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12 Nov 2017 22:02:42
Okafor + Return Nets 2018 2nd round pick (31-36)+ Rockets 2018 2ndround pick (55-60)
for Toronto 2018 1st round pick (18-22)

-Young offensive-oriented big former top 3 pick that still holds potential.
-Move up ten spots in upcoming draft while not giving up that much.

13 Nov 2017 18:48:01
Don't think the Nets are in a position to trade away first round picks.

10 Nov 2017 11:38:51
What is the worst trade since 2010 besides the Nets- Celtics trade.

1) OKC- Hou
Hou: Harden
OKC: Lamb+K Martin/ 1rnd pick ( S Adams)

2) Clippers- Cleveland
Clippers: M Williams
Cleveland: b Davis+ 1rnd pick (K Irving)

3) NY- Tor
NY: Bargnani
Tor: Camby+ Novak+ 1rnd pick 2016 (Poetl)+ 2 2rnd picks

4) Suns-Bucks- Philly
Suns: B Knight+ Marchall
Philly: MC williams+ plumlee+ Ennis
Philly: protected 1rnd pick LA 2015 (2018 unprotected LA pick)
4)GS- Bucks
GS: Bogut
Bucks: M ellis

5) Other trade

10 Nov 2017 13:44:06
The Melo trade was pretty bad. Mozgov (who was flipped for 2 firsts later), Gallinari (good starter), Chandler ( good Starter), Felton (solid starter at the time), a 1st and 2 2nds.

Melo was a legit top 10 player at the time, but the Knick's roster was to depleted after the trade to really ever compete at a high level and I can't imagine there was another offer any where near that.

10 Nov 2017 14:10:31
Got to be the Mo Will for Boom Dizz and Kyrie deal.

10 Nov 2017 14:11:53
All good choices for bad deals but, I think if you asked "Media Anointed Genius" Sam Presti in OKC for a do-over, he'd find a way to hang onto James Harden. That team was genuinely scary with all 3 of those guys there.

10 Nov 2017 14:20:40
Maybe this trade was even worse than the Boston trade

Nets: D Williams
Utah: Favors+ D Harris+ 1rnd pick 11 (draft Kanter with 4rd pick, K Thompson, K Leonard and J Butler available) + 1rnd pick Golden state 2013 ( draft Dieng with the 21 pick, Gobert available) . + Cash

Or this one

Nets: G Wallace
Portland: Okur+ 1rnd pick ( D Lillard)

All trades on this forum looks good, if you look to the Nets trades :-)

10 Nov 2017 14:57:24
Golden State trading #3 pick (Kevin Mchale) and Robert Parish for the #1 pick (Joe Barry Carroll)

10 Nov 2017 14:59:18
Charlotte Hornets trading Kobe Bryant to the Lakers for Vlade Divac and bunch of crap.

10 Nov 2017 16:33:39
@ Yumbo, since 2010.

10 Nov 2017 18:47:29
Phoenix gets Marcus Thornton and the Cavs 2016 1st rounder (Skal Labissiere moved in a package for the Chriss pick)

Boston gets Thomas.

On the flip side of the Ainge coin, moving Perkins for Green.

10 Nov 2017 19:38:32
Gerald Wallace for the pick that became Lillard does stick out as pretty terrible.

10 Nov 2017 21:06:31
Forgot to mention that the two players from 1st rounder and pick swap were Jamal Murray and Saric. So both ended up as lottery picks.

10 Nov 2017 23:57:44
Mark Cuban would say rondo deal was a nightmare.

11 Nov 2017 02:43:01
James Harden trade was worse. and the mo will for Davis is close. 3rd choice is the love for Wiggins because the cavs could did Better or kept him.

11 Nov 2017 04:07:32
Love for Wiggins wasn't bad for the Cavs. Wiggins is a worse offensive player, rebounder, passer, and defender. Outside of being younger and more athletic, Wiggins reeally doesn't have anything on Love.

11 Nov 2017 07:00:32
I take Butler or George or cousins other then love because I believe Wiggins is better then what the bulls, pacers and kings gave up.

11 Nov 2017 14:11:56
Sixers get:Andrew Bynum (remember him? ) for Igoudala, Vucevic, Harkless, and a first round pick. Bynum never saw the floor for the sixers.

