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20 Jul 2017 11:59:05
TOR/HOU/NY/BKN

TOR acquire Ryan Anderson , 2nd from NY & 2nd from BKN
- provide more spacing on the floor & Ibaka could play the 5

Pg Lowry/Wright/VanVleet
Sg Derozan/Powell
Sf Miles/Anouby
Pf Anderson/Siakam
Ce Ibaka/Noguierra/Poeltl

HOU get Carmelo Anthony & Spencer Dinwiddie

Pg Paul/Dinwiddie/Brown
Sg Harden/Gordon
Sf Anthony/Tucker
Pf Mbah Moute/Nene
Ce Capela/Hartenstein/Qi

NY get Jeremy Lin , Trevor Ariza (exp) , Trevor Booker (exp) & TOR 1st round pick (lottery protected)

Pg Lin/Nkitilina/Baker
Sg Lee/Hardaway Jr
Sf Ariza/Thomas/Kuzminkas
Pf Porzingis/Booker/Oquinn
Ce Hernangomez/Noah

BKN get 1st round pick from HOU , Jonas Valanciunas & Bruno Caboclo

Pg Russell/Whitehead
Sg LeVert/Kilpatrick/McDaniels
Sf Carroll/RHJ
Pf Nicholson/Acy
Ce Valanciunas/Mozgov

20 Jul 2017 16:44:47
If i'm houston i'm not giving up ariza, a person who will have assignments like kd and kawhi and he will feast off three's from cp3 and harden. And i'm not giving up anderson, a person who will also feast off passes from cp3 and harden. Rockers were good because they had a whole lot of 3 point snipers. I say those snipers aren't worth getting melo for. If u get melo u have 3 ball dominant players in cp3 harden and melo (a ball stopper) . Mike dantoni's system favors one ball handler (they already have 2) then a penetration and kick offense.

19 Jul 2017 10:49:16
TOR/SA/DET

TOR get LaMarcus Aldridge

Pg Lowry
Sg Derozan
Sf Miles
Pf Aldridge
Ce Ibaka

SA get Andre Drummond & Bruno Caboclo

Pg Mills
Sg Kawhi
Sf Gay
Pf Gasol
Ce Drummond

DET get Jonas Valanciunas , Norman Powell , Danny Green , 2018 1st round pick from TOR & SAS

Pg Jackson
Sg Bradley
Sf Green
Pf Harris
Ce Valanciunas

19 Jul 2017 11:58:12
Just cut out Detroit and maybe Spurs can keep their pick and Green.

19 Jul 2017 12:06:10
Don't want Val in San Antonio, and knowing that LMA does not want to play centre (told the Spurs that when he signed, this makes no sense for the Raptors who just resigned Ibaka.

I think if you were going to cut a team out, it would be SA.

20 Jul 2017 19:46:49
pistons won't trade drummond for some role players that keep them from getting a high pick, if they trade drummond they need to get a high draft pick or a solid young player.

19 Jul 2017 03:42:15
WAS-NYK-CLE-TOR

NYK
* SF Stanley Johnson
* PG Reggie Jackson
* SG Iman Shumpert
* TOR 1st round draft pick

PG Jackson , Nkitilina , Baker
SG Hardaway , Thomas
SF Shumpert , Johnson
PF Porzingis , Oquinn , Kuzminkas
CE Hernangomez , Noah

DET
* PF Kevin Love
* CE Jonas Valanciunas

PG Smith , Galloway , Gbinje
SG Bradley , Kennard
SF Harris , Bullock
PF Love , Leuer , Ellenson
CE Valanciunas , Marjanovic

CLE
* CE Andre Drummond
* SF Carmelo Anthony
* SG Courtney Lee

PG Irving , Calderon , Felder
SG Lee , Smith
SF James , Korver , Osman
PF Anthony , Green , Frye
CE Drummond , Tavares

TOR
* PF Tristan Thompson

PG Lowry , Wright , VanVleet
SG Derozan , Powell
SF Miles , Caboclo
PF Thompson , Siakam
CE Ibaka , Noguierra

19 Jul 2017 05:44:28
Detroit isn't doing that it makes now sense to have love and val both scoring big men.

19 Jul 2017 01:21:15
Raptors-Hawks-Nuggets-Suns

Raptors get K.Faried & 2nd round pick from Suns

Lowry
Derozan
Miles
Faried
Ibaka

Hawks get J.Valanciunas , B.Knight & 1st round pick from Nuggets

Knight
Bazemore
Prince
Ilyasova
Valanciunas

Nuggets get E.Bledsoe

Bledsoe
Murray
Chandler
Millsap
Jokic

Suns get D.Shroeder & W.Barton

Shroeder
Booker
Jackson
Chriss
Bender

19 Jul 2017 04:40:16
Yeah that's a big NO from Atlanta. They are not going to trade their best player for two players nobody wants and a a pick in the mid teens.

