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20 Nov 2017 00:39:50
Boston: O'Quin

NY: M Smart

20 Nov 2017 03:12:08
not a bad deal considering smart is expiring, but i think boston values him more than this.

20 Nov 2017 09:03:45
I know but it would be a smart deal for Boston.
O'Quin is a good rebounder and Smart is going to ask big money next year.

20 Nov 2017 15:02:24
Celtics aren't trading Smart. He is one of those players whose stat-line says nothing of how good he really is. He struggles dhooting, but his defense is second to none and does all the little things to help you win. Without Smart, the Celtics certainly wouldn't be riding a 15 game win streak.
Will O'Quinn, be able to do that?

20 Nov 2017 16:26:40
Smart needs to accept his Tony Allen role and stop shooting the damn ball unless its a layup. I feel like I am the biggest Smart hater in Boston haha.

20 Nov 2017 17:55:22
@Yumbo, i agree Smart is (way) better than O'quin)
He's a great defender and he can play against Pg, SG, SF, PF and even centers.

But the Celtics have Tatum, J Brown ( and Hayward)
And they have Irving and Rozier for the point.
And they can use a extra rebounder.
Smart is going to ask big money next year and O'quin is on a good contract for three more years.

So i don't think this is a bad trade.

21 Nov 2017 00:29:22
Yabusele and Nader for O Quinn and Dotson might be better. Yabusele although has potenitial and 4-year contract doesn't have the potential smart has and I Quinn playes in a position that the Celtics need him more. Dotson and Nader are fillers so the salaries matches.

21 Nov 2017 17:30:34
#Gasupo, admittedly, I don't know too much about O'Quinn, but Smart is the best defensive player thst the Celtics have. He is one of the reasons thst the Celtics have one of the top defenses in the league. The Celtics realize that he is a major part of that. It may be a good trade on some levels, but the Celtics would never do it. I bet Ainge thinks he can resign him. or include him in huge blockbuster.

19 Nov 2017 20:16:16
Clippers get Rozier, Frye(exp) Osman, a Cavs 2nd and the Celtics 7 mill exception.

Celtics get Lou Williams and a Cavs 2nd

Cavs get Dedmond and Beverly

Atlanta gets Zizic and Calderon

20 Nov 2017 08:26:06
Celtics isn't trading Rozier for Lou Williams.

20 Nov 2017 11:27:24
Why? They're about to have to sign Smart for 10 million plus and once Hayward is back there won't be many minutes for Rozeir, who is basically Marcus Smart light. Williams will give them a guy who can come off the bench and generate points on his own. That's something that only Irving can consistently do on Boston's roster.

20 Nov 2017 11:37:18
Rozier is getting better by the day and Williams is teeing off on the back nine. Maybe Beverley for Rozier, though it's doubtful Boston has any interest in shaking things up right now.

20 Nov 2017 16:33:37
Rozier for Williams is a decent deal cause like you said we need someone else who can create his own shot, but the 7 million exception is too much. I know its needed for salary purposes but that and helping Cleveland would deter me.

20 Nov 2017 17:19:57
Larry, the nice thing here is that Williams is on an expiring. That money comes off the cap and lessen the burden of resigning Smart and then the next year Kyrie and Morris. I don't see Celtics being able to justify resigning both Rozier and Smart and since they won't need both given that Irving, imo Smart, Brown and Tatum will play almost all of the minutes at guard once Hayward returns to the line up probably next year. Their 5th guard can either be a veteran on the minimum or possibly one of their picks from next year. Either way they can lock in someone for cheap that won't get a ton of playing time any way. Which will help them stay below the tax line for another year. That's important given the fact that they look like they'll soon be in the luxury for a long time.

18 Nov 2017 01:43:43
Trade 1: Phoe-Clippers-Port-Wolves

Phoe: B Griffin+ McCollum+ L williams

Port: J Butler+ 2rnd pick OKC(from Phoenix)

Wolves: Monroe+ J Jackon

Clippers: B Knight+Dudley+Bender+1rnd pick Miami+ 1rnd pick suns+ 1rnd pick Bucks

Trade 2
Clippers-LA-Philly

LA: D Jordan+ 2rnd pick clippers
Clippers: Ingram+ clarckson+ Deng


Phoenix receive two all star calliber players and a great sixth man. McCollum and Griffin would be a great duo. Griffin could be the main ball handler and McCollum can be a great scorer. Griffin- McCollum-Bookers would be a big three. And they still have some assets to trade for a good center (Chriss+ 2021 Miami pick)

Portland receives a player that would be a better fit than McCollum.

The Wolves get an extra young player with potential and they can stay under the cap.

LA get capspace and they have a backup plan with signing Jordan if they fail to land other big free agents. They lose Ingram, but Kuzma is a good replacement and they trade Deng without losing draft picks


The Clippers can rebuilt with four draft picks, they aso propably keep their 2019 and 2020 pick (top 14 protected), so they only have to give Boston a 2022 second round . And they can develop Bender and Ingram. And Clarcson would be the main scorer in that team, so his stock would go up and they can trade him later for draft picks.

18 Nov 2017 05:39:50
i don't think the wolves would have any interest in this. their current roster can contend for much of the foreseeable future, but i don't think that happens w/ o butler around.

and the clippers have delusions that they are contenders, so blowing it up doesn't seem like their move. i would be shocked if they didn't resign dj (unless he forces his way out like cp did)

18 Nov 2017 08:55:57
@donadamsky

A Wiggins get a big contract next year, so the Wolves go over the cap. They also have to pay KAT a Max contract in 2019. Can/ will they pay the luxury tax? I really like Butler, but trading him for J Jackson and a second rnd pick would be a smart move. They don't need to win now, they still have time.

