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16 Aug 2018 22:29:52
Bogdanovic, WCS, sac 1st roun2019
J. Brown, moris.

17 Aug 2018 00:00:00
The Celtics already own that pick.

17 Aug 2018 00:01:40
Celtics already have kings 2019 pick unless it's no.1 (most likely)

17 Aug 2018 16:21:11
Removing the top 1 protection would be the only incentive the Kings could offer on that pick as it’s already going to Philly or Boston, which I don’t see them doing.

C’s pass as well.

16 Aug 2018 00:29:31
Raps and Celtics

Raptors send
Jonas Valanciunas, Fred Vanvleet, 2019 2nd, 2020 1st

Boston sends Kyrie Irving , 2nd round pick

Only If Boston thinks Irving will bolt ....

1 year rental for sure and a lot of money spent at the pg position . Irving or lowry can both play the 2 spot and with defenders like green , kawahi, Siakam , anunoby and hopefully Ibaka can be half the defender he used to be that side of the court should be fine .

Dynamic game changer like Irving raps can win us the east
Probably only have a 1 year window anyway, kawahi and Irving may both bolt but while we have the a player of this talent possibly for only 1 year go all in.

The raps first rounder in 2020 May be high if they both leave Also

For Irving I understand it's not enough but between injury issues , 1 year left, and u have other players that will be relegated to the bench for Irving and why upset them if he may leave a year later? Boston needs a true big and jv has decent range , great power , shoots ft pretty good and has stretches where he is really dominant .

Raps now have Monroe and Ibaka can play the 5.

Massai knows it's this year or bust

16 Aug 2018 01:25:20
I can't stand it. Lol
Why. WHY. would Boston help out their biggest rival to get to the finals.
They would let Irving walk before they would trade Irving to Toronto, even if it were for Leonard.

16 Aug 2018 02:21:23
Lmao C's fans are going to crucify you for this idea.

16 Aug 2018 02:22:59
Terrible for the Celtics and I don't think raps can trade 2020 having already traded 2019.

16 Aug 2018 03:35:28
The draft choices are worthless, Van Fleet probably doesn't crack Boston's rