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13 Aug 2019 23:56:06
Miami / Thunder trade

Miami gets Schroeder, Gallinari & Denver's 2020 1sr Rnd pick

Okc gets Dragic, Johnson & Herro

Schroeder is an upgrade on Dragic and doesn't have the injury history.
Gallinari should be an all star playing in the East & he said he'd sign for less in 2021 with a team that is a legitimate contender.

It's a talent shift from one team to the other, the salaries equal each other out & Miami gets a 1st Rndr to use as an asset.

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1.) 14 Aug 2019 11:27:54
Schroeder is a downgrade from Dragic.


2.) 14 Aug 2019 12:19:43
Miami is not giving up Herro.


3.) 14 Aug 2019 15:31:00
I guess Schroeder is a downgrade. I looked at their stats and they’re pretty much identical, except he’s 8 years younger and didn’t sit out 1/ 2 the season last year.
But I get it, that doesn’t guarantee he’ll have a similar year this year.

As far as Herro goes, I wouldn’t give him up either, but people are always going to ask.

I saw the Heat’s schedule come out this week, they should be good to make the playoffs with what they got this year.
I would just be patient and wait until next year to make the necessary moves to get someone else to play with Butler.


 

 

08 Aug 2019 19:10:32
Completely off the wall, this will not happen because of salaries and legth of contracts,
But putting those factors off to the side.

Are the Knicks a better team next year and possibly in the playoffs if they send to Okc:

Portis
Gibson
Ellington
Payton
Bullock

Thunder send back to NY:

CP3
Gallinari
Noel
Denver 2020 1st Rnd pick

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28 Jul 2019 06:09:58
Washington gets - Paul, Winslow, Olynyk, Miami 2020 & 2022 1st rd, & Okc 2020 2nd Rd
Wash. gains 3 mil in salary

Miami gets - Beal, Wall & Denver 2020 1st (via Okc) + Miami 1st rd 2021 & 2023 (via Okc)
Miami saves 2 1/2 mil in salary

Okc gets - Dragic, Johnson, Herro & Miami 2024 1st rd
Okc saves 1/2 mil in salary

If Miami is serious about getting Beal, are they willing to take on Wall as well? If so they are going to have to find some draft picks and young assets to offer in addition to that before other teams get involved on Dec 15th.

In this trade scenario, Miami is able to disperse their undesirable contracts among 2 teams.
They gain a small bit of salary relief.
They're still able to hold onto Adebayo.
And they gain access to 1st rd draft picks to offer Washington in order to get Beal because Okc gave them back their own 2 1st rounders, which is why they give Okc their 2024 1st rd

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1.) 28 Jul 2019 13:27:26
Seems like Washington is giving up Beal to unload Wall, but is taking on Paul.


2.) 29 Jul 2019 02:22:40
Freeman, that is absolutely correct, but Paul is the same price on a shorter contract.

He also is a serviceable player that has the ability to play this year and the next. He’s a 9 time All-Star that can still score 20 points, get 10 assist and hit the 3.

Wall is going to try to come back from an injury that has been often a career ending injury or has greatly altered the players effectiveness.

Washington would trade for Paul in a straightup deal in a heartbeat if Okc said they would be willing to do it and Washington did not have to give up anything else.


 

 

24 Jul 2019 03:35:25
Keep in mind, this is in response to the Miami Heat report of pursuing Bradley Beal and being willing to take on John Wall's contract, but they don't want to lose all/any of their young assets(theres no way they could get the $$$ to work and get Washington willing to take the bad contracts)

3 team trade:

Okc sends - Chris Paul and a 2020 2nd to Washington - send both of Miami's 1st rd picks(2021 & 2023) back to Miami
Okc receives - Dragic, Johnson & Herro plus Miami's 2024 1st rd pick

Washington sends - Bradley Beal & John Wall to Miami
Washington receives - Chris Paul, Justice Winslow, Olynyk plus Miami's 2020 & 2022 1st rd picks plus Okc 2020 2nd rd pick

Miami sends - Justice Winslow & Olynyk plus 2020 & 2022 1st rd to Washington - send Dragic, Johnson & Herro to Okc

Miami is able to get rid of all their bad/undesirable contracts and is able to still keep Adebayo. There is no way they could offer Washington a deal on their own that wasn't all of these same bad contracts as well as probably all of their young assets since they have no draft capital to offer. They also save 2 1/2 million in salary

Washington gets rid of the Wall contract by getting a player with the same money but on a shorter number of years that is physically able to play right now(Chris Paul). In addition, they receive 2 1st rd picks, a 2nd rd pick and a young asset in Winslow. They gain about 3 million in salary

Okc unloads Chris Paul, they get the young asset they wanted from Miami in Herro and by giving Miami back their 2 1st, it opened up the ability for Miami to offer them to Washington in the deal. As a result Okc gets Miami's 2024 1st back. Okc saves about 1/2 million in salary.