The Clippers do think that. But they're 5-9 and going to play for the eight spot, so this would be a smart move for them.

16 Nov 2017 12:55:37
Cavs-Pistons:

Pistons receive Brooklyn Pick and Shumpert

Cavs receive Pistons Pick and Bradley.

Cavs have IT, AB and Crowder of the Celtics team last year + LBJ and Love (big upgrade zo Johnson and Horford). They also have a good team if LBJ leaves with AB, Crowder, IT and Love (have enough cap space to resign them)

Pistons do it because they get the pick and have difficulties to resign AB

16 Nov 2017 15:02:01
I would like to see that Boston team. The problem is that Bradley is going to be a free agent to next year.

Maybe if the Nets pick is top 5 protected (swap with the Cleveland 2020 pick top 5 protected)

16 Nov 2017 15:02:05
Cavs pass. Bradley isn't worth that .

16 Nov 2017 15:39:48
*Cleveland team

This could work for Cleveland, if they take a top 5 protection on the Nets pick.
It's a lot of ifs, but
If the Nets pick falls in the top 5 and
If Detroit falls back and misses the playoffs.
The Cavs would have three draft picks in next years draft.

So they could resign Bradley, IT and LBJ next year and they can draft young talents so they will have a strong bench.

16 Nov 2017 17:15:47
Can't imagine the Pistons do it if the Pick is protected.

16 Nov 2017 21:31:23
@ps i think they still would. i don’t think bradley is going to stay in detroit come free agency, so its worth it if they get a pick around 6-12 for him.

17 Nov 2017 06:07:27
@donadamsky: won't work as the others proposed. Pistons take on Shumpert and give up their pick with AB going to the Cavs for only a 2021 pick from the Cavs?!
I could imagine a pick swap for the Pistons. They can swap with the Nets pick if it falls out of the top 5. If they can't swap they get a swap in 2020 and the 2021 pick of the cavs.

17 Nov 2017 13:31:59
I believe that the cavaliers can not trade away their 2020 first round draft pick as they traded away their 2019 first round pick in the kyle korver trade.

20 Nov 2017 19:30:53
i don't know why everybody thinks AB not going to resign with pistons they can offer him more money and the team is playin good ball.

10 Nov 2017 11:38:51
What is the worst trade since 2010 besides the Nets- Celtics trade.

1) OKC- Hou
Hou: Harden
OKC: Lamb+K Martin/ 1rnd pick ( S Adams)

2) Clippers- Cleveland
Clippers: M Williams
Cleveland: b Davis+ 1rnd pick (K Irving)

3) NY- Tor
NY: Bargnani
Tor: Camby+ Novak+ 1rnd pick 2016 (Poetl)+ 2 2rnd picks

4) Suns-Bucks- Philly
Suns: B Knight+ Marchall
Philly: MC williams+ plumlee+ Ennis
Philly: protected 1rnd pick LA 2015 (2018 unprotected LA pick)
4)GS- Bucks
GS: Bogut
Bucks: M ellis

5) Other trade

10 Nov 2017 13:44:06
The Melo trade was pretty bad. Mozgov (who was flipped for 2 firsts later), Gallinari (good starter), Chandler ( good Starter), Felton (solid starter at the time), a 1st and 2 2nds.

Melo was a legit top 10 player at the time, but the Knick's roster was to depleted after the trade to really ever compete at a high level and I can't imagine there was another offer any where near that.

10 Nov 2017 14:10:31
Got to be the Mo Will for Boom Dizz and Kyrie deal.

10 Nov 2017 14:11:53
All good choices for bad deals but, I think if you asked "Media Anointed Genius" Sam Presti in OKC for a do-over, he'd find a way to hang onto James Harden. That team was genuinely scary with all 3 of those guys there.

10 Nov 2017 14:20:40
Maybe this trade was even worse than the Boston trade

Nets: D Williams
Utah: Favors+ D Harris+ 1rnd pick 11 (draft Kanter with 4rd pick, K Thompson, K Leonard and J Butler available) + 1rnd pick Golden state 2013 ( draft Dieng with the 21 pick, Gobert available) . + Cash

Or this one

Nets: G Wallace
Portland: Okur+ 1rnd pick ( D Lillard)


All trades on this forum looks good, if you look to the Nets trades :-)

10 Nov 2017 14:57:24
Golden State trading #3 pick (Kevin Mchale) and Robert Parish for the #1 pick (Joe Barry Carroll)

10 Nov 2017 14:59:18
Charlotte Hornets trading Kobe Bryant to the Lakers for Vlade Divac and bunch of crap.

10 Nov 2017 16:33:39
@ Yumbo, since 2010.

10 Nov 2017 18:47:29
Phoenix gets Marcus Thornton and the Cavs 2016 1st rounder (Skal Labissiere moved in a package for the Chriss pick)

Boston gets Thomas.

On the flip side of the Ainge coin, moving Perkins for Green.

10 Nov 2017 19:38:32
Gerald Wallace for the pick that became Lillard does stick out as pretty terrible.

10 Nov 2017 21:06:31
Forgot to mention that the two players from 1st rounder and pick swap were Jamal Murray and Saric. So both ended up as lottery picks.

10 Nov 2017 23:57:44
Mark Cuban would say rondo deal was a nightmare.

11 Nov 2017 02:43:01
James Harden trade was worse. and the mo will for Davis is close. 3rd choice is the love for Wiggins because the cavs could did Better or kept him.

11 Nov 2017 04:07:32
Love for Wiggins wasn't bad for the Cavs. Wiggins is a worse offensive player, rebounder, passer, and defender. Outside of being younger and more athletic, Wiggins reeally doesn't have anything on Love.

