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16 Aug 2018 23:59:35

Raptors get Simmons/ Martin from Magic-Singler/ Patterson from Thunder (stretch or buyout both)

Thunder get Ibaka from Raptors/ Ross from Magic

Magic get Schroeder/ Abrines from Thunder

Raptors get solid wing player and a big guy with potential, save a little bit of money

Thunder get to clean their books a little bit, get a couple of players that would be more useful to them than what they are giving up, one with an expiring contract

Magic get the best player in the deal (apologies to Serge), a good young scoring pg which they lack and a backup 2.

16 Aug 2018 00:29:31
Raps and Celtics

Raptors send
Jonas Valanciunas, Fred Vanvleet, 2019 2nd, 2020 1st

Boston sends Kyrie Irving , 2nd round pick

Only If Boston thinks Irving will bolt ....

1 year rental for sure and a lot of money spent at the pg position . Irving or lowry can both play the 2 spot and with defenders like green , kawahi, Siakam , anunoby and hopefully Ibaka can be half the defender he used to be that side of the court should be fine .

Dynamic game changer like Irving raps can win us the east
Probably only have a 1 year window anyway, kawahi and Irving may both bolt but while we have the a player of this talent possibly for only 1 year go all in.

The raps first rounder in 2020 May be high if they both leave Also

For Irving I understand it's not enough but between injury issues , 1 year left, and u have other players that will be relegated to the bench for Irving and why upset them if he may leave a year later? Boston needs a true big and jv has decent range , great power , shoots ft pretty good and has stretches where he is really dominant .

Raps now have Monroe and Ibaka can play the 5.

Massai knows it's this year or bust

16 Aug 2018 01:25:20
I can't stand it. Lol
Why. WHY. would Boston help out their biggest rival to get to the finals.
They would let Irving walk before they would trade Irving to Toronto, even if it were for Leonard.

16 Aug 2018 02:21:23
Lmao C's fans are going to crucify you for this idea.

16 Aug 2018 02:22:59
Terrible for the Celtics and I don't think raps can trade 2020 having already traded 2019.

16 Aug 2018 03:35:28
The draft choices are worthless, Van Fleet probably doesn't crack Boston's rotation and Valanciunas is not the type of player the Celtics want. He might not even beat out Baynes. On top of that, Danny Ainge would be run out of town if he traded Irving to a team that might then have enough firepower to knock out the Celtics in a 7-game series.

16 Aug 2018 03:54:36
Not happening if Boston traded Kyrie it would be to the west.

16 Aug 2018 05:03:52
Irving for Melo is more fair.

16 Aug 2018 11:34:13
Irving for Melo is fair? What are you smoking?
Melo is lucky to be a top 50 player. There's a reason he's played on so many teams. he sucks.

16 Aug 2018 13:07:45
Ooh, I like Kyrie for Melo, though C’s might have to throw in a pick to get him.

Of course C’s don’t make this deal. Val is underrated, but Horford makes more sense for the way the C’s play at the 5, sending Val to the bench. It’s ridiculous to say Van Fleet doesn’t crack the rotation, but he becomes the backup to Rozier if this trade were to happen.

That effectively means two bench players, and two high picks for a team that’s already stocks with them. That equals a terrible return for Irving.

16 Aug 2018 16:43:47
You might get Kyrie Eleison for Melo Just not Kyrie Irving.

16 Aug 2018 23:59:39
Right supercollider. Let me guess. John walll. Lillard. Embiid. And Giannis wouldn’t crack this worlds greatest rotation.

Such a hyperbolic nut. The fact that you are talking up a backup center as if he’s this amazing thing goes to show. You are dillusional.

