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19 Sep 2017 19:06:42
Knicks - Rockets - Thunder

Knicks gets:
Kanter
Singler
McDermott
Taylor (Waive)
Quarterman (Waive)
Long (Waive)
2020 1st Rockets (top 5 protected)

Rockets gets:
Anthony

Thunder gets:
Anderson
O'Quinn
2020 2nd Rockets

Agree7 Disagree11

20 Sep 2017 23:05:07
Anderson isn't a bad fit in OKC,
one off the best C Anthony to Houston trades i've seen.

19 Sep 2017 17:30:03
The Lakers get Monroe, Frye, Jefferson, Felder, Tavares, and a 2nd from the Bucks and Cavs

The Bucks get Deng, Randle, Shumpert, and Clarkson

The Cavs get Delly and Henson

The Lakers get the expiring contracts they need to open even more space for them to put together a super team next year. They don't give up any picks, which will be important to fill out their roster in the future, they keep the two young players that they want to build around, Randle won't be resigned anyway if they end up paying 2 or 3 superstars in the off season, and Clarkson would also have to be dealt if they want to get 3 stars.

The Bucks get 2 solid young players that can help them score and 2 veterans that can shoot a little and defense without giving up any of their long term pieces.

The Cavs turn some of their expiring contracts into a player in Delly who could be really useful especially before IT is healthy and Henson who can block shots. This provides depth without giving up anything of long term value, gets them below 15 on the roster, and saves them a few million dollars this year.

Agree12 Disagree12

19 Sep 2017 18:12:21
Bucks say NO!

20 Sep 2017 23:06:49
I still believe Randle can become good, it's a fair trade, but i don't think the Bucks need him.

19 Sep 2017 12:24:47
Cavs - Knicks

Cavs gets:
Lee
O'Quinn

Knicks gets:
Shumpert
Tavares
Felder
2021 1st Cavs (Lottery protected)

Cavs gets a 3 and D player in Lee to strength their bench and a backup center in O'Quinn.

Knicks do this trade to get a future first and give more minutes to younger players.

Maybe the protection should be top 20?

Agree15 Disagree13

19 Sep 2017 14:07:31
Knicks really get nothing in that deal, and give up a decent rotation big in O'Quinn. NY should pass hard on that one.

19 Sep 2017 14:26:46
It doesn't really seem worth it for the Cavs. I don't see much separation between Zizic and O'quinn, until IT is healthy a 4th pg is more valuable than another guy who can play center, and I feel like unless someone clearly better than Jr comes available there's no point in trading for another sg. The Cavs are the favorites to land Wade after a buyout and already have 4 or 5 players who can give decent minutes at the position.

19 Sep 2017 01:30:24
New Orleans-Indiana

New Orleans get : T.Young

Indiana get : A.Ajinca, E.Moore top 12 protected 1st rd pick

this gives Pelicans a solid back up for Boogie and AD while the Pacers gain a 1st and gives more playing time to their young bigs

Pelicans
sign G.Green to vet min

Rondo-Clark-Jackson
Holiday-Crawford
Allen-Hill-Green
Davis-Young-Diallo
Cousins-Asik

Agree4 Disagree13

19 Sep 2017 04:46:02
Starting Allen and Rondo around Cousins and AD would
cause a ton of problems for the Pelicans offense. Teams could sag into the paint and bring the double off either guy if one of the two bigs gets the ball in the paint. Cousins and Davis wouldn't have much room to work at all. I think Moore's high level shooting is much more useful for the Pelicans than having a better back up pf.

19 Sep 2017 20:39:29
Wow. I actually agree with RKenne.

18 Sep 2017 15:21:48
MILWAUKEE-New York-CLEVELAND-Indiana

Milwaukee receives:
V. Oladipo (IND)
T. Young (IND)
L. Thomas (NYK)

New York receives:
T. Thompson (CLE)
M. Teletovic (MKE)

Cleveland receives:
C Anthony (NYK)
A. Jefferson (IND)
M. Delladova (MKE)

Indiana receives:
G. Monroe (MKE)
J. Henson (MKE)
J.R. Smith (CLE)
I. Shumpert (CLE)

Agree6 Disagree21

18 Sep 2017 15:36:25
Indiana will not give up Oladipo at least not for this. Indiana gave up George for Victor and Sabonis so the value has to be high on them plus Indiana has Jefferson and Turner still so adding Henson and Monroe wouldn't make sense.

