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02 May 2022 02:23:54
Should Kyrie's contract discussions with the Nets go off the rails this summer (admit it, with Irving anything is possible) the Nets and Raptors could hook up... Ben Simmons would fit nicely as a 6'11" point guard in the Raptors all-big but not too big lineup... Fred VanVleet would give the Nets some stability and great defense, add Khem Birch as a rotation guy and Malachi Flynn as a young promising guard who isn't getting an opportunity to balance the salaries.
Tough to say about which way picks would go... Simmons has higher upside, particularly in Raptors line-up, but is a much higher risk...
And of course the Nets would not do this if they were going to keep Kyrie... but stranger things have happened with this player.

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1.) 02 May 2022 03:29:04
How well would Simmons and Barnes fit?


2.) 02 May 2022 12:18:59
@NBA16 - I/ m not sure of the fit because Toronto doesn't use the point guard position as a lot of teams do. you're just as likely to see Diakam and Barnes and sometimes even OG and Achiuwa bringing the ball up the floor as Fred has been. in one way he'd be a perfect fit because he can't shoot just like the rest of the team lol. I doubt that Masai would give Freddy up in a trade but I think a lineup of Simmons, Trent Jr, Anunoby, Barnes and Siakam would be an absolute terror defensively, and Achiuwa coming off the bench is also a strong defender. I think Masai wants to win games 62 - 58.


3.) 02 May 2022 16:38:11
This is interesting. I feel like Brooklyn would want more, but what do I know. They already got Curry and a couple picks WITH Simmons, so maybe they'd be willing to forego some of those extra assets just to get rid of the headache. That being said. how would the locker room fit be in Toronto? Especially if you're losing the leadership of FVV? I have no doubt Barnes will be able to step into that role eventually but he's got a couple of years to go.

On the court you're right that that lineup would be a defensive beast. You would just have to hope that the shooting improves with that group or at least gets more consistent, or that they can bring in an inexpensive shooter or two to supplement. On the other hand, they've had a lot of awful (and overall low-scoring) games they've won or come close to winning because the defense has been so locked in, including in this year's playoffs. They just have to start bringing it every night. That's what I keep going back to with this group. They're still so young. Give them a couple more years to grow and work together within this system, get more consistent defensively, and they could be a force even without reliable shooting. Add that in eventually and they could make some noise.


4.) 11 May 2022 16:22:35
Yous are all high. Barnes is a better player then Simmons and Raptor's need shooting. So why would they do this. If Barnes wasn't on yhe team I can see something happening but not now.

Simmons needs to get healthy mentally and physically then play a season and see what happened with all that time off maybe he learnt how to shoot. Lol doubt it.


 

 

06 Feb 2022 18:50:11
Brooklyn sends Milsap to Bulls for Matt Thomas
Milsap doesn't have much left but can help in a part time role as a vet 4. Thomas shooting over 40% on 3s gives BKL a shooter they need

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03 Feb 2022 05:23:00
Raptors send Dragic, Flynn and 2022 1st to Spurs. Grizzlies send Kyle Anderson and Utah 2022 1st to Spurs. Spurs send Poetl and Walker IV to Raptors and Thaddeus Young to Grizzlies.
Depending on Spurs preference... trade as proposed assumes they aren't really big on resigning Walker and prefer Flynn's rookie contract. If they want to keep him they could put Eubanks in and not take Flynn.

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1.) 03 Feb 2022 14:22:08
if walker can get his numbers up to last years could be a good trade. poetls f/ t are troublesome especially in crunch time. the raptors are two solid bench players away right now form being serious contenders. with this trade. they are no worse than +250s against either the bulls or the heat. could even be a pick em.


 

 

08 Sep 2021 15:49:03
Philly - Toronto

Philly may get better offers than this, but if not, this deal does offer some value to them, and Simmons' value isn't what it was. In any event, I think it's the best offer Toronto SHOULD make...

Dragic, Boucher, 2022 1st, 2023 swap, 2024 1st

for Simmons

PHIL
Dragic/Maxey
Curry/Milton
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Boucher
Embiid/Drummond

TOR
VanVleet/Flynn
Trent/Mykhailiuk
Anunoby/Barnes
Siakam/Achiuwa
Simmons/Birch

Philly has a more balanced lineup and gets rid of a problem. Toronto front court becomes a defensive menace. Throw Barnes into the 2 in late game situations and nobody scores (including Toronto maybe lol)

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1.) 08 Sep 2021 18:22:57
Phili counter offer: Harris and Maxey for Siakam.