13 Aug 2018 08:47:14

TOR get Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Korver & Taj Gibson

Pg Lowry/VanVleet
Sg Wiggins/Korver
Sf Leonard/Miles
Pf Gibson/Anuonoby
Ce Valanciunas/Siakam

MIN get Kevin Love & Danny Green

Pg Teague/Jones
Sg Green/Rose
Sf Butler/Okogie
Pf Love/Tolliver/Patton
Ce Towns/Dieng

CLE get Norman Powell, Serge Ibaka & 1st from TOR & 2nd from MIN & TOR

Pg Sexton/Clarkson
Sg Hill/Nwaba/Smith
Sf Hood/Powell/Osman
Pf Nance/Dekker
Ce Ibaka/Thompson/Zizic

for TOR- If Kawhi leaves, they will still have Wiggins on their wing. contract wise, he is one year longer than Serge but they gain 2 expiring for Powell

for MIN- They get Love back, Wiggins seems like not a priority given that they might intend to keep Butler. The contract might be longer but they became more competitive especially with Danny Green helping their defense

for CLE- they do it if they are to continue rebuilding. They get young wing in Powell & some assets. Ibaka has shorter deal and can be used as trading chip too in the future

13 Aug 2018 13:32:40
Why for raps? If Kawhi leaves they can rebuild. Wiggins salary hurts cap space.

13 Aug 2018 20:07:11
I think it won't if they rebuild. They also lose Ibaka’s contract here. Wiggins is also relatively young and can be a part of the rebuild given that he is playing for his hometown he might actually be a better player there, like Oladipo for Indy.

13 Aug 2018 22:14:06
Take cleveland out.

Wiggens for Powell Ibaka

Nobody should suffer with Love but Cleveland.

13 Aug 2018 22:30:15
Wiggins is not a salary dump he is actually a pretty good player, he still averaged 17 Ppg with jimmy and kat sooo if Toronto loses kawhi wouldn’t they want a hometown kid?

13 Aug 2018 23:20:54
I kinda like it for Toronto, it hedges their bet for either contending or rebuilding. You either make Wiggins your #3 option, or you try him out as a #1 option. If he fails as a #1, then you likely get the #1 pick the next year, so win win.

12 Aug 2018 11:55:48
Mavs get Hayward Kanter C's 2019 1st
C's get Porzingis Mathews Hardaway Burke
Knicks get Irvings Yubesele Jordan
Ojeleye Kleber-cut

Mavs have solid starting 5 and key vets on bench to playoff run. Risk of taking on Hayward gets late 1st


Celtics might loose Irving to NY as it is. Hayward may never be the same player. Clearing out of his contract is a safe risk. Porzingis might put C's as a legitimate contender ahead of the raptors and sixers. With out 2 more picks


Knicks loose their star unicorn to get better sooner without thinking of 2019 free agency or dump lee noah 2019 1st for Shumpert Randolph Koufos and purse fa next yr or This allows them to think 2020 free agency where they can be contender with additional 60 in cap space. Many options


12 Aug 2018 13:16:12
Not a chance that the Celtics move Irving and Hayward at all, never mind for that package. Ridiculous.

12 Aug 2018 14:25:02
Irving and Hayward are not going anywhere -- especially for a guy who might not even play until the All-Star break, if even that. Celtics are good at center with the Baynes/ Horford/ Theis mix. Mathews, Hardaway and Burke might not even be rotation players in Boston.

12 Aug 2018 15:45:19
I’d take Irving or Hayward over Porzingis. Both for him is ludicrous.

12 Aug 2018 17:00:29
Ok but when Irving leaves and Hayward not worth 35 mil per yr don't get mad at me. Irving already had 3 knee surgeries. Mathews clears you of Hayward. Hardaway will be worth Hayward for 1/ 2 the cost. Obviously, the trade won't happen Porzingis announce a December trade.

12 Aug 2018 18:51:13
Are you the only one that doesn’t realize that Hardaway isn’t all that good. He’s at best a player you can bring off the bench to get buckets and at worst a black hole that takes touches away from guys that can score far more efficiently. If you want a guy like that you could trade for one on a better contract. Rodney Hood is a more efficient version of that with more upside and he couldn’t even get an offer sheet. Comparing Hardaway to Hayward is ridiculous. There isn’t 1 area of the game Hardaway where Hardaway is more productive.