19 Sep 2017 13:34:57
Maybe if Love was traded to Indiana it would work instead of JR or Shumpert?

19 Sep 2017 15:37:09
DL, so the Cavs trade Love and Thompson (really the only two players on the roster that can start at center and their two best rebounders) to get back Melo (the Cavs didn't even want him in a package for Irving), Delly (would be a third string point guard and only play limited minutes in the playoffs), and Jefferson (really doesn't fit the offense and would only get minutes because there wouldn't be anyone else to fill them at center)? I'm not sure if the Cavs do the original trade, but just throwing in Love is ridiculous.

I also don't think the Pacers would be interested in Love since they're looking to rebuild and he is 29.

The only team that would definitely say yes to either version of this trade is the Bucks. They give up almost nothing and get back a decent starter in Young and a really good young 2way Sg in Olidipo. Maybe the Knicks say yes, but they already have multiple solid young big men and they would have 2 centers making over 15 million each.

19 Sep 2017 22:32:46
The bucks should include giannis to Indy:-)

17 Sep 2017 15:05:25
76ers/Cavs

Sixers get:Frye,Cavs own 2018 1st
Cavs get:Holmes,Rockets 2018 2nd via 76ers.

Sixers could use Fryes big man shooting off bench. Gain late 1st rd pick.

Cavs could use Holmes as back up for Thompson and not lose a step(Holmes may actually be the better player here), and save 6 million in salary against the cap(which probably equates to a $15mill total savings).

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17 Sep 2017 15:13:31
Frye is a non-rotation player even in Philly and the Cavs' No. 1 is not worth much.
Holmes is a legit player who would cost more than what Cleveland is giving up.

18 Sep 2017 00:48:56
Supercollider: could the celtics use Holmes in their big man rotation? What would the boys from beantown be willing to give up for him in a fair deal? Great thing about Holmes contract is its for 1.4 this year and a team option 1.6 for the following year. Awesome for his production and potential.

18 Sep 2017 04:10:33
Holmes is a solid player, but I think Frye would be in Philly's rotation Collider. I think it all depends on how comfortable Philly is with Embiids healthy. If they aren't (speaking more long term) they need to keep Holmes as insurance. If they are, they might want to try and sell high on Holmes, who won't be playing a ton of minutes this year, since they probably won't want to pay him in 2 years. He could be looking at 10+ million dollars. Maybe out could switch the direction the 2nd is going though. I like it for the Cavs.

18 Sep 2017 10:29:53
Voug - After Fultz/ Tatum it's unlikely Boston and Philly would make another big trade. Holmes has great potential, but he has yet to play in a big game so his projected 36-minute stats (17 ppg, 1.9 blocks) might be empty calories. As to compensation, Boston's roster now has players who would be too much of an overpay plus players who wouldn't be enough to get Holmes. Suppose maybe Rozier would be somewhat equal value, but that would thin out a backcourt that already could use a little more depth. Plus, moving Holmes would force Philly to give minutes to Okafor, so it might be a trade that would hurt both teams.

18 Sep 2017 21:06:10
Sixers traded up to #25 this year to draft 7'1" Pasecniks from Latvia. he's the long term back up for Embiid. Amir Johnson gives immediate help inside to okafor if embiid gets hurt again. Holmes value is very high at the moment. Time to sell. Who needs a young, high upside bigman on a bargain basement contract for the next 2 years? Any trade ideas?

16 Sep 2017 17:16:07
The Celtics get Jabari Parker and Monroe

The Bucks get Horford and a lottery protected Boston first

The Celtics get a player that has a ton of potential for cheap if he can come back healthy. They also could clear out a near max contract for next summer. Horford is to old to match the rest of the team and his contract is stopping them from going and getting a player that does fit. Monroe can work as a stop gal for them.

The Bucks get a borderline veteran allstar to help their young team take the next step. They also get out of paying Parker, who hasn't proven he can stay healthy.

