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08 Sep 2021 15:49:03
Philly - Toronto

Philly may get better offers than this, but if not, this deal does offer some value to them, and Simmons' value isn't what it was. In any event, I think it's the best offer Toronto SHOULD make...

Dragic, Boucher, 2022 1st, 2023 swap, 2024 1st

for Simmons



Philly has a more balanced lineup and gets rid of a problem. Toronto front court becomes a defensive menace. Throw Barnes into the 2 in late game situations and nobody scores (including Toronto maybe lol)


1.) 08 Sep 2021 18:22:57
Phili counter offer: Harris and Maxey for Siakam.

They’re equally bad.

Even if you added OG it’s a pretty poor offer. If Dragic is the best player they bring back for Simmons, they might as well just waive Embiid.

2.) 08 Sep 2021 20:31:59
It wouldn't surprise me if there was a better offer. your Blazers certainly could offer more and may be more motivated to do it. Dragic allows them to clear the books to build better around Embiid. Cleveland will likely make a better offer. I don't think Minny will despite how badly they want him. I doubt they will get the prize they really want, which is Dame. I'm pretty certain Morey is not going to be able to get what he wants in this deal from anybody. Sac says no to Hali and Fox, Portland says no to Dame, Warriors say no to Wiseman and Kuminga. Personally I'd be tempted to send Siakam if it was straight up, but I don't think Raptors management would do that.



08 Jul 2021 21:56:09

If Toronto management is sold on Cunningham becoming a superstar...

Toronto sends Siakam, Flynn, #4 and 2023 1st

Detroit sends Grant, Joseph and #1

Saw Bleacher Report's proposals for all the top 10 teams best offers, but I don't think the Raptors would part with OG. I believe Toronto management sees Siakam as, worst case, salary ballast to trade for a disgruntled superstar. If they believe Cunningham will become that superstar this would make sense for the Raptors.
Not sure if Detroit would see Siakam as that much of an upgrade over Grant, but Casey is familiar with him...


1.) 09 Jul 2021 05:21:17
Pistons say no.

2.) 09 Jul 2021 05:39:56
What do rap fans see in OG that wouldn’t package him for a super star? (Not this trade)

3.) 09 Jul 2021 17:51:54
OG in Toronto = Issac in Orlando.

4.) 09 Jul 2021 18:11:56
@NBA16 - OG is likely going to reach AllNBA defensive team, and, if he continues to develop his handle could become a top 10, maybe top 5 kind of player. He has the demeanour of an assassin that you need to be the best. I think Toronto management sees his upside as being higher than Siakam's, because Pascal is too emotional and let's himself get beat by his own attitude.
Also, Anunoby's salary would still require another contract to match salaries. Siakam's salary can match up with almost any superstar.
And finally. I think OG is a better support piece for that superstar than Siakam would be.

5.) 09 Jul 2021 20:16:46
Neither are going to be superstars.



26 Jun 2021 04:16:08
Decided I'd do a Fredman style offseason plan for the Raptors. I read the prediction The Athletic had and thought these guys aren't near bold enough. I threw out their rule of using the tax line as a hard cap and set out to improve the roster to top 4 in the eastand go ahead and spend into the tax. I believe that the Raptors plan to stay competitive and be ready to strike when the next disgruntled superstar becomes available...
I borrowed structure and some of the numbers from The Athletics' article (credit where due... Lowry, Trent and Birch deals used their numbers)...

Raptors offseason

June 30 - Raptors announce Masai Ujiri has agreed to a 3 year extension making him the highest paid executive in all North American pro sports

July 26 - The Raptors announce they will guarantee Rodney Hood's $10.85 million contract for 2021-22, ; they also announce they will guarantee Aaron Baynes' $7.35 million salary.

July 29 - The Raptors announce they will trade Aaron Baynes, Rodney Hood, the #4 pick in this year's draft, Raptors 1st round pick in 2023 to Indianapolis Pacers for Myles Turner

Aug. 4: Raptors re-sign Kyle Lowry (unrestricted, Bird rights) to a two-year, $45 million deal
As a product of deciding to sign Lowry, the Raptors will now operate as an over-the-cap team.

the Raptors guarantee the contracts of Chris Boucher (decision must be made by Aug. 8), Yuta Watanabe ($375,000 guaranteed now, the rest if he makes the opening night roster, Aug. 9), DeAndre' Bembry (Aug. 6/7), Paul Watson Jr. (Aug. 5/6), and Freddie Gillespie ($50,000 guaranteed now, the rest if he makes the opening night roster, Aug. 20).

