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21 Jun 2017 21:33:23
Cavs Jordan Crawford
Clippers #4 felder
Suns love rivers.

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22 Jun 2017 00:16:46
like it but if i'm the suns i'm not giving my 4 pick to get love.

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22 Jun 2017 06:07:27
So Cavs trade Love for Jordan Crawford. in what fantasy?

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21 Jun 2017 16:29:43
Although Wade opted in, I'd still trade Butler and allow Wade to recruit. Thoughts....

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21 Jun 2017 18:31:18
Is there anything to recruit to once Butler is gone? Wade is about done, who knows what you're going to get out of Rondo, and the rest of the team is pretty bad. Unless they can pull an amazing haul for Butler, they're looking at a 4 or 5 year rebuild.

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21 Jun 2017 21:44:30
Who did Wade have to recruit with in 09??

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21 Jun 2017 23:33:04
He was a top 5 player at the time. He's 2 or 3 years away from retiring and may not even be a starting level player next year.

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22 Jun 2017 02:22:09
Wade isn't recruiting anyone at this stage of his career. If Bulls want to attract FA they should keep Butler end of story. They haven't been able to successfully build around Butler past few years (Rondo and Wade were awful fits with him) . I think the issue with Bulls is in the front office. Dealing Butler doesn't really help that but it buys you more time since if they got say #3 pick and next years Brooklyn pick those guys would likely still be around when they finally make front office changes where Butler is likely gone in two years.

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21 Jun 2017 15:45:06
TWolves - Knicks - Celtics

TW trade: #7, Ricky Rubio, Goergi Dieng, 2019 unprotected 1st
TW get: Porzingis, Noah

K trade: Porzingis, Noah
K get: #7, Rubio, Bradley, TW 2019 pick, C 2017 2nd

C trade: Bradley, 2017 2nd
C get: Dieng

Sign Holiday brothers: Jrue 4yr/80m, Justin 3yr/20m
Let Muhammad, Rush, Payne go
Sign Sefelosha 2yr/5m, Gibson 2yr/20m

Pg: Holiday, Dunn, Jones
Sg: Lavine, Holiday, Vet Min
Sf: Wiggins, Sefelosha
Pf: Porzingis, Gibson, Bjelica
C: Towns, Noah, Aldrich

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21 Jun 2017 21:17:03
No way the Celtics trade away Bradley and a second and only get Deing back. Maybe if we got a 1st round pick but Bradley alone would be to much for Dieng. The TWolves would be dumb to do this because they only need a PF but they shouldn't trade some of their valuable assets for Porzingus. This deal doesn't help anyone.

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22 Jun 2017 02:38:02
Celtics would be wise to deal Bradley because he is an expiring contract due a large pay raise next year when Celtics will also need to pay IT and Smart. Dealing him for Dieng only makes sense if Celtics don't want to make a run at Hayward (I think they would be foolish not to) since he makes a fair bit more than Bradley and Celtics hardly have enough cap space to give Hayward the max as is. If they opted for Butler instead Dieng wouldn't be a bad option as a youngish, defensive big who is a better rebounder than anyone they have and signed long-term to a reasonable contract.

I completely disagree with CS13 on Twolves getting Porzingis. Porzingis is probably 2nd best prospect in the NBA to KAT. Having both on the same team would be unfair given their size, skill, and athleticism. Both need to improve defensively but they have the physical tools in place to be great on that end and I have faith in Thibs. Twolves are not giving up too much as Porzingis is already a pretty good player on a cheap contract and only 21 and Twolves would still have Dunn, LaVine, Wiggins and KAT. That would be a killer lineup and although Dunn may not be ready they have plenty of cap space to go sign Drose or somebody for 2 years to hold them over. Affording that team long term would be difficult (a la Thunder a few years ago) but they could easily trade anyone of those guys in a few years and get a solid return from a team with a bunch of assets looking for a higher caliber player. Twolves already have a bright future but adding Porzingis would make it even brighter.

I don't like Knicks dealing Porzingis and don't think this trade makes them any better. Rubio and Bradley are solid players but Bradley will in a year take all that money you saved by getting rid of Noah and #7 and #8 picks likely don't match their timeline. You end up trading a superstar and aren't highly likely to get one with #7 (certainly not caliber of Porzingis) . Don't think it makes Knicks considerably better in short term (maybe they make playoffs in they keep Melo) but severely hurts them in long-term since they won't have a cornerstone like Porzingis to build around and attract talent for them.

