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24 Sep 2018 14:37:59
Your top overrated players?

My list
1. Blake Griffin
2. Andrew Wiggins(could improve w/o butler)
3. Kyle Lowry

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24 Sep 2018 15:26:28
Id have to go with wiggins, and I don't think its even close.

I actually think Wiggins will get worse without butler. At least butler was in his teammates face about defensive intensity. Without butler, Wiggins will decline in defense (hes already one of the worst at his position) and likely just shoot it more, which he already does in an inefficient way. Also given his contract, he is just a negative all around.

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24 Sep 2018 15:57:06
I think griffin, Wiggins, Lowry are overpaid but I wouldn't define them as overrated, or that most people attribute greater play and ability to these 3 guys than they actually exhibit. I think Westbrook is overrated but not overpaid. Same for lillard. I think shroeder is overrated and overpaid as well by most people typically.

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24 Sep 2018 18:24:05
Griffin and Wiggins are overpaid, but I think it would be hard to find someone that thinks either is a top 20 player (now or potential wise) . Wiggins was rated properly for his potential, and he never met it, and his rating has tanked. Griffin was probably properly rated for his play, but it has fallen off, as has his rating.

I think Lowry is underrated and slightly overpaid. He is a top two player on the second best team in the NBA last year. Yet when making a list of the top 10 PGs, he's rarely on that list.

Draymond is a bit overrated when looking at the ESPN player rankings. He's not a top 20 player.

Jason Tatum is currently badly overrated. I like him a lot, and I think he has a chance to be a top 20 (maybe even top 10) player. But ranking him as the 24th best player in the NBA right now is insane.

And Westbrook is overrated as well. He's looked at as a top tier player with Lebron, Harden, Durant, etc. But realistically he's in the next tier with Lillard, George, Irving. He's a top 10-15 player, definitely not top 5.

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24 Sep 2018 20:15:41
To me play don't define what you already paid that player what if you got love for that player and pay him because you can.

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24 Sep 2018 13:00:03
Me, all knicks fans and Dolan are all tired of loosing

Ntilikina Hardaway Thomas Baker
For
Walker Batum

They dump Batum. Frank is the future

Lee Kanter 2019 unprotected
For
Butler Dieng

They dump Dieng and get pick. Lee descent replacement for Butler

Walker/Mudiay/Burke
Butler/Batum/Trier
Knox/Hezonja/Dotson
Robinson/Vonleh/Kornet
Porzingis/Dieng/Noah

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24 Sep 2018 15:06:27
Funny, both Paul Allen and Dolan have large cable companies and stink as nba owners? Wonder if there's a connection? A cable connection? Ha, ha, ha!

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22 Sep 2018 14:48:04
Lets say Leonard and Butler team up in Clippers and Durant joins Lakers..

Which is the better team??

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22 Sep 2018 15:35:02
Obviously the lakers

Lonzo-Hart-Durant-LeBron-McGee (Kuzma, Ingram)

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22 Sep 2018 21:42:15
I want to see the Lakers signs cousins if he come back great.
Ball
Hart
Ingram
James
Cousins
Sixth man kuzma.

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23 Sep 2018 05:15:11
Cousins doesn't win, play defense and has no playoff experience. Lakers need shooting.

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23 Sep 2018 12:25:10
Be good if lavar coaches lakers too
Lakers roster is a ticking time bomb don’t understand why magic signed these players I hear they are only on 1 year deals so what Lebron is going to have to slow down soon
Go Celtics.

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21 Sep 2018 11:12:47
Can't wait to see ball new shooting form and how beautiful it looks and improved like magic says. Well he did shoot 41 from the 3 in college

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21 Sep 2018 14:32:07
Yeah. Magic is clearly never a self promoter. I’m sure that’s an unbiased opinion that his first major draft pick isn’t a bust.

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21 Sep 2018 15:27:45
Ball isn't a bust, he played very good for a rookie. Way better than nkilitina and no one is talking bust about him yet. When people do, nkilitina's age gets brought up and that he's only 20. Isn't that true for ball as well and he had the more productive rookie season?

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21 Sep 2018 16:02:53
Agree ball is far from a bust. He hadd a solid year and played defense.

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21 Sep 2018 16:14:21
That’s he difference between the second and 9 pick. Besides, frank was good at d. That’s what he was expected. No one is talking about him because he was the 9th pick. That’s historically a crap shoot.

Ball was historically one of the worst shooters. Shooting under 50% from the free throw line indicates serious issues with shooting. Now you are taking the ball out of his hands. Aka he will be a major offensive liability. His defense was statistically average at best. Taking him over Tatum? Smart. That’s the problem. Ball will be compared to what most considered to be a better prospect. Ergo thus far he’s a bust.

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21 Sep 2018 16:16:32
I also don’t understand that statement. Ball isn’t a bust unless you agree that the person taken 7 picks is as well? I’m not a fan of frank. Think he was overrated and still is. And I think the same for ball. They both could be busts and I feel they will be. It’s jut far different when the 9th is a bust versus the second.