Assuming both Watanabe and Gillespie make the team, and assuming Jalen Harris and the second-round pick agree to two-way deals, that gives the Raptors 10 main-roster players and two two-way players at $102,278,712 - more than $34 million under the luxury tax, which I am NOT using as a de facto hard cap. Lowry's first year salary is 21.6M, so the cap sheet is now at $123,908,712

Here's the roster breakdown as of now.

Guard: Fred VanVleet, Kyle Lowry, Malachi Flynn, Jalen Harris (two-way)
Wing: OG Anunoby, Pascal Siakam, Yuta Watanabe, Paul Watson Jr., De'Andre Bembry
Frontcourt: Myles Turner, Chris Boucher, Freddie Gillespie
Additional two-way (one of 2nd round picks, or undrafted find)

Aug. 6: Raptors sign Khem Birch (unrestricted, part of mid-level exception) to two-year, $10 million contract.

Aug 11: Raptors sign Gary Trent Jr. (restricted, Bird rights) to three-year, $45.45 million deal, third-year player option

Now 13 players and salary of 142,708,712. Now a taxpayer, so Birch's salary makes up 4.8M of the 5.8M taxpayer MLE. 14th spot gets filled at the vet minumum.

Starting lineup
Lowry, vanVleet, Anunoby, Siakam, Turner
Flynn, Trent, Bembry, Boucher, Birch

Gillespie, Watanabe, Watson + 1 or 2 vets at minimum


1.) 26 Jun 2021 09:08:53
So you are going to be a tax payer for the next few years while not being a championship caliber team. Maybe 5th seed in the East behind MIL, BRK, ATL, PHIL.

2.) 26 Jun 2021 12:29:14
Yep. once the team is back in Toronto there is a revenue stream to justify paying tax. The goal is to become a team that can become a serious contender with one deal for one superstar. I honestly believe that the lineup I have would compete for a 3 seed in this year's NBA and I'm not convinced Philly won't end up weaker in whatever moves they make this offseason (Darryl Morey is jinxed) . Brooklyn is clearly the class of the East but are vulnerable to injury.
One place where the similarities between Sac and Toronto diverge is market. Toronto has the revenue streams to profit even when paying tax. Sacramento can't profit if they're into the tax.

3.) 26 Jun 2021 14:36:48
I really dislike the idea of trading that number 4 pick we always complain we never have a superstar well this is a legit opportunity to draft one and people just want to trade it for miles turner.

4.) 26 Jun 2021 15:33:25
Too much for Turner imo.

5.) 26 Jun 2021 17:11:43
Way too much writing for Turner.

6.) 26 Jun 2021 18:00:00
@shizzee. way less writing than you might think. most of it is cut and paste from The Athletic lol.

{Ed001's Note - could you please credit them in future if you are going to do that. It is not right to steal someone else's work and pass it off as your own.}



22 Jun 2021 00:25:38
down to the final 4 and now there's 2 teams kicking themselves for not getting the lowry deal done. with the knicks sitting on cap space and masai's willingness to walk if you don't meet the price the raptors may do well on a sign and trade.
below are some ideas of what the raptors should target from each team that might be interested... some of them are the best the team might have to offer but still not enough... some of them might have guys screaming its too much... but i don't think any sign and trade is going to be as a favour to Kyle... he knows its a busines...

Clippers - Beverley and Morris or Kennard (hate it as a raptor fan)
Dallas - KP (hate this even more)
Knicks - would probably just prefer to use cap space...
Nets - Jordan and Harris (but why with Harden and Irving?)
Suns (if Paul declines and leaves) Saric, Bridges (wouldn't do it)
Lakers - Caldwell-Pope, Kuzma
Heat - Dragic, Herro, Precious
Phila - Simmons

to me the Philly deal would be the best if they are really ready to thrown in on simmons... but i think morey has to be asking himself if they would still be playing if he'd made that trade at the deadline... and he's never been afraid to gamble...

what deals would you think more likely? or will toronto just resign him?




18 Jun 2021 22:46:04
Now that Brad Stevens has made his first move he has some cleaning up to do... Boston needs a point guard, and has too many 5s...
Raptors S&T Lowry (2+1, 25M/yr) for Thompson and Smart.
Boston then resigns Fournier to play the 2





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22 Jan 2022 22:31:03
Raptors offer Malachi Flynn and his dad for a bag of basketballs and a 2057 28th round pick


1.) 23 Jan 2022 21:00:12
you think you can get a 28th round? lmao

43rd at best.

