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03 Feb 2020 12:40:31
4 team deal

Cleveland gets Andrew Wiggins and future 1st from Houston
Atlanta gets Clint Capela and PJ Tucker
Houston gets Robert Covington and Gorgui Dieng
Minnesota gets Evan Turner, Alex Len, Kevin Huerter, Brandon Knight, and John Henson

Cleveland gets a 1st for taking a chance on Wiggins
Atlanta gets the big they want to pair with Collins in the front court and a veteran forward to help mentor their young players
Houston gets a great 3 and D wing and a center who can play some D and make 3s
Minnesota gets a young player in Huerter while clearing cap space.

carl006

1.) 03 Feb 2020 13:27:41
Cavs ok but would prefer the Houston pick go to Minnesota and Cavs have option to swap first with Minnesota once in next two years otherwise a second.


2.) 03 Feb 2020 13:52:35
cards. How about Minnesota gets Houston's 1st, and Cleveland gets a 2020 swap option with Minnesota. If Minnesota ends up with a higher pick, Cleveland can swap with Minnesota. That way, Cleveland get a better first and Minnesota still has a top 10 pick.


3.) 03 Feb 2020 19:02:43
atlanta not giving up nearly enough.


4.) 03 Feb 2020 21:38:49
Atlanta gives Brooklyn pick to wolves.


5.) 03 Feb 2020 22:51:48
Minnesota hangs up the phone laughing. They'll probably move Covington and Dieng for D'Angelo Russell.


 

 

31 Jan 2020 14:02:33
Three team trade. Minnesota starts over.

Atlanta gets Towns and Covington
Cleveland gets Wiggins and Brooklyn's 2020 1st
Minnesota gets Collins, Hunter, Heurter, and Atlanta's 2020 and 2022 1st round picks.

carl006

1.) 31 Jan 2020 15:22:44
What does Cleveland give?


2.) 31 Jan 2020 15:46:37
Sorry. Cleveland gives Knight and Henson.


3.) 31 Jan 2020 16:36:01
Minnesota is not starting over.


 

 

30 Jan 2020 13:49:28
Orlando and Minnesota:

Wiggins and Okogie for Gordon and Ross. Plus, Orlando gets a pick swap of the 2020 1st round picks.

carl006

1.) 30 Jan 2020 17:45:50
Love it for the magic. Hate it for wolves.


 

 

27 Jan 2020 14:10:08
Couple of ideas for Covington to the Clippers.

trade 1:

Clippers get Covinton
Hornets get Wiggins, Shamet, Dieng, and Clippers 1st round pick
Timberwolves get MKG, Harkless, Biyombo, and Williams

trade 2:

Clippers get Covington
Cavaliers get Wiggins, Shamet, and Clippers 2020 1st round pick
Timberwolves get Harkless, Knight, and Henson

Basically Timberwolves use assets they get for Covington to move Wiggins. Clippers get Covington to improve the team. The Hornets or Cavs get a good young player and 1st round pick for taking Wiggins. And Timberwolves build around Towns with a fresh cap situation.

carl006

1.) 27 Jan 2020 15:36:53
Also, keep in mind that Covington is extremely valuable to MIN. Offensively, he is a decent and willing three point shooter - even at 36%, he is one of the best on the team. He is needed for the system to work, and Rosas to evaluate his talent going forward.

Defensively, Covington is critical. We saw last month that the system works. When Towns was out, and Dieng was replacing him, the Wolves were 3rd in DRtg, and Covington was #1 inDRtg, even as a PF. The key to MIN Improving is Towns, and the key to Towns is defense, the reason MIN is so bad is that Towns doesn’t stay in system, and wants to pursue, leaving the team trying to cover for him, for Towns to improve, he needs a partner who he trusts and who makes good decisions. Covington is his best friend on the team, and I think if he was traded, KAT would never adopt Vanterpool’s defensive system,


2.) 27 Jan 2020 15:57:56
nice trades if you're a Clippers fan. I don't think the Wolves management has this kind of love for Steve Ballmer though. maybe there's a side deal for a couple of billion on the QT. no way Minnesota does this deal.