11 Nov 2017 17:05:47

That was a crazy trade indeed.

Funny that the Magic won that trade :-) :-) :-)

12 Nov 2017 00:33:28
Magic won that trade big time. And the same trade set the sixers back for years.

13 Nov 2017 13:41:09
Ohioboy, yeah, but you're talking about trades that happened 3 years, 3 finals appearance and a Championship after the fact. The Cavs went out and got the best player available for Wiggins and even though the fit has never been perfect, Love has given them more than Wiggins would have to this point.

02 Nov 2017 16:41:14
Cavs and pelicans and raptors

cavs get cousins and holiday

raptors get Love, Shumpert

pelicans get Thomas, JV and two future first round picks Cavs and raptors and Powell

raptors play love and ibaka and have a starting Sf Shumpert with derozen and Lowry and keep the young guys on the second unit

02 Nov 2017 17:45:06
this is almost a lateral move for the cavs. cousins>love, it>holiday. and it makes less sense bc of holiday’s contract. if they wanna overpay a pg for 4 years they can max it.

02 Nov 2017 18:28:15
Agree with Dona, plus for as much better as Cousins is on the court, Cousins's antics and contract brings it to a lateral move for the Cavs. It's pointless for the Cavs to trade IT or Love for another allstar caliber player. It really doesn't get them closer to the Warriors.

02 Nov 2017 16:31:12
raptors and Sixers and suns

raptors get Okafor and Nik plus suns second round pick

Sixers get Bledsoe

suns get JV. and vanfleet future first round pick from Sixers.

raptors get a young center whom can fight and split time with the other two and a good 3 point shooter in Nik most important they shed JV contract

Sixers get a starting pg which will be huge for them.

suns get a starting Center and a young pg and a future first round pick.

02 Nov 2017 18:30:02
Okafor is just a worse version of JV. I don't see the point for Toronto.

27 Oct 2017 10:55:03
Denver: Bledsoe+ Cousins (If Cousins resign, because he want to play with Bledsoe)

Phoenix: Jokic+ Mudiay+ Arthur

NO: Farried+Dudley+ 1rnd pick Phoenix 2018+ 1rnd pick Miami 2018+ 1rnd pick Phoenix 2020 +1rnd pick Miami 2021+ 2rnd pick Memphis 2018+ 2rnd pick Tor 2018+ 2rnd pick Phoenix 2020

C: Cousins
PF: Millsap
SF: Chandler
SG: Murray
PG: Bledsoe

C Jokic/Chandler
PF: Chriss/ Bender
SF: Jackson/Warren
SG: Booker/Knight
Pg: Mudiay/Knight

NO Orleans can rebuilt or use the draft picks to get a second star (shootingguard/ Small forward)

27 Oct 2017 13:17:04
That's a LOT going back to NO. If I'm them, I do this in a heartbeat! Faried actually fits pretty well next to Davis, Dudley is a great veteran presence with range, and they'd have a ton of opportunity to pull in some young talent. Meanwhile, Boogie is more than likely out of there after this season.

As for the other two, Boogie and Bledsoe could make Denver a very interesting team, though I'm not sure how much of an upgrade Boogie is over Jokic. As for Phoenix, they bring in a young stud and a guy in Mudiay that still has a lot of potential, but I'm not sure why they're giving up that many first rounders, especially when they aren't even going to the team that's giving much up.

27 Oct 2017 14:31:35
Maybe the Miami 2021 and a second round pick should go to Denver too.

Cousins is a great player, he only needs to find HIS team.

Phoenix is giving up a lot, but they get everything they need to become a superteam. A good center that can pass and shoot 3- pointers. And a young pointguard.

27 Oct 2017 15:33:12
New Orleans is getting way to much. We just saw Cousins get deal for less than half of that six months ago and the Kings were negotiating from a much better position.

27 Oct 2017 16:22:14
Would rather have Jokic over Cousind tbh.

27 Oct 2017 20:58:49
rkenne What difference does it make what he got dealt for 6 months ago? What matters is if you decide to trade him mid year, what can you get for him. Cousins has showed no off or on court behavior issues and if there is a team needing a big to make a Playoff Run especially if they are in win-now mode, then Cousins is the solution and they will pay.