2.) 24 Jan 2022 00:26:30
there I go again, over-estimating the value of one of our players.

3.) 24 Jan 2022 14:30:01
Remember when Darry said Flynn equaled 2 1sts.

4.) 24 Jan 2022 16:53:29
I naturally overvalue players :)



14 Dec 2021 02:10:06
What would you offer from your team? As Toronto, I'm looking for a combo guard to back up FVV and GTJ as a solid playoff rotation player. I want to add to, and therefore, not trade away, Birch and Achuiaw up front, Siakam, Anunoby and Barnes as big wings and FVV and GTJ starting in the back court. I'd rather not trade back Banton, but can offer Dragic and his 19.4M salary ballast, and/or any of Flynn on his rookie deal, Michaeliuk, Watanabe or Boucher. I've got all my 1st rounders available and all but 2 of my upcoming seconds. Is there a deal to be made with your team?


1.) 14 Dec 2021 02:28:44
Dennis Schroder could be gotten, but I don't see anything I like. A first is too much more than likely. Maybe a 3rd team could get involved who would want Boucher?

2.) 14 Dec 2021 12:39:48
Boucher could go to Chicago or Boston.
Dragic to NY, Denver, Dallas?

3.) 14 Dec 2021 13:10:39
what's coming back from those teams Darry?

4.) 14 Dec 2021 14:57:24
Boucher isn't a fit with Boston.

5.) 14 Dec 2021 16:50:07
Nightcap, who fits Boston?

6.) 14 Dec 2021 18:14:53
They could use a shooter.

7.) 14 Dec 2021 23:34:15
You didn’t want Kennard.

8.) 15 Dec 2021 01:07:12
I still don't want Kennard but he is a very good shooter. It's just that they're working on being a strong defensive team and it can make it tough when you have a guy like that who can really get picked on.

9.) 15 Dec 2021 13:49:48
Every good team has a guy that can get picked on.

10.) 15 Dec 2021 14:16:51
Boucher can shoot and Boston needs a big.

11.) 15 Dec 2021 15:33:03
Boucher would be behind Robert Williams, Al Horford, Grant Williams, and maybe Enes Kanter. Schroder is averaging like 30+ minutes and 17 PPG. The only reason they would trade him is because he's a free agent after the year. Boucher is also a FA. Why would Boston make that move?



09 Dec 2021 15:16:38
Trade season really opens up on Dec 15, when more than 100 players who signed this past summer become trade eligible. But there will still be 26 players who become eligible after Dec 15 but before the deadline, 11 players with poison pills that would be harder to trade, and 7 players who signed too late to be eligible for trade until after the deadline.
DeMarcus Cousins(MIL), Aaron Gordon(DEN), Joel Embiid(PHI), Terrance Mann(LAC), Malcolm Brogdon(IND) and Daniel Gafford(WSH), Clint Capela(ATL)

Young(ATL), Huerter(ATL), Williams III(BOS), Doncic(DAL), Porter Jr.(DEN), Jackson Jr.(MEM) Allen(MIL) Gilgeous-Alexander(OKC), Carter Jr.(ORL), Bridges(PHX), Shamet(PHX)

Valentine(CLE) 12-19
Garza(DET) 12-22
Bradley(LAL) 12-26
Reaves(LAL) 12-27
Curry(GSW) 1-6
Butler(MIA) 1-7
Durant(BRK) 1-8
Davis(CLE) 1-13
Brooks(HOU) 1-14
Brown, Jr.(BRK) 1-15
Payne(PHX) 1-15
Nwaba(HOU) 1-15
Rose(NYK) 1-15
Robinson(MIA) 1-15
Korkmaz(PHL) 1-15
Trent Jr.(TOR) 1-15
Diallo(DET) 1-15
Vanderbilt(MIN) 1-15
Allen(CLE) 1-15
Collins(ATL) 1-15
McLaughlin(MIN) 1-15
Hart(NOP) 1-15
Powell(POR) 1-15
Jackson(LAC) 1-15
Holmes(SAC) 1-15
McConnell(IND) 1-15
Horton-Tucker(LAL) 1-15
Davis(SAC) 1-15
Payton II(GSW) 1-19
Parker(BOS) 1-19
Smart(BOS) 1-25
Rozier(CHA) 1-30
Randle(NYK) 2-3

Source ESPN Bobby Marks
Hope this helps some to build believable trades


1.) 11 Dec 2021 14:23:08
What qualifies as a poison pill? just curious.

