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24 Apr 2018 23:08:36
The Celtics get Porzingas

The Knicks get Yabusele, Nader, Boston's 2018 1st, the 2019 Clippers 1st, and the King's 1st

The Celtics don't lose a rotation player in the deal and get a guy that can help them during the playoff push and for the forseeable future. They get to buy low because of the knee injury. Waiting and hoping that you can get you're future center in a draft devoid of centers next year seems like bigger risk than this.


The Knicks do the most unKnicks thing possible and truly commit to a rebuild. Their roster at this point is KP and not much else. Plus, banking on a guy with a knee injury to be your franchise corner stone is a lot more risky than banking on him to be a rim protector and 3rd option.

24 Apr 2018 16:41:02
nba trade on draft trade
if leonard really want to leave in spurs and not signing in 2019 with spurs trade him

leonard to knicks
frank ntilikina, tim hardaway jr and 2018 new york knicks 1st rd pk for kawhi leonard

leonard to trailblazers
cj McCollum and 2018 portland trailblazers 1st rd pk and 2020 1st rd pk for kawhi leonard

leonard to clippers
deandre jordan, danilo gallinari and 2018 los angeles clippers 1st rd pk for kawhi leonard and pau gasol

not to lakers: spurs ban and trade offer from lakers
not to celtics: maybe celtics can't reach nba finals i believe celtics is a contender next season when irving hayward is back and brown on her 3rd season and tatum on her 2nd season
not to 76ers i don't think 76ers need leonard 76ers lead 3-1 over heat and 1 games left to advance in semi finals and can sign lebron james

any thoughts?

20 Apr 2018 23:48:32
What's the best offer the Spurs can get if Leonard really wants out and play for a big market team.
Teams aren't going to give fair value for him. So what's the best offer?

1) Miami
Adebayo+ Winslow+Dragic

2)LA:
Deng+ Ingram+ future draft pick

3)Clippers:
Harris+ Detroit and Clippers pick

4)Boston
Tatum+Morris+future draft pick
or Hayward+ Future draft pick

5)NY
Ntilikina+Hardaway+ draft pick

6)Philly
Bayless+Fultz+LA pick

7)Chicago: R Lopez+Portis+ 1rnd pick 2018 and 2020

21 Apr 2018 02:56:55
Deal by deal:

1) no, Winslow has been a disappointment, and Spurs are going to want a pick too.

2) HECK NO! No way they take on Deng's contract, and what pick do the Lakers have to give that would be top 5 after they acquire Leonard. Personally, I don't even know if I like Ball over Dejonte right now.

3) no, Harris is a nice player, but him and two late lottery picks are nowhere close.

4) closer, I could see Tatum, Morris and two draft picks (one being Lakers/ Sac) if Leonard gave a nudge, nudge, wink, wink on resigning.

5) HECK NO, I know Frank is not better than Dejonte, Hardaway is a nice role player on a large contract, and number 9 is nowhere close.

6) take out Bayless, add in either Covington or Saric, add in the Sixers pick, and you're close.

7) no Lopez, add Valentine instead, who with Portia and the two picks gets you close.

I agree the Spurs are going to have to sell a little low on Kawhi, but all of these are not value enough to get him.

21 Apr 2018 03:25:16
Porzingis Hardaway for Leonard.

21 Apr 2018 11:21:25
P george was traded for Oladipo (not a star he's now) and Sabonis, the Pacers couldn't even get a draft pick for him.
Butler was traded for a late lottery, LaVine and Dunn.
Both trades turned out good for the Bulls and the Pacers.

All these trade give the the Spurs the opportunity to develop young players.

No team is going to give up fair value for Leonard. P George and LBJ are on the market this year, K Thompson, Butler, the next. No team is going to do a new C Anthony to the Knicks trade.

21 Apr 2018 13:05:56
Butler and George are not Leonard, and most these deals have mediocre young players and picks.

21 Apr 2018 13:44:06
I think these assets give them a good opportunity to rebuilt.
And the Miami offer gives them the opportunity to stay competitive for a few years.