3.) 27 Jan 2020 17:21:24
I would prefer to see what the Wolves can do with Wiggins, once they get the right personnel to run their eventual systems.

Offensively, we saw at the beginning of the season how good Wiggins can be in a 5-out, he can easily beat his man, and then there is no opposition for him to get to the rim, to score or dish. However when opponents saw how bad MIN shoots (3rd in 3PA, last in 3P%), they just clogged the middle. With the right personnel next year that can shoot three’s, Wiggins can be better.

Defensively, Wiggins has taken a big step this year. His personal defensive coach is Vanterpool, and we all know how he took Lillard from a horrible defender to an OK one.


4.) 27 Jan 2020 16:58:22
I think the Cavs would do that in a heart beat.


5.) 27 Jan 2020 19:40:58
i don't why, but I think Covington is won best valued players based on talent as 2 way player 3-d and his contract. I value him bc of that over pillsbury dough boy at center. wow Embiid choked him out again. lmao.


 

 

23 Jan 2020 21:07:50
Mavs get Covington
Wolves get Delon Wright, Dorlan Finney-Smith, and Warriors 2020 2nd round pick.

carl006

1.) 23 Jan 2020 21:42:28
Not enough.


2.) 24 Jan 2020 12:38:40
What are you expecting to get for Covington?


3.) 25 Jan 2020 02:22:28
A first and decent young guy matching contracts. Covington is cheap and fits any team by shooting and playing great defense. He is today’s Iggy.


 

 

 

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18 Dec 2019 14:22:02
Holiday to Minnesota

Teague, Culver, future unprotected 1st round pick, and 2 future 2nd round picks to New Orleans.

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01 Jul 2018 16:30:41
Now that Minnesota has re-signed Rose, I think they should do the same with Bjelica.

And as much as I would like for them to move Wiggins, I just don't see it happening.

One free agent I would like them to bring in is James Ennis. More of a 3 who can also play small ball 4, would be a nice addition for the Wolves.

Drafting Okogie and KBD, re-signing Rose and Bjelica, and bringing in Ennis would go a long way to improving Minnesota's bench.

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30 Apr 2018 15:20:57
What do you think is a realistic trade for Andrew Wiggins? I know he probably has some value, given his age and potential upside that is still there. But his contract and lack of improvement have hurt him. But he has proven that he can be a lead scorer and sometimes plays good defense.

A few teams that he could be traded to:

Miami, but only as part of a complex three or more team trade
Charlotte, maybe in a swap for Batum, since they have equally bad contracts, but Charlotte would have to offer Minnesota something because of Batum's injury concern.
New York, they are always looking for a star type player, and Wiggins, even with his issues, is close to a star level player.
Brooklyn, would give them a ready made lead scorer and young talent, since they have not had their top pick for 3 years and have missed out on a lot of top level young talent
Orlando, both Wiggins and Orlando might need a fresh start
Sacramento, they could use a go to scorer and Wiggins can be that


What do you think?

carl006

1.) 30 Apr 2018 15:51:37
I think it might be hard for Minnesota to get equal value back for him, but teams that could make some sense imo are Detroit, Miami, New Orleans, Indy, and Portland.

Detroit could offer Griffin or find a 3 way trade for Drummond.
Miami could offer something like Winslow, Richardson and Olynyk.
New Orleans could offer Hill, Mirotic and maybe some combination of picks and younger players.
Indy could offer some cap savings, picks and role players.
Portland could offer McCollum, but would probably need more back than just Wiggins.


2.) 01 May 2018 00:55:40
How about just hold on to him and fire thibedou then trade jimmy for a 3 point shooter and a pick cause jimmy is not staying in Minnesota and if he does that team is a first round exit every time but if you trade Wiggins what incentive does kat have to stay. butler for Mccollum something along that.


 

 

17 May 2017 14:37:00
If Minnesota wanted to trade Wiggins, how high of a pick to you think they could get in this years draft?

carl006

1.) 17 May 2017 14:46:44
1st overall plus more.


2.) 17 May 2017 17:23:54
Um. no rkenne. just no.