28 Oct 2017 13:53:01
Dacman. We've seen what the market thinks of Cousins and that was when the Kings had leverage. Demarcus said he wouldn't resign and he hasn't made the same commitment to NO, there was a year and a half left his contract compared to half a year, teams won't have him on a bargain contract for more than half a year, and teams know that they can't risk losing Cousins for nothing because it could spell trouble with Davis. Cousins continues to rack us Ts and really he's never had trouble off the court.

As for teams trying to make a playoff run, there aren't many teams looking to win at all costs right now that have assets.
List of teams looking to win at all cost that could use Cousins and their best obtainable assets: GS- late firsts and some low end prospects; Cleveland- Brooklyn pick, future picks that may have value given Lebron's future, Osman, Zizic, Thompson and expiring contracts; Houston- Capela, late future firsts, and expiring contracts; OKC- Adams, Abrines, and late future firsts; Toronto- JV, Powell, low end prospects and late firsts; Washington- Porter and late firsts; SA- late firsts, expiring contracts, Mills, Murray, low end prospects, and possible assets that could bring back value in a 3 way trade.

Teams flush with assets that may get involved, but probably wouldn't be willing to risk their future without atleast a commitment from Cousins; Boston and Milwaukee.

TI honestly can't see any other team getting in on this given either their leeriness about the half year, current rebuilds or strength at Center and Boston and Milwaukee are both long shots.

Maybe NOs gets a little more value back than they sent out for Cousins but that's a long shot and there is a possibility that they get very little back compared to Cousins abilities. They got him for next to nothing and that's what they're getting back for him.

26 Oct 2017 15:13:51
Raptor need shooters and I hate to say it but Powell isn't a great shooter. Package him and JV and a draft pick. To bring in a starting SF with great range.

How about this raptor and warriors

Raptors get Klay Thompson

Warriors get JV powell and first round pick

26 Oct 2017 15:37:27
There's a few guys who could fit that mold for the Warriors, but I'm not sure if I can think of one who would be able to do what Klay does with the same attitude he does. He is a (probable) star, who's willing to take the 4th man role, and still was able to get his numbers with a reduced role after KD came in. That's rare.

26 Oct 2017 15:37:31
Why would GSW do this? Give me one good reason.

26 Oct 2017 15:40:41
That's not a bad move if N Powell signs a reasonable contract and Toronto should give an extra draft pick.
But No way Goldens state does this.

26 Oct 2017 15:56:33
I really hope you aren’t serious, this is one of the worst trades I’ve seen.

26 Oct 2017 16:00:03
Why not Durant?

26 Oct 2017 17:19:34
even if gs has decided they aren't bringing klay back when his contracts up in 2019 (which would be a mistake) this trade is still awful. they could so so much more. like soxfan said, klay’s attitude and skill set is truly a rare find.

27 Oct 2017 17:30:57
Because klay will be getting a max deal and the gsw won't be able to afford that.

29 Oct 2017 18:50:23
Sivretsolide, as long as the owners willing to pay heavy luxury tax, they can bring Klay back and this deal is terrible for GS. JV doesn't fit their pace and space offense. They aren't going to wait around for him to lumber down the court and he is a bad defender. He doesn't have much value given the direction the NBA is going. Powell and what would be a late first have little value as well.

24 Oct 2017 17:34:04

IND get: Eric Bledsoe

pg. Bledsoe
sg. Oladipo
sf. Stephenson
pf. Sabonis
c. Turner

TOR get: Thad Young and 2018 1st DP IND

pg. Lowry
sg. Derozan
sf. Miles
pf. Young
c. Ibaka

PHX get: Jonas Valaniunas

pg. Ullis
sg. Booker
sf. Jackson
pf. Bender
c. Valanciunas

24 Oct 2017 19:03:56
Why is Toronto even in this. That pick is worth more than JV. Back to the basket guys without athleticism like Kanter, JV and Okafor have little value in the league. They get torched on defense, their offense clogs up lanes, they stop the ball, and they don't score many points per shot.

24 Oct 2017 23:19:13
ind should not give up their 1st unprotected. they are top 5 bound.

16 Oct 2017 17:03:02
The Thunder traded J Harden to Houston for Lamb+ Martin+ 1rnd pick (Adams)

Two other teams had a chance

Toronto offered Valaciunas+T Ross, but they thought Valanciunas would have a higher sealing.
C: A Johnson
PF: Bargnani
SF: Derozan
Sg: Harden

The other team was Washington, they offered Beal and Singleton

What do you guys think would have been the best trade?

