Masai Ujiri has agreed to a 3 year extension making him the highest paid executive in all North American pro sports

July 26 - The Raptors announce they will guarantee Rodney Hood's $10.85 million contract for 2021-22, ; they also announce they will guarantee Aaron Baynes' $7.35 million salary.

July 29 - The Raptors announce they will trade Aaron Baynes, Rodney Hood, the #4 pick in this year's draft, Raptors 1st round pick in 2023 to Indianapolis Pacers for Myles Turner

Aug. 4: Raptors re-sign Kyle Lowry (unrestricted, Bird rights) to a two-year, $45 million deal
As a product of deciding to sign Lowry, the Raptors will now operate as an over-the-cap team.

the Raptors guarantee the contracts of Chris Boucher (decision must be made by Aug. 8), Yuta Watanabe ($375,000 guaranteed now, the rest if he makes the opening night roster, Aug. 9), DeAndre' Bembry (Aug. 6/7), Paul Watson Jr. (Aug. 5/6), and Freddie Gillespie ($50,000 guaranteed now, the rest if he makes the opening night roster, Aug. 20).

Assuming both Watanabe and Gillespie make the team, and assuming Jalen Harris and the second-round pick agree to two-way deals, that gives the Raptors 10 main-roster players and two two-way players at $102,278,712 - more than $34 million under the luxury tax, which I am NOT using as a de facto hard cap. Lowry's first year salary is 21.6M, so the cap sheet is now at $123,908,712

Here's the roster breakdown as of now.

Guard: Fred VanVleet, Kyle Lowry, Malachi Flynn, Jalen Harris (two-way)
Wing: OG Anunoby, Pascal Siakam, Yuta Watanabe, Paul Watson Jr., De'Andre Bembry
Frontcourt: Myles Turner, Chris Boucher, Freddie Gillespie
Additional two-way (one of 2nd round picks, or undrafted find)

Aug. 6: Raptors sign Khem Birch (unrestricted, part of mid-level exception) to two-year, $10 million contract.

Aug 11: Raptors sign Gary Trent Jr. (restricted, Bird rights) to three-year, $45.45 million deal, third-year player option

Now 13 players and salary of 142,708,712. Now a taxpayer, so Birch's salary makes up 4.8M of the 5.8M taxpayer MLE. 14th spot gets filled at the vet minumum.

Starting lineup
Lowry, vanVleet, Anunoby, Siakam, Turner
Flynn, Trent, Bembry, Boucher, Birch

Gillespie, Watanabe, Watson + 1 or 2 vets at minimum


1.) 26 Jun 2021 09:08:53
So you are going to be a tax payer for the next few years while not being a championship caliber team. Maybe 5th seed in the East behind MIL, BRK, ATL, PHIL.

2.) 26 Jun 2021 12:29:14
Yep. once the team is back in Toronto there is a revenue stream to justify paying tax. The goal is to become a team that can become a serious contender with one deal for one superstar. I honestly believe that the lineup I have would compete for a 3 seed in this year's NBA and I'm not convinced Philly won't end up weaker in whatever moves they make this offseason (Darryl Morey is jinxed) . Brooklyn is clearly the class of the East but are vulnerable to injury.
One place where the similarities between Sac and Toronto diverge is market. Toronto has the revenue streams to profit even when paying tax. Sacramento can't profit if they're into the tax.

3.) 26 Jun 2021 14:36:48
I really dislike the idea of trading that number 4 pick we always complain we never have a superstar well this is a legit opportunity to draft one and people just want to trade it for miles turner.

4.) 26 Jun 2021 15:33:25
Too much for Turner imo.

5.) 26 Jun 2021 17:11:43
Way too much writing for Turner.

6.) 26 Jun 2021 18:00:00
@shizzee. way less writing than you might think. most of it is cut and paste from The Athletic lol.

{Ed001's Note - could you please credit them in future if you are going to do that. It is not right to steal someone else's work and pass it off as your own.}



22 Jun 2021 00:25:38
down to the final 4 and now there's 2 teams kicking themselves for not getting the lowry deal done. with the knicks sitting on cap space and masai's willingness to walk if you don't meet the price the raptors may do well on a sign and trade.
below are some ideas of what the raptors should target from each team that might be interested... some of them are the best the team might have to offer but still not enough... some of them might have guys screaming its too much... but i don't think any sign and trade is going to be as a favour to Kyle... he knows its a busines...

