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13 Apr 2019 21:29:41
Possible draft day trades/offseason trades the Hawks could make in the 2019 offseason with Kent Bazemore as their base

1) Hawks receive Timofey Mozgov with the possiblity to get a 2020 1st rounder (lottery protected) or 2020 & 2021 2nd rounders
Magic receive Kent Bazemore

2) Hawks receive Bismack Biyombo with the possibility to get a 2020 1st rounder (lottery protected) or the 2020 NYK 2nd rounder & 2021 BRK 2nd
Hornets receive Kent Bazemore

3) Hawks receive Allen Crabbe with the possibility to get 2019 DEN 1st draft night or 2020 IND 2nd & 2020 DEN 2nd rounders (possibility to add TOR 2021 to the other two 2nds since they will most likely be late second round)
Nets receive Kent Bazemore

4) Hawks receive Evan Turner with the possibility to get 2020 1st (top 20 protected year 1 then lottery protected for year 2 then convoys to 2 seconds) or 2021 & 2024 2nd round picks (also the same to picks for the first round that doesn't convoy)
Blazers receive Kent Bazemore
(most plausible ^)

14 Apr 2019 03:16:24
Soooo. You basically believe that Bazemore is worth a cheaper expiring contract and 2 second round picks?

Sorry. Not seeing the value. MAYBE at the trade deadline, but I wouldn't count on it at that price.

06 Apr 2019 21:56:50
ATL/SAS

ATL get TOR 1st, Metu

SAS get Prince

06 Apr 2019 23:29:37
Dude. Stop. ATL is not getting a 1st rounder for Prince unless ATL is willing to take a bad contract along with the 1st round pick.

So if we were talking about Mills and the TOR 1st rounder, then we MIGHT have something to talk about ( However, Spurs have never been about salary dumps) .

Maybe Snell + Ilnoysia + Milwaukee 1st for Prince?

07 Apr 2019 02:52:44
Generally I agree with you Fredman, but you’re wrong on this one. How is pick 29 more valuable than a guy who puts up 14, 4 and 3 a night while shooting 39% from three and is on a $3M contract next year? Spurs won’t get that production out of that pick, and Pop doesn’t play rookies much anyway.

Prince would be a quality addition to a team in need of athletes, and a need to get younger.

07 Apr 2019 06:27:18
15 pts/ 7 rebounds per game and shooting 35.3% on an expiring deal gets you 1 future early 2nd round pick + 3 future very late second round picks at the trade deadline. Last time I checked that is not as good as pick #29 in the upcoming draft. But its okay if you don't agree.

07 Apr 2019 20:50:12
Who is 15pts,7 rebs, 35% shooting? None of those numbers match-up for Prince.

07 Apr 2019 20:50:46
@Fredman, I believe Milwaukee would pass. I don't believe prince is worth Snell, Ilyasova PLUS a 1st. Rd Pick. the Bucks could do a lot better with a different trade.

07 Apr 2019 23:09:01
I'd do the deal if I thought Middleton was leaving, and Mirotic was staying. Ilyasova, Snell, #30 is a small price for the #'s Triangle posted. Prince is 24, completing his 3rd season on a team that reshaped its entire offense, and defense from last season to this one, and his #'s reflect 0 variance in his output? A steal a game, and 38% from 3 is a 3&D small forward in this league. I'd offer 12-15, 3-4 years to him when he expires.

08 Apr 2019 00:12:59
Sorry, I am assuming Prince's numbers actually drops by going to the Spurs simply because of the difference in Pace (Hawks led the league while Spurs was one of the slowest playimg teams) as well as the diminished touches Prince will get in San Antonio. I believe that you are talking more about 10 PPG and 2 RPG with the Spurs.

Jorga, the stats I quoted were what Mirotic was averaging when he was traded for matching salary and 4 (really only 1 "good") 2nd rounders. Using that as a SIMILAR market for Prince, ATL is not getting a 1st rounder back without taking back a a "bad" deal. It's just what previous deals (AKA the market) show.

08 Apr 2019 00:29:06
I wouldn't compare Mirotic, and prince situation at all. The pelicans went rebuild, and probably met a request from Mirotic. You're trying to trash the prince value to make a case. Mirotic deal is just semantics, include this, leave out that, and you have prince value based off of a different situation entirely is subjective in the least. Prince also has half a season on Mirotic, and is younger, but that wouldn't matter either I'm sure.