Wiggins is starting to look like far less than what people made him out to be. The problem is, while he is a pretty solid scorer, at this point, that appears to be it. He is actually a negative on the defensive end. He doesn't rebound particularly well and he isn't much of a passer.

And he is already completed his third year. I don't know how much more complete of a player he will become. If he was in this draft and you knew this is where he would be after year 3, I see him going 3-7.

Absolutely not worth the 1st overall and more. Just stop.


3.) 17 May 2017 22:56:47
Wiggins hasn't been and doesn't project to be the heir to Lebron like some projected him to be coming out of Kansas and has been considerably worse on the defensive end than many thought but dude is still only 22 and one of the top prospects in the league. He has been extremely healthy (playing in all but one game in his first 3 years) and has scored over 20 ppg his past two seasons. He also made a big jump this past season improving his 3pt % from 30% to a respectable 35.6%. Issue is he doesn't do much else besides scoring with only 4 double doubles in his entire career.

I see no reason why Twolves would want to trade Wiggins for a pick in this years draft but for point of reference Jackson has been heavily compared to him and many regard him as 2nd or 3rd best prospect in the draft. You have to factor in the unknown factor (Jackson could be better than expected or much worse than expected) and the contract situation as well as the adjustment period and age in the value. If Wiggins was in this draft I think he'd be minimally #4 pick and maybe as high as #2 behind Fultz due to the increasing importance of point guards and shooters in today's game.

However, for it to make sense for Twolves to trade him they'd want #1 plus more since Twolves already have a promising team and with KAT they don't need Wiggins to be the next Lebron for them to be successful. There is always the risk that whomever they trade him for is not as good (Wiggins has been pretty darn good thus far) or worst a complete bust so they'd have to be compensated for that.

I'm not sure Celtics would be willing to do that (although maybe they would since Wiggins could help them to win right now and still keep the future bright while Fultz it remains to be seen if he can have an immediate impact) .


 

 

13 Apr 2017 15:45:04
Timberwolves off season.

Pek takes a medical retirement so his salary doesn't count for next year.
Waive Jordan Hill and his non guaranteed contract for next year.
Let Rush, Muhammad, Payne, and Casspi leave via free agency.

Trade Andrew Wiggins, Cole Aldrich, and no 6 (or 7) pick to Chicago for Jimmy Butler and 15 (or 16) pick.

Sign Serge Ibaka to a max deal and Andre Roberson to a deal.

Rubio/ Jones
LaVine/ Dunn
Butler/ Roberson
Ibaka/ Bjelica
Towns/ Deing.

carl006

1.) 13 Apr 2017 16:46:12
The rest of the core fits wiggins time line. His ceiling is probably higher than Butler's. I'm not sure if they trade Wiggins for Butler straight up let alone adding the pick.


2.) 14 Apr 2017 01:14:13
Trading Wiggins for Butler could make some sense but I wouldn't give up Twolves pick too (I don't think Bulls pick justifies it since big drop-off in talent after 11 imo) . I'd swap LaVine in for Wiggins and potentially do this trade. I believe Bulls wanted LaVine and pick that end up as Dunn for Butler last summer so maybe it could work. Losing LaVine's shooting will hurt a lot tho especially with Rubio and Dunn both poor 3pt shooters although Wiggins improved to a respectable 36% this season. I could see Thibs however pushing hard to get his man Butler back.

If I'm Twolves I'd probably just stick with what they have especially when Issac or worst case Markkanen will be available with their lotto pick. Issac would be a scary pf on the team with his versatility and ability to stretch the floor and play defense.


 

 

 

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22 May 2020 19:20:21
OnTop26 - Not to mention, Oladipo would be a free agent in 2021.

Trading that many young assets for what could be a one year rental is a mistake, in my opinion.

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20 May 2020 12:39:26
Dlb731 - Covington was miscast as a PF. He should be defending wing players.

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19 May 2020 21:46:33
Collins is also a RFA in 2021 and will probably want close to a max contract, if not a max contract.

No way Minnesota can work that out, with Towns and Russell already on max deals and needing to pay Beasley.

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05 May 2020 20:18:17
I'd rather have VanVleet than Booker.

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24 Apr 2020 20:59:34
And the Wolves do that deal why?

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