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16 Sep 2017 19:56:46
This makes no sense on a bunch of levels.

1. The value isn't right. That first is going the wrong way. Horford is a borderline all star. Monroe is bad, and Parker can't stay healthy.

2. The potential vs age seems backwards as well. Boston wants to compete now, where the bucks seem like they're another year away. I don't see Boston making a move that sacrifices short term for potential long term.

18 Sep 2017 13:46:04
I don't understand why people want to move Horford out of Boston. The way the team is put together, he didn't have crazy point totals, and he's not a top end rebounder, but he is a very capable scorer when called upon. Most importantly, he's a playmaker in the frontcourt. He averaged 5 assists a game, which I believe led all Centers (if not all big men, but I can't remember the article details I read. either way impressive. ) To put it into perspective with some of the best centers in the league Cousins had 3.9, Davis had 2.1, Whiteside had 0.7, Embiid had 2.1, Gasol came close at 4.6.but Horford was the elite in that category, which is one of the most important stats for Stevens' ball movement system. He's the glue at this point.

18 Sep 2017 15:04:35
While I may agree that Horford didn't live up to most peoples expectations, he was a huge in the playoffs. He's a great playmaker and Passer who can shoot 3'S. He is, was, and will be a steady veteran presence for the C's. He is exactly what Ainge and Stephens wants him to be.

18 Sep 2017 16:15:27
I'm not saying Horford isn't a really good player. He's a borderline allstar and can help teams in a variety of ways, but he's 31, he's signed for 3 more years, and the last 2 years he's going to be making almost 30 million dollars. Boston has the pedigree, young core, young established stars, assets and coach to either make a big trade at some point or go after big time free agents. I think they need to get rid of Horford while he still has more value than his contract. He isn't going to be valuable to a team trading a star and the cap space he's taking up will prevent them from going after a younger star. Boston is at minimum a year away from really being a contender in the East (2 or 3 if the Cavs keep it together) and probably 4 years away from being able to stand a chance against the Warriors. That window doesn't match up with Horford.

For the Bucks they have a ton of young talent, but Jabari has looked like an awkward fit even when healthy, they don't have much veteran leadership, and unless Giannis can turn into a top 2 or 3 player they're never going to be a destination for top flight free agents.

18 Sep 2017 19:24:21
I don't think that Boston cares about the contract commitment. They are keeping him to try and win now. When his contract is up, Irving will be in his prime, Heyward, Brown and Tatum should be at the top of their games (at leat that is the hope) and they should be on or near thetop.
I'm not sure that they cannot make it to the finals this season. Cleveland could be starting the decline. Just saying it's possible, only time will tell.
As far as the Warriors are concerned, prior to all the trades the C's have made, they seemed to have matched up really well with GS. Weve won a couple of games and reasonablY close to them in the losses. After the trades, we may or may not match up as well. But, I have a lot of faith in Danny!

18 Sep 2017 19:29:23
I don't think Horford would be moved in this deal. Parker is really taking a risk not knowing health wise, and they don't want Monroe. C's would pass

Maybe in a deal for M Gasol or one of the towers from NOLA, I'd like to think for AD but it would most likely be Boogie.

Boston is better off going with Bogut if possible, then making a splash at the trade deadline for the likes of Boogie and convince him to buy into the idea of a 3 yr deal with a the 3rd yr as an option. If they could make it to the finals he'd be more apt to sign on.

19 Sep 2017 17:52:39
Billj, the thing is that in a trade for Davis, Gasol, and probably even Cousins, Monroe's expiring contract and Parker would both be much more valuable than Horford. Memphis or New Orleans wouldn't have much interest in Horford since they would most likely be starting a rebuild. An expiring contract and a player with allstar potential that they could buy low on would probably interest them though.

19 Sep 2017 20:05:48
I truly want to believe that rk, but if Parker gets hurt again before a deal could happen then his career is over and it would hurt Boston and Monroe would really not help.

With Bogut out of the picture now signing with LAL, he's not there to win a title, he's there for the weather and comfort level. Boston will most likely roll with the flow with what they have and probably will have to move someone they don't want to at the trade deadline in order to get the help they'll need.