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22 Jun 2017 02:38:04
not a chance Porzingis is worth 2 fairly high 1st rd picks and Rubio and Dieng and the absorption of Noah's huge contract.

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21 Jun 2017 14:32:57
As much as I'm a fan of Lowry I say trade him.

Bring in a proven Sf that is young and can grow. Joesph and Wright will be the future pg in Toronto and we did well without Lowry.

Sign and trade Lowry for a young player and draft pick.

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21 Jun 2017 15:32:52
A sign and trade all depends on Lowry. I doubt anyone will be willing to give him the super max. Especially if they have to give up assets to give it to him. So it would all depend on a capped out team signing Lowry. I don't see a ton of interested from capped out teams looking at him.

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21 Jun 2017 15:38:51
Prob should have done that when you had any leverage. No one is doing a sign and trade. Too old for that length and he isn't worth it.

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22 Jun 2017 02:39:03
Raptors best bet would be to sign Lowry since they aren't going to get much back for him in a sign and trade (teams never do) .

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21 Jun 2017 14:21:17
The Knicks are just awful at this point. The few actually good player(s) that they have with upside they are willing to trade because they are upset with how the organization is being run. They should keep Porzingus(spelt wrong) and build around him. They should draft the French PG with the 8th pick and then try to move up either into the late 1st round or early 2nd round and get Josh Hart. I know he isn't amazing but I think he can turn into a great sixth man. If the Knicks were smart they would look to try to make a deal with the Nets and the Trailblaizers that would send Melo to the Nets and the Knicks would receive one of the Trail Blaizers 1st round picks and they can bolster their SF position by selecting a guy like Justin Jackson from UNC. They are still stuck with Noah's contract so their is no reason to draft a center high in this years draft who will be forced to sit behind Noah for 3 more years(you don't pay a guy $72 million and put him on the bench). I think they would be smart to use their last 2nd rounder on a guy like Kennedy Meeks from UNC. Having a lineup of

French PG
Lee/Hart
Jackson
Porzingous
Noah/Meeks

With obviously more depth behind that. That is actually not a half bad team but I doubt this happens and I see the Knicks just exploding and pushing their on going rebuild back many years by trading Porzingus and signing older players to mega deals because they think they are in win now mode

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22 Jun 2017 02:42:01
very rare Knicks proposal that is realistic. To get one of Portland's picks, #20 or #26 at this point, the knicks would need to take Turner or Leonard and give back a couple of future 2nd rounders.

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21 Jun 2017 07:15:11
What is Denver Nuggets guard Jamal Murray's trade value?

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21 Jun 2017 08:24:52
I think he'd definitely be a lottery pick in this years draft and probably top 10 though in 7-10 range. He is a bit of a tweener in large part due to his limited athleticism but in his first season he proved to be a solid role player on a borderline playoff team. He is fairly young (turned 20 in February; so did Josh Jackson) and his strong basketball IQ helps make up for some of his limited athleticism. Percentage wise he wasn't that great of a shooter (34% from 3) but based off his form, college #'s and his FT % he should be able to get that up to around 40% eventually. His strengths are his shooting ability and ability to play both guard positions but his biggest weakness is his lack of athleticism which hurts him on defensive end and offensively in creating space. I'd say he is kind of similar to Monk as a shooter and tweener but not half the athlete Monk is and Murray has a much higher bball IQ/ ball skills than Monk.

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21 Jun 2017 14:01:58
I remember reading his player comps coming out of college and they said his upside is Chauncey Billups (not a great athlete but a great scorer/ shooter and point guard) . Downside is Randy Foye who is a similar tweener type who showed flashes but could never really put it together and live up to being a top 10 pick. He is still a serviceable pro that has experienced a long career.

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21 Jun 2017 02:34:09
Looks like Lakers are going to select Lonzo Ball. Will they trade the pick and go down a bit and get some more assets? I think Lonzo can last until 4 or 5.

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21 Jun 2017 06:36:53
If Lakers think Lonzo is 2nd best prospect they shouldn't trade down but if they are indifferent between him and Fox I think they should definitely trade down with Suns since chances are one of them will be there at #4. Suns reportedly are high on Ball tho so doubt he makes it past them at #4.