12 Aug 2018 19:04:37
Irving is not playing for the knicks next season. That franchise is still in rebuild mode. Porzingis is more likely to go to Boston than Irving to New York. Unless its Brooklyn we're talking about and other guys are going there to form the mythical super-team. Both scenarios are highly unlikely. 100:1 odds.

12 Aug 2018 19:07:58
I’m a bit confused as to your definition of efficient scoring. Hood shoots at a lower fg percentage.

You say more upside, but they have played the same amount.

Care to explain or is it just a homer comment?

Hardaway is paid too much. Simple as that. But the guy has a solid place in the league. More so a 6th man.

I do find it funny that supercollider is so dillusional he thinks that the 10th man on the Celtics is an all star level player. At least he must if he claims everyone would fail to be in their rotation.

I’m still curious why Celtics fans are so cocky about the team. You didn’t even make the finals. You’ll have excuses and reasons. But you accomplished the exact same as the suns. You didn’t win the conference. You didn’t win in the playoffs. Awesome.

12 Aug 2018 19:40:59
That's funny coming from a fan 9f a team that hasn't even sniffed the playoffs since Bernard king.

12 Aug 2018 19:51:30
Knicks, Hood gives you 1.18 points per shot compared to Hardaway giving you 1.14 pps. Shooting percentage is a pretty flimsy stats. Hood has 1 fewer years in the league, he’s bigger, and he’s a better shooter. It’s splitting hairs, but in the end they’re comparable players and Hood’s contract will end up being significantly less.

The point is Hardaway would be pretty hard to trade without taking bad money back or including assets. There was probably some exaggeration in there though after seeing Shizzee compare Hardaway to Hayward.

12 Aug 2018 20:26:01
Bigger star had just as bad injuries and never recovered fully (Grant Hill. )

12 Aug 2018 20:52:50
I’m fairly sure the doctors said there was minimal ligament damage and comparing an injury from 2 decades ago to now is pointless. Sports medicine is miles ahead of where it was at that point.

13 Aug 2018 04:33:55
Irving and Jordan are both free agents next year and can possibly leave so knicks trade there whole starting 5 for 2 players that are on 1 yr rentals? Lol makes no sense.

12 Aug 2018 04:56:01
Raptors trade - Wright and Powell
Raptors get - Simmons and Koufos

- Gets more cap space w the swap of Powell for Koufos exp contract. Gets a needed SG w Green being the only true SG

Magic trade - Simmons
Magic get - Wright

- Gets a good young PG who can become a good starter in a much needed position

Kings trade - Koufos
Kings get - Powell

- Kings won't get any good FA anytime soon so paying for a young player who fills a need at SF will be worth the trade

10 Aug 2018 18:22:44
Spurs get Whiteside, Winslow

Heat get Gasol, Mills, Toronto 2019 1st.

Spurs upgrade at center. add backup SF. They are officially out of 2019 free agent bloodbath.

Heat get rid of Whiteside (contract), backup PG which they don't have now. They have a shot at participating in 2019 free agency bloodbath if they buyout Gasol and trade Mills in offseason.

10 Aug 2018 19:14:03
Heat have waiters and dragic already.

10 Aug 2018 22:17:54
Waiters is not a point guard, he is starting SG. Mills can backup both guard positions.

11 Aug 2018 01:32:18
I still think the heat need more in return, or less patty mills.

07 Aug 2018 21:27:40
Spurs and Heat trade:

Spurs get Hassan Whiteside, Justise Winslow

Heat get: Pau Gasol, Patty Mills, Toronto 2019 1st pick (protected)

Both teams are capped out for 2019 free agency barring big moves, so this deal means they are set for two years.

Spurs get rebounder and rim protector and backup SF in Winslow on rookie deal. This deal would make SA contenders for the next two years.

Heat get rid of Whiteshide and his contract. Attitude problems stem from too many centers. Heat can concentrate on Olynick and Adabayo, Gasol can play PF and won't pout about playing time. Heat only have 1 PG on their roster. Mills is top tier backup PG. They also get Toronto's pick in 2019, unless they fold or Kawhi doesn't play.