11 Nov 2017 07:00:32
I take Butler or George or cousins other then love because I believe Wiggins is better then what the bulls, pacers and kings gave up.

11 Nov 2017 14:11:56
Sixers get:Andrew Bynum (remember him? ) for Igoudala, Vucevic, Harkless, and a first round pick. Bynum never saw the floor for the sixers.

11 Nov 2017 17:05:47
@Jvoug1

That was a crazy trade indeed.

Funny that the Magic won that trade :-) :-) :-)

12 Nov 2017 00:33:28
Magic won that trade big time. And the same trade set the sixers back for years.

13 Nov 2017 13:41:09
Ohioboy, yeah, but you're talking about trades that happened 3 years, 3 finals appearance and a Championship after the fact. The Cavs went out and got the best player available for Wiggins and even though the fit has never been perfect, Love has given them more than Wiggins would have to this point.

06 Nov 2017 03:50:50
Sixers get: Mario Hezonja and Bobby Portis.

Magic get: Justin Anderson

Bulls get: Jahlil Okafor


Or...

Sixers get: Mario Hezonja and Guerschon Yabusele.

Celtics get: Jahlil Okafor and Adreian Payne.

Magic get: Justin Anderson and Abdel Nader.

06 Nov 2017 04:49:00
I think c's will wait till summer to sign okafore I don't see any interest in Payne.

06 Nov 2017 05:32:17
Payne was just a throw in to make the trade work, though the Celtics could get someone else if they waive a player too.

06 Nov 2017 19:46:56
I think that's more than Boston is going to want to give up for Okafor. They're not looking to bring him in as any kind of big time player. they see him as a project. If anything I think they'll offer a 2nd rounder and to take his salary into their injury exception and see if it sticks.

06 Nov 2017 01:58:36
With the emergence of Sabonis at Center, maybe Pacers could make Turner expendable for the right price.

1)IND-BOS

Turner for Brown and Boston's own 2018 1st rd pick

2) IND-PHX

Turner, 2018 lottery protected 1st rd pick for Josh Jackson

06 Nov 2017 03:28:07
let’s assume the pacers come to this decision, i like the boston move more than the phx one. based on their performance thus far (given its a small sample size) tatum is looking better for the c’s, so i'd offer brown if i was choosing which one to trade. i wouldn’t lose sleep over the gamble of moving brown to bring in turner.

curious why u think ind has to give up a pick for jackson but gets one from boston, considering jackson and brown are on about the same level as unproven top 5 picks.

06 Nov 2017 08:11:37
I think we could get more for Turner, but i'm a pacers fan.

1) Indy-Boston
Brown+ 1rnd pick Boston+ 1rnd pick Vancouver for Turner

2) J Jackson+ The best between the Miami and Suns 2018 pick for Turner.

06 Nov 2017 15:01:59
I'm not sure the Celtics would trade Brown. They absolutely love him and he has barely scratched the surface as far as his talent is concerned. Imo.

06 Nov 2017 19:51:33
At this point it looks as if Brown and Tatum are 100% untouchable. There's just so much potential with those two. They've got a starting 4 with those two, Horford and Irving who've won eight in a row, and still probably should have won that Cavs game even after the injury to Hayward. When he comes back, Taum slides to the 4, or is your primary scorer off the bench, and you've got a VERY scary group. If they keep up this kind of consistent play, they're contenders right now without Hayward. they're MUCH further along than anyone expected.

01 Nov 2017 19:26:01
After buyout Okafor goes to Boston.
Great move for great team.

01 Nov 2017 22:59:28
A decent move by a pretty good team*.

02 Nov 2017 08:15:29
It's a good move for a great team :-)

01 Nov 2017 15:30:01
PHI-CHI-BOS-DEN trade

Philadelphia gets- Will Barton

Chicago gets- Jahlil Okafor, Semi Ojeleye, Nik Stauskas

Boston gets- Bobby Portis

Denver gets- Jerian Grant


Whats your thoughts?

01 Nov 2017 16:26:12
phil should jump on this, but i don't think bos or den would.

01 Nov 2017 17:46:56
It's an no for Denver

Boston could use Portis ( if everybody deserves a second chance)

I like this for Philly and Chicago.
Okafor could become a descent center in his hometown.

01 Nov 2017 17:59:03
I thought Boston would be a good place to unload Portis because thy can use a tall player that could hopefully play defense, and I thought Jerian Grant works because they need a backup PG and I feel like Will Barton isn't going to resign anyways.

01 Nov 2017 20:03:52
I like Portis, even if he's helped to break that team, and I wanted him in green during his draft. I think Semi has a solid future in Boston though, and Stevens seems to really like him.

25 Oct 2017 20:32:58
AD to Boston when he hits free agency looks better everyday Horfords contract will finish then ,with a nucleus of Irving ,Hayward,brown,Tatum plus coach Stevens and still a lot of draft picks makes them attractive place to be. Pels can still pay the most money but what chance are they to be a force in 2-3 years ,I wouldn't doubt GWS could wiggle a few moves to make a pitch

25 Oct 2017 20:41:30
Said he wants to go home to Chicago on a cheap deal he already has bank from other businesses from tech things.

25 Oct 2017 21:05:07
Even if they go into 2020 offseason (Davis would have to opt out that year) with out having anyone, but Irving, Hayward, Brown's cap hold and Tatum on the roster (which is highly unlikely since they'll resign Smart, Yabulese will still be their, they have a few high picks before then and i'd imagine they would still have a few left over vets) that's atleast 100 million dollars already on the books. Even if we see a 25 percent increase in the cap that would give them less than 25 million in cap space. Davis's max will be close to 40.