16 Oct 2017 17:13:51
beal might have made a huge difference in kd staying in okc.

16 Oct 2017 18:33:58
If not trading isn't an option, Beal. It's hard to judge in retrospect though. Lamb looked like a potentially solid player with upside and Martin was coming off a huge year.

16 Oct 2017 18:50:54
On the surface i think the Washington offer was best. There is no way to know what impact those offers would have made on future moves though.

20 Oct 2017 13:47:56
It wound up that Beal may have been the big get, but I think Houston was still the best package. When you take health into consideration, I think Adams is the best piece of all of those players. They also got Martin, who at that point was a really good scorer if nothing else, Lamb, who was another interesting kid, the #32 back after it took an interesting tour through half the league where they took Abrines (meh) and a future 1st where they took Mitch McGary.

A scorer, a young talent in Lamb, and three chances at another good player (in the form of #s 12, 21 and 32) for a guy they didn't think they could keep is probably the best of the bunch. I'd really have to know what else was coming with Beal/ Singleton or Val/ Ross to determine what was better, but that's not likely to ever come out.

16 Oct 2017 06:06:57
Mavs should add an stronger SG that can attack the rim and run plays as well by defending good.



For now Mavs would improve the backcourt.

Maybe Shumpert plays a great year or he is willing to step out for the next year. If not, Shumpert and Wes are similar Players, Wes may a bit more committed overall but next year he is older as has only 1y 17m left. So if Shumpert works or stays Mavs could trade Wes to a contender / good team that Need some SG/SF to free cap space. (Pelicans, Raptors, Pistons or LAC or OKC)

16 Oct 2017 09:00:35
That would be a good move for both teams.

16 Oct 2017 13:35:06
Shumpert has no value.

16 Oct 2017 14:15:21
Not a fan of it for the Cavs. Atleast until IT is back Shumpert looks to be in the rotation and after trading Jefferson, the Cavs would end up being pretty thin on the wing if someone missed time. Plus, the Cavs have 4 more traditional bigs on the roster and it looks like their plans is to only play them at the 5. I don't think Mcroberts would in the Cavs rotation and the chances he is even reasonably healthy this year are pretty slim.

16 Oct 2017 14:54:02
Supercollider, neither does Mcroberts. What's your point?

17 Oct 2017 04:43:09
Well rkenne, now that Melo's been dealt Super has to find someone new to pile on!

100% agreed rkenne.

02 Oct 2017 10:53:43

Cavaliers get J.Valanciunas
- get a back up center


Raptors get K.Faried & I.Shumpert
- get more athletic & get some wing depth


Nuggets get C.Frye (exp) & 1st rd pick from CLE (own)
- could cut Frye and get a 1st for Faried


02 Oct 2017 17:52:27
absolutely not if i’m the cavs. they give up their first, which effectively locks them into the nets pick, to get a back up center? i can't see that happening. they would have to trade someone (likely either it or love) to get back a pick in the 15-25 range if their eventual plan is to trade the nets pick. just my thought process.

02 Oct 2017 22:24:19
I don't think the Cavs would be all that interested valacuinas. The Cavs want to play with pace and spread the floor. JV does neither and is a defensive liability. They plan on Love starting at center. so TT will be the back up. Plus like donadamsky said, they lose their ability to trade the Brooklyn pick, if someone big comes available.

29 Sep 2017 20:18:46
Raptors need to unload some guys and bring in better players.

They should waive cabocolo and Bebe

Then sign wiltjer, Kj and mckinnie.

I would love to see them trade JV for Faried. Maybe make a 3 team trade.

A line of

Lowry, DeRozan,Myles,Faried and Ibaka would be a very fast athletic lineup.

Off the bench you would have Powell siakam,poetle, Wright and one of the starting back court.

Might not wow anyone but young and athletic is the way to go and with a faster offence and quick outlet passes they can easily beat teams down the court

29 Sep 2017 21:16:02
Raptors should just blow the whole thing up and re-build. They’re not winning anything with this core.

