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31 Jul 2017 23:54:48
Hou-phx-CLE-ny

Ny
Irving- CLE
Anderson- hou
Taylor- hou
Quarterman- hou

CLE
Ariza- hou
Capella- hou
Bledsoe-phx
Chandler- phx
Warren- phx
Knicks 1st and hou 2nd and ny 2nd

Phx
Love- CLE
Lee- ny
Kuzminski- ny
Hou 2nd


Hou
Melo-ny
Thomas- ny

Trade machine approved. Think this meets most teams needs and makes key players happy.

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01 Aug 2017 00:30:36
Phoenix, Houston and the Cavs turn this down. Phoenix isn't going to trade all that for Love. Especially, to send the real prize to New York. The Cavs aren't going to trade Irving to the Knicks just to end up with 4 centers and no pfs. The Rockets aren't trading Capela for Melo. I don't think the Cavs or Suns really need the Knicks or Houston involved.

31 Jul 2017 23:04:45
Cavs get cousins Lillard Anthony aminu
Blazers get Irving Thompson shumpert
Knicks get hill harkless Leonard
Pelicans get love lee

Cavs get chandler faried
Nuggets get osman felder aminu Jefferson frye Tavares

Sign bogut montiejunas Ellis plumlee

Lillard rose Calderon
Smith korver ellis
James chandler green
Anthony faried montiejunas
Cousins plumlee bogut.

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03 Aug 2017 05:11:16
Matt stop screwing NY, face it this is your last run in Cleveland.

31 Jul 2017 20:39:11
NY-CLE-PHX-HOU

NY
IN
IRVING
ANDERSON
OUT
MELO
NTILIKINA
LEE
OQUINN
1st 2019

PHX
IN
LOVE
OQUINN
FRYE
HOU 1st
OUT
BLEDSOE
CHANDLER

CLE
IN
BLEDSOE
CHANDLER
LEE
MELO
NTALINKA
NY 1st
OUT
IRVING
SHUMPERT
FRYE

NY
IN
IRVING
SHUMPERT
ANDERSON
OUT
MELO
LEE
NTALINKA
1st 2019.

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31 Jul 2017 17:39:51
Bulls need to pick up Quinn Cook had a huge summer league be the2nd best pg on team.

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30 Jul 2017 21:18:39
My favorite hypothetical trade

Cle-phx-denq

Den = Irving, shumpert and osman

Cle = faired, Chandler, Harris and bledsoe

Phx = Murray or mudia y, Frye, Jefferson

Rational- den does it because they get rid of there log jam of power forwards and most importantly they get their 3rd star to pair up with jokic and milsap . Puts them in the top 5 in the west

Phx does it because they get an expiring contract ( frye) of 7.4 mil also you get a guy who is going to retire ( jefferson) 2.5 million that gives you 9.9 million next year . Warren is on an expiring contract and you know he will be asking for a raise next year . They get rid of bledsoe and his injury history . They also save

Cle does it because they get 2 starters in bledsoe and Harris, they also get 2 guys who solidify there 2nd unit .

Trade machine approved . I have seen too many trades that the salaries are so lopside its crazy.

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31 Jul 2017 03:14:36
I don't think that nets the Cavs Bledsoe unless he asks out, which doesn't seem likely.

29 Jul 2017 22:38:01
Well how if bulls sign trade Nikola and rolo to grizzlies for mike Conley.

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30 Jul 2017 01:34:20
I don't understand why Grizzlies would do that. The value is bad on Conley who is a top 10 pg in the nba. Additionally, Grizzlies could sign their own stretch 4 in J. Green who is a much better defender than Mirotic and Lopez would be an expensive backup to Gasol. Not to mention Grizzlies already have a capable backup in Wright.

29 Jul 2017 05:34:27
Kyrie Irving resume

4 time all-star
All-star mvp
All-star 3 point champ
All-star mvp of rising stars
All nba 3rd team
Rookie of the year
All rookie 1st team
USA basketball man of the year
Fiba world cup mvp
Gold medalist olympics, world championships and u-18
Most importantly nba champion

I just had to do this because someone wrote there team is giving up too much for kyrie . Lol.

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29 Jul 2017 20:58:47
Cleveland is also not going to get a package that's full value for Irving.

30 Jul 2017 01:52:24
Irving is extremely talented I don't think anybody is questioning that. He is a superstar talent predicated mostly on his elite offense game where he is is a 40% 3pt shooter, probably best dribbler in NBA, and adept at finishing inside for a guard.

However, there are circumstantial things that will hurt Irving's value (his trade request, its late July and most teams have made their big moves already, teams may not like his new me first attitude, teams questioning if he can lead a team, etc. )

I think many of the trades on here have been overblown as far as what Cleveland is going to get. If you look at what they are reportedly asking for even the Cavs themselves are more realistic wanting a starter, player on a rookie contract and a draft pick in return.