26 Oct 2017 17:34:06
ad to gs, wow i like the sound of that. they would have to not resign klay and draymond but i think its worth it. AD + twilighting steph and kd would be awesome.

24 Oct 2017 17:30:32
Dwyane Wade is struggling in Cavs play.. does he need to be in the bench or a starter.. only guy that has good chemistry on him is LeBron. I don't expect him to score 15ppg.. and the new starting lineup of Love as a center sucks.. I want the previous lineup..
Thomas(inj)/Rose-Smith-James-Love-Thompson

Should have done a 3 team trade with Thomas, Shumpert and Zizic to Suns,
Kyrie to Celtics,
Bledsoe and Crowder plus nets and heat pick to Cavs.. and Cavs have avoided trading/cutting RJ..

24 Oct 2017 18:41:00
I think Wade in the starting line up was initially done to have some continuity once IT came in. I assume the goal was to break up Rose and Wade.

I dislike the trade you propose. As long as IT is 100 percent by June, his offense is more important than Bledsoe's defense and he is the better of the two players. It's not like Bledsoe is a defender on Chris Paul or Patrick Beverly's level and Bledsoe is a good offensive player, it's hard to judge how good at this point considering how bad the Suns have been.

I also disagree with you on the Cavs starting line up. I do think there are spacing issues right now, but those will be fixed once IT is back. They looked solid enough with out much familiarity against Boston and Milwaukee. The Orlando game seemed more about effort than anything else. They came out flat after a good road win, finally got it together in the third and then it looked like they thought Orlando would just concede the win (not to mention that Orlando probably won't be that hot from 3 again this year and if they are they'll be in the playoffs in the East) . It's not much different than what they did in the regular season last year.

21 Oct 2017 21:03:26
Okay... everyone here me out. I tried to make this the most realistic as I could so no hate pls.

Celtics get: Andre Drummond, Anthony Davis, Jordan Crawford.

Pistons get: Al Horford, Shane Larkin, 2019 Celtics 2nd.

Pelicans get: 2019 Grizzlies 1st, 2018 Celtics 1st, Jaylen Brown, Aron Baynes, Guerschon Yabusele, Abdel Nader, Jabari Bird, Reggie Bullock.

Irving/Rozier/Allen
Smart/Crawford/Ellis(FA)
Hayward/Tatum/Green(FA)
Davis/Morris/Ojeleye
Drummond/Theis/Hibbert(FA)

21 Oct 2017 21:24:24
I think that Celtics pick should go to Pistons and Pelicans should get Lakers/ 76ers/ Kings pick.

21 Oct 2017 21:59:04
The offer to NOs isn't bad, but I highly doubt that AD gets traded this year.

I don't see the point of the 2nd for Detroit. Horford is 31 and on a huge contract. I don't think he's worth much more than an expiring and a midlevel pick or player.

21 Oct 2017 22:21:28
Hear, not here

The trade offer sucks. In fact its one of the worst i've seen in awhile

Mediocre Players, NO MATTER HOW MANY YOU send along with picks that may or may not develop do NOT, repeat do NOT get you a once in a generation Superstar

Truly amazing how many Celtic and Cav favored trade proposals always start out with "hear me out" or they write mountains to justify their lame trade offers

AD is not going to the C's. In fact he was relieved to hear the Celtic trade rumors were just rumors. So while it must suck that C's went all in on Hayward and he is out for season, You will not be getting AD.

22 Oct 2017 11:38:28
no idea why the Pistons would trade a young player for an aging star.


NO would only do this if AD loses a legg.

23 Oct 2017 01:04:21
I'm not even a celtics fan lol--im a bucks fan.

23 Oct 2017 04:51:00
No Brooklyn pick and Tatum instead of Brown, Pels don't entertain this.

23 Oct 2017 20:14:02
Ok, so you're a Bucks fan. Would you take that package for Giannis?

23 Oct 2017 22:13:31
Ok So you're a Bucks fan. Would you take that package for Giannis?

20 Oct 2017 08:19:14
Boston: M Gasol

Memphis: G Hayward+ return Memphis pick.


Horford is aging, so should boston go all in now? Trading an injuyred Hayward for a center that fits the system.

Memphis could do thit, they get the pick back and start tanking in a loaded Western conference. If Hayward recovers, they get an all star and they have no problem absorbing the contract when they're rebuilding

20 Oct 2017 12:52:36
It's not a bad idea for Memphis, but basketball aside, nobody would ever sign with Boston again if they pulled this. Moving IT shows that nobody is sacred in the quest for 18.Moving Hayward would just be cruel.

20 Oct 2017 13:16:18
Haywood is not going anywhere.

20 Oct 2017 13:40:03
@supercollider, do you agree, Boston should go all in now or trade Horford?

Boston can't beat cleveland without Hayward and they need a center.

20 Oct 2017 14:03:08
I don't think Boston needs to go all in now at all. They have two young studs in Brown and Tatum, and a young star in Kyrie. That's a core you can build around, and if the Lakers pick comes through this season, they'll likely have a big man prospect to add to that core. They basically have the Philly "process" construct while also having guys like Horford and Hayward to star now and top role players like Smart and Rozier. This group is poised to be competitive for the next ten to fifteen years, so they shouldn't blow too much up to try to win it all once.

20 Oct 2017 14:04:09
That seems like a lot of for a center that doesn't really fit with the rest of the team's timeline. Challenging the Cavs this year was always a long shot. Now that Hayward is out, in my opinion, they should trade Horford for assets and contracts that would help them get a young big man sometime in the next year and a half. Loading up to make a run next year and for the foreseeable future makes the most sense. Why rush now and potentially give up assets that could actually win them a title down the line rather than assets that might get them back to the ECFs this year.