They’re equally bad.

Even if you added OG it’s a pretty poor offer. If Dragic is the best player they bring back for Simmons, they might as well just waive Embiid.


2.) 08 Sep 2021 20:31:59
It wouldn't surprise me if there was a better offer. your Blazers certainly could offer more and may be more motivated to do it. Dragic allows them to clear the books to build better around Embiid. Cleveland will likely make a better offer. I don't think Minny will despite how badly they want him. I doubt they will get the prize they really want, which is Dame. I'm pretty certain Morey is not going to be able to get what he wants in this deal from anybody. Sac says no to Hali and Fox, Portland says no to Dame, Warriors say no to Wiseman and Kuminga. Personally I'd be tempted to send Siakam if it was straight up, but I don't think Raptors management would do that.


 

 

08 Jul 2021 21:56:09
TOR - DET

If Toronto management is sold on Cunningham becoming a superstar...

Toronto sends Siakam, Flynn, #4 and 2023 1st

Detroit sends Grant, Joseph and #1

Saw Bleacher Report's proposals for all the top 10 teams best offers, but I don't think the Raptors would part with OG. I believe Toronto management sees Siakam as, worst case, salary ballast to trade for a disgruntled superstar. If they believe Cunningham will become that superstar this would make sense for the Raptors.
Not sure if Detroit would see Siakam as that much of an upgrade over Grant, but Casey is familiar with him...

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1.) 09 Jul 2021 05:21:17
Pistons say no.


2.) 09 Jul 2021 05:39:56
What do rap fans see in OG that wouldn’t package him for a super star? (Not this trade)


3.) 09 Jul 2021 17:51:54
OG in Toronto = Issac in Orlando.


4.) 09 Jul 2021 18:11:56
@NBA16 - OG is likely going to reach AllNBA defensive team, and, if he continues to develop his handle could become a top 10, maybe top 5 kind of player. He has the demeanour of an assassin that you need to be the best. I think Toronto management sees his upside as being higher than Siakam's, because Pascal is too emotional and let's himself get beat by his own attitude.
Also, Anunoby's salary would still require another contract to match salaries. Siakam's salary can match up with almost any superstar.
And finally. I think OG is a better support piece for that superstar than Siakam would be.


5.) 09 Jul 2021 20:16:46
Neither are going to be superstars.


 

 

 

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11 Jun 2022 15:44:37
Jake Fisher is not at all a popular man in Toronto right now with his "reporting" about OG. I'm wondering which of the so-called NBA insiders are the worst for click-bait headline BS, and which you think are most reliable? My own opinion is that most of what you see on Bleacher Report is nothing but speculation. I'm also wondering how much of this crap is coming from agents and/or other front offices stirring up rubbish...

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1.) 11 Jun 2022 18:44:26
Jake Fisher's report reminds me very much of the reporting before Jeremi Grant's last year in Denver. Just saying.


2.) 12 Jun 2022 01:15:19
not familiar with your comparison, fredman, but there's been not a whisper of anything like this from toronto media, including ones around the team that seem to enjoy stirring things up. if local media is reporting it then there might be fire with that smoke, but guys that aren't with the team every day are a whole lot less reliable than the ones who talk to the players day in day out throughout the season. the only thing close being reported in market is that GTJ might opt out next year and hesitate to resign if he thinks there's more shots somewhere else.


3.) 12 Jun 2022 02:16:52
I'm almost entirely certain the "sources" are all from agents, rival front offices, or just "a guy who knows a guy who knows the ball boy that sat within 15 feet of OG" most of the time. Almost all of the "reports" feature scenarios and packages that are completely laughable and out of sync with what the Raptors would actually want. I take pretty much all reporting from insiders with a grain of salt these days. 99.9% of the time it doesn't happen or doesn't come close to happening the way they speculated. There's so much that goes on behind the scenes within organizations and to work a deal that any information they get that might be the slightest bit legit is most likely only the tip of a very large iceberg.


4.) 12 Jun 2022 12:09:50
It was reported in Grant's last year in Denver that he was unhappy being the 3rd wheel behind the Joker and Murray. Everyone sort of ignored the reporting and Grant was not traded so Denver could make its playoff run with the belief would be able to resign Grant n the of season. Detroit offered him the opportunity + $$$$, so he left Denr in free agency.