29 Sep 2017 21:40:27
Faried would be a solid get for them. He's a guy that Boston would really struggle with on the boards.

23 Sep 2017 04:02:31
Abdel Nader for Lucas Nogueira or Jakob Poeltl

Nader was D-League ROY last season and has some upside (so does Nogueira and to a lesser extent Poeltl), but the Cs need size and the Raptors have a surplus of bigs who all need time.

14 Sep 2017 12:04:33
If Cavs have Shumpert, Frye (exp) & their 2018 own 1st to trade, who would they use them for?

it should be a perimeter defender or a decent back up big

some list,

To Chicago for Robin Lopez?
To San Antonio for Danny Green? highly unlikely though
To Pacers for Thad Young?
To Knicks for Oquinn & Thomas or Lee?
To Mavericks for Wesley Matthews & 2nd?
To Raptors for Valanciunas?
To Bucks for Monroe?
To Hornets for MKG?
To Thunder for Roberson?

any idea guys?

14 Sep 2017 13:34:48
Cleveland's own No.1 will be late 20s at best, so it has little value (in fact, teams would prefer an early 2nd to a late first because first-rounders require guaranteed money) .
That leaves Frye, who is cooked, and Shumpert, who has little value and is at best a lower-rotation player.
Out of your offers I see maybe Valanciunas, but none of the others. But even at that, Valanciunas might tick off James by clogging the lane.

14 Sep 2017 15:50:29
I don't see Val, it would just leave the Raps too thin at the five. I agree Super with your valuation, so maybe Monroe at best, and probably not even him.

06 Sep 2017 01:47:18
Raptors and Denver

Raptors get faried and Murray

Nuggets get JV, Powell and first round pick

Then Denver looks to turn JV into something more mid season or off season

Raptors get a Pf rebounding machine and a young scoring combo guard still think Powell will be much better but faried is what they need.

06 Sep 2017 03:38:14
JV and Faried are probably equal in value and nothing else Toronto gives up is really worth Murray.

06 Sep 2017 13:21:09
Not sure if you've heard of this guy Jokic in Denver, but apparently they would have no need for JV, and they're not giving up Murray for Powell and a late first. Denver is overstocked with wings, and Murray has the ability to slide over to the point.

03 Sep 2017 17:32:57
Cavs Toronto Det

Cavs receive

Toronto receives
2021 first round pick or 2 second round picks in 2019, 2020

Detroit receives

03 Sep 2017 16:00:21
Mid-Season Trade
Nets get:
F Kevin Love

Pistons get:
C Tristan Thompson
F Trevor Booker (expiring)
G D'Angelo Russell
G Caris LaVert
18' Nets 1st Round Pick via Raptors

Cavaliers get:
C Andre Drummond
G Avery Bradley (expiring)
F Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

Nets: Russell shows much of the same as in Year 2. Nets pair him with two of their young wings and the Raptors pick for Kevin Love, a borderline All-Star in the Eastern Conference.
Pistons: Drummond doesn't step up his defensive ability. They move on from his contract and get a cheaper replacement in Thompson, a younger guard than Jackson in Russell, and a potential long term option at the SG or SF position in LaVert. If they are not in the playoff picture and they realize Bradley won't resign, they'll be glad to take a pick for him.
They upgrade their center position with acquiring Drummond and get more equipped to defend the Warriors with Bradley and RHJ. They can start Thomas/Bradley/Crowder/LeBron/Drummond and if the Warriors go small, they can input RHJ or maybe even Dwyane Wade if he's bought out. I doubt the Cavaliers will move the Nets pick if they don't know LeBron's future.

03 Sep 2017 16:58:58
I'm not saying he's not more valuable, but I doubt the Cavs would move Love for Drummond straight up and I don't think anything they get back is worth giving up the Brooklyn pick for. It's a pretty terrible deal for the Cavs.

03 Sep 2017 17:28:43
Looking at it more, it's pretty terrible for Brooklyn too. Love is really good, but they still aren't a playoff team with him. Why give up some of their best young players for him? This really only makes sense for the Pistons who get an absurd return on Bradley and Drummond.