If Boston is on top at the deadline they'll need Boogie or Gasol to compete in the finals. But to keep Boogie it will cost them 200+ for 5 years. Which brings me back to Drummond who I've wanted them to get because of age and contract.

16 Sep 2017 04:04:29
BOS-IND-OKC

BOS M Turner

Irving
Hayward
Tatum
Horford
Turner

IND J Brown, E Kanter, LAL/SAC 1st, OKC 1st

Collison
Oladipo
Brown
Young
Sabonis

OKC M Morris, A Jefferson

Westbrook
Roberson
George
Morris
Adams

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16 Sep 2017 08:57:28
Ind says no. They love Turner.

16 Sep 2017 14:50:49
I'm not sure why OKC is even in this trade. Boston would be better off keeping Morris and giving up one of their own firsts and that seems like a much better deal for Indy than taking on Kanter's contract.

I think Brown and the 2 firsts would be solid value for Turner, but like jvoug said, Indy really seems to like Turner and should. I think someone would have to drastically overpay for the Pacers to part with him.

16 Sep 2017 16:04:35
Also, the C's have gone from being wing heavy to needing Brown on the roster. I see Indy saying no because they do see Turner as a future star, but i don't see Boston wanting to give Brown right now either.

16 Sep 2017 16:57:32
Triangle, I agree they would be pretty thin if they gave up Morris and Brown, but If it's just Brown, Morris and Smart could take care of back up sf and sg and there are a few free agents out their that can give you solid minutes on the wing (there will most likely be even more after buyout season) . A trade like this would lock in 4 of their starting 5 for the next 6 or 7 years.

18 Sep 2017 14:04:08
I'd be very torn on this one. I love Turner, but I also think Brown is going to become something special too. I'm also thinking he's likely to slot into the starting lineup at SG. I think Smart has the ability to be the starting SG, but I think on a team level he fits better with Rozier in the second pairing. I don't really see any other guys on the roster who fit so seamlessly into the top 4 guards unless Larkin REALLY shows something. If he and Rozier could be a capable pair, and Smart's offseason work translates to the game court, this could be something I'd do.

18 Sep 2017 19:30:53
i don't dislike this for Indy.
I really like Turner, but he's not going to bring us to the finals.
J Brown can become good too and that pick woul give us two high lottery picks next year.

16 Sep 2017 03:41:27
CLE/IND/DEN

CLE get Myles Turner, Thad Young

IND get Kenneth Faried, Tristan Thompson, BKN 1st rd pick, DEN 1st round pick

DEN get Corey Joseph, Iman Shumpert

Agree12 Disagree22

18 Sep 2017 19:35:17
not sure about this one, maybe if we can trade Farried for another draft pick.

16 Sep 2017 02:57:09
HOU/MEM

HOU get Marc Gasol

MEM get Clint Capela & Ryan Anderson

Agree11 Disagree23

16 Sep 2017 14:56:32
I'm not a fan of it for either team. Capela is a solid young starting center, but I don't see him ever being someone a team can build around. Memphis is probably better off looking for a package of picks and young players. For Houston, they make a thin bench even thinner and would end up fairly weak on the boards, while getting older. I don't think Gasol really gets them much closer in the short term to competing with the Warriors.

18 Sep 2017 14:12:10
Gasol is great, but I agree, I don't think he's the right fit for the Rockets, while Capela seems to fit them perfectly. You've already got both Paul and Harden looking for the ball, even though both have proven they are/ can be apt distributors. I feel like Capela can fit that athletic big like Griffin or Jordan that Paul has grown used to, while Gasol is more of a technician. Anderson is extremely overpaid, but he should be able to do his thing very well on this squad. His defense should be covered up by Ariza and Capela while his (and Ariza's) three point shot could be deadly with players keyed on Paul and Harden while having to protect against the lob to Capela.

18 Sep 2017 19:43:38
i don't dislike this for Houston, they should go all in and Gasol has some good years left.
but i can't see Memphis doing this. They need draft picks and young players, not R anderson.

18 Sep 2017 22:20:46
I went through several years of Ryan Anderson here in NOLA. Great 3 point shooter, great character guy but weak on D and injury issues are huge. Pretty heavy contract also. Capela is a talent but i think Memphis passes.

 


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