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21 Jun 2017 06:37:39
Just to mess things up. Lakers take Jackson with #2 pick.
Boston wants him so trade for the 3rd pick and another future pick. Then pick Ball with 3rd pick hearing Suns want Ball so trade him to them for 4th pick and another pick or add Len, Bender or Chriss. Then trade the 4th pick to Sac so they can get Fox and Lakers get 5th and 10th.
We get the best players available and also pick up some other assets in the meantime.
I would love to see this as a Laker fan just to mess with the other teams. I know this won't happen but it would be funny.

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21 Jun 2017 08:04:05
toolguy that would be funny to see but Kings wouldn't give up 5th and 10th for the 4th, they declined 5th and 10th for the 2nd pick.

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21 Jun 2017 02:32:23
Charlotte gets Dwight Howard and 31st pick

Hawks getting Plumlee,Bellinelli and 41st pick

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21 Jun 2017 06:41:26
Trade actually happened. I knew Howard's value was low but not this low, Hawks aren't really getting anything in this trade expect some slight cap relief (although Plumlee's contract is a year longer) .

Its an indication that Hawks are probably finally going to imbrace a complete rebuild (probably a season or two too late since they are about to lose both Horford and Millsap for nothing) .

Charlotte is mediocre at best and this trade doesn't really change that but I think it was a low risk move for them to get Howard. I'm curious to see if they'll use their #11 draft pick to try and add another piece to try and make a win-now push. Cody Zeller was playing well for them prior to his injury last year so this trade hurts him as Howard will most likely start.

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21 Jun 2017 02:32:07
Trades are going down

Lopez/27th for Russell + Mozgov

Howard + 31st for Plumlee + Bellineli + 41st

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21 Jun 2017 06:54:12
Yep and probably more on the way leading up to the draft. The Lakers trade I thought was bad for them especially the timing of it. The only way I could justify it is if they add George in next few days too. I think Lakers should've at least tried to see if Russell and Ball could work for a little bit. Also, they don't really need to clear that cap space now (unless they have something major up their sleeves) and would be better suited to do this trade next offseason when Russell would have opportunity to increase his value (after a down sophomore year don't think he could hurt it) and another year would be off Mozgov's contract making it easier to move. They also, would be able to better gauge the FA market and see if they actually need all this cap space. Also, Lopez is in final year of his contract and probably would've been open to signing with Lakers since he is from LA.

For Nets makes sense since they've been shopping Lopez for awhile and they need to get a return for him in his final year. They are looking to the long-term so Mozgov doesn't really hurt them and Russell and ex #2 overall pick has the opportunity to be a potential all-star and would be their best player already.

The other trade I think Hornets won. It was a low risk move to get Howard since they really didn't give up much. For the Hawks this is them admitting defeat and finally blowing it up probably a few years too late. Howard obvi didn't want to be around for this so they essentially gave him away so he can finish his contract elsewhere.

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21 Jun 2017 01:50:27
Could anyone please explain to me why in the world the Lakers gave a 4yr 64 million contract to Timofey Mozgov in the first place?

At the time he was a guy who Cavs had given up 2 1st rounders for previously but had most recently fallen out of the rotation and gotten very few minutes in the playoffs not to mention offseason knee surgery which had him not looking like his old self. He seemed like a prime candidate to be the type of guy who would sign a short deal to re-establish his value but no the Lakers give him not only a lot of money annually but a 4 year contract. To make it even worse it was like the first signing of free agency so they didn't even see what the market for centers was like.

Not only was Mozgov not worth that much money but he didn't make sense with the timeline of that team. The Lakers were young and bad and Mozgov wasn't going to change that. They should have had some foresight that if one of their young guys picked up his play they could in a few years be in the running for top-tier free agents because it is LA.

Then Lakers followed it up with signing Deng a day later to even more money at 4yr 72 mill. I understand the need for veteran presence and the value they bring to locker room and practice and stuff as well as the spike in the salary cap but the combination of that much money and especially the length of the contracts are confusing to me.

Lakers aren't the only ones guilty of this as it was a general trend with the spike in salary cap but almost all of those deals are horrible a year later and teams are trying to rid themselves of them.

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21 Jun 2017 02:29:08
From what I've read the only discernible logic behind the Deng and Mozgov contracts was that they had previously been slow to target secondary free agents the past few years and missed out. So instead of striking out with bigger names they went hard after more realistic targets. I suppose, the market dictated the amount Mozgov received. If Biyombo and Noah were worth 4 years 72, 4 years 64 million for Mozgov wasn't unthinkable at the time hoping he could be the player he was his first year with the Cavs. He was a legitimate starting center that year.

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