08 Aug 2018 00:30:46
I think it is an ok deal could be better, but might could happen. I do t think the spurs would want Whiteside though. I don't think Whiteside and Aldridge in the locker room together would be a good idea.

08 Aug 2018 03:37:49
Spurs won't give that puck.

08 Aug 2018 12:04:32
I think pop would kick Whiteside to the kerbside no more trades happening with spurs.

08 Aug 2018 17:08:13
Thanks for the comments. I just have a few thoughts on your objections to this deal.

Spurs owe it to LMA to be competitive. This deal would be largely for his benefit. Spurs are not competitive with Gasol as starting center and Poeltl is not ready for that role yet. Aldridge is a quiet leader and would get along with just about anyone who helps the team. Whiteside's complaints with Heat are about playing time. He would get lot's of playing time at center with Spurs so he should be happy.

Whiteside just played with coach Messina in Africa and had great things to say about him. Pop would make the situation work, I disagree with the notion of kicking him to the kerbside.

Spurs will have two late 1st round picks next year and they still need to bring over euro-stash project Nicola Mulatinov. They don't need Toronto's pick unless they use it with their own pick to move up in the draft. Even then, they really don't need more youngsters right now.

I do agree that the Spurs don't like to make too many changes and they like the current roster. However, this deal would be too good to pass up and would make them competitive for the next two years. If they stay put, the Spurs will not be able to do anything in free agency next year to upgrade the team, because of Gasol and Mills contracts.

08 Aug 2018 18:24:56
wholly disagree this would make the spurs contenders.

07 Aug 2018 02:01:55
Bucks get a C, Raps clean up their books, Mavs use their cap space

Mavs receive: Zeller (Waive), '23 pick swap (Better), 2m cash (covers Zeller's salary)
Send: '23 pick swap (Worse)

Raptors receive: Henson, Delly, Wilson, Brown, '23 pick swap (Worse)
Send: Ibaka, Powell,'23 pick swap (Better), 2m cash

Bucks receive: Ibaka, Powell
Send: Henson, Delly, Wilson, Brown, Zeller

PG: Bledsoe, Brogdon
SG: Middleton, Powell
SF: Antetokounmpo, Snell
PF: Ilyasova, Maker
C: Ibaka, Lopez

08 Aug 2018 14:26:02
Raptors making a champ. run. They won't trade chewbaka.

03 Aug 2018 15:31:06

WITH- 3 team deal (Suns Raptors Wolves)

Suns-Trade T.J Warren Marquese Chriss
(Receive- Karl Anthony-Towns Alfonzo Mckinnie)

Raptors-Trade Kyle Lowry Alfonzo Mckinnie
(Receive- Jeff Teague Andrew Wiggins)

Wolves-Trade Kart Anthony-Towns Andrew Wiggins Jeff Teague
(Receive- T.J Warren Marquese Chriss Kyle Lowry Raptors and Suns picks)

Booker/ Knight
Jackson/ Daniels
Bridges/ Ariza
Towns/ Holmes
Ayton/ Chandler

Teague/ Vanvleet
Leonard/ Wright
Wiggins/ Green
Ibaka/ Siakam
Valanciunas/ Monroe

Lowry/ Jones
Butler/ Rose
Warren/ Crawford
Gibson/ Chriss
Dieng/ Tolliver

03 Aug 2018 15:51:09
I just don’t get any trade where Minnesota picks to trade Towns. Even if the Suns were to offer Ayton and Booker, I’m not sure they do it.

03 Aug 2018 17:32:25
Jackson and 1st should do it.

03 Aug 2018 18:52:52
How does Phoenix receive KAT while only giving up Warren and Chriss?

This is a terrible deal for them, big no from Wolves.

04 Aug 2018 00:52:46
You forgot to add booker and leonard to Minnesota.

03 Aug 2018 02:46:13
Thunder lack a solid backup SF and have several young players that can battle for the backup SG position Ferguson, TLC, Diallo so I think they should trade Alex Abrines using the TPE from Melo trade to get a solid SF for the bench. Most of the trades would make the luxury bill go up a lot but Thunder could cut, trade, or stretch Singler to make them cheaper and open a roster spot after the trade.