22 Apr 2018 07:05:55
gasupo I agree to triangle O Butler and George is not Kawhi, kawhi Leonard is NBA champions NBA finals MVP an all star and dpoy and he also the one who gets championship back in 2015 in Spurs and also more accomplished than Butler and George.

19 Apr 2018 20:49:33
If Boston gets the LA pick this year

Boston: WC Stein
trade: Yabusele+ Memphis pick 2019

Phoenix: Fox
trade: T Chandler+ 1rnd pick Miami 2021+ 2rnd pick Phoe 2018

Philly: Hield
Trade: Bayless+ 1rnd pick Sac+ 2rnd pick Philly 2018

Sac: T Chandler+ Bayless+ Yabusele+ return 1 rnd pick Sac 2019+ 1rnd pick Memphis 2019+ 1rnd pick Miami 2021+ 2rnd pick Phoe and Philly

20 Apr 2018 03:39:33
WC Stein is not worth a first round pick and Yabusele.

20 Apr 2018 13:27:10
It's a lot of picks to Sac town, but I don't like giving up Fox, who is their future. Having none of these picks purvey in this year's draft just adds to the Kings saying no.

20 Apr 2018 15:37:44
TB, you're 100% correct, but if you look through the first part, the Celtics aren't giving up a pick. This would be if the LA pick winds up at 2-3 this year meaning the Celtics get it, and likely one of Ayton, Bagley or Doncic. If that happens, that Sacramento pick is Philly's so they would be the ones giving it and Bayless up for Buddy. You can definitely argue if that's worth it for Philly though.

19 Apr 2018 15:09:55
The Spurs get Tatum, S Johnson, Kennard, Luer, and the King's 19 1st

The Pistons get Hayward, Morris, Mills, and the Celtics 18 1st

The Celtics get Leonard and Drummond

The Spurs get a ton for Leonard.

The Piston either need to commit to Drummond or Griffin. Drummond seems like the smart play, but for some reason it like they're going to pick Griffin. They get a border line allstar that will fit next to him and they add some much needed shooting.

The Celtics get their young center and a top 5 talent in Leonard. A Line up of
Irving
Brown
Leonard
Horford
Drummond
combine with the Celtics bench has a real shot at a championship. I don't see Ainge being unwilling to move Heyward. He would trade his wife's kidneys if he thought it would improve the Celtics.

19 Apr 2018 18:09:12
You are right about one thing. Ainge, might trade his wife's kindneys, but trading Heyward now would damage his credibility with other FA's looking to come to the Celtics. Ainge won't do that to the organization. He's worked too hard to make Boston a viable place for Free Agents.

19 Apr 2018 23:32:00
As long as they can keep Irving and resign Leonard, who cares. They won't have cap space anytime soon. If things go right, they won't have cap space for the next 10.

19 Apr 2018 10:16:32
Boston: Leonard+Adebayo+Olynyk

Miami: Hayward

Spurs:Tatum+ Waiters

19 Apr 2018 13:09:23
Tatum's a good start, but Spurs are going to want more than him and an overpaid Waiters in return.

19 Apr 2018 14:43:07
I don't see why Miami would be needed here. The Celtics really don't have much of a need for Olynyk and I don't see Bam as the center that Boston wants for the future. I don't think Waiters has much value.

I also don't think that Miami would be very interested in moving Bam. It looks like Whiteside's days in Miami might be coming to an end. He doesn't seem to want to be there and Miami doesn't seem to want him.

The Spurs would want more than just Tatum.

18 Apr 2018 17:21:27
Miami: G Hayward

Boston; Adebayo+Waiters+Olynyk

boston:
C:Adebayo/Baynes/Olynyk
PF:Horford/Morris
Sf:Tatum/ J Brown
SG: Smart/Waiters
PG:Irving/Rozier

Boston get a defensive centre, they can resign and keep Smart.

Miami
C:Whiteside
PF:Johnson
SF:Winslow/
SG:Hayward
PG:Dragic
Sixth: D Wade/ J Richardson

18 Apr 2018 19:30:32
boston is not trading hayward. that is brad stevens son and he only got to coach him for 3 minutes so far.

18 Apr 2018 19:40:11
That trade is just not even close talent wise. Gordon Hayward is a top 20-25 guy in the league, while the other 3 are rotation players. And you must not have seen a single Celtics game if you think Marcus Smart would start over Jaylen Brown.