28 Aug 2017 16:58:58
The Spurs get Bledsoe and Valaciunas

The Suns get Parker, Powell, Murray, a Spurs first, and a Toronto first

The Raptors get Aldridge and a Spurs 2nd

28 Aug 2017 21:48:53
works for everyone but maybe suns should waive parker.

29 Aug 2017 14:59:05
I don't know that I give up Powell if I'm the Raps to get LMA. I have a feeling that this is a breakthrough year for him, and the Raps are not overly deep at the wing. I also don't know that LMA is a great fit in Toronto, he wants to be a bigger focus in an offense, and the Raps give a majority of their touches to the backcourt.

29 Aug 2017 15:38:50
No thanks from T. O.

30 Aug 2017 16:01:36
i like this for the suns and toronto
Not sure about the spurs. shouldn't they go after a free agent next year?

24 Aug 2017 15:44:10
Boston: Drummond+ Nogueira

Toronto: Horford

Detroit: Valanciunas+ CJ Miles+ 1rnd pick LA (or sac 2019)

C: Drummond/Nogueira
PF: Morris/ Yabusele
SF: Hayward/Tatum
SG: Smart/ J Brown
PG: Irving/ Rozier

PF: Horford/Siakam
SG: Powell/McDaniels
PG: Lowry/D Wright

24 Aug 2017 16:58:43
Horford and the LA pick for Drummond and a body? I want whatever it is you're smoking.

24 Aug 2017 18:28:02
I don't this it's terrible Sox fan. Drummond is the exact kind of player that Boston needs and his age fits perfectly with Boston's time line. Horford is 31 and his stats have been slowly creeping down. I think maybe a Boston pick instead of the la pick and then the Raptors throw in a first to Detroit would make sense for everyone.

24 Aug 2017 19:54:51
Would much rather have Horford than Drummond. Horford was a stud in last year's playoffs.

23 Aug 2017 13:13:22
I think with the Celtics getting stronger and cavs getting ready for James to leave the raptors need to push this season and also plan the same as the cavs. Raptors need to start using there young talent and let them fly. At the same time get some help on the boards.

Raptors, Denver and spurs

Raptors get faried

Spurs get JV Denver draft pick.

Denver gets LA

Raptors have Ibaka faried out front that would be a good defence front court

23 Aug 2017 14:03:03
It's a small front court though. That said, neither the Cavs or C's boast a tonne of bigs, so the deal's not bad.

05 Sep 2017 20:21:33
Small ball is the way of the nba nowbifnyou have speed and guys that can get rebounds your golden raptors don't need offences they need rebounds and defensive players.

17 Aug 2017 15:19:38
What if??
Kyrie goes to Spurs in 3 team deal involving aldridge (send back to Portland)

Melo goes to Rockets with Paul and Harden

Davis goes to Celtics with Thomas

Westbrook, George and Love(via trade) to Lakers with Lonzo Ball and Ingram

LeBron, Wade and Rose teaming up with Whiteside, Dragic and Winslow in Miami

DAndre Jordan to Bucks with Giannis, Brogdon and Middleton

Cousins to Wizards, reuniting with Wall

Nba top East teams would be Heat, Celtics, Wizards, Bucks, Raptors and Sixers

Nba top West teams would be Warriors, Spurs, Rockets, Lakers, Wolves and Blazers

17 Aug 2017 15:51:54
Ok, how about proposing an actual trade.

17 Aug 2017 16:12:39
I see. And the other teams are just going to hand over their Superstars because we need 12 teams to have all the talent. try posting a trade idea instead of a "what if"

17 Aug 2017 16:34:23
The Spurs really don't have much of value to offer the Cavs and I don't see Portland being willing to give up much for Aldridge.

Melo to Houston still could happen, but at this point it seems like a long shot. Unless either Ny or Houston drastically change their stances it doesn't even seem close.

The Celtics would have to offer NO something ridiculous to even make it a conversation. From the Pelicans stand point, why trade Davis right now?

Outside of Ingram and Ball, what would the Lakers have that the Cavs would be interested in? They would have to let Randle walk to sign the first two and would almost certainly have to include Deng in any trade for Love. It's not happening.

Riley screwed over Wade 2 years ago. I don't see him or Lebron being willing to go back.

I' don't see Jordan being a player that Milwaukee really needs. They're already a long team that's solid on defense. They need more shooting.

The Wizards are capped out for the next few years and don't have many valuable assets out side of Wall and Beal, I'm not sure how they would end up with Cousins.

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