18 Jul 2017 19:10:48
The 76ers get Crabbe and Toronto 2018 pick via Brooklyn

The Pistons get Harkless, Nurkic, 2018 Portland 1st and 2 2nds from Philly

The Trail Blazers get Drummond

The Nets get Okafor and Leonard

The 76ers get rid of Okafor for a 1st and a sg who could provide depth this year and take over for Reddick next year

The Pistons get to retool. Harkless and Nurkic are both solid young players and they get a few picks to play with.

The Nets get 2 solid young players for what will likely be a late first. They get to buy fairly low on two players that have some potential.

18 Jul 2017 19:52:54
The Trailblazers shed salary and get a big who could turn into a legitimate 3rd allstar and defensive anchore for them.

18 Jul 2017 20:12:36
Portland is way too high on Nurkic to come anywhere near that. I think Portland values him as high (or higher) than Detroit values Drummond.

18 Jul 2017 20:25:55
Two issues here, first, the sixers aren't getting rid of okafor and snagging both a 1st round pick and crabbe, who is an actual quality SG, albeit on an expensive contract.

Second, did you really just say drummond will be the defensive anchor for the blazers?

While with Portland, Nurkik was incredibly positive on both ends of the court. Seriously. his on/ off with Portland was incredible.

Drummond? His team was offensively a bit better with him off the court. however, defensively, Drummond was literally the worst center in the league. While on, Opponents had an offensive rating of 111, when off, 101. Seriously. hysterical. defensive anchor. what a nut.

19 Jul 2017 00:05:38
Drummond is a bad defender but unlike someone like Okafor I think he has the physical tools to be a good and borderline great defender. Although he is still quite young at only 23 he has spent 5 years in the NBA and hasn't really improved on the defensive end at all. That is alarming and likely due to his "lack of motivation" which caused him to slide to #9 in the draft but could also be due in part to coaching.

I was a fan of Portland getting him before they got Nurkic but after they got him and he played well for them I doubt they take the risk going after Drummond. I believe Drummond has a higher upside than Nurkic. One thing that could factor in however, is that Nurkic is in the final year of his contract and with Portland already in the luxury they may prefer a deal like this that would allow them to shed some salary for the future (as opposed to keeping Crabbe, Leonard and Harkless then having to give 15 mill+ to Nurkic in RFA) .

19 Jul 2017 14:12:44
Depending on what you look at, he has mixed reviews defensively. Looking up his real plus minus on defense, it has him at 29, but fox sports defensive ratings have him as the 4th overall defender (their ratings favor big men) . The truth is probably somewhere in between. He has the size, athleticism and raw abilities to be monster on the defensive end. He's a solid help defender, shot blocker, and defensive rebounder. If he can improve perimeter/ post defense he could be really good and he has the size, strength, and athleticism to do it. He has more upside than Nurkic.

18 Jul 2017 17:30:55
Knicks - Magic - Raptors - Rockets

Knicks gets:
Valenciunas
Hezonja
2020 1st Rockets (Top 10 protected)
Taylor (Waive)
Quartermann (Waive)
Long (Waive)
Onuako (Waive)

Magic gets:
Anderson
O'Quinn

Raptors gets:
Biyombo
Future 2nd Rockets

Rockets gets:
Anthony

18 Jul 2017 19:33:30
Magic and Raptors both turn that down.

19 Jul 2017 01:26:48
What NY do with 3 centers.

16 Jul 2017 04:26:35
Raptors send Jonas Valancuinas to Milwaukee for Greg Monroe and next year 2nd round pick.
Bucks get under the tax line and stabilize the 5 for 3 years. Raptors save 16M next year and the year after, clearing space for Norman Powell and who knows who else when LeBron leaves for LA

14 Jul 2017 20:41:58
Bulls trade Toronto

Toronto gets Lopez and j. Grant

Bulls get Jonas valancuinas and og anunoby

11 Jul 2017 21:34:55
Spurs-Pistons-Raptors


Spurs get Jonas Valunciunas, Stanley Johnson, and 2018 top 10 protected 1st (via Pistons)
-Get rid of Aldridge and acquire some youth who the team could help reach their full potential and ceiling

Pistons get Lamarcus Aldridge and Jakob Poeltl
-Gets a go to offensive scorer

Raptors get Tobias Harris and Michael Gbinije
-Moves Ibaka to Center and goes small ball.