30 Jul 2017 06:20:42
Kyrie is an elite scorer, and . um . not much else.

Being an elite scorer is a valuable thing - no doubt - but there are so many things about his game and the market for stars, that he will not receive a terrific trade return.

But yay! People like scoring!

29 Jul 2017 05:26:35
Let me put up kyrie irving accomplishments, so when you put up a trade offer . You don't say that's too much for kyrie

4 times an allstar
All-star mvp
All-star 3 point champ
All-star mvp.

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29 Jul 2017 20:56:56
He's overrated really good player not great.

28 Jul 2017 20:03:54
If LBJ also askes for a trade now.

Hou: LBJ

Cleveland: E Gordon+ R Anderson+T Ariza+ 1rnd pick Hou 2020 and 2022+ 2rnd pick charlotte 2018

cle:
C:Thompson/Frye/Anderson
PF: K Love/R Anderson/Green
SF: T Ariza/Shumpert/Osman
SG:Gordon/Korver/Smith
Pg: Irving/ D Williams

-Still the best team in the east
-Some future draft picks that could be good when the Houston team is aging.

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28 Jul 2017 20:38:59
Cavs wouldn't want old, already established players. They would want young studs. And the celfcis would be the best team in the east after this trade tbh.

29 Jul 2017 01:47:44
Cavs don't really have a say on how much they can get for Lebron since he has a no-trade clause so they can't expect anywhere close to his value coming back. However, I'd prefer having a year of Lebron and competing for a championship (its not often a franchise can do this and if they lose Lebron might be the last time in awhile) over this return which would tie up a lot of money on so-so players and give Cavs draft picks which are kind of a crap shoot with them so far in the future (Rockets have Harden locked up until then so I doubt they let the team get too bad especially if they don't have their picks anyway) . I'm not convinced this team would be the best team in the East still and going forward they'd still be over the luxury cap and have limited avenues to improve.

28 Jul 2017 00:22:16
I think all these Irving trades are radically over-valueing the eventual return. When a team trades a star, they usually get 75 cents on the dollar, but Kyrie's return could be much lower because:

1. Lately win-now star returns have been even lower than 75 cents. The Warriors dominance has led to much smaller returns for Jimmy Butler, Paul George, Nerlen Noels, and Boogie Cousins.

2. Kyrie demanded a trade. This always lowers value.

3. Kyrie named four teams he wants to get traded to. If you are one of the other 25, you are probably only getting him for two years.

4. Kyrie was not happy on a championship level team. This must make GM's worried about a big offer, because he might become unhappy on yours.

5. Kyrie is a disinterested defender, he doesn't make his teammates better.

6. The PG market is extremely crowded right now.

7. He waited to announce this after teams have used most of their assets up, and made roster decisions.

8. CLE is constrained to make a deal now, since they don't want Kyrie making LeBron and his teammates uncomfortable on the first day of camp. Losing LeBron for nothing next year is more important than a smaller return for Kyrie.

9. CLE is constrained because their Dan Gilbert is far into the repeater tax.

10. CLE has an inexperienced new GM in Koby Altman. Worse, since Kyrie named four teams he wants to be traded to, Cavs teammates and free agents will watch Altman to see if he is a GM who looks out for his players' careers.

CLE GIVES: Kyrie
CLE GETS: Far less than expected

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28 Jul 2017 01:05:53
Irving is 25, signed for multiple years, is already a allstar, has proved to be one of the most clutch players in the league, is coming off the best year of his career, and the Cavs are willing to take back established talent. The Cavs will end up with a solid return.

28 Jul 2017 02:09:57
I see your points and I like them. This is why people need to understand that Cleveland will not receive full value for Irving.

28 Jul 2017 04:50:46
Also think Cleveland won't receive full value for a top 10 pg
Think Bledsoe and pick will be around the value.

28 Jul 2017 11:16:00
He's going to New Orleans and we aren't giving up Boogie or Davis.

28 Jul 2017 18:51:08
Good to see shrink back. And good to see he actually is explaining to cavs fans what they have been so keen on pointing out about Melo, PG, and all other all stars that make clear their intentions to not want to be with the team.

These proposals thinking the cavs will get something like bledsoe, jackson, bender and a pick is just hysterical.

Listen, bledsoe straight up for irving is fair. Like it or not, it is.

Possibly bledsoe has even more value. Similar stats, similar contract, exception is bledsoe plays defense.

Just stop it with the nonsense returns here.

29 Jul 2017 02:00:12
I agree for the most part. I think the timing of the trade request is what will hurt his value the most since teams are less flexible now and less likely to make a major move now that their teams are more or less set. The one thing Cavs have going in their favor is that Irving is only 25 and signed for two more years. This could potentially attract young/ rebuilding teams to go after him and make him the face of their franchise (what he is looking for) . With two years they have a year to sell him on staying then another year to actually sell him and get a little something back if it looks unlikely that he'll resign. For a team like Suns or Nuggets who have plenty of ammunition it may make sense for them to take this gamble on Irving who is one of the best offensive talents in the league (although admittedly doesn't give you much else) .

 


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