20 Oct 2017 17:31:47
Makes no sense to trade Horford now. He is invaluable to the team, especially after Haywards injury. He still fits their timeline. He will help them be competitive now and will help them until the kids, Brown, Tatum and whoever else is ready. Who knows, maybe they catch lightning in a bottle and win something.
The last thing they need is moRe future picks.

20 Oct 2017 18:51:07
Boston is done dealing, except maybe moving Smart at the deadline if he has a bad year and won't give a hometown discount on the next contract. It's all about developing the kids, getting on the same page and re-signing Irving a year from now.
Gasol? Maybe a year from now when he's on the decline and can be had for pennies on the buck.

20 Oct 2017 21:39:14
Yeah celtics won't trade Hayward and horford would only be traded along with assets for a young gun just have to take the Hayward injury on the chin.

16 Oct 2017 08:58:17
Miami: A Horford+ 1rnd pick clippers and Vancouver

Boston: H Whiteside

I really like Horford and he's a great player for Boston, but they need a defensive center. And they can't take another big contract unless they trade Horford, who's 31 years old, so they should trade him before he becomes a bad contract. They should try to get Gobert first, but Whiteside is a good second if that fails.

The Heat do this, because Dragic and Horford would be a good combo next year that will make the playoffs and they receive two draft picks, so they can develop some young talents and hit the free agent market in 2020

This Boston team could challenge Cleveland and Golden State
Boston:
C: Whiteside/ Ojeleye
PF: Morris/ Yabusele
SF: Hayward/ Tatum
SG: Smart/ Brown
PG: Irving/ Rozier

16 Oct 2017 12:39:42
Vancouver? Memphis moving home?

Don't hate the deal, Boston could use a more traditional Center while Miami is weak at the four. I think the C's will leave it alone for now though.

16 Oct 2017 13:35:38
damn i'm living in the 90's again :-)

16 Oct 2017 13:47:27
The Celtics would have two all nba players, a defensive center, that's a borderline all star. Two young talents on the bench, that could make the difference, when the stars are resting. And smart is playing for a bigg contract.
And they keep the Lakers pick, so they could draft an extra asset next year. (The Memphis pick is top 7 protected and the Clippers pick is lottery protected, so it's not a big lose) .

Horford is important, but they lost J Crowder and A Bradley.
The Celtics would have no proplem scoring. Irving and Hayward can both score and pass the ball, so horford's passing skills and 3-point shot would be less important (And Cleveland couldn't beat GS with Love, so Horford would propaply fail too against GS's system. )
You can't win a chamionship withoud defense.
Whiteside is a great rimprotector, so i believe he's the missing link for Boston.

16 Oct 2017 15:01:51
Gasupo, I'm not sure how you can put the finals loss on Love. He played reasonably well. The Cavs were just out manned. Guarding Curry and Durant, while not being able to come off Thompson is almost impossible even with great perimeter defenders. The Cavs had mediocre perimeter defenders at best. Not to mention that the Warriors defense is really good and they had the personnel to hold the Cavs shooters in check some what.

16 Oct 2017 15:50:14
I don't blame K Love for the loss, but he couldn't make the difference.
K Love or Horford can't hurt Golden state, because D Green will get his rebounds and he will get his passes to Curry, durant And Thompson. Every rebound Whiteside gets is a rebound Green can't pass to KD, Curry or Thompson.

16 Oct 2017 15:58:01
Hayward can guard Thompson
Irving can guard Curry
And Smart can guard Durant
Whiteside can guard D Green
Smart can't shoot, so KD, curry, Thompson can also guard Irving, Morris and Hayward.
They have an equal starting five on defence and offence

J Brown could guard Iguodala, so Boston would have a chance if Tatum and J Brown both develop offensive skills.

16 Oct 2017 16:18:16
Irving can't guard Curry, Durant probably has 9 inches on Smart, and Whiteside would struggle guarding Green on the perimeter and guarding Green would keep him away from the basket most of the time which is where he's most effective.

16 Oct 2017 16:20:54
Also, look at Love's rebounding in the finals. He and Lebron probably had 2/ 3s of the Cavs rebounds.

16 Oct 2017 17:21:36
id be happy with this return as miami. i think whiteside has pretty much hit his ceiling so miami should take this offer while his value is high. its hard to tell what miami’s franchise goals are rn, but the two picks are quite useful and horford is a great addition skills and leadership-wise. and i agree with op, a defensive big is boston’s biggest hole, and whiteside is a great B-option if gobert is out of reach.

20 Oct 2017 13:56:28
I understand Whiteside has a solid skill set that the Celtics are lacking, but he's a horrible fit for them on the offensive side. The way Stevens runs his system is with ball movement and spacing. Whiteside is the absolute antithesis of this philosophy. He has no range at all, and is a bigger ball stopper than any of the ball hogs in the league.

15 Oct 2017 08:47:56
NY: Ingram+ Tatum+ Deng+ swap option LA pick+La pick 2020

Boston: Porzingis+ O'quin

LA: Monroe+ Kuzninskas+ Payton+ return LA Pick

Bucks: Clarckson+ C Lee


NY is going to win 35-40 games with Porzingis, so they can't tank and draft a second star. So they trade him for 2 young talents on a rookie contract for a few years. And they get a swap option with the LA pick, so they have a good chance drafting a third good young player.

Boston needs an extra big to beat Cleveland.Tatum could be a star, but Porzingis is a proven star, so giving up Tatum+ a good draft pick is fair.

LA wouldn't give up Ingram in a Deng trade, but they get a good draft pick in return (their own or the NY pick). So LA could go all in in free agency and they have a draft pick they can use to get an extra asset.