Clippers - Beverley and Morris or Kennard (hate it as a raptor fan)
Dallas - KP (hate this even more)
Knicks - would probably just prefer to use cap space...
Nets - Jordan and Harris (but why with Harden and Irving?)
Suns (if Paul declines and leaves) Saric, Bridges (wouldn't do it)
Lakers - Caldwell-Pope, Kuzma
Heat - Dragic, Herro, Precious
Phila - Simmons

to me the Philly deal would be the best if they are really ready to thrown in on simmons... but i think morey has to be asking himself if they would still be playing if he'd made that trade at the deadline... and he's never been afraid to gamble...

what deals would you think more likely? or will toronto just resign him?




18 Jun 2021 22:46:04
Now that Brad Stevens has made his first move he has some cleaning up to do... Boston needs a point guard, and has too many 5s...
Raptors S&T Lowry (2+1, 25M/yr) for Thompson and Smart.
Boston then resigns Fournier to play the 2





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06 Aug 2021 11:59:18
Sad to see Kyle Lowry leaving Toronto. We'll wish him well for the future, except when he plays against us. He is the greatest Raptor ever and has set a standard for the franchise.
But it was even more important that we keep the other big free agent, Masai Ujiri. The fact that he wants to stay says that ownership is committed to winning. He is respected around the league as one of the top executives and he's shown he can build a championship team.
Honestly, I'd be a lot more worried about Toronto's future if we'd kept Kyle and lost Masai. As long as he is in place leading the franchise fans can be confident that there is a plan, and the resources to fulfill it.


1.) 06 Aug 2021 13:59:58
LOL. When you said "the other big free agent", I thought for sure you were talking about Trent, Jr.

2.) 07 Aug 2021 02:47:10
no, but did you know kawhi is coming back to toronto? with beale of course, and doncic. they all want to joln forces with dragic to form a superteam.



03 Aug 2021 13:05:33
Here's hoping we like the other shoe that is going to drop. I doubt that Dragic will be reporting to Toronto, but how he leaves the roster is going to be interesting. Reports out of Dallas suggest he expects the Raptors to buy him out so he can join the Mavericks. As a Raptor fan I hope we leave him hanging until Cuban gives us something worthwhile instead of paying him off.
Honestly I would have been happy with just a future second for him so that we'd have room to sign Holmes, but it appears that ship has already sailed... maybe Powell and a TPE?


1.) 03 Aug 2021 15:29:00
If he doesn't report, then fine him a game check for every game he misses. Ends up costing nothing but cap space. Move him at the trade deadline as an expiring contract.

2.) 04 Aug 2021 01:53:45
waiting on that shoe is actually encouraging. while kyle has announced he's going to sign with miami, toronto hasn't announced who is coming back in the sign and trade. which means that is still being negotiated. pat riley had to jump through hoops to put the jimmie trade together, and now masai is calling the same dance. @fredman - your guy Holmes returning so quickly is interesting. he shares an agency with fred van vleet, so there's a relationship already there for Holmes to be marketed to Toronto if he wanted to go there. so either he didn't want Toronto, or they didn't want him because it should have been a natural fit.
so I'm guessing Raptor management is confident their starting 5 is coming to them for Lowry?

3.) 04 Aug 2021 16:52:44
I think Holmes jumped because of the 4 years. I think he is a little tired of changing cities every year. Plus, Raptors playing in Toronto next year is not a lock as Delta Variant numbers rise.



14 Jul 2021 17:36:49
Your predictions please...

1) opt in
2) opt out and resign
3) opt out and sign with ?
4) opt out for s&t with ?

1) resign with Lakers
2) sign with ? for ?
3) sign and trade with ? for ?

Danny Green
1) resign with 76ers
2) sign with ? for ?

John Collins
1) resign for ?
2) sign with ? for ?
3) Atlanta match offer sheet
4) sign and trade with ? for ?

1) resign with Nets
2) sign and trade with ? for ?
3) sign with ? for ?

1) resign with Bulls
2) sign with ? for ?
3) sign and trade with ? for ?
4) Chicago match offer sheet

1) resign with Miami
2) sign with ? for ?
3) sign and trade with ? for ?

1) resign with Pelicans
2) sign with ? for ?
3) sign and trade with ? for ?
4) Pelicans match offer sheet

Chris Paul
1) opt in
2) opt out and resign with Phoenix
3) opt out and sign with ? for ?

Norm Powell
1) opt in
2) opt out and resign with Portland
3) opt out and sign with ? for ?

Rishaun Holmes
1) resign with Sacramento
2) sign with ? for ?

