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17 Oct 2017 18:02:09
Cle: McCollum+ Porzingis

Port: K Love+ I Thomas

NY: Z Collins+Zizic+ 1rnd pick Nets+ 1rnd pick Portland+ 1rnd pick Cle 2020

Cle:
C:Porzingis/ T Thompson
PF: LBJ/Frye
SF:Crowder/ Osman
SG: D wade/ K Korver
PG: McCollum/ D Rose

Portland:
C Nurkic
PF: K Love
Sf: Harkless
Sg:Turner
Pg: D Lillard
Sixth: IT

NY can start a rebuilt (real tanking without Porzingis) they will have two high lottery picks so they could draft Doncic and Porter in next year's draft.

Gasupo

1.) 17 Oct 2017 20:56:45
Cleveland getting way too much.


2.) 17 Oct 2017 23:05:58
Why does Portland do this?


3.) 18 Oct 2017 00:06:08
Cleveland is getting to much, but i think this trade would make Portland a better team. The combo K Love+ Nurkic would be great. And IT could be an awesome sixth man in that team.

And NY should go for a total rebuilt. They would win 35-40 games with Porzingis, so they can't draft a great player and they can't sign a bigg free agent. This could make Porzingis unhappy. Trading him for the Nets pick, gives their own pick more value.
Tanking is the best way to create a superteam. They could end up with the two top picks and draft Porter and Doncic. And they could draft Barret the year after.

This could be a contender by 2023
C: Collins
PF: Zigic
SF :Porter
SG: Barret
PG: Doncic.


4.) 18 Oct 2017 00:44:12
I hate it for Portland. You can’t bring Thomas off the bench, but Lillard and Thomas would be a train wreck defensively. I think I’d rather go for porzingis if I’m Portland, offering McCollum, Collins, and a pick.


5.) 18 Oct 2017 08:27:03
@BMiller

The Knicks should go for a rebuilt, not trade a young star for an older star.


6.) 18 Oct 2017 10:13:27
CJ is 26, which I would not consider old. Throw in Collins and a 1st, and I would not mind moving Zinger for that.

Kris is obviously not going to be a bust, but I'm not sold on him taking the next step towards Super Stardom. I'm not a fan of his "opportunistic" defense (block or bust) and I'm a kitten concerned with his overall drive to continue his improvement. I hope I'm wrong, and I very much may be proven to be, but it would not shock me if he spends his career putting up 18, 8 and two block stat lines while making just one or two all-star games.


7.) 18 Oct 2017 12:01:14
comme on Triangle.

McCollum is 26, they already have Ntilikina.
They would still win 35-40 games
They still can't sign another big free agent and they still stay mediocre.
If NY trades Porzingis, it should be for younger players and draft picks.
It's the only way to create a superteam and become a contender.


 

 

16 Oct 2017 17:03:02
The Thunder traded J Harden to Houston for Lamb+ Martin+ 1rnd pick (Adams)

Two other teams had a chance

Toronto offered Valaciunas+T Ross, but they thought Valanciunas would have a higher sealing.
Imagine:
C: A Johnson
PF: Bargnani
SF: Derozan
Sg: Harden
PG:Lowry

The other team was Washington, they offered Beal and Singleton


What do you guys think would have been the best trade?

Gasupo

1.) 16 Oct 2017 17:13:51
beal might have made a huge difference in kd staying in okc.


2.) 16 Oct 2017 18:33:58
If not trading isn't an option, Beal. It's hard to judge in retrospect though. Lamb looked like a potentially solid player with upside and Martin was coming off a huge year.


3.) 16 Oct 2017 18:50:54
On the surface i think the Washington offer was best. There is no way to know what impact those offers would have made on future moves though.


 

 

16 Oct 2017 08:58:17
Miami: A Horford+ 1rnd pick clippers and Vancouver

Boston: H Whiteside

I really like Horford and he's a great player for Boston, but they need a defensive center. And they can't take another big contract unless they trade Horford, who's 31 years old, so they should trade him before he becomes a bad contract. They should try to get Gobert first, but Whiteside is a good second if that fails.