11 Jul 2017 22:37:33
In my opinion JV and Harris should have similar value although I guess Harris' playstyle as a versatile forward is more useful in today's game than a offensive center. I imagine tho if Raptors dealt JV they'd want to keep Poeltl as a backup.

Move is alright for Spurs and Pistons but don't think its a great move for either especially the Spurs who should likely be focused on the present than a future focused move like this one. However, looking how well Kawhi developed in SA, Stanley Johnson a similar physical specimen could probably be turned into a solid contributor instead of the disappointment he was last year in Detroit.

12 Jul 2017 03:17:09
Toronto still has Nogueira.

11 Jul 2017 16:45:57
Pacers

Trade Thad Young to Suns for Chris/Ulis.
At deadline trade Bogdanovic to contender for 1st rounder and a expiring contract (maybe Raptors).
In the draft trade Pacers 2018 first and Leaf or Sabonis to move up.
At end of season or draft day trade Collison for 2nd rounder.
Flip the first rounder from the contender and Oladipo for a future second rounder (maybe Mavericks will take on his contract).
Trade Joesph and 2nd rounder to Nuggets for 2018 first.

All of this opens up cap space for free agency
Dante Exum 4y72m (Jazz won't match because hood and favors are free agents as well and to pay them all would send them way over the cap.)
Gary Harris 4y88m (Denver can create space to keep him so you have to sign him to a little more. But it's not a smart move for a team who needs to pay an elite point guard.)
Resign Robinson III
Sign Amir Johnson 2y24m (2nd year team option). Just to get some veteran leadership.
Sign Nick Young 2y14m (Need backup SF and an elite 3 point shooter.)
Sign Deron Williams 2y10m (2nd year team option.) More veteran mentoring.

Lineup.
Exum/Williams/Ulis
Harris/Stephenson
Robinson III/Young/Niang
Johnson/Chris/Sabonis or Leaf
Turner/Seraphin

Thoughts?

11 Jul 2017 17:25:54
Not sure what Suns would want with Young especially giving up promising young assets (especially Chriss who was there lotto pick that they traded up to get last year) to get him and his decently sized contract when they likely are a team building for the future.

I think Indy would be foolish to just dump Oladipo's contract especially when they aren't going to attract any significant FA. Why give up assets to get rid of him in order to overpay similar caliber FA (Exum and Harris neither project as potential stars but solid players) and older FA (Johnson, Young and Williams) . His contract is big and he didn't wow last season but he is still relatively young and will likely be Pacers 2nd best player.

I think Exum would be a much higher priority than Favors for the Jazz and with guys like Joe Johnson and Diaw coming off the books they may even be able to retain Favors depending on how he plays upcoming season.

Nuggets do need a point guard upgrade (I don't believe Joseph is much of an upgrade with Murray capable of running the show) and they will have a decision to make between Harris and Barton on who they want to pay so Harris could potentially be had but I'd say its more likely they let Barton go with the jump Harris made last season.

After all those moves the end result is fairly underwhelming and all the moves are slanted in the Pacers favor (some are possible but I doubt all happen) . Pacers should try and move Collison, Young and Bogdanovic if they can get any young assets/ draft picks for them. They should only trade Oladipo if they actually get assets in return (don't salary dump him) . Moving up in the draft would be a solid idea especially with Sabonis and Leaf kind of redundant and Pacers needing a star to pair with Turner (Porter or Doncic would be ideal case) . Then throwing money at younger FA (most likely restricted) isn't an awful option but it most likely won't yield much if anything. Don't think Pacers need to sign that high of caliber of veterans at this stage of their rebuild where they should be focused on getting their young guys minutes and trying to uncover hidden gems with guys who have spent a decent portion of their time in D-league, overseas and such. It'll be a long rebuild for them but priority should be to tank with the hopes of getting a top talent to pair with Turner who is a budding star.

11 Jul 2017 17:44:55
Agree with most of what Jaw said. I think the oddest thing you have here is flipping Olidipo and a 1st for a 2nd. Olidipo is a young solid two way starter. He's on a reasonable contract. He's a player with solid value.