08 Apr 2019 13:01:06
A player averaging 15/ 7 and shooting 35% from 3 versus a player averaging 14/ 3 shooting 39% from 3 is a bad comparision? Okay, I don't know about "bad" but it is a "close" comparision. I tend to believe when you remove the players names, personal opinions and biases are also removed as well. AKA the 14/ 3/ 39% player's value is "close" to the 15/ 7/ 35% players value. Its not perfect but it is more based in fact that anyone's (including my own) personal opinion.

So let me put it another way, ATL is going to need a perfect storm of situations (Injuries to playoff team, Prince only player on the trade market, marked improvemwnt in the off season, etc) to drive up his current value to a 1st round pick.

Remember that a 12/ 8/ 55% FG player wouldn't get the time of day from most of you as well.

08 Apr 2019 14:25:35
Pick a player who is 24, has a season to go at 3M before RFA and that is the closest comp you can come up with for Prince is Mirotic? I'd fjre you if you if you were my agent negotiating my next contract.

08 Apr 2019 20:32:38
That has been traded this season to show what their trade value is? After doing more research perhaps Rodney Hood (12.2/ 2.5/ 36.% from 3) would be a better fit for you. What did Portland give up to get him from Cleveland? Expiring salary and 2 future 2nd rounds (Portland's 2021 and 2023 picks) which are nowhere near the value of 2019 pick #29/ #30. Does that work for you?

08 Apr 2019 21:55:43
5 year unrestricted free agent is a comparison to a 3 year, going into final year before RFA? Since when? Prince is the more accurate 3 shooter, and better defender in less time in the oven. A mid to early 20's 1st shouldn't be that hard to get. Maybe they do take back a matching, or close, expiring salary. Not a 10M plus though.

08 Apr 2019 23:42:51
Show me an actual trade of a pick in the mid 20s + expiring salary for a young player with Prince's comps. Not seeing one over the last 2 years.

While I have another SIMILAR comps of Justin Holiday, (2 second rounders) . So that is 3 trades within the last year that are SIMILAR to Prince, with all 3 essential generating 2 2nd rounds picks for ATL.

09 Apr 2019 02:01:39
Prince > Justin Holiday.

09 Apr 2019 18:26:49
Kings
Prince

Hawks
'20 SAC 1st

Barnes expires when Prince enters RFA, seamless transition @ SF for SAC, plus a back-up after trading Anderson.

Pacers
Prince

Hawks
Indy 1st

Indy is moving on from Evans, and Mcdermott hasn't been a good addition.

Blazers
Prince

Hawks
POR 1st
Labissierre

Blazers are desperate for someone to be a better player @ SF. Aminu might be gone Harkless, Prince is a decent fill for the SF/ PF the blazers need. Hood is hard to watch for me. Cannot make a wide open spot up 3. Has to be off the dribble. Prince has no problems with catch and shoot. Trent is still green.

09 Apr 2019 21:33:24
I like the trade as proposed by USA. Prince is a young athletic wing who is still on a rookie deal. Spurs have two first round picks this summer and do not have many roster spots available. I think they would definitely want Prince for the Toronto pick (28 or 29) and Metu. Metu was a 2nd round pick last year who showed little this year even though he was on the roster all year. Prince is a proven player with upside. Spurs could do much worse.

06 Apr 2019 01:41:04
SAS/ATL

SAS get Prince

ATL get TOR 1st & a contract whoever SAS want to give up

06 Apr 2019 14:08:32
Wouldnt the Spurs just resign Rudy Gay and keep the pick?

06 Apr 2019 16:16:01
Unless they want to get younger with Murray coming back and Walker IV going into year two. Also, if they go out with a whimper in the playoffs, it’s probably time to let the Gays of the world walk.

I could see the Spurs being interested if they don’t like anyone at 29. Pop has never been big on playing Rooks anyway, may not want two in the same season.

06 Apr 2019 20:10:39
Lets be real. Prince is not going to prevent the Spurs from going out with a whimper. Do better drafting someone with the pick or packaging the pick with their other 1st and getting into the 12-14 pick area of the draft.