1) resign with Spurs
2) sign with ? for ?
3) sign and trade with ? for ?

Trent Jr
1) resign with Toronto
2) sign with ? for ?
3) sign and trade with ? for ?
4) Toronto matches offer sheet

1) resign with Toronto
2) sign with ? for ?
3) sign and trade with ? for ?

1) resign with Utah
2) sign with ? for ?
3) sign and trade with ? for ?

Trade Beal or keep

Trade Simmons or keep?

Trade KP or keep?

Trade McCollum? Lillard? keep both?


1.) 14 Jul 2021 21:13:32
Kawhi: Re-sign after opting out
Schroeder: Staying
D. Green: 50/ 50 I guess
Collins: Probably staying
Dinwiddie: Probably staying
Markkanen: Probably staying tbh
Paul: PO accept all the way
Powell: Won't opt in, probably will re-sign
Holmes: Won't resign. Charlotte/ Toronto
DeRozan: I could see him leaving, but not surprised if he stays.
Trent: His cap hold is tiny. I'd not waive his hold but not re-sign him either until we've made other moves.
Lowry: Probably leaving. S&T (Philly? )
Conley: I see him staying for sure.
Washington: I'd trade Beal, they aren't going anywhere rn.
Philly: Let Harris play three. Maxey/ Curry/ Harris/ Simmons/ Embiid be the lineup for now.
Dallas: Not going to get much for KP, I'd keep him
Portland: Ask BMiller :)

2.) 15 Jul 2021 03:59:40
1. Opts in, leaves next summer
2. S&T
3. Resign with 76ers
4. Resign with Hawks
5. Signs with Knicks
6. Signs with Spurs
7. Signs cheap 1+1 TO with Miami
8. Signs with Bulls
9. Opts in
10. Resigns with Blazers
11. Signs with Hornets
12. Signs with Memphis
13. Resigns with Raps
14. Leaves or S&T
15. Resigns with Utah
Keep Beal
Trade Simmons
Trade KP
Trade CJ.

3.) 15 Jul 2021 08:22:06
1) Opt out and resign
2) Sign with other team maybe Detroit
3) Resign
4) resign for a max offer
5) Go's to a LA team or sign for the Knicks
6)I've got a feeling he's going to the Mavs
7)Dip is going to the Knicks or sign a one year offer for Miami
8)L Ball is going to the Bulls
9)CP3 opt's out and resign with phoenix
10)Poweel stays in Portland
11)holmes stays in sacramento
12)Memphis or Dallas
14)I hope Philly or resigns
15)Stay in Utah
16) staying/ Knicks/ Miami/ Atlanta
17)Keep him untill they get a good offer
18) Keep him untill they get a good offer
19) Trade both, they should trade Lilliard to (another) good team and there's no use to keep McCollum when Lilliard is gone.



14 Jul 2021 01:24:46
Does Kawhi's surgery change his approach to his option?
Does he have the faith to decline and try to sign the big deal like KD did?
Or does he take the safe road and opt in?


1.) 14 Jul 2021 04:54:38
Whatever it is, he'll get big money for sure.

2.) 14 Jul 2021 14:51:41
No matter his option he ain’t going to Toronto.

3.) 14 Jul 2021 15:50:49
Ballmer might be the richest owner, just don't see him being an ignorant owner.

I see Kawhi opting in.

4.) 14 Jul 2021 16:04:07
II, we don't even have the cap if we wanted to lol.

5.) 14 Jul 2021 17:42:44
I see Kawhi opting out in order to get more guaranteed years with his new contract. Plus, he is now eligible for the 10-year vet max salary deal which is higher (35% of cap vs 30% of cap) .

6.) 15 Jul 2021 15:58:28
I don’t see him opting out after the acl surgery.

7.) 16 Jul 2021 22:08:28
I disagree Fredman.



23 Jun 2021 01:24:35
I need a starting 5... rim protector and defensive rebounder who can space on offense... salary up to $20M

I've got the #4 pick.
Maybe Lowry for a S&T
Maybe Trent for a S&T

can provide 8 to 18M in salary ballast

Make your offers!


1.) 23 Jun 2021 03:32:07
Turner for Trent maybe

4th and Hood for Wood and House.

2.) 23 Jun 2021 09:12:14
Remember that Lowry and Trent have to want to sign for those teams. It's easy to say you have an S&T, but actually executing it is another thing.

3.) 23 Jun 2021 13:53:13
#4 for Turner + #13 is probably the best scenario that I can see for Toronto.