The Heat do this, because Dragic and Horford would be a good combo next year that will make the playoffs and they receive two draft picks, so they can develop some young talents and hit the free agent market in 2020

This Boston team could challenge Cleveland and Golden State
Boston:
C: Whiteside/ Ojeleye
PF: Morris/ Yabusele
SF: Hayward/ Tatum
SG: Smart/ Brown
PG: Irving/ Rozier

Gasupo

1.) 16 Oct 2017 12:39:42
Vancouver? Memphis moving home?

Don't hate the deal, Boston could use a more traditional Center while Miami is weak at the four. I think the C's will leave it alone for now though.


2.) 16 Oct 2017 13:35:38
damn i'm living in the 90's again :-)


3.) 16 Oct 2017 13:47:27
The Celtics would have two all nba players, a defensive center, that's a borderline all star. Two young talents on the bench, that could make the difference, when the stars are resting. And smart is playing for a bigg contract.
And they keep the Lakers pick, so they could draft an extra asset next year. (The Memphis pick is top 7 protected and the Clippers pick is lottery protected, so it's not a big lose) .

Horford is important, but they lost J Crowder and A Bradley.
The Celtics would have no proplem scoring. Irving and Hayward can both score and pass the ball, so horford's passing skills and 3-point shot would be less important (And Cleveland couldn't beat GS with Love, so Horford would propaply fail too against GS's system. )
You can't win a chamionship withoud defense.
Whiteside is a great rimprotector, so i believe he's the missing link for Boston.


4.) 16 Oct 2017 15:01:51
Gasupo, I'm not sure how you can put the finals loss on Love. He played reasonably well. The Cavs were just out manned. Guarding Curry and Durant, while not being able to come off Thompson is almost impossible even with great perimeter defenders. The Cavs had mediocre perimeter defenders at best. Not to mention that the Warriors defense is really good and they had the personnel to hold the Cavs shooters in check some what.


5.) 16 Oct 2017 15:50:14
I don't blame K Love for the loss, but he couldn't make the difference.
K Love or Horford can't hurt Golden state, because D Green will get his rebounds and he will get his passes to Curry, durant And Thompson. Every rebound Whiteside gets is a rebound Green can't pass to KD, Curry or Thompson.


6.) 16 Oct 2017 15:58:01
Hayward can guard Thompson
Irving can guard Curry
And Smart can guard Durant
Whiteside can guard D Green
Smart can't shoot, so KD, curry, Thompson can also guard Irving, Morris and Hayward.
They have an equal starting five on defence and offence

J Brown could guard Iguodala, so Boston would have a chance if Tatum and J Brown both develop offensive skills.


7.) 16 Oct 2017 16:18:16
Irving can't guard Curry, Durant probably has 9 inches on Smart, and Whiteside would struggle guarding Green on the perimeter and guarding Green would keep him away from the basket most of the time which is where he's most effective.


8.) 16 Oct 2017 16:20:54
Also, look at Love's rebounding in the finals. He and Lebron probably had 2/ 3s of the Cavs rebounds.


9.) 16 Oct 2017 17:21:36
id be happy with this return as miami. i think whiteside has pretty much hit his ceiling so miami should take this offer while his value is high. its hard to tell what miami’s franchise goals are rn, but the two picks are quite useful and horford is a great addition skills and leadership-wise. and i agree with op, a defensive big is boston’s biggest hole, and whiteside is a great B-option if gobert is out of reach.


 

 

15 Oct 2017 08:47:56
NY: Ingram+ Tatum+ Deng+ swap option LA pick+La pick 2020

Boston: Porzingis+ O'quin

LA: Monroe+ Kuzninskas+ Payton+ return LA Pick

Bucks: Clarckson+ C Lee


NY is going to win 35-40 games with Porzingis, so they can't tank and draft a second star. So they trade him for 2 young talents on a rookie contract for a few years. And they get a swap option with the LA pick, so they have a good chance drafting a third good young player.

Boston needs an extra big to beat Cleveland.Tatum could be a star, but Porzingis is a proven star, so giving up Tatum+ a good draft pick is fair.

LA wouldn't give up Ingram in a Deng trade, but they get a good draft pick in return (their own or the NY pick). So LA could go all in in free agency and they have a draft pick they can use to get an extra asset.