Thunder get Demarre Carroll
Nets get Abrines, 1 or 2 2nd

Thunder get Marvin Williams
Hornets get Abrines

Thunder get Korver
Cavs get Abrines, 1 or 2 2nd’s

Thunder get Bojan Bogdanovic
Pacers get Abrines, 1 or 2 2nd’s

Thunder get Josh Richardson
Heat get Abrines, 2 2 nd’s

Thunder get Tony Snell
Bucks get Abrines

Thunder get Courtney Lee
Knicks get Abrines, 1 2nd if needed

Thunder get Jonathan Simmons
Magic get Abrines 2 2nd’s

Thunder get CJ Miles
Raptors get Abrines, a 2nd if needed

Thunder get Garrett Temple
Grizzlies get Abrines, a 2nd if needed

Thunder get E'Twaun Moore
Pelicans get Abrines, 1 or 2 2nd’s

Thunder get Jae Crowder
Jazz get Abrines, 2 2nds

At trade deadline if Ariza won't sign with sun's next year
Thunder get Ariza
Suns get Abrines, 1 or 2 seconds

Give me your opinions. Will any of these work?

03 Aug 2018 05:24:03
Can't include a TPE with a player.

03 Aug 2018 06:13:48
Dang I didn't realize that. Well ignore all of those.

01 Aug 2018 19:54:04
San Antonio Spurs:
Kenneth Faried
DeMarre Carroll

Brooklyn Nets:
Patty Mills
Pau Gasol
pick Toronto.

01 Aug 2018 21:18:24
Nets targeting free agency. They have cap space for 3 maxed contracts next summer. Spurs want to hold on to their picks. If spurs want to dump salary and are in rebuilding time, they would use aldridge and derozan to dump gasol and mills.

31 Jul 2018 23:25:08
Two moves for thunder they only do the 2nd if the 1st works.
Use mid level exception make an offer for hood if he accepts and Cavs don't match they then make a trade. If this works trade with raptors.

Thunder Ibaka
Raptors Roberson and 1 or 2 2nd round picks

Raptors get rid of Ibaka's contract, and get solid back court defense. With Kawhi and Roberson they could defend any duo.

Thunder get Ibaka back. Have solid front court defense and a 4 that can hit the 3. They would be paying a lot in luxury tax again but they have said they are willing if they are a relevant team and doing this I believe they are still relevant and possibly better than they are now. I know thunder love Roberson but I think this helps them more.

After this buyout, trade, or stretch singler.
New line up

Westbrook/ Schroder/ Felton
Hood/ Abrines/ Diallo
George/ Ferguson/ TLC/ Nader
Ibaka/ Grant/ Patterson
Adams/ Noel/ Patterson

What do y'all think.

01 Aug 2018 02:31:08
Roberson is twice as good as Ibaka for half the price.

01 Aug 2018 16:11:07
Big wiz, roberson can't score, ibaka was an allstar, wtf are talking about.

01 Aug 2018 16:53:31
Ibaka was an allstar and has been worse each of the past few years. Roberson probably isn’t better, but I think most teams would take him for half the price over Ibaka.

01 Aug 2018 17:37:33
Kyle Korver was an all star too. So was Josh Smith. I wouldn't take either of them over Roberson.

I'm not a huge fan of either of these guys, but I definitely wouldn't trade Roberson for Ibaka.

27 Jul 2018 03:56:08
The Cavs get Powell, Anunoby, Mahimi, Oubre, 19 top 20 protected Wizards pick (converts to 2nds next year) and a lottery protected 2021 Raptors pick

The Raptors get Love, and Korver

The Wizards get Valancuinas

27 Jul 2018 04:58:03
Cavs fans are silly.

26 Jul 2018 19:31:49
The Spurs get Walker, Batum, and MKG

The Gasol(buyout), Gay(buyout), Mills, Burtans, the Toronto 19 1st and the Spurs 19 1st

26 Jul 2018 21:59:11
Your back to clevelands day trading players with multi yr left, expecting buyouts like it going to benefit your idea.