11 Jul 2017 02:57:24
Suns-Nuggets-Raptors

Suns get J.Valanciunas & B.Caboclo
> get a young C who can grow with the team

Knight-Ulis
Booker-Caboclo-Dudley
Jackson-Warren
Chriss-Bender-Williams
Valanciunas-Chandler

Nuggets get E.Bledsoe
> upgrade at PG

Bledsoe-Nelson
Murray-Harris
Chandler-Barton-Hernangomez
Millsap-Faried-Arthur
Jokic-Plumlee

Raptors get T.Lyles , E.Mudiay & 2nd from DEN
> get a young players and save some money

Lowry-Mudiay-Wright
Derozan-Powell
Miles-FA
Lyles-Poeltl
Ibaka-Noguierra

11 Jul 2017 04:35:10
I don't see JV getting that kind of return. He can't play against teams that go small. He gets shredded on defense by small ball line ups. Look at the direction his minutes have gone in the playoffs.

11 Jul 2017 07:11:01
I understand Raptors are trying to move Valanciunas but I think Nuggets could just deal directly with Suns and it would probably be better for both. Suns could just resign Len who is a younger and similar caliber player to Valanciunas and I imagine he wouldn't cost too much more.

10 Jul 2017 02:59:43
Rest of Raptors Offseason

-Team will have to accept paying a little bit of luxury tax in order to seriously contend

-Finalize Cory Joseph for CJ Miles (sign and trade) deal

-Sign Luc Mbah a Moute 1yr 4.8m
-Sign Leandro Barbosa 1yr minimum

Lineup:
PG: Lowry, Wright, VanVleet
SG: DeRozan, Powell, Barbosa
SF: Miles, Caboclo, Anuonoby
PF: Ibaka, Moute, Siakam
C: Valunciunas, Nogueira, Poeltl.

10 Jul 2017 13:43:03
I don't think Raptors are seriously contending regardless (likely #3 in east but could see Wizards and Bucks potentially out performing them) . They would be wise to try and get below the luxury tax since although Mbah Moute is a solid defender who showed some 3pt range last year it'll be important they get under the tax since with the raises they are likely going to be stuck in it next season and they should try their best to avoid repeater tax.

09 Jul 2017 20:52:02
Celtics - Raptors

Toronto get Crowder and Jerebko

Boston get Valanciunas

Only work if Jerebko accept a 7m range s&t

09 Jul 2017 21:27:15
Celtics won't have the cap room for Val, and they probably don't want his contract which has 3 years on it and the last being a player option. His trade value isn't very high right now either, maybe a season or two ago but not now. Celtics just signed Aron Baynes minutes ago, helps with some depth at least, only a one year deal too.

09 Jul 2017 16:52:47
Boston trades: Jae Crowder

Toronto trade: Jakob Poeltl

*Might not be straight up like this to work and be fair to one side, but add a low value draft pick or other players in and I think you'll have two teams that can really help each other fill needs for this coming season.

09 Jul 2017 17:08:26
After the Bradley trade it looks like Crowder is off the market.

09 Jul 2017 17:13:59
They won't trade crowder which is why they traded Bradley.

09 Jul 2017 17:55:37
If Crowder is dealt now, it will be in a bigger deal to land a Marc Gasol type player and not a salary dump.

09 Jul 2017 18:38:54
Poetl is worth maybe a second-rounder.

09 Jul 2017 19:01:23
Celtics still could use a big man but I don't think Poetl at this stage of his career is their guy and don't think he is worth Crowder in the first place.

09 Jul 2017 19:53:04
Okay, then how about.

Boston trades: Crowder and Jackson

Toronto Trades: Poeltl and Powell

*Boston will get another guy who can play the 2, and get a cheap center who can play now and they can easily trade later due to him being on a rookie contract and still having some upside.

*Toronto needs some depth at point guard and Jackson has looked good, but isn't going to get time over Rozier. Crowder obviously fill an immediate need, but Toronto will still hold the leverage in a deal since Boston needs another big, though Boston could ask Philly for Okafor, not sure what they'd have to give up, but it might not be much.

09 Jul 2017 21:24:26
Celtics just signed Aron Baynes.

08 Jul 2017 23:17:36
Knicks - Raptors

Knicks gets:
Carroll
Poeltl

Raptors gets:
Lee
Kuzminskas

If Melo leaves Knicks have a hole at SF and Carroll can take some of them. Poeltl is the big piece for the Knicks in this trade and take on Carrolls contract to get him.