I don't think Milwaukee could atract a good free agent, so Clarckson and C Lee are two good roll players on a good contract

15 Oct 2017 15:10:50
Boston doesn't own the LA pick outright. They get the la pick next year only if it falls between #2-5. If La pick is outside #2-5, boston then gets the kings 2019 #1 (with #1 overall pick protection. If the kings pick happens to be the top overall pick, then boston gets the sixers 2019 #1 instead. ) . With 4 or 5 really big talents in the 2018 draft, it makes this pick a lot less desirable on the trade market.

15 Oct 2017 15:20:40
IMO, I think with the additions of Lopez at center, KCP at sg, Ball at the point, and ingram, randle, and nance all improving the Laker pick has a great chance landing in that 7- 14 range. Would you roll the dice on the kings 2019 pick (who knows what that draft class will look like and what the kings will do) and lose Porzingis. I wouldnt.

15 Oct 2017 17:34:46
Losing their own pick would make them worse, so they can draft doncic or Porter

Porter+ Ingram+ Tatum+ 2020 LA pick is a great return for NY, so i would gamble on this one.

15 Oct 2017 18:53:48
Not sure I follow your logic about "La losing their pick so it will make them worse" statement. They drafted ball this year, they will play the season, then lose their pick. It can't possibly make them worse this year and increase the chances of getting doncic or porter. Am i missing something here Gasupo?

16 Oct 2017 04:27:52
I don't think Boston would want the Zinger, O'Quinn maybe.

Giving up Tatum and a pick for KP would only hurt the C's in the long run, that kid will always have back problems

My guess is they'll wait to see how the Pels are doing and if they can trade for Boogie at the TD they'd be happy. But don't think they'd trade Tatum, my guess would be they would trade Brown instead in any deal.

16 Oct 2017 09:18:13
@Jvoug, i ment losing Porzingis would make NY worse, so they get a higher draft pick.

16 Oct 2017 17:32:12
@billj boston definitely wants the zinger.

16 Oct 2017 19:28:42
Sorry Gasupo. I miss understood. Makes sense now. Knicks without porzingis would be a definite top 3pick.

17 Oct 2017 01:23:27
I really don't think they want him, if they did he'd be on the team now. KP had back problems last year and for that reason I think that's why this trade wouldn't and didn't happen. This year, or the off season they need to get a true big and I think Boogie could be that player. Who knows, they could throw Fort Knox at NOLA for AD, because that's what it would take to get him.

14 Oct 2017 01:29:25
Boston: Gobert

Utah: Ingram+ Tatum+ J Brown+Deng+ 1rnd pick Bucks.

Lakers:Monroe+ J Johnson+ return LA pick (or sacramento pick)

Bucks: Clarckson+ Morris

14 Oct 2017 05:34:09
I think Ingram alone would be more than enough to get some one to take on Deng's contract. By the time you would need to resign him Deng's contract would be over.

I also think that Boston would need to give up more.

14 Oct 2017 06:04:12
Boston gave up Brown, Tatum, Morris and LA/ SAC pick for Gobert? No way Boston do that even if they need someone like Gobert. They will be too thin on wings when that happens. Maybe something like one of Tatum or Brown, Yabusele and the pick. Maybe.

14 Oct 2017 06:38:00
I didn't catch that they gave of the La/ sac pick. Makes sense, I like it.

14 Oct 2017 11:32:44
this could end up being a historically great trade for utah if all 3 three of those guys reach their all star potential. imagine rubio distributing to those 3, defensive nightmare. for boston, i would offer either brown/ tatum. gobert is great but he doesn’t project to contribute the same offense as one of those guys so u are really betting on hayward giving u 20 ppg the next few years. unless they could bring in someone else to offer that if hayward starts to decline around 30. so ainge better restock the asset cabinet after this trade.

14 Oct 2017 14:56:28
I would love this trade for one simple reason: To watch Gobert and Embiid battle for the next 5 years.

15 Oct 2017 08:46:12
Boston need a defensive center, if they want to defeat Cleveland and Golden state.
And they have no capspace so they have to give up Horford or (Morris+ Tatum+ J Brown) or they will only make the eastern finals.

This is a really good starting five
C: gobert
Pf: horford
SF: Hayward
SG: Smart
Pg: Irving.

09 Oct 2017 23:54:10
Boston: R Gobert+ J Johnson

Cleveland: A Horford

Utah: K Love+ Shumpert+J Brown+ 1rnd pick LA+ 1rnd pick Clippers+ 1rnd pick Vancouver

10 Oct 2017 00:54:02
Love for Horford is a lateral move at best for Cleveland (Horford is a slightly better defender, but Love is a much better scorer and better rebounder) for an older more expensive player, while also giving up Shumpert. I don't see the point of this for the Cavs. Especially considering they would be making the Celtics better.

10 Oct 2017 04:33:54
Vancouver? This isn’t the 90’s.

10 Oct 2017 10:17:35
bos giving up way too much for gobert, they offering up the anthony davis package.

10 Oct 2017 13:14:49
Gobert is worth the “Anthony Davis package”. Gobert might be the best center in the NBA.

10 Oct 2017 15:49:15
his defense and rebounding are great, no doubting that. let me see him develop offensively (shooting, passing) before we put him in the same sentence as AD though.

10 Oct 2017 23:12:00
AD is probably the overall better player, but looking at young bigs locked in long term, the trade package required to get them is enormous. Gobert fits that spot. He’s one of the three best defenders in the league. He and Gordon Hayward were tied for the 5th best team in the NBA last year.

Gobert may be the most underrated player in the NBA, just because he doesn’t score a lot and isn’t flashy on offense.

11 Oct 2017 01:50:34
Gobert would get Boston to the finals but as rk said Cavs would be better off with Love and it doesn't make sense for them.