26 Jul 2018 22:20:39
They’d be going to an awful team. Gay has 1 year left on his deal and Gasol only has 7 million left after this season. Both would probably prefer being on a contender and still have something left to give to a good team. I’m sure Charlotte would be willing to buy them out and tank. Even if there isn’t a buy out of either guy, the Hornets save a ton of money.

26 Jul 2018 23:42:07
So my point made if they have to pay him why cut him. Let gasol request a buyout for less money, save money. You waste money. Bad GMing.

27 Jul 2018 02:11:50
I’m not a gm. I’m just stating that the circumstances would most likely end in both players being bought out. Both players can still help a contender, both players are
With the Spurs because they thought they’d be competing for a titlle and probably took less to do it, the Hornets really want to save money, and both players can probably recoup most of the money they lose In the buyout. It’s not about leverage if you both are working towards the same goal.

27 Jul 2018 17:33:12
Even if Gasol and Gay didn't get bought out, I think the Hornets could move them fairly easily. They're still vet role players that can produce. Trade deadline deals could get the Hornets at least younger players on similar contracts to take chances on. Or they could just play them, and waive them after next season.

I like the move for both teams. The Hornets get out of one of the worse contracts in the NBA and get a couple picks back. The Spurs get a really good PG, and a couple decent role players (even if they are overpaid) . I think Batum would be great in Pop's system.

One drawback is that Aldridge was rumored to HATE Batum. Portland traded Batum as a last attempt to try to convince Aldridge to return (among other reasons) .

29 Jul 2018 16:19:19
Rkeene- spurs will win 50 or more games. They did decent last year and they are adding DeRozan.

26 Jul 2018 17:23:23
Raptors/ Spurs trade:

To TOR - Derozan

To SAS - any combination of players to match salaries

Spurs and Raptors do this just so the rest of us are spared Demar’s whining. I appreciate that he feels “betrayed”, but now cancelling out of Basketball without Borders because it’s a Ujiri thing? Grow up a bit bud.

26 Jul 2018 18:09:51
You can't understand that he's genuinely upset and has to uproot his entire life? He is a person and not just a basketball player.

If you were forced to transfer from your dream job and location to somewhere you have no interest in living, how happy would you be? I'd be pretty pissed.

26 Jul 2018 21:20:06
Bmiller, I understand why he would be upset, and appreciate the ramifications of moving family, etc. With that said, I did not sign up to work for a company that can “forcefully” transfer me. Being dealt is part of being an athlete. Most athletes families don’t live in the city they play in either.

Now, let me put it back at you. You’re working for a company and you no longer want to work there, can you force your work to send you to a competitor ala Claw? What are the chances that I can openly negotiate with all of my current company’s major competitors openly without being fired? Every time a player plays the FA market and then decides to resign where they were, that is a luxury you and I would not be afforded.

I understand his anger, my point was he’s just gone on about it for far too long, and has now become petty with this Basketball without Borders thing. We all know you’re not happy Demar, now move on.

26 Jul 2018 21:24:32
Being traded is part of the risk NBA players take signing those huge contracts. They get paid way too much to play a game. It's just as ridiculous as Latrell Sprewell saying he couldn't afford to feed his kids on $10M a year. IMO suck it up or find another job.

26 Jul 2018 21:48:33
Especially since the Raptors told Rozen that he wasn't being traded, just days before the deal.
That said, pro sports are a business and things like that happen. So, there are two sides to it. I do feel for him.

27 Jul 2018 17:40:25
From a business perspective, it's not a competitor, it's a different section of the same company (the NBA) .

I can negotiate with a competitor without my current company finding out because I don't work in a public industry. I've done it, I've been offered a different job with better pay and benefits, and my current company wanted to retain me, so they matched those numbers. It's really common in businesses.

Being traded is part of the NBA, and I get that. Not saying that they shouldn't have traded him. But Toronto handled it incredibly poorly at every level. And Derozan should be given the benefit to be unhappy with the outcome. It's not like he's asking out of his contract or refusing to play, he's just short term pissed.