Unfortunately, Toronto can only have the cap space to accept Turner's salary at the expense of the cap hold on Lowry which means that Toronto has to let him walk with no compensation. Or expand this current trade into a multi-team trade where Indy takes part of the salary coming back from the Lowry S&T.

4.) 23 Jun 2021 14:44:08
@Fredman - would Indy do it if Toronto said keep #13 and take Hood and Baynes instead? . i think that could be done before the draft as long as Toronto accepts the team options on them. then it wouldn't have any impact on the cap for Lowry.

5.) 23 Jun 2021 16:51:37
@windrapsfan. Toronto is probably just better not picking up the options on Hood and Baynes. Yes, you can do what you described (not sure Indy is interested since they are already over the salary cap for next year), but I think having #13 is probably better for the Raptors.

Right now, Toronto has around $71 mil guaranteed in 4 players. If they do not pick up any of their team options and add cap holds for #4 pick + empty roster spots ($14.7), they can get their number down to $85.4-ish which means a salary cap space of around $27 mil.

Maintain cap hold on Lowry ($36 mil) takes all that cap space away (should have traded him at the deadline) . Take away from that $18 mil for Turner's salary and add $3.5 back because of the lower cap hold for #13 pick would put the Raptors at $12.5 mil in cap space remaining. This allows the Raptors to pick up the team option on Boucher and keep the cap hold on Trent in order to resign him for an amount over the salary cap. Once Trent is resigned, you can also resign Watanabe for the minimum as well.

FVV/ Trent/ OG/ Siakam/ Turner Bench Boucher/ Flynn/ #13/ Watanabe/ (maybe Birch resigned at min after all the moves) .

6.) 23 Jun 2021 19:08:01
@windrapsfan. Also, do you really want to trade away the #4 pick prior to knowing if Mobley may actually fall to #4?

7.) 24 Jun 2021 12:49:45
@Fredman - I wondered the same. and I like the idea of Suggs in that lineup too. but Cunningham is a no brainer instant contributor that could change the landscape of the Raptors offseason plan, where the others wouldn't really move the needle right away. Bigs take time to develop. I think Mobley may be an allstar one day, but so will Wiseman, but he wasn't of much use in his first year. I think it might be wise for the Raptors to use that 4 pick to solve a current roster problem.

8.) 24 Jun 2021 14:25:59
I understand. I have always been a person who believes in keeping your options open. I would wait until draft day and see how the top 3 picks pan out. I would draft Mobley if he is there at #4 because he is younger and cheaper than Turner. I also think Mobley is a real good fit alongside Siakam and you have "control" of Mobley for the next 8+ years.

If Mobley is drafted before #4, then you go with option B and trade #4 for Turner + #13. Then you add a Kispert or Bouknight to the bench.

I have been thinking of the same scenario with the #9 pick in getting Turner + #13 as well.

9.) 25 Jun 2021 12:14:39
I would absolutely love Turner here. 4 for Turner+13 would be a nice deal for both sides. Besides, you still have the MLE+BAE to sign other FAs.




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21 Oct 2021 18:10:12
Already? OG and FVV combined to shoot 8 for 37. if they combine to shoot 40% the Raptors win that game. But yeah, let's trade out best player on one game's result.




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19 Oct 2021 16:23:33
Much as the media seems to want them to, the Raptors are not rebuilding. They do not want to play with a traditional center. And they will squeeze value out of Dragic or buy him out AFTER the deadline. Siakam, FVV and OG are not going anywhere unless the bottom totally falls out of the boat before the deadline. For now, they are the core Toronto will build around.




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16 Oct 2021 13:51:16
@Casual - I love Kyle Lowry as the greatest Raptor ever, but part of his charm over the years in Toronto has been his capacity to be petulant at times. he signed with the Heat and didn't even talk to the Knicks because Miami is where he wanted to be. I could definitely see some attitude happening if they just dumped him at first chance.




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16 Oct 2021 00:27:41
ah but Darry, you're forgetting the petulant Kyle. He'll be some totally pissed if he's traded away from Miami. Jimmy would be too, even if Kyrie was coming. Kyle and Jimmy are close.




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16 Oct 2021 00:24:09
To believe what Mannix says in his article about Siakam means disbelieving everything any Raptors or Raptors management has said publicly. Perhaps his speculation would prove accurate more often if he just took the time to listen to what Webster, Ujiri, Freddy, Nurse and Siakam himself have said about the situation. I guess that doesn't generate enough clicks.





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