18 Apr 2018 20:05:45
Maybe if Ainge started doing hard drugs, but it's hard to see that happening.

19 Apr 2018 10:10:59
Comme on, Boston should trade a wing or let Smart go.
I would keep Brown and Tatum and i believe they can sign Smart on a reasonable contract. So they best trade Hayward.

Boston needs a defensive center so Adebayo is a perfect fit for that team. Horford can play PF, shoot threes an pass the ball. And Adebayo can do the dirty work.
Olynyk already knows the house and Waiters already played with Irving. And both players are on reasonable contracts, so they can trade them after this year for other assets.

19 Apr 2018 15:10:28
Why, do the Celtics need a defensive C? That type of player doesn't work for their system. They are never g oing to make a blockbuster trade to get one. If they happen to draft one, or sign a FA for the back end of the roster, fine.

19 Apr 2018 15:18:33
I've never been a huge fan of Heyward and think he's somewhat overrated, but I don't see this being a good trade for the Celtics. Bam's a nice player, but I think they can get a better young center and they already have a ton of depth and will struggle to find enough roster spots for their picks. They need to be packaging assets to get better players rather than the other way around.

17 Apr 2018 01:11:50
The Celtics get Drummond, Kawhi, and D Green

The Pistons get Kidd-Gilchrest, Morris, Rozier, and the Clippers 19 1st

The Spurs Kemba, Tatum, and Horford

The Hornets get Gasol(buyout) Yabasele, Murray, Theis and the Kings 2019 1st

17 Apr 2018 14:05:41
Pistons aren't giving up Drummond for that.

17 Apr 2018 14:48:35
You'll probably get critiqued for this being a lopsided Cavs trade, even though they aren't even in this proposal. lol.

17 Apr 2018 19:46:00
the celtics are giving up too much to get kawhi considering tatum+horford > drummond+green, i'd keep morris over green too
and i say its more realistic charlottle gets off a big contract like batum or williams (to spurs) than gets the very valuable kings pick, then horford stays in boston
maybe charlotte gets clippers pick and detroit gets a spurs 1st.

17 Apr 2018 22:25:32
The thing about the Kings 2019 pick is, it's #1 over all protected. If it actually becomes THE number one pick, it reverts back to Philly, and the Celtics get 2 2nd round picks. No way anyone is trading gor that pick in any kind of blockbuster deal until it is known exactly where it lands.

18 Apr 2018 02:09:10
@yumbo i thought if the sac pick is #1 then bos get phi’s first.

15 Apr 2018 03:32:24
Atlanta get Gasol(buyout), Brandon Paul, and the 2019 Sacramento 1st

The Clippers get Ojeleye, Nader, Nader, Mills, White and the Spurs 18 1st plus 12 million in Savings

The Celtics get Leonard

The Spurs get Jordan, Williams, Tatum, Morris, and Schroeder

Spurs line up

Schroeder/Murray/Parker
Green/Williams/ Ginobli
Tatum/Gay/Anderson
Aldridge/Morris
Jordan/lauvergne

15 Apr 2018 06:45:33
rkenne_16 seem good trade for spurs but sound bad trade to clippers.

15 Apr 2018 18:14:29
I don't think Tatum, an expiring Morris, and a top 10 1st round pick is enough for Leonard.

14 Apr 2018 13:22:48
kawhi leonard trade offer

suns receives: kawhi leonard, patty mills

spurs receives: Josh Jackson, Dragan Bender, Tyler Ulis #15 and #17 pick (via miami and via bucks)

or

timberwolves receives: kawhi leonard, patty mills

spurs receives: tyus jones, justin patton, andrew wiggins and #23 (via thunder)

or

knicks receive: kawhi leonard

spurs receives: courtney lee, lance thomas, frank ntilikina #9 #37 (from knicks) and knicks 2019 1st rd pk lottery protected

what team leonard landed if not to celtics lakers and 76ers what to knicks, wolves and suns

14 Apr 2018 15:17:28
knicks trade can't happen. if the knicks trade the #9 pick this year, they can't trade their #1 next year, lottery protected or not. can't be without a #1 pick in consecutive years according to the rules.