06 Apr 2019 20:38:19
Prince would be good for the spurs, even if the other player was Murray. Gay is going championship hunting. He'd be great off the bench for at least half the title contending teams.

07 Apr 2019 02:58:38
You’re right Fredman, he wouldn’t stop the Spurs from going out of the playoffs, but it’s not the point. He’s not on the team now, Gay is. When the Spurs are eliminated in the 1st round, they have to take a long look at this flawed roster and decide whether bringing back Gay is a good idea, which it isn’t.

Murray, Walker, White, Jakob, there are finally some good young pieces on this team. Prince fits well with those kids, and gives them more than pick 29 would.

29 Mar 2019 17:52:53
Good Chance Mavs keep their pick. Is is feasible to build a contender?

If Mavs get #1 and Zion take him, if not trade the top 5 pick for Drummond and Pistions can draft a Winger and a Center and have Powell, Lee for one year:

Draft day:

Detroit:
- Powell, Lee, Top 5 2019
Dallas:
- Drummond

Now there is a dependency if Leonard and Walker wanto to sign in Dallas and if Toronto and Charlotto agree to extend them for max and trade them on draft day. If yes, Toronto could get Hardaway as a winger and move Powell away, that take a bench role in Dallas:

Toronto:
- Hardaway, future 2nd
Dallas:
- Leonard, N.Powell


Finally Mavs have the 21m trade exception and if Charlotte helps Walker to go to Dallas for max, they extend his contract 5y but for 2019 he is still at 12m on the books, Mavs could sign Bruke for 1y 3m:

Charlotte:
- Bruke, 2nd 2019
Dallas:
- Walker

Mavs sign back the roster and Chanlder. : )

Contender?

Drummond, Chandler, Mejri
Zinger, Dirk, Maxi
Leonard, FinneyS, Jackson
Doncic, Powell, Harris
Walker, Brunson, Barea

YES! : )

29 Mar 2019 18:29:31
You’re so delusional.

30 Mar 2019 02:33:27
Y not trade Brunson for a future 2nd and sign jkidd.

30 Mar 2019 15:42:42
Really.

31 Mar 2019 15:19:39
Just be happy zinger doesn't end up in jail for rape. Their is your summer.

31 Mar 2019 16:17:10
Porzingis leaves the Knicks, so you take it out on the people on this site.

01 Apr 2019 11:46:17
Put your keys down buddy. can’t let you leave the house talking like that. gimme another scenario so I can see if you’re ok cause CLEARLY, you are not! haha.

23 Mar 2019 19:45:10
SPURS/ Dragic, Barnes, Hield
KINGS/ Derozan, Olynyk
HEAT/ Mills, Bertans, Murray, Bjelica, TOR 1st

24 Mar 2019 00:31:12
It gives the Heat needed shooting, but the quality of player return stinks for them. Make it a Spurs 1st instead of the Toronto pick.

24 Mar 2019 00:50:49
Derozen + Olynyk for Hield + Barnes + Bjelica? Ummm, no!

19 Mar 2019 09:35:58
OKC: K Love

Spurs: Schroder

Cleveland: P Mills+ A robertson+ 1rnd pick toronto+ 2rnd pick OKC 2020

19 Mar 2019 12:00:00
Toronto's pick isn't valuable enough. Add another 1st from someone else.

19 Mar 2019 13:06:50
The Cavs should pass on that. Cedi and Sexton have both looked really good with Love back. There’s no reason to take on those two contracts just for a 1st in the late 20s. There’s a good chance that Roberson isn’t going to be the same player coming back and Mills is an expensive back up pg for a team that has a ton of guards on the roster.

19 Mar 2019 21:15:37
Getting any pick for love is a win. Guy is overpaid and plays 50 games year.

16 Mar 2019 13:32:35
Portland: B Beal

spurs: Mccollum

Was: Mills+Belinelli+Bertrans+ 1rnd pick Portland+ 1rnd pick Spurs+ 1rnd Pick Toronto+ 1rnd pick Portland 2020

16 Mar 2019 17:36:42
I wouldn’t give up two firsts to swap McCollum for Beal. I don’t think Beal makes Portland any better at all. They’d be exactly where they are now (fighting for third) with either of them.