I just think it’s funny. Literally one of the worst shooters ever with a broken shot. And after a few months magic says his shot is beautiful and fans are gullible enough to believe him?

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21 Sep 2018 17:00:23
Simmons and ball are both terrible shooters but they pass and handle the ball well. The knicks were playing ntilikina at SG? A bad shooter moved to SG? Drafted as a PG yet no confidence in his handles mid way through the season? Neither of these guys are done with the nba just yet but Lonzo ball isn't a bad player. That's just ridiculous.

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21 Sep 2018 17:15:56
How is ten seven and seven a bust as a rookie who was in gym all summer improving and adjusting to the NBA. Second team all rookie and missed what 30 games. Ball being a bust is your opinion. i want to see his second year before I say busyt or just wasnt worth second pick.

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21 Sep 2018 17:55:10
Ball clearly isn't a bust, he just doesn't have an incredibly high ceiling to most people. He'll be a nice role player.

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21 Sep 2018 17:58:01
Again. He had those stats on one of the worst teams in the league.

He will have less assists over he won’t be the primary ball handler. And he again was historically bad shooter.

I don’t understand how the argument is that frank isn’t good. I agree. They both were bad compared to expectations.

Balls shooting was what, 36/ 30/ 41. That’s horrific. He was the second pick. That’s just dreadful. Perhaps not a bust, but definitely very scary when a player is THAT bad of a shooter. The free throws was the scariest part.

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21 Sep 2018 18:47:34
I brought up ntilikina because he is a PG and he was drafted in the lottery of 2017. It's not a ntilikina slam, its a Lonzo ball isn't a bust defense. If ntilikina has support in the league then ball rightfully deserves some as well.

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21 Sep 2018 20:46:44
Btec both were wasted lottery picks.

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21 Sep 2018 21:34:18
The success of the guys taken directly after them factors in the disappointment too right? LA should have Tatum. That should bum Laker fans out. Tatum, Ball, and Fultz will always be linked. At this point, it looks like Phili and LA will regret that order for a decade.

Also, if I'm picking top 3 or 4, I'm expecting an all star caliber player. At 6-10, not as much. I'm hoping for an above average starter.

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21 Sep 2018 22:48:28
No draft pick is a guarantee. You can't say 1-6 are eventually all star caliber players because people choose wrong. The draft is a gamble in every way. (Fultz) It seems good now because there are sons of fathers who played nba basketball pumping into the league at a high rate right now. It will slow down, and draft picks will be traded like underwear again in the nba. Foreign nba players kids will be another big tide change in the NBA in about 5-10 years.

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21 Sep 2018 22:50:08
ll let him hate more. It’s his opinion. So what if Lonzo is a bust or not. For us Lakers fan, we are hoping that he’ll improve. Only one year in the league and there’s a lot of chance left. We’ll see.

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22 Sep 2018 01:52:56
Let James do his work with bal and rondo.

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22 Sep 2018 02:00:16
Nothing wrong with hoping. But to go, wow magic said his shot is beautiful now. He’s going to be great.

That’s just nonsense. All of what bmiller said is true. Top 5 or so are supposed to be franchise changers. Top 3. Have to be. That’s why management gets fired. Ball is clearly way behind Tatum. Thus when compared with him, Ball is a bust. That’s all.

Besides. Frank is a waste. Knicks should have had balls and taken Donovan like the rumors said.

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22 Sep 2018 05:04:34
You blow simple things out of proportion. Like I said I wanted to see what magic was taking about you respond like I said I guarantee ball shot will improve and he be a complete difference maker like magic said. Ball was a fourth option on a borderline play off team. With James there now top 4 team.

The Lakers are built on play makers and defenders. They going to ware you down and let James close the games. If ball and rondo can average 12 to 15 points, Hart average ten, beasly 7 to 9 Stevenson 6 to 8. kuzma 16 and Ingram 19 to 21 plus kcp 12to 14 and McGee 4 plus James 27 plus, there going to be great. its going to come down to defending the shooters on golden state and Houston for the Lakers. And James actually taking the last shot himself.

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22 Sep 2018 17:51:43
Nope. I read what you wrote. Which was Can't wait to see ball new shooting form and how beautiful it looks

That’s foolish


Also. To give you an idea of how foolish you are. If they average that. The lakers average about 150 a game. Go on.

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22 Sep 2018 21:59:39
After looks I said like magic said. never agreed just said I wanted to see.

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23 Sep 2018 01:38:50
And I wrote that you think the lakers will average like 150 points a game and broke it all down. Care to explain that?

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23 Sep 2018 22:13:47
I used in between and got 125. The players average don't match the teams ppg.

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24 Sep 2018 01:21:54
Actually, if you use the bottom numbers you get 125. Which means worst case you are predicting a top 3 offensive team in league history. no ones scored near that amount in about 37 years.