14 Apr 2018 16:07:15
The 1st one is decent if the Suns want to roll the dice on an expiring Kawhi.

The 2nd isn't enough for the Spurs. I don't see the Spurs valuing Wiggins. Especially, now that he's going to be making north of 25 million. The pick and Jones are decent assets, but not enough to get Kawhi

I don't think the third is enough either. I think they would want more than 2 good assets, a future late pick and some savings.

It's funny that on a Kawhi trade I made yesterday giving up 2 Lottery picks, 3 propsects that are only like half a step down from Ntilikina, more savings for the Spurs plus 2 future 1sts, a high 2nd and 2 potetial pick swaps, you said that wasn't enough for Leonard, but then you offer up these trades. The only trade that you could even argue gives more is the Phoenix trade and that's only if you're really high on Jackson.

14 Apr 2018 16:31:42
The pick belongs to the Bucks because it fell into the protection slot for the Bucks.

14 Apr 2018 16:45:24
PHX doesn't have the Bucks pick. It was protected, and stays with the Bucks this season.

14 Apr 2018 19:38:43
What team does Kawhi want to go to because he is just a rental otherwise can’t see him staying in Phoenix.

14 Apr 2018 20:29:50
Chriss, ulis, Miami first, + either bucks future first, or Miami future first.

13 Apr 2018 16:39:56
Celtics/Spurs Trade

*Trade would likely happen around the 2018-2019 trade deadline or this upcoming offseson*

Celtics Receive: Kawhi Leonard

The Celtics Get a defensive beast who can play either wing position or even power forward. him and Tatum would be the best wing duo in the league come 2 years from now and Kyrie will be able to facilitate the offense and play serviceable defense.

Starting 5:
1-Kyrie Irving
2-Kawhi Leonard
3-Jayson Tatum
4-Al Horford
5-Aron Baynes

Spurs Receive: Gordon Hayward, Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier, future seconds

At age 28, I'm guessing Gordon Hayward will be out of his prime in the next 4-5 years. Although he is on a great team now, Kyrie Irving and Jayson Tatum are the clear future of that team and I think that they proved that the year. When Jayson Tatum reaches all star level which could be in only 1-3 years from now, that would leave Gordon Hayward in the dark. If he gets to a team where he can be well coached and surrounded with a talented, diverse supporting cast, his legacy will be different and the Spurs could possibly attract superstars that want to play with Hayward and Brown (once he is at all star level) and under Popovich. The Spurs also receive Rozier who could finally fill that void at point guard.

Starting 5:

1-Terry Rozier
2-Jaylen Brown
3-Gordon Hayward
4-Lamarcus Aldridge
5-Pau Gasol

In a year when Jaylen Brown is really beginning to fit his mold at shooting guard and entering that superstar category, this team could be a force out West.

13 Apr 2018 16:52:57
Way too much for Leonard. Considering contracts, Hayward alone probably has more value.

13 Apr 2018 17:17:55
Since Leonard has injuries, a questionable desire to play and a contract that ends after next year, he would be worth maybe Brown plus a probable lottery pick. I get that there are salary matching issues, but that's the value. That's what the Cousins and Paul George deals netted the Kings and Pacers.

13 Apr 2018 17:23:02
All the hate for Kawhi from Celtics fans, but if Philly, Cleveland, or even Toronto gets Kawhi, the East is wrap next year barring injury and any of those team would have a shot in the finals.

13 Apr 2018 17:34:15
Way too much for Kawhi.

13 Apr 2018 17:35:51
Add onto all this. The Celtics want to get rid of Hayward because he only has 4-5 years of prime left. Seriously?

13 Apr 2018 18:02:47
I would love to see the Milwaukee Bucks send Jabari Parker, and a pick for Kawai Leonard. Parker wants out of Milwaukee. The Bucks offered Parker a 3 year deal for 54 Mil. He turned it down. He wants a max contract, even though he has never played a full season in 3 years. Both players have been hurt, But, Its my belief Leonard would be a better addition to Milwaukee, Than extending Parker. I don't know, "sign and trade? " (I'm sorry, I'm new to this. )

Any thoughts?