16 Mar 2019 17:50:38
I think Portland will be a little better because Beal the better fit.

15 Mar 2019 13:29:03
If Toronto loses Leonard in free agency

Spurs: K Lowry

LA: D Murray

Tor: Mills+ Betrans+Bellinelli+ Ball+ 1rnd pick spurs+ 1rnd pick tor+ 2rnd pick LA

15 Mar 2019 14:19:54
Spurs won't give up best player and 2 picks.

15 Mar 2019 14:20:35
Neither is a real needle Mover. Lowry expiring, and Murray on the road to recovery. Lowry would be good in Miami I think.

15 Mar 2019 16:59:51
Did you just say that Murray is better than Lowry Shiller? Has Lowry become the most underrated player in the NBA if that is the case?

15 Mar 2019 17:43:59
I don't think Murray is very good. 29th pick in the '16 draft, 22-23 years old, 26% from 3, 5 rebs, 2 ast, 7 pts, last season. Rondo is a 36% 3 shooter this season and still gets criticised for his shooting. Lowry just has a large expiring deal going against him. He is as good as Bledsoe, Conley, Beverly, Dragic, and better in some areas.

15 Mar 2019 20:04:14
Bmiller- I 3xpect healthy and consistent play in playoffs for 30 million aseason.

17 Mar 2019 10:15:42
Overpaid and better are two different things. No one is claiming Lowry isn’t overpaid. You claimed he wasn’t the best player involved. Which is laughable.

03 Mar 2019 22:52:32
Spurs- LA Lakers

Spurs: Ball

LA: Murray+ 1rnd pick Toronto

Spurs sign
M Gasol 3y 60M
T Ross 2y 40M

Draft: Hayes

C: M gasol/ Poetl
PF: LM aldridge/Hayes
SF: Ross/ Bertrands
SG: DeRozan/L Walker/ Forbes
PG:Ball/White

04 Mar 2019 01:53:16
You are talking about adding $44.5 mil in cap space for next year when the Spurs only have $9 mil in cap space for next year. Not sute how you are going to make that happen.

04 Mar 2019 11:59:02
Also, on top of having no cap space, if Dejounte is able to recover from his surgery and come back at full speed next year, I take him over Ball.

04 Mar 2019 15:11:04
Murray can't shoot, Ball can't shoot. Toss up.

04 Mar 2019 17:02:59
They're both Rajon Rondo style PGs. Definitely not enough of a difference to include a first to swap them.

04 Mar 2019 17:15:20
I don't like Ball, but the Kidd has talent. i want to make a bet, he's an all star in three years and he makes an all nba team in 5 years.

04 Mar 2019 18:26:06
In the West? No chance. To make All-Star, he has to be top 5 guard.

Curry, Thompson, Lillard, Harden, Westbrook.

Heck, the next 5 are probably even better. Hield, Fox, McCollum, Derozen, Holiday, Mitchell, Booker

At best, he will be an average-above average guard (ranked 10th-15th best guard in the Western Conference)

04 Mar 2019 21:27:04
I struggle imagining he's ever better than any of those guys. Throw Conley in there too.

The guards in the west are just really good. Saying Lonzo will top out at the quality of McCollum isn't a bad thing. He's a top 40 player in the NBA. Yet McCollum will never make an all star game.

05 Mar 2019 00:08:31
I think Gasupo was trying to do his Lavar Ball impersonation.

05 Mar 2019 11:37:22
No, I'm a much bigger idiot than Lavar Ball.

27 Feb 2019 18:46:40
Raptors fail to sign Leonard.

Raptors then trade Lowry and Ibaka for some picks and role players.


then sign Walker and resign Lin and green.

Gasol will use his players option. have him start in the middle with siakim and OG.

Walker
green
OG
siakim
Gasol

try to sign good shooters and role players and trade Lowry and Ibaka for draft picks. and potential rising stars.

with Walker alone the Raptors would still be a playoff team. just need that scoring punch.