Great thinking as always.

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24 Sep 2018 03:33:49
Actually it's 115. Sorry for my 2sense. U Guys are hilarious.

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24 Sep 2018 11:13:58
Right but you can add each players ppg stats and it not the same as the teams average points per game. Like last year Andre Ingram averaged like 12 points a game but barely played. So adding up the player averaged does not equal the teams PPG average. Your ridiculous dude.

Lakers offense was number 11 with james they should be like top 5. I say 111 per game this year.

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24 Sep 2018 15:39:39
Ball - 12
Rond0 - 12
Hart - 10
Beasly - 7
Stevenson - 6
Kuzma -16
Ingram - 19
KCP - 12
McGee - 4
Lebron - 27

That equals 125. I think you didn't include Hart because he wrote out ten, instead of putting 10.

The point is, this is just a homer post. This is the same as OKC fans who were like, oh, we are getting melo. Now add melo, PG13 and Westbrook, and now we have like 75pts per game. It doesn't work that way. You have Lebron averaging among the most in his career, Rondo averaging the best in years, Kuzma, Ingram, Ball, Hart, all scoring more. There still is one ball. stop being a homer. This is foolish.

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24 Sep 2018 18:20:34
First all I had ball and Hart averaging just two more points because I think from there rookie to sophomore year they can improve a little.

I got kuzma at the same because he not going to get as many touches but he should improve so stayed same.

Ingram going to improve a little so his shooting and scoring go up.

Kcp actually about the same.

This team looks like Miami heat averages but James there best player other then dragic.

You can add all teams player point averages and it will be way more then the teams average pointsper game.

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20 Sep 2018 17:00:14
De'Aron Fox or Dennis Smith Jr??

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21 Sep 2018 02:58:52
Smith jr. Has the better size if the 2, is older, but I like smith jr. More as an nba'er.

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23 Sep 2018 03:36:38
This one is tough. It really just depends on what kind of system you want. They are both young with great potential. I would say Fox just because I like his playing style more he's faster and more athletic. Again either one is good

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Sporting Villains Part 1: Spain's Paralympic Basketball Team 2000

20 Sep 2018 16:22:28
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Sporting Villains Part 1: Spain's Paralympic Basketball Team 2000

Possibly, probably even, the biggest sporting scandal of all time begins our new Sporting Villains series.

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Sporting Villains Part 1: Spain's Paralympic Basketball Team 2000

20 Sep 2018 16:22:28
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Sporting Villains Part 1: Spain's Paralympic Basketball Team 2000

Possibly, probably even, the biggest sporting scandal of all time begins our new Sporting Villains series.

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Sporting Villains Part 1: Spain's Paralympic Basketball Team 2000

20 Sep 2018 16:22:28
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Sporting Villains Part 1: Spain's Paralympic Basketball Team 2000

Possibly, probably even, the biggest sporting scandal of all time begins our new Sporting Villains series.

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Sporting Villains Part 1: Spain's Paralympic Basketball Team 2000

20 Sep 2018 16:22:28
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Sporting Villains Part 1: Spain's Paralympic Basketball Team 2000

Possibly, probably even, the biggest sporting scandal of all time begins our new Sporting Villains series.

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21 Sep 2018 15:29:10
Why does this crap get posted? Someone edits this nonsense, why allow this crap through?

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20 Sep 2018 09:43:29
If Butler gets traded to his preferred destinations will the Celtics trade Irving fearing he will join Butler in free agency.

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20 Sep 2018 13:14:19
The celtics are the second deepest team in the league, maybe the first. Take Irving away and they aren't considered a serious east contender. Easy no. There is little evidence to support Irving would bail on the celtics for the clippers, Lakers, or knicks. It would be dumb if Ainge wants to have a shot at or win a title this season.

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20 Sep 2018 16:08:26
I've said it before, but I really think Boston would be making a huge mistake by trading Irving or Rozier.

If they trade Irving, they're committing to Rozier as their starter moving forward. Being in a contract year, that has the makings for a guy that has a huge year, gets paid huge, then has major regressions.

If they trade Rozier, they have no backup plan if Irving bails. They would have to find a new PG (likely trading Brown to get a decent one) or start Smart. Neither is a good option.

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20 Sep 2018 16:47:21
The good, Clippers are in a great position to land 2 big names after this season.

The bad, still not going to get to the finals.

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20 Sep 2018 18:22:32
Now that Butler wants to go to the Clippers it makes more sense that Kawhi would team up with him rather than Irving, which would more than likely keep Kyrie in Boston. (this is if you believe the BS that the media throws on the walls)

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21 Sep 2018 03:08:28
I think Leonard would be better with lbj than butler. I'm not a laker homer either. Butler and Leonard would take away from each other offensively. Defensively they are a top 10 team just with Leonard and butler and any old scrubs to fill the other positions.

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