I don't think Milwaukee could atract a good free agent, so Clarckson and C Lee are two good roll players on a good contract

Gasupo

1.) 15 Oct 2017 15:10:50
Boston doesn't own the LA pick outright. They get the la pick next year only if it falls between #2-5. If La pick is outside #2-5, boston then gets the kings 2019 #1 (with #1 overall pick protection. If the kings pick happens to be the top overall pick, then boston gets the sixers 2019 #1 instead. ) . With 4 or 5 really big talents in the 2018 draft, it makes this pick a lot less desirable on the trade market.


2.) 15 Oct 2017 15:20:40
IMO, I think with the additions of Lopez at center, KCP at sg, Ball at the point, and ingram, randle, and nance all improving the Laker pick has a great chance landing in that 7- 14 range. Would you roll the dice on the kings 2019 pick (who knows what that draft class will look like and what the kings will do) and lose Porzingis. I wouldnt.


3.) 15 Oct 2017 17:34:46
Losing their own pick would make them worse, so they can draft doncic or Porter

Porter+ Ingram+ Tatum+ 2020 LA pick is a great return for NY, so i would gamble on this one.


4.) 15 Oct 2017 18:53:48
Not sure I follow your logic about "La losing their pick so it will make them worse" statement. They drafted ball this year, they will play the season, then lose their pick. It can't possibly make them worse this year and increase the chances of getting doncic or porter. Am i missing something here Gasupo?


5.) 16 Oct 2017 04:27:52
I don't think Boston would want the Zinger, O'Quinn maybe.

Giving up Tatum and a pick for KP would only hurt the C's in the long run, that kid will always have back problems

My guess is they'll wait to see how the Pels are doing and if they can trade for Boogie at the TD they'd be happy. But don't think they'd trade Tatum, my guess would be they would trade Brown instead in any deal.


6.) 16 Oct 2017 09:18:13
@Jvoug, i ment losing Porzingis would make NY worse, so they get a higher draft pick.


7.) 16 Oct 2017 17:32:12
@billj boston definitely wants the zinger.


8.) 16 Oct 2017 19:28:42
Sorry Gasupo. I miss understood. Makes sense now. Knicks without porzingis would be a definite top 3pick.


9.) 17 Oct 2017 01:23:27
I really don't think they want him, if they did he'd be on the team now. KP had back problems last year and for that reason I think that's why this trade wouldn't and didn't happen. This year, or the off season they need to get a true big and I think Boogie could be that player. Who knows, they could throw Fort Knox at NOLA for AD, because that's what it would take to get him.


 

 

14 Oct 2017 01:29:25
Boston: Gobert

Utah: Ingram+ Tatum+ J Brown+Deng+ 1rnd pick Bucks.

Lakers:Monroe+ J Johnson+ return LA pick (or sacramento pick)

Bucks: Clarckson+ Morris

Gasupo

1.) 14 Oct 2017 05:34:09
I think Ingram alone would be more than enough to get some one to take on Deng's contract. By the time you would need to resign him Deng's contract would be over.

I also think that Boston would need to give up more.


2.) 14 Oct 2017 06:04:12
Boston gave up Brown, Tatum, Morris and LA/ SAC pick for Gobert? No way Boston do that even if they need someone like Gobert. They will be too thin on wings when that happens. Maybe something like one of Tatum or Brown, Yabusele and the pick. Maybe.


3.) 14 Oct 2017 06:38:00
I didn't catch that they gave of the La/ sac pick. Makes sense, I like it.


4.) 14 Oct 2017 11:32:44
this could end up being a historically great trade for utah if all 3 three of those guys reach their all star potential. imagine rubio distributing to those 3, defensive nightmare. for boston, i would offer either brown/ tatum. gobert is great but he doesn’t project to contribute the same offense as one of those guys so u are really betting on hayward giving u 20 ppg the next few years. unless they could bring in someone else to offer that if hayward starts to decline around 30. so ainge better restock the asset cabinet after this trade.


5.) 14 Oct 2017 14:56:28
I would love this trade for one simple reason: To watch Gobert and Embiid battle for the next 5 years.


6.) 15 Oct 2017 08:46:12
Boston need a defensive center, if they want to defeat Cleveland and Golden state.
And they have no capspace so they have to give up Horford or (Morris+ Tatum+ J Brown) or they will only make the eastern finals.