27 Feb 2019 12:10:59
Raptors-Nuggets


Raptors get Malik Beasley
Nuggets get Chris Boucher (non-guaranteed), Malcolm Miller (non-guaranteed) and TOR's 2021 1st round pick (lottery protected)


* Raptors will pay much higher luxury tax next year if Kawhi stays. With this move, Raptors can save millions. Instead, $10M-p/a renewal for Danny Green, who may demand more, would cost about $35M more on team's bill, than Beasley's acquisition.
* Nuggets are already rich at SG/SF spot, and committed some money on Jokic, Harris and Barton (Murray will soon join that list). Beasley will be restricted free agent in 2020, and they may want to spend some on PF spot. So, getting a 1st round pick for a rental makes sense for them.


Any thoughts?

27 Feb 2019 17:34:49
You want to trade a top seed team's player that on the rise in his rookie contract to potentially who they face in the finals for a 1st 3 year from now. Smh.

16 Feb 2019 18:42:30
How the Clippers Get AD (Godfather Offer)

Flip Lou Williams to IND, CHA, or MIN for a future first

Flip Montrezl Harrell to MIN, SAC, DEN for a future first

Trade SGA/Robinson/Shamet/6 First Round Picks (Rights to their '19 First, '20 First from PHI, '21 First from MIA, '22 First from LAC, Future First from Lou Williams trade, Future First from Harrell trade) for AD

How does this compare with the NYK and BOS packages?

This gives the Pelicans the equivalent of 9 first round picks plus close to $20 million in immediate savings due to the difference in salaries.

If the Clippers can dump Gallinari's contract either with Lou Williams, through a possible Kawhi (S&T) with the Raptors or to another team, the Clippers try to pair AD with Kawhi and KD along with Zubac's small cap hold. They fill the rest of the roster with the room exception (point guard), second round picks and ring chasers.

16 Feb 2019 23:31:03
Its ambitious to say the least. I actually like this for Pels because it creates a Trust the Process But also it puts AD in LA but not with the Tamperers.

17 Feb 2019 01:59:52
Think you can only trade 4 first per trade.

17 Feb 2019 04:57:52
If Harrell gets a first in trade other GM should be fired.

17 Feb 2019 13:49:07
I think New Orleans is looking for 3 things to trade AD.

1. "Proven" young talent.
2. Draft picks
3. Salary cap relief (most likely salary dumping Hill's contract) .

The Clippers young talent is not proven and the Clips would lose their max salary slot in order to provide significant salary cap relief to New Orleans.

17 Feb 2019 16:01:21
Expiring S. Hill in a trade involving AD? Wouldn't that mean less return for the rebuilding pelicans? I don't think S. Hill $ will be required to make the salaries work unless Wall is the trade target.

17 Feb 2019 18:31:13
However, getting someone to take Hill's deal for free would open up $30 mil in cap space this off season to take on a bad deal for a pick. Unloading Hill speeds up the rebuild process.

18 Feb 2019 12:07:11
I like the offer. NO already has big men for the future in Randle and Okafor. Getting SGA and Shamet who had a great year would be big. Having set 4 positions for 7/ 8 years is great. It depends on the celtics if they offer Tatum, Brown, Smart and picks. That would be the only better offer. Picks of the Celtics aren't better than the picks of the Clippers.

18 Feb 2019 15:20:36
S. Hill for free? Is that a standing 8 count.

18 Feb 2019 19:13:10
How is Hill's deal in an AD trade going to be free for the Pels? I am not clear on what you are saying. Hill is expiring, and he can be traded to acquire a bad contract along with other players. Doesn't need to be included to drag an AD trade down. I think this is a standing 8 count for you fredman.

18 Feb 2019 21:10:50
The picks would have been useless if they hadnt canned Dell Demmps. He wouldve burned them up in bad trades.

07 Feb 2019 19:48:48
Since Gasol is heading to Toronto, there are no improvement for Charlotte. So Maybe on the Walker request of Mavs very late? : )
As well as Orlando when Mavs will take on Mozgov?

So may it possible to see the most curious trade ever?

When Mavs trade only low 13m money for 42m in return? Mavs have 13,5m cap and a 21m Exception. Would be a shame to send out Brunson but look at this:

Mavs:
- Vucevic, Walker, Mozgov

Hornets:
- Brunson, Randolph, 12m, future 1st Mavs (up to 4 pick are allowed)

Magic:
- Byombo, 2x2nd Mavs


The trade could also happen after the draft day before Jun. 30 when neither Walker nor Vucevic would agree to resign. But both teams would have some more wins an hence lower picks.