Raptors gets shooting in Lee and a backup PF in "Kuz". "Kuzminskas and Valanciunas are both from Lithuania and have some chemistry togheter.

09 Jul 2017 00:47:38
Not enough for Raptors. Clearing cap space doesn't help them that much right now and it really isn't even that much cap space with Lee coming back.

07 Jul 2017 05:14:28
Pacers Next Offseason
2017-18
Trade Thad Young and 2 Future 2nd rounders to Jazz for Exum and Mitchell
S&T Miles to Wizards for Oubre Jr. and future 1st
At deadline trade Jefferson (expiring contract) and future 1st for Zach Collins
(Optional)At deadline or after season flip Sabonis or Leaf to Raptors for OG Anuboy
18-19 Lineup
Exum/Stephenson
Oladipo/Mitchell
Robinson III/Anuboy/Oubre Jr.
Collins/Leaf
Turner/Ike A.
Team with Huge Upside
Later on if Mitchell, Oubre Jr., and Anuboy turn into starter talent flip Oladipo, Robinson III, and future 1st to clear Oladipo's bad contract.

Thoughts?

07 Jul 2017 09:35:05
All those deals are heavily favoring Pacers. I doubt Young and 2 2nds get you Exum or Mitchell by themselves let alone both of them. After Jazz lost Hayward they'd be wise to keep their two best young talent or at least get better value for them.

The sign and trade for Miles isn't as bad but I doubt Wizards do it especially since they are way over the cap and Miles would surely make more than Oubre's rookie deal so won't work financially.

Similarly Blazers are way over the cap and couldn't do the Jefferson for Collins trade, not that they would since its not great value on a guy you just traded up to get at #10.

Sabonis flip isn't bad value but Raptors would probably prefer Anunboy who can once healthy be a difference maker right away on the defensive end and has solid upside.

06 Jul 2017 17:59:10
Raptors knicks

Raptors get Melo and noah

Knicks get JV Carroll and Joesph and future first round pick


Raptors would have a score starting sf with DeRozan and Lowry and Ibaka this would be a good fit for the raptors

Knicks get a young center and a buy out in Carrol for next season and a starting Pg of the future


Raptors make a push for the championship against James and the cavs and Boston

Lowry/Wright/vanvleet
DeRozan/Powell
Melo/OG/cabocalo
Ibaka/siakam
poetle/Noah/Bebe

Then the raptors bring in another shooter in heslip

06 Jul 2017 10:26:21
Raptors trade Carroll, protected 1st round pick
Nuggets trade Lyles, Arthur


Lowry/Joseph/Wright/VanVleet
DeRozan/Muhammad/Powell
Powell/Muhammad/Caboclo/OGAnunoby
Ibaka/Lyles/Siakam
JV/Nogueira/Poeltl
- cap relief to sign wign, so you get 3 player = more depth
- with cap relief sign needed wing who can score with S.Muhammad to MLE (1y)
- add another canadian native with Lyles
-> still top4 contender in the east + develop Caboclo, Poeltl and Anunoby for 2018-19 season to still have a even higher ceiling


Nuggets:
Mudiay/Nelson/Murray
Harris/Murray/Barton/Beasley
Chandler/Carroll/Barton
Milsap/Faried/Hernangomez/Lydon
Jokic/Plumlee
- Nuggets lose talented PF Lyles, but PF is still overcrowded with talent so Nuggets can afford it
- add another first rounder + Carroll who can be a productive defensive bench player and asset if it comes to a trade

06 Jul 2017 12:15:48
Send Faried.

06 Jul 2017 12:45:43
Carroll isn't same player even defensively after his injury and his role reflects this as it declined as season went on (only 11 mins per game against Cavs) . With two years and over 30 mill left on his contract I think he is a negative asset and the first would have to be included just to move him. If Raptors wanted Lyles (a solid young stretch 4) and Arthur another stretch 4 type that can also play some defense (great replacement for Patterson) they'd have to give up more.

Nuggets definitely are a little crowded at pf and should make some moves to clear that up. They could also really use an upgrade at point guard since I think Murray will struggle there long term with his lack of athleticism and Mudiay is too raw. They need to make another move to ensure they make playoffs in a deep western conference.

05 Jul 2017 10:12:54
Nets: Okafor+ D Carroll

Philly: Nickolson+ 1rnd pick Tor 2018

Tor: N Stauskas+ Booker

05 Jul 2017 01:57:12
raptors dump - caroll and jv

sign - chris bosh
sign - vince carter

 
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