13 Apr 2018 18:31:16
I think Parker wanted to bet on himself that he'd play well, and earn a bigger offer. He and the Bucks have diffused any animosity rumors I believe. I don't value him at Kawhi value with the pick. I don't think he'll be offered much over 15, maybe 18, from other teams. Bucks can match, or do better, and if he still wants to bet on himself he could sign a 2-3 year deal. Either way, Bucks sign and trade and won't lose him for nothing. Parker just wants his pay. He's been on rookie pay. Playoff performances can change opinions quickly though.

13 Apr 2018 18:31:19
Torque, it's only possible after December since Parker needs resigned and if Parker gets 20 million, I'm not sure the Spurs see him as much of an asset. Even on his rookie scale it would take a lot more than him and a future 1st to get Leonard. I would say, Middleton or Bledsoe, 2 of Parker, Brogdon and Maker, and 2 1sts at the minimum.

13 Apr 2018 19:32:32
Thanks for the replies, and advice! I appreciate it! Parker did turn down 18 Mil. a year, stating he wanted more. I just don't think he's earned a max contract yet. He's been hurt to much, and again, hasn't played a full season since he's been drafted. I would rather see Milwaukee spend more on a center, Which they truly need, (Jordan? Whiteside? ) Henson, and Maker are both PF's who play Center, Zeller has been coming off the bench, but also isn't he answer. But, back to parker, I believe a change of scenery will do him, and Milwaukee good, no matter where that is. Thanks again for the replies!

13 Apr 2018 21:37:38
Parker denied getting the 54 mil offer I just read, or was unaware of it. Agent problems?

13 Apr 2018 22:17:28
@jorgawood, According to my grandson who lives in Wisconsin, The Milwaukee Journal-Sentential newspaper, the Bucks did offer the deal of 54 mil. and Parker stated he wanted a max deal upwards of 18 mil. a year? So, I'm just going by what he has told me. Bottom line to me is, I don't think he's worth the 15-18 mil a year I believe you mentioned before. I'll check back later, after I talk again with my grandson.

14 Apr 2018 09:25:20
54 mil offer was in Sept. I think, Parker gave an interview yesterday or today stating 18 mil would have been great. So, I really am not sure what the deal is.

14 Apr 2018 14:55:25
@jorgawood, My grandson hasn't heard anything else? Maybe Parker and the Bucks are going to work something out? I would rather see Milwaukee trade Parker, and? for a Center, Jordan, or maybe Whiteside? Henson, Maker, and Zeller just isn't getting it done.

13 Apr 2018 07:26:38
Celtics get Kawhi Leonard and get a Superteam for years.

Celtics get: Leonard and Gasol

Spurs get: Brown, Rozier, Morris and Horford + 2019 Clippers Pick and 2019 Kings Pick

Good Deal for both Teams. Kawhi wants out of San Antonio and C's don't give up Jayson Tatum.

13 Apr 2018 09:23:59
Tatum brown rozier no picks or no trade.

13 Apr 2018 11:26:46
Boston is not going to trade two starters, two other rotation pieces and two probable lottery picks for a guy who can walk away after next season and might not even want to play basketball.

13 Apr 2018 13:03:46
I think he wants to play basketball, I just don't think it's for the Spurs.

13 Apr 2018 13:06:36
supercollider i think he can walk after the season but i don't think he doesn't want to play basketball he want to play and medicaly clear to play but pop and spurs don't want kawhi to play so don't say he don't want to play.

13 Apr 2018 14:13:38
If he doesn't want to play for the Spurs, why would he want to play with the Celtics? Pop and the Spurs are the team that they try to emulate the most.

13 Apr 2018 15:01:25
Missing playoffs hurts him, even if he was pissed its a poor business decision. A good agent would advise against that strategy. Teams would have gladly offered something for him. Now he looks hurt. Damaged goods.

13 Apr 2018 16:31:53
Disagree, soxfan, Pop and Stevens are 2 different people. Pop, has become jaded, also old and grumpy. He wants everyone to be like it was in the old dsys. NBA is not like that anymore. Today, the NBA is all about young millionaires doing what they want and where they want to play. They want to go to where they can win rings.
Stevens is nothing like Popovich. yet lol.