I think that Toronto might have shot themselves in the foot overall. Will a big time free agent want to go there with the way they handled this situation? I would drop them a bit on my "Free Agent Destination Power Rankings" after this.

23 Jul 2018 19:31:04
Magic get Zbo

Spurs get Demarre and Ross

Kings get Gasol and raptors first

Brooklyn gets Mills and Koufos

23 Jul 2018 21:20:08
I'd rather have Carroll than koufos and mills.

23 Jul 2018 23:40:00
Why do magic want a forward? All their young guys are forwards.

23 Jul 2018 07:29:20
The Bucks get Mcollum, Vucevic, Simmons, and Augustine

The Blazers get Fournier, Middleton, and Snell

The Magic get , Henson, Brogdon, Divincenzo, Turner, Simons, Swannigan, Gasol(buyout), Mills, Paul, Toronto's 2019 1st lottery protected via SA, Portland 2019 1st, Milwaukee's 2021 1st, 2 Spurs 2nds, and Blazers 2nd

The Spurs get Bledsoe(exp), Ross, (exp), and Henson

The Bucks get the perfect pg and C to complement GA. They replace Middleton's defense with Simmons, who was a great defender with the Spurs and get a pg that can shoot off the bench.

The Blazers get to dump Turners contract, they get a side kick in Middleton who complements Dame better, and they strengthen themselves on the wing, which seems like their biggest hole. Snell is a solid young 3 and d guy and Fournier can give them the scoring threat that they hadn't previously had there

The Magic cash in on all of their players of marginal value and take on bad contracts to get a good haul of picks and young players. They also add Brogdon, who is a young heady pg, and Mills, who's a decent veteran pg. both of these guys can help with the development of their young bigs. They can run the offense and get guys the ball in the right spaces.

The Spurs get a solid NBA starting pg, which they were missing the past few years and he may be able to get a little more out of him. He also gets a young talented wing in Ross, who hasn't ever been able to put it all together. Under Pop, he may very well be able to do that and that would be great for the Spurs since they're thin on the wing after letting Slomo walk and the Kawhi trade. Plus they get a shot blocker, which they've been missing since Duncan left. Ross and Bledsoe are both expiring and pop may be able to open up more if there is a chance at a star.

23 Jul 2018 08:04:55
This is so complicated it goes beyond believability. McCollum for Middleton is one thing but adding all the junk takes it out of this world. Lillard should go anyway. McCollum is the better player defensively and offensively. As a PG anyway. Better defensively no matter what position.

23 Jul 2018 14:04:27
I believe the Bucks would pass.

23 Jul 2018 14:08:14
I think middleton is as good as McCollum, or pretty close.

23 Jul 2018 18:45:25
Hi rkeene, Just a fyi. You have Henson going to the Magic AND Spurs?

23 Jul 2018 05:41:25
Spurs get Demarre

Nets get Gasol and Raptors first

Spurs get Ross

Magic get Paul and Mills

23 Jul 2018 08:10:19
Do the spurs land Carroll or ross?

23 Jul 2018 14:12:26
Obviously both lol. This guy wants the spurs to be the 2015 Raptors hahaha.

22 Jul 2018 19:53:10
Toronto gets Love

Washington gets Korver and Valancuinas

Cleveland gets Mahimi, Oubre, Richardson, the Raptors 2021 1st and a Wizards 2nd

22 Jul 2018 21:01:19
Salaries don't work. Switch Ibaka for Valancuinas and add Jason Smith going from Washington to Cleveland and it works.

22 Jul 2018 21:14:32
My bad I thought I put it through trade machine and had forgot to hit the button lol. I don't think the Wizards would have any interest in brining on Ibaka's big deal, but I found an easy fix

The Cavs also get CJ Miles and Toronto gets Jason Smith's expiring.

22 Jul 2018 17:39:35
Kevin love to Toronto for Danny green,felon Wright,pascal Siakam,Malachi Richardson,2021 1st top 10 protected

22 Jul 2018 21:05:40
Salaries don't work and it makes zero sense for the Raptors to trade away 3 of their top 5 defensive players.

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