07 Feb 2019 20:54:59
Your offer is horrible.

07 Feb 2019 23:06:54
Offers*.

07 Feb 2019 18:22:22
Clippers get smith fry and chriss and cavs get gallinari and a future first. Clippers will be highly prepared for 2019 free agency.

With bucks getting better and if they put out Toronto or 76ers or Boston put out Toronto Leonard switch to either la team. I say clippers if someone join him or lakers because better chance to win ring with the king.

05 Feb 2019 23:37:28
Raptors and Philly.

Raptors get Butler

philly gets Lowry.

I know philly fans will be that's stupid why.
here's why lowry is from philly and he's an allstar and will help them win. butler isn't what they hoped for and butler is another scoring wing the Raptors. need with lowry gone Raptors lose out a floor general but have freddy to help with that lost. and secondly. this would be the only trade that Raptors should do if trading lowry players will forgive them because it's his hometown.


butler can help with the scoring load and then possibly resign with the Raptors or walk and they now have money to sign players with butler and Leonard gone. or bring them both back on one year deals and try again.

05 Feb 2019 23:32:22
rumors are that lowry is up for trades. here's why that's bad.


1. they traded DeRozan a franchise player. and now lowry another fan favorite and franchise player. if lowry is traded the Raptors will never get another big name to sign.

2. Lowry is there glue that runs the team smoothly. he's having a bad shooting season but give him rest and time. hopefully playoffs come by he'll be healthy.

3. if your going to trade lowry it needs to be for another impactful younger PG. who can grow with the team and provide the same shooting and defense that lowry dose. example Kemba Walker.

06 Feb 2019 15:04:54
He is never good in playoffs. He 8s overpaid.

05 Feb 2019 23:14:09
Raptors Trade Kawhi Leonard

Clippers Trade Tobias Harris Lou Williams


Salary Match

05 Feb 2019 02:38:37
If Irving Lebron Davis join forces, knicks moves alters

Deadline moves
Chandler Smith for Mathews
Vonleh Thomas for Johnson Muscala 43 55

Summer
Pelicans get DSJ Ntilikina
Knicks get Ball

Ball prefers NY over NO

Magic get 2020 ny 1st 2021 dal 1st 2022 by 1st 2023 1st
Knicks get Bamba

Orlando know knicks are overpaying here

Durant and Leonard 2yr 65 mil
Jordan 5yr 45mil mle

Ball/Mudiay/Ponds-51
Leonard/Trier/Smith
Durant/Knox/Dotson
Williamson-1/Wasington-43/Lawson-55
Jordan/Bamba/Robinson

This means raptors never made finals. Both leonard and Durant don't want to be anywhere near Lebron.

05 Feb 2019 18:05:49
Knicks aren’t giving up 4 first for anyone not named Anthony Davis!
Why would they give up all 4 first rd picks?

05 Feb 2019 18:39:00
So the Knicks give up 4 first, Frenchy and Dsj? Not happening.

04 Feb 2019 23:54:43
hows this for a trade. Raptors get Marc Gasol.


griz get JV OG and Powell.


then Raptors trade. freddy and miles second round pick for Harrison Barns.

then use buyouts for the bench for a playoff run.

lowry/wright
green/buyout maybe wes mathews
leonard/Barns
Siakim/buyout. Maybe J Parker
Gasol/Ibaka

05 Feb 2019 02:40:51
No way you trade OG, u need insurance for Leonard.

05 Feb 2019 23:43:14
who cares its win now mode Raptors can find a replacement for OG.

04 Feb 2019 00:14:53
Cavs Trade Tristan Thompson

Spurs Trade Pau Gasol
2019 first round pick (Raptors)

Cavs receive Pau Gasol(buyout contract) 2019 first round pick (Raptors) from spurs

Spurs receive Tristan Thompson

Spurs are getting rebounds machine Center

Salary Match

04 Feb 2019 01:30:04
No one is trading a 1st for Thompson.

04 Feb 2019 01:37:48
TT has had a great season, but taking on $18M for next year and giving up a 1st may be a bit much. I could see a 2nd.

 
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