12 Apr 2018 20:59:28
Jordan opts in
Celtics get Jordan
Clippers get Horford +2019 1st (LAC)

12 Apr 2018 21:08:04
I'd keep Horford.

12 Apr 2018 14:06:23
spurs offseason moves

if leonard want to leave and demand a trade if spurs want to have returns for kawhi leonard can be leave in his free agency spurs. if i am gm should trade him i should accept lessen value in returns but much better signing in FA market

lakers receive: kawhi leonard
spurs receives: brandon ingram, loul deng ( buyout or waive ) josh hart or ivica zubac and 2 future lottery draft picks. because of buyout or waive deng contract's spurs open 40.1M in their FA agents + 18 m in deng contract and spurs can sign biggest name like cousins, george, james, paul, but in 40.1m open salary of spurs 19.9M salary are coming in their PO player like green gay and lauvergne, if all of their PO decided to stay they going to open 38.2m to sign biggest names in FA market

or

76ers receive: kawhi leonard
spurs receives : dario saric, markelle fultz, jerryd bayless (buyout or waive) and 2018 los angeles lakers 1st rd pk lottery protected( from 76ers via lakers) and 2018 2nd rd draft pk

in bayless waive or buyout spurs add 8.8m salary in their of 40.1m and also can sign biggest names in FA market and also murray and fultz can be future spurs backcourt in 2-3 years

celtics receive: kawhi leonard
spurs receives: jaylen brown, marcus morris, semi ojeleye, cash consideration and 2019 memphis grizzlies 1st rd pk top 8 lottery protected

in 5m salary of morris and 4.9m salary of brown and 1.2m of ojeleye in 18.8 contract of leonard spurs have 7.6m free salary and their 40.1m salary in their FA spurs have 47.7m open salary to sign free agents but the 19.9m free agents in 40.1m is coming in PO players green gay and lauvergne

what your thoughts? what team should landed leonard lakers, 76ers and celtics if you have offer in kawhi leonard demand trade comment in my post

12 Apr 2018 14:26:13
Lakers deal is terrible, 76ers deal is plausible, and the numbers don't work in the third.

12 Apr 2018 15:07:11
rkenne_16 why lakers deal is terrible for what reason and 76ers deal is plausible? and why number don't work in the third ok make your own offer from lakers 76ers and celtics to leonard.

12 Apr 2018 16:40:42
Where are the Lakers going to get those two future guaranteed lottery picks to send to San Antonio?

12 Apr 2018 16:54:05
In the trade with the Lakers, the Spurs add over 7 dollars while trading their star. Ingram is a good piece, but not nearly enough on his own to get a top 10 NBA player. Those future 1sts will be late since Leonard will attract atleast one if not 2 other stars this summer. Hart and Zubac have some value, but not a ton. I'm not even sure if one of those future 1sts and Hart gets you out of Deng's contract, but let's assume it does and break it into 2 deals.
Hart and a late 20 2019 1st to get rid of Deng. That leaves Ingram and late 20s 2021 1st for A top 5 player. That would be a worst deal than Irving, George, and Butler got and I would argue Kawhi is far and away the best player of the 4.

The Philly one is plausible. Maybe that's the best offer the Spurs get, but I'd assume they get a little more. It's not a ridiculous trade though.

Kawhi's salary this summer will be just over 20 million and the combine salaries of the Boston players would be about 11 million. Since Boston is over the cap they have to match Salaries within something like 25 percent. They need to add somthing like 6 million dollars in salary here.


Lakers, 76ers or Celtics get Leonard

The Spurs get Deng, Ingram, Kuzma, the Cavs 18 1st and the Lakers 20 1st

The Spurs get Fultz, Saric, the Lakers 18 1st and the Philly 18 1st

The Spurs get Tatum, Brown, Morris, and the Celtics 19 1st.

10 Apr 2018 17:25:01
The Cavs get Jordan, Gallinari, Williams, and Beverly

The Clippers get Thompson, Zizic, Jr Smith(buyout), Korver(buyout), Clarkson, the Brooklyn pick, and the Cavs 2021 lottery protected.