This is a really good starting five
C: gobert
Pf: horford
SF: Hayward
SG: Smart
Pg: Irving.


 

 

 

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16 Oct 2017 16:04:25
What team could give I thomas a max contract?

Gasupo

1.) 17 Oct 2017 08:14:49
Maybe Knicks or bulls.


2.) 17 Oct 2017 15:35:07
If Lebron stays, Cleveland is his best hope for a contract close to the max. He's almost thirty, so unless it's on a short deal, most younger teams that will have space probably won't have a ton of interest and it's hard to imagine current competitive teams being willing to carve out a max contract to sign him unless they possibly strike out else where.


 

 

05 Oct 2017 19:01:13
Cle: Whiteside+ Dragic

Miami:Shumpert+ smith+ thompson+ 1rnd pick Nets+1rn pick Cleveland 2021

Gasupo

 

 

04 Oct 2017 10:25:49
Cle: Russell+ Y Lin+ booker

Nets:Shumpert+ smith+ 1rnd pick Nets

Gasupo

 

 

28 Sep 2017 11:36:18
New York: tatum+ LA pick+ Clippers pick

Boston: Porzingis

Gasupo

1.) 28 Sep 2017 12:08:17
Replace Tatum with Smart.


2.) 28 Sep 2017 13:31:59
Smart wouldn't get that deal done. It would atleast have to be Brown.


3.) 28 Sep 2017 19:26:23
comme on RAD23, this is a good trade for both teams.

celtics
C: Porzingis
PF:Horford
SF:Hayward
SG: smart
PG: Irving
bench: Morris/ J Brown/ rozier
This team will beat Cleveland and could beat Golden State
(Funny, the only guy that can't shoot is the shooting guard)

And NY get's a great return for a rebuilt.
Tatum is younger and on a longer contract. and trading Porzingis will make them worse this year, so their draft pick go's up. they could draft Doncic and Porter next year.


4.) 29 Sep 2017 00:54:00
Don't get me wrong I'd take it just brown looks to have a better upside than smart.


5.) 29 Sep 2017 00:55:19
Tatum I mean.


6.) 29 Sep 2017 21:49:11
I'd take Tatum over Brown. We haven't seen enough yet to say he'll be a star, but he looked good in the summer league. Brown looked like he could develop into a great player, but he looks like a lot less of a garauntee so far.


 

 

27 Sep 2017 20:29:22
Just a fantasy trade, but would this be enough for AD?

Milwaukee: A Davis

NO: J Parker+ Maker+ Brogdon+ Middleton+ 1rnd pick 2018-2020-2022

Gasupo

1.) 27 Sep 2017 20:46:48
That should be enough for both Davis and Cousins. Pels would accept that in a heart beat. Young starting lineup and future assets can't get better than that.


2.) 29 Sep 2017 12:15:52
If that happens, what will happen with Giannis and Davis with some garbage? no sense i think.


 

 

 

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18 Oct 2017 12:01:14
comme on Triangle.

McCollum is 26, they already have Ntilikina.
They would still win 35-40 games
They still can't sign another big free agent and they still stay mediocre.
If NY trades Porzingis, it should be for younger players and draft picks.
It's the only way to create a superteam and become a contender.

Gasupo

 

 

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18 Oct 2017 08:27:03
@BMiller

The Knicks should go for a rebuilt, not trade a young star for an older star.

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18 Oct 2017 00:06:08
Cleveland is getting to much, but i think this trade would make Portland a better team. The combo K Love+ Nurkic would be great. And IT could be an awesome sixth man in that team.

And NY should go for a total rebuilt. They would win 35-40 games with Porzingis, so they can't draft a great player and they can't sign a bigg free agent. This could make Porzingis unhappy. Trading him for the Nets pick, gives their own pick more value.
Tanking is the best way to create a superteam. They could end up with the two top picks and draft Porter and Doncic. And they could draft Barret the year after.

This could be a contender by 2023
C: Collins
PF: Zigic
SF :Porter
SG: Barret
PG: Doncic.

Gasupo

 

 

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17 Oct 2017 18:04:10
I wouldn't trade the Nets pick for Drummond.

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17 Oct 2017 18:03:00
The Heat need a four and Portis could be a good fit in that team, but no way they trade Winslow for him.

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