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10 Aug 2018 02:07:08
Thunder & Nuggets

Okc gets Juan Hernangomez PF

Denver gets Nader SF/ SG and cash considerations

Denver has 5 players at Power Forward,3 at Small Forward and 2 at Shooring Guard

OKC has 4 Shooting Guards, 4 Small Forwards and 2 Power Forwards

This is a small trade that can be mutually beneficial on both teams helping both teams alleviate log jams at certain positions with young and unproven talent that is buried deep on their team's bench this year.

Also just an FYI,
Presti is going to keep that 15th spot open after he waives Singler for most of the season for salary and flexibility reasons unless he finds a deal that he can't refuse

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31 Jul 2019 02:19:47
I keep trying to figure out a trade for Okc and Miami or
Okc, Miami and Washington
All centering on moving Chris Paul.

But given the parameters Riley has put on it for Miami & what Washington is going to ask for to trade Beal in a 3 team trade & what Okc is not willing to trade away...

My only conclusion is that Okc is going to be much better off keeping Paul until a team feels like they NEED him to help their playoff team. That may not happen this year (or even ever) which is Ok, because Okc can afford to have him on their salary and be able to get under the luxery and still have all 15 draft picks to help make the team better, rather than to use them to dump salary.

Okc has about 40 mil in salary coming off the books the following year in expiring or option contracts, so they will be under the salary cap even while still carrying Paul, Schroeder & Adams on the team.

It's an unusual situation because Paul knows he's on the trading block, the entire team knows he's on the trading block, all other teams know he's availabke and everyone is fine with it.
Paul will need to go out and be a professional and put out his best product on the floor as well as be a good locker room guy, otherwise he knows NO team will ever trade for him. The better the team does under his leadership, the better his appeal will be.

I'm hoping the best for all teams this upcoming season, but if anyone thinks they may NEED or want an Okc player this upcoming season, just know that Presti will not consider a deal that does not lower their salary, brings them draft picks or acquires them some young desirable assets.
Otherwise they have no need to make any trade this season, they are not competing for the playoffs this upcoming year and they already have a competitive team to put out on the floor this upcoming season.

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1.) 31 Jul 2019 05:17:19
I am more interested in seeing how Chris Paul reacts to being on a non-playoff team that is starting a rebuild. I don't think he retires, but I don't think he will be the most positive influence on the young players either.


2.) 31 Jul 2019 07:21:24
Also, I think there might be another team that may take Paul. However, they would probably only send $30 mil in salary back. Is that $10 mil saving in salary (plus what would be paid in luxury tax) be worth say Denver's 2020 first rounder?


3.) 31 Jul 2019 14:03:52
Yeah, I don’t think Chris Paul is a good teammate at the best of times. He’s a bit like Kobe, just insufferable dicks. It’s going to get ugly when they’re 15 games under .500.


 

 

 

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08 Sep 2019 07:46:31
Magsnusarn, I’m legitimately asking you this question.
Are the Thunder involved in this trade simply to get a potentially better 2020 1st Rnd draft pick than the Denver protected?
Because otherwise, the players are almost the same contracts and amount of time, except Okc is trading for worse players.
Seems like a lot of work to maybe move up a couple of spots in the draft.

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02 Sep 2019 21:20:33
Let’s just say that Lebron doesn’t even come close to being respected by Lakers fans like Kobe still is, which is where he has chosen to play, which when you kind of look at that, he kind of is in Kobe’s shadow.

Kobe has helped bring 5 NBA Championships to LA, Lebron can’t even help them get into the playoffs. That feels kind of like a shadow.

Did I say 5 Championhips?
That’s right, Lebron’s only got 3.
Some might think that’s a shadow.

Now some may point to Lebron’s MVP’s and weak Eastern Conference finals appearances as Lebron’s challenge to Kobe.

I guess it really just comes down to what Lebron feels in his own insecurities as to whether he is or isn’t in anyone’s shadow. Not what we fans necessarily want to debate.

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31 Aug 2019 19:39:16
Just a quick update, Lebron won’t be the only player with championships on 3 teams.
John Salley did it 1st and Robert Horry did it right after him.

The next player that will join those elite 2 will be Kawhi Leonard. The only way Lebron achieves that goal will be if he starts ring chasing and joining another team into his 40’s (which he will probably do feeling the shadow of Kobe & Jordan over him). The Clippers will keep the Lakeshow at bay for the rest of his contract there.

Finally, did anyone else notice that in this trade scenario, Shizzee has Kobe coming out of retirement and to help Lebron win another championship???
I don’t know why he would stop there, we could easily get Shaq to come down from the broadcast booth to join this “likely” team.
I heard Magic & Kareem might want in on this Ring chasing team too.

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25 Aug 2019 22:50:00
Come on Fredman, you know they were talking about trading the players now and promising to give them their 1st Rnd player on the day of the draft.

The only way Miami has any kind of draft asset to offer anyone until 2025.

Just say you didn’t like the trade.

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25 Aug 2019 22:40:33
Too funny.

Detroit is definitely not better for this trade and reuniting Paul & Griffin will make Okc the site of a massive implosion.
Paul already doesn’t want to be in Okc, so the dysfunction around a team he doesn’t want to be on, with a teammate that he does not want to play with, would make the meltdown legendary.

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