But would love that deal for Boston because Rudy is a beast!

11 Oct 2017 02:18:02
gobert is great, and surely hasn't even had his best seasons yet. and he would be perfect for boston. i just think they are giving up too much in this deal. jaylen brown and the lakers pick alone could end up being > gobert in a few years. also, the cavs have no place in this trade. they aren't swapping love for horford.

11 Oct 2017 02:21:20
Agree Bmiller, his defense affects the game in my opinion more than any other players. Utah didn't have anyone else on their team who was an elite defender and they ended up being rated the 3rd best defense in the league behind the Spurs (Green and Leonard) and Warriors (Green Durant and Thompson) . He also made a fairly big jump on the offensive end and I think we'll see a similiar jump this year.

11 Oct 2017 16:32:15
Dona, you may be right about the potential of Brown and the pick, but Gobert has a better chance of becoming a top ten player than either of the other two becoming an allstar and that's what the league is built on. You need a top 10 player to compete in he league. Trading for Gobert would be one of the few ways I think the Celtics would actually have a chance of beating the Cavs this year or even next year if Cleveland can keep it together.

11 Oct 2017 23:13:01
OMG *Memphis 😋

11 Oct 2017 23:16:27
But they won't get Anthony Davis for that package.

C: Gobert
PF: Morris
SF: Hayward
SG: Smart
PG: Irving
Sixth: tatum

This is a team that could beat Cleveland and could challenge Golden State.

04 Oct 2017 04:53:21
Utah Jazz trade: Derrick Favors, Alec Burks, and 2018 Utah Jazz first-round draft pick
Utah Jazz receive: Al Horford

In an attempt to compete for a playoff spot in the loaded Western Conference, the Jazz trade two semi-young, potential-filled players who really struggled last year while battling with injuries, along with a first-round pick, for a proven star-level player who would undoubtedly fit in very well alongside Rudy Gobert. Horlord is a player who can do a little bit of everything and has proven to be very consistent throughout his years in the league. Should Favors and Burks never return back to their 2015-16 form, this trade would turn out to be a steal for the Jazz.


Boston Celtics trade: Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Al Horford, Aron Baynes, Abdel Nader, 2018 Los Angeles Lakers first-round draft pick/2019 Sacramento Kings first-round draft pick, 2018 Boston Celtics first-round draft pick, and 2019 Memphis Grizzlies first-round draft pick
Boston Celtics receive: Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, Alexis Ajinca and Tony Allen

Before I go any further, I feel compelled to mention that this trade would be contingent upon, at minimum, Cousins verbally agreeing to stay in Boston beyond 2018. With that being said, the Celtics are receiving the future of the NBA in 24-year-old Davis and another superstar in 27-year-old Cousins, so yes, they would have to give up an arm and a leg to pair those two alongside all-stars 25-year-old Kyrie Irving and 27-year-old Gordon Hayward. Wiping out their two young studs and most of their future assets (draft picks) would undoubtedly hurt Danny Ainge to the very core, but the "consolation prize" he would receive would be worth the hurt. Davis and Cousins would give him a 'Big Four' to probably pass the Cleveland Cavaliers as the best team in the Eastern Conference and challenge the older Golden State Warriors for the NBA championship for years to come. Ajinca and Allen would provide the team additional depth for the inevitable championship run the team would make.


New Orleans Pelicans trade: Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, Alexis Ajinca, and Tony Allen
New Orleans Pelicans receive: Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Derrick Favors, Alec Burks, Aron Baynes, Abdel Nader, 2018 Los Angeles Lakers first-round draft pick/2019 Sacramento Kings first-round draft pick, 2018 Utah Jazz first-round draft pick, 2018 Boston Celtics first-round draft pick, and 2019 Memphis Grizzlies first-round draft pick

The Pelicans have been struggling, struggling, and struggling some more to build a competent team around Davis. Even with the addition of Cousins, the Pelicans struggled beyond the all-star break to compete at a playoff level. There is no better time to trade Davis than now, and no team with more to offer the Pelicans for the services of Davis and Cousins than the Celtics. The package the Pelicans would receive in this trade would be very hard to pass up. Tatum and Brown are both extremely young and overflowing with potential. Both can be all-stars in future if provided the appropriate opportunities. Favors was an above average starting power forward two seasons ago before struggling, due to injuries, this past season. Burks was in a similar situation, although he was never as talented as Favors. Any type of resurgence from either player (which is likely due to the fact that both should be recovered from their injuries following this offseason) would allow the Pelicans to either build around them or flip them for more younger prospects. Finally, the Pelicans would receive a slew of first-round draft picks around which they could build around. The Lakers/Kings draft pick could be a top five pick, either in 2018 or 2019, and should undoubtedly be in the top 10. The Jazz and Grizzlies picks should fall somewhere between the 10-20 range, but could be higher depending on how the two teams perform. Finally, the Celtics draft pick would probably fall somewhere in the 25-30 range upon the execution of this trade, where quality players still exist if scouted well. It would be hard for the Pelicans to receive a better offer for any combination of Davis and Cousins at any point over the upcoming seasons than this one.

04 Oct 2017 10:13:38
aside from NO moving davis and boogie together, nothing else is really outrageous about these trades. could work out in the long run for the pels if they draft right.

04 Oct 2017 10:34:11
i think i would prefer a version of this trade where boogie and one of brown/ tatum (i think i'd choose brown) stay put. i just can't see davis and boogie ever really thriving together especially alongside someone like kyrie who should be a primary scorer.

04 Oct 2017 13:09:05
Agree with donadamsky that trading for both would be kind of dumb since the experiment would have failed for NO already. I think they would be better off trying to keep Tatum or Brown. They need an another wing and guy who can turn in to an elite perimeter defender.