If the OG reporting is accurate, then OG is starting down a similar path. Toronto has to be wary of someone (Orlando? ) giving OG that opportunity.


5.) 12 Jun 2022 14:32:58
OG is under contract until at least the summer of '24, when he has a player option. So IF the reports are accurate (which I don't really buy) and OG is actually that unhappy, they have plenty of time to either reconcile or find a deal. This isn't a "Grant's last year in Denver" type of situation. They're not going to rush into a deal because of some potentially pot-stirring reporting unless it's some sort of Godfather offer that vaults them into contender status, or he officially requests a trade and forces his way out.

If anything, GTJ is the far more likely candidate to fall into the Grant/ Denver example. There hasn't been any reporting, but based on contract status (player option after next season) and his body language on the court at times, he's probably going to be looking for North of $20 mil a year and more touches in a more featured role. With the current makeup, the Raptors aren't likely going to be able to give him both.

I will say that regardless of reporting and rumors NOW, they're going to have some tough roster decisions to make over the next couple of seasons if Barnes continues to ascend, Precious enters the starter conversation, and with Trent having the option to opt out.


6.) 12 Jun 2022 16:48:21
Did I say anything about a last year on Grant's contract situation? You are simply adding that in to handwaive the rest. OG is making his feelings known. Ignore them and he will probably be gone when the first opportunity presents itself.


7.) 13 Jun 2022 01:18:23
"It was reported in Grant's last year in Denver that he was unhappy being the 3rd wheel behind the Joker and Murray. " It's literally the first thing you said.

Handwaiving? Why would Masai unload OG based on a single "report" from a guy outside the organization with spotty sources when he has team control for another two full seasons? This team doesn't make panic deals. If he comes out publicly and says it himself, sure, go nuts. If he's "starting down a similar path", great. He's not a pending FA, so what's the rush?


 

 

24 Apr 2022 01:00:51
Scottie Barnes.
In Masai we trust.

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1.) 25 Apr 2022 02:31:14
Least deserving ROTY ever but congrats to Masai on taking him over Suggs.


2.) 25 Apr 2022 05:34:19
Ever may be a stretch, he put up fairly the same kindve stats Lamelo did his rookie year. Obviously Melo double the assists, but Barnes was double (maybe more) the defender.

Least deserving category would be: Brogdon (10/ 3/ 4) Mike Miller (12/ 4/ 2) and Jason Kidd tying G. Hill (should’ve been Hill by a mile)

I think it was a toss up between Mobley/ Barnes.


 

 

12 Apr 2022 22:30:43
Russ needs a new home. While there are a lot of teams that would want no part of him I think it is likely that LA finds a trade partner this summer willing to take on Westbrook for all the wrong reasons... (ie to shorten the pain of their own bad decisions)
Do any of these make sense for your team?
Orlando - if they're ready to give up on Isaac and Fultz and toss in Ross' salary the math works...and that saves $45M in the coming years...
Sacramento - if they think the Fox deal was a mistake then his contract and Barnes' would clear a future $104M
Dallas - could clear a future $73M by dealing Hardaway Jr, Dinwiddie and Bullock and clear room for a max in the 23 offseason
Philly - if they lose in the first round and Harden insists on exercising his option, would they consider swapping him out for Russ?
Brooklyn - same question of Kyrie if Brooklyn goes out round 1... would KD turn sour on him? would he want a re-union tour with Russ?
Indiana - Brogdan and Hield would give them $63M in future savings
Charlotte - Hayward and Rozier would provide over $100M in future salary... Hayward and Oubre would save only $30M long term
The Knicks are an obvious match but word is they're not interested. OKC and maybe 1 or 2 others might be candidates to take the contract with picks, but the Lakers would obviously rather keep picks and take back bad but not Russ level horrible talents. While it's harsh to call Russ' play horrible, it certainly didn't help the Lakers this year.
Who am I missing? Where do you think he'll go?

wlndrapsfan

1.) 13 Apr 2022 02:02:24
Would Washington be interested if Beal leaves? Unicorn and more?


2.) 13 Apr 2022 14:44:54
@Nightcap - I thought about that because they could make the numbers work, but left it out because they just traded him away last year. having said that, maybe a 3 way deal that brings Wall back home?