2.) 11 Dec 2021 14:39:49
Poison pill means that the outgoing and incoming salary factored for the player are different. Outgoing counts as the current salary, while incoming counts as the extension value. So if Luka was traded, Dallas could only bring back what he makes this season, but the team getting him counts his extension in how much salary they acquire.

Makes trading those contracts really hard.

3.) 13 Dec 2021 01:03:11
Poison pill basically occurs when a player is still on their rookie contract, but they’ve already signed an extension. The outgoing salary for the team trading the poison pill is whatever that player is making that year, while the incoming salary for the team acquiring the poison pill is the average salary that player will make with all the years and money remaining on his contract.

Example: Robert Williams’ outgoing salary for the Celtics would be $3.6 million, whereas his incoming salary for the team that acquires him would be $10.3 million.

4.) 15 Dec 2021 14:17:37
Thanks for the explanation guys :)



06 Aug 2021 11:59:18
Sad to see Kyle Lowry leaving Toronto. We'll wish him well for the future, except when he plays against us. He is the greatest Raptor ever and has set a standard for the franchise.
But it was even more important that we keep the other big free agent, Masai Ujiri. The fact that he wants to stay says that ownership is committed to winning. He is respected around the league as one of the top executives and he's shown he can build a championship team.
Honestly, I'd be a lot more worried about Toronto's future if we'd kept Kyle and lost Masai. As long as he is in place leading the franchise fans can be confident that there is a plan, and the resources to fulfill it.


1.) 06 Aug 2021 13:59:58
LOL. When you said "the other big free agent", I thought for sure you were talking about Trent, Jr.

2.) 07 Aug 2021 02:47:10
no, but did you know kawhi is coming back to toronto? with beale of course, and doncic. they all want to joln forces with dragic to form a superteam.



03 Aug 2021 13:05:33
Here's hoping we like the other shoe that is going to drop. I doubt that Dragic will be reporting to Toronto, but how he leaves the roster is going to be interesting. Reports out of Dallas suggest he expects the Raptors to buy him out so he can join the Mavericks. As a Raptor fan I hope we leave him hanging until Cuban gives us something worthwhile instead of paying him off.
Honestly I would have been happy with just a future second for him so that we'd have room to sign Holmes, but it appears that ship has already sailed... maybe Powell and a TPE?


1.) 03 Aug 2021 15:29:00
If he doesn't report, then fine him a game check for every game he misses. Ends up costing nothing but cap space. Move him at the trade deadline as an expiring contract.

2.) 04 Aug 2021 01:53:45
waiting on that shoe is actually encouraging. while kyle has announced he's going to sign with miami, toronto hasn't announced who is coming back in the sign and trade. which means that is still being negotiated. pat riley had to jump through hoops to put the jimmie trade together, and now masai is calling the same dance. @fredman - your guy Holmes returning so quickly is interesting. he shares an agency with fred van vleet, so there's a relationship already there for Holmes to be marketed to Toronto if he wanted to go there. so either he didn't want Toronto, or they didn't want him because it should have been a natural fit.
so I'm guessing Raptor management is confident their starting 5 is coming to them for Lowry?

3.) 04 Aug 2021 16:52:44
I think Holmes jumped because of the 4 years. I think he is a little tired of changing cities every year. Plus, Raptors playing in Toronto next year is not a lock as Delta Variant numbers rise.




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27 Jan 2022 12:46:20
And Toronto is not giving a first to dump him. Raptors hope is to get something minor back for him that doesn't add future payroll. if that isn't available by the deadline they'll buy him out.




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27 Jan 2022 12:43:46
I don't think the Blazers are going to add 8M plus the tax they'd be paying to the payroll. I would expect that either Nurkic or Covington getting dumped for a future pick to get under the tax line is more likely.




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27 Jan 2022 03:08:45
I think there's a lot more backchannel communication between agents and execs than we realize. i think morey has a secret network of spies in every organization and every agency. i don't like the guy, but have a grudging respect for what he's been able to pull off in past deals. never underestimate him.




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26 Jan 2022 17:17:43
Dude your trades are starting to look like ringring's.




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26 Jan 2022 17:13:24
Bobby hangs up and doesn't even bother telling Masai about this one. unless he needs to Masai laugh.





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