The Cavs add defense and end up with a team that is a potential offensive Juggernaut with one of the best benches in the league and able play a variety of styles.

Pg Hill/Beverly
Sg Hood/Williams
SF Lebron/Osman
Pf Love/ Gallinari
C Jordan/Nance

The Clippers get rid of Gallo's bad contract, get something for a 30 year old center rather than resigning him to big money during a rebuild or letting him walk for nothing. They add a 3rd lottery pick this year, a future pick and some young talent. This also probably depletes their team enough to let them tank and get their pick next year instead of losing it to the Celtics.

10 Apr 2018 18:15:30
That pick wouldn't be lottery protected. I don't think of Gallinari as a bust or a bad contract. Injured a lot, yes. Williams, Jordan, Beverly are all solid, on good deals.

10 Apr 2018 10:37:10
The Jazz get Brown, Bayless, the Lakers 18 1st, Philly 18 1st, Boston 18 1st and the Grizzlies 19 1st plus they get 30 million in cap

They give up Gobert, Ingles and Crowder


The Celtics get Gobert and Crowder

The Celtics give up Brown, Horford, their 2018 1st and the Grizzlies 2019 1st


The 76ers get Horford and Ingles

The 76ers give up the Bayless, the Lakers 18 and their own 18

The Celtics get the best young defensive center in the league to come in and take their defense from great to down right scary. It gives them the center of their future and leaves them with plenty of assets if they want to make another move. They also get Crowder to fill in for the loss of Brown, now in a bench role.

The Jazz are stuck in Limbo with a team that has no way of making their roster better without trading away either Mitchell or Gobert. Without doing that it seems like they'll fall into that perennial 1st or 2nd round out team that doesn't have the fire power to be better. This starts a minirebuild around Mitchell who looks like he can be the guy on a championship team. He, Brown, the picks and whatever freeagents they can bring in could create a team that in 3 or 4 years are perennial favorites out west.


Philly adds 2 veterans that can help them take the next step. Horford is a great defender, can stretch the floor, can help facilitate second units, can play beside Embiid, can help keep Embiid's minutes down and can be a great fill in guy at center when Embiid misses games. Ingles is a perfect 3 and d guy for the 76ers. He can help alleviate the problems of Simmons and Fultz lack of shooting.

10 Apr 2018 05:54:33
Bucks - Celtics

Celtics receive: Giannis

Bucks receive: Brown, Tatum, Morris, Yabusele, 3m of non-guaranteed contracts (buy them like the Rockets did for CP3), pick 27, Best of Sac, Mem & LAC '19 1st round pick

10 Apr 2018 07:41:19
G. A. Is good, but I can't see BOS doing this.

10 Apr 2018 15:52:18
Agreed. I love Giannis, but that's a LOT to give up. It's not quite NY giving up the whole team to bring in Carmelo, but I think Tatum is as untouchable as you can be at this point.

10 Apr 2018 16:12:27
Giannis is worth that and more. The guy might end up being the best player in basketball. If you put shooters around him he's almost unstoppable, he can legitimately guard 5 positions, is a great off ball defender, and has the potential to become the best on ball defender in the history of the game. His 3 point shooting has gotten a little better and if it ever turns into even a below average shot it will be impossible to guard him. Oh, and he's 23.

10 Apr 2018 16:46:36
I think Giannis A. would be Untouchable right now. He's the best player Milwaukee has, why would they give him up? Look at it this way, Would Cleveland give that up for L. James? Would Houston do it for Harden?, Would any team give up their best player for it? I think not! I'm sorry, I just can't see it happening.

10 Apr 2018 17:52:04
Celtics won't trade both Brown and Tatum. Maybe you sub in Rozier.

06 Apr 2018 13:59:45
Revised Celtics Offseason Moves

Trade Horford and Rozier for Hassan Whiteside who is not happy with Miami.
Sign Amir Johnson to a 2 year contract for like 9 mil annually.
Select Jalen Brunson to replace Rozier
Let go of Smart and Baynes

Lineup:
Irving/Brunson/Larkin
Hayward/Brown
Morris/Ojeleye
Tatum/Johnson
Whiteside/Theis

06 Apr 2018 16:26:32
Horford is a better defender than whiteside, especially on the perimeter. Horford can guard 1-5. Why, or how would whiteside cost horford and Rozier?