I also don't like this for Utah. They need a number one scoring option, but that isn't Horford. He would be a decent fit next at pf for them, but I'm not sure this even guarantees them a playoff spot. Horford is on a huge contract for 3 more years and by the end of it, he won't be worth the money. The Jazz are a fairly young team. I think they would be better off going through a mini rebuilding around Gobert or a complete rebuild.

This is a solid return for NO, but I'm still don't think they'll want to move Davis anytime in the near future.

04 Oct 2017 16:15:50
I can't imagine the Pelicans moving Davis without getting both Tatum and Brown back.

05 Oct 2017 16:55:46
Hilarious. The Pelicans have been "struggling" Boogie and A. D. have played a whopping 15 games together since last season. And half of those are Holiday yet all of you think New Orleans is going to dump A. D.? Let me help you guys out with this. You do NOT trade a once in a generation player for mediocre to average pieces. If so i might propose this trade


Celtics fans really have a knack for thinking the rest of the league owes them their Superstars

Pathetic trade idea.

07 Oct 2017 15:01:14
Dacman, that's four really good trade pieces (Brown, Tatum, La/ Sac and Memphis) and a few mediocre ones (Favors, Utah pick, Boston pick, Nader, and Burke) as well without having to take on much long term salary. I don't think NO should trade Davis anytime soon, but theoretically if they did, this would be a great haul. There isn't a team in the league that would be willing to give up more than that that has the pieces to do it.

03 Oct 2017 12:08:26
To Sixers - Jaylen Brown, Yabusele

To Celtics - J. Okafor, Korkmaz.

03 Oct 2017 12:19:49
No way C's agree to this one.

03 Oct 2017 12:53:28
Taking a wild guess and thinking that the person who proposed this is a Sixers fan.

03 Oct 2017 14:06:30
Okafor isn't worth any of the players the Celtics would have to give up for him. All their bottom guys have the same amount of upside, but they don't come with the price tag. I would definitely toss a late 1st or multiple seconds for him, but with the salary match issue, you're looking at moving a really good young player, or multiple guys that are in that same "potential" category. Just not a good match.

03 Oct 2017 14:36:47
Brown is very overated. He will get out of starting five very soon.

03 Oct 2017 15:09:42
Whether Brown's overrated or not, Okafor has proven that he does not fit in the current NBA, and has limited trade value. Brown's possible upside is still worth a lot more than Okafor's track record.

03 Oct 2017 15:48:22
Okafor is massive potential. Massive.

03 Oct 2017 16:44:32
Okafor would have massive potential if this were 1994. At this point if a big can't either run the floor, be an elite rebounder, an elite defender, or a really good 3 point shooter they really don't fit well in the league.

03 Oct 2017 17:11:50
Rubio, I hope that's a joke. Okafor has minimum potential, and both the Sixers, who have tried multiple times to trade him, and the rest of the league who have not executed a deal for him realize this.

03 Oct 2017 17:13:05
You judge Okafor by two seasons in bad team. YIts hard to be good defender as a center in so bad team. I think, he is solid two way player. Future max player.

03 Oct 2017 17:26:00
Even in 1994, a center that can't rebound or defend was a liability. Okafor is and has always been a nice bench big, nothing more. I've said it for a while, he's a younger Kanter.

03 Oct 2017 18:49:43
brown is about 10x more likely to be a future all star than okafor. not a fair trade.

03 Oct 2017 21:38:11
rubio, come on, it's hard to be a good defensive center on a bad team? Weren't Holmes and Noel good defensively for the Sixers over the last two years?

As for future max, what did Noel just sign for?

03 Oct 2017 22:41:40
No way Celtics do this deal. However. I don't like it for Philly either. If you are knowledgeable regarding the sixers roster, Korkmaz is valued higher then Okafor. he's a 6'8" silky smooth shooter who is surprisingly athletic and still only 19. I love Browns athleticism, but not his jumpshot. He may be the next dwayne wade, or just as likely the next harold miner. Of course he has upside and the sixers would definitely do this deal, i just don't love it for either team.

04 Oct 2017 20:29:08
It seems that the amount of Okafor, deals are almost as many as Shumpert deals on this site lol
No way the Celtics do that deal.

29 Sep 2017 22:12:01
Sixers trade: Jahlil Okafor and Nik Stauskas.

Celtics Trade: Marcus Smart and Guerschon Yabusele.

*Marcus Morris might not be ready to start the season, and Horford and Oak could play together.

Celtics Roster

1) Irving, Rozier, Larkin
2) Brown, Stauskas, Nader
3) Hayward, Tatum
4) Horford, Morris, Ojeleye
5) Okafor, Baynes

Sixers Roster

1) Fultz, Bayless, McConnell
2) Redick, Smart, TLC, Korkmaz
3) Simmons, Covington, Anderson
4) Saric, Holmes, Yabusele
5) Embiid, Amir

*Sixers have a lot of options to make this trade happen, or at least a similar trade.

30 Sep 2017 00:16:44
The sixers would do this trade in a heartbeat. don't think Boston would go for it though.

30 Sep 2017 00:40:22
C's won't deal Smart for that.

30 Sep 2017 03:05:12
Delusional Sixers fan.

30 Sep 2017 09:42:56
Nah, Bay Area, just spitting ideas that would be good for both teams. Jahlil might be a steal if the right team gets him, and Boston desperately needs more front court depth, maybe throw Holmes in the deal, but they also could use someone of Jahlil's skill set who you can throw it in down low to and get you a basket, and he's shown to clearly be already one of the bests at doing so with very advanced post and face up moves, he just needs to be traded and regain some motivation on a team he wants to play for.

 
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