3.) 13 Apr 2022 22:13:29
Maybe. The big difference between Wall and Westbrook is that the latter plays for a team that would be willing to take a lot of salary back as long as it's for players that will help them.


 

 

08 Apr 2022 20:55:30
If Kawhi were able to come back during the playoffs, and Ben was able to at least make a contribution defensively for the Nets, nobody would be all that surprised about a Brooklyn/Clippers final. But has that ever happened? Have 2 7 seeds ended up in the final together before? What's the lowest pair of seeds you can remember...

wlndrapsfan

1.) 08 Apr 2022 23:32:57
Grizzlies will be in trouble even if Kawhi doesn't play if the Clippers get the 7th seed. But i am hoping for the best for the Grizz. It's a wonderful season for them.


2.) 09 Apr 2022 03:30:08
1999 championship Spurs vs Knicks was a 1 seed vs 8 seed.


3.) 09 Apr 2022 13:36:27
I really wouldn’t be surprised if we lost 1st round to clips if Kawhi came back. Beating 2 superstars with that much playoff experience, especially Kawhi and finals, is really hard for a whole team who isn’t even in their prime yet.


 

 

10 Feb 2022 20:54:43
OK Raptor fans. We've added Thad Young and are waiving Drew Eubanks. We've saved enough salary with the deal to fill the last roster spot with an end of season deal.
Are we signing DJ Wilson out of the G League? Someone else in the G league, maybe from the 905? Or who should we target on the buyout market.
Pretty clear now that we won't be adding a traditional 5.

wlndrapsfan

1.) 11 Feb 2022 11:34:30
We legitemaly have a logjam at PF/ C. Young, Achiuwa, Boucher, Birch are our best bench players. No need for Wilson.


 

 

 

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25 Jun 2022 12:47:12
G) opts in, continues to flood the media with leaks that he's going to play it out and leave for nothing next year, then signs an almost max but heavily incentivized contract which guarantees 2 years and leaves the last 2 as guaranteed only if he hits games played milestones in the first 2 years. use CP3's contract as a model

This assumes that there remains some sanity within his brain.

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24 Jun 2022 02:00:43
@Nightcap - his salary can bring back a player of similar salary who can contribute, going over the nontax MLE without using that MLE. they'd have to attach an asset (1st) but if there's a team with a lot of young players (like OKC) that can afford to carry the unproductive salary (like Houston and John Wall last year) . if they don't guarantee him they basically lose that $10M roster spot because they can't replace it while over the cap.

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24 Jun 2022 01:54:17
guys who want out don't show for off season workouts. or teammates charity softball games for that matter.

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23 Jun 2022 12:13:16
@Skillz - an RFA can not sign a 5 year contract in a sign and trade. the salary and terms (years and annual increases) can only be the max 4 year that any team with space can offer. Ayton only gets 5 years if Phoenix offers it and he signs that deal. yes, Phoenix can match and trade later but if he doesn't want to be there they run the risk of him messing up team chemistry or just go out and dog it like Vince Carter did to the Raptors when he forced his trade out of Toronto. it might still be their best move, but it carries risk in itself.

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23 Jun 2022 00:12:47
Pistons management probably feels this is just part of the price tag for Ayton, and if they get him then they win the trade from their perspective. but it does seem a little short when you think of RoCo getting 2 1sts in recent years. would have thought Grant's value would be close.

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25 Jun 2022 13:00:46
this is beginning to look like the league wide rush chasing Kawhi when he demanded a trade. i almost expect to be surprised whichever team ends up with him.

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23 Jun 2022 00:10:14
As a Raptors fan I'd give up Siakam + picks, and that probably wouldn't be enough, unless KD wanted to come here.

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22 Jun 2022 13:31:55
I wonder if the Raptors value anyone enough to offer the 33 plus some light future consideration for GSW's 28, which as Fredman pointed out is a pick the Warriors may want to move. 5 spots down saves them from carrying that first round salary at taxpayer rates.

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16 Jun 2022 12:02:01
the cynic in me says Orlando or San Antonio, due to low or no income taxes. and the warmest weather too. Detroit and the Spurs would be in my mind the best situations to be competitive soon, but none of these teams are going to convince anyone they can compete soon.

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15 Jun 2022 19:35:30
I'm watching Jalen Smith carefully as free agency opens. I think he may be a Raptors target. he does fit the mold. I think there will be a few teams offering, and the Pacers are likely SOL because of the limits on what they can offer him.

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