06 Apr 2018 18:49:56
switch Morris to power forward and Tatum to small forward.

06 Apr 2018 20:20:14
Don't think the Celtics would do any of these moves. Baynes is better than Johnson, and would be significantly cheaper than the price tag you set. Horford is probably better than Whiteside, so why would they add a very good young talent too?

06 Apr 2018 21:33:25
Agree with jorgawood. Plus, why would they want Amir Johnson back?
At that kind if money? No way. Personally, I don't see Ainge moving Rozier, unless its in a huge deal for Leonard or Davis. Ainge loves Rozier.

07 Apr 2018 00:51:13
Rozier is a bad ass.

05 Apr 2018 18:28:46
Celtics fans, what would be the most you would be ok with the Celtics giving up for Leonard?

05 Apr 2018 19:09:05
Not a Celtics fan but I would say
2 1sts
Marcus smart (sign and trade)
Jaylen Brown.

05 Apr 2018 19:41:43
Rozier, Brown and a first (or two) is probably a fair-ish value. SA would probably want/ demand Tatum, but I can’t see that happening.

05 Apr 2018 23:35:13
The truth is the C's can't pull off a Leonard trade without adding one of Horford, Hayward or Irving, the cap implications don't work in any other manner.

I can't see the C's giving up Hayward or Irving, and moving Horford for Kawhi makes no sense for them either. They would have eight or nine PG's/ Wing players, and absolutely nothing up front.

As much as C's fans may want the Claw, sometimes deals are just not possible.

06 Apr 2018 01:41:12
It's possible to get a trade done, but obviously the Celtics will need to be willing to pay huge luxury tax in a few years and even more than just what they give up in deal, they'll have to look at what they'll end up having to let walk to save money or if things get really desperate to stay under the hard cap. Though, Ainge is crafty enough to sell guys for picks before they hit the open market and keep a good young revolving bench under rookie scale contracts.

06 Apr 2018 12:12:01
Not willing to give enough to get him. Injury concerns and a free agent in a year if he is healthy. No reason to risk a chunk of a rock solid future.

05 Apr 2018 14:26:22
Boston Celtics offseason moves:
The Celtics let go of Marcus Smart and Aron Baynes. Celtics pick Jalen Brunson. Trade Al Horford and Terry Rozier for Marc Gasol. Sign Nikola Mirotic to 2 year 8 mil annually. Lineup:
PG: Kyrie/Brunson/Larkin
SG: Hayward/Brown
SF: Morris/Tatum
PF: Mirotic/Yabuesle/Ojeleye
C: Gasol/Theis

05 Apr 2018 15:43:35
I don’t like the trade. I think Horford is more valuable at this point than Gasol.

Also, that starting lineup doesn’t seem right. I really think they’re going to go with Irving, Hayward, Brown, Tatum, Horford as their starting 5. Few teams can even start to match up against those 3 wings. It leaves them without a PF, but worth the possible defensive disadvantage (also, Hayward is still tall, he’s capable of handling quite a few PFs in the NBA today) .

05 Apr 2018 15:54:55
Grizzlies need to add player and celtics add picks. mirotic 16-20 per yr player next yr.

05 Apr 2018 16:15:27
Mirotic is not going to take 8 mil a year. He's already making more than that and playing well. Tatum would start of Morris and Hayward would play small forward anyway.

05 Apr 2018 16:46:41
1st of all Mirotic isn't even a free agent this summer.

05 Apr 2018 17:46:37
To get the deal done in N. O. There is already an agreed upon 12.5 mil. Salary for Mirotic next season.

05 Apr 2018 23:39:43
I don't like the deal for either the Grizz or C's. Gasol is in decline, and I like Rozier as the lead backup for Boston going forward. As for the Grizz, Rozier would be a very good addition, but taking on Horford is counterproductive for a rebuilding team. I only see a deal working if it becomes a three way deal where Horford ends up somewhere else and additional assets come from that team back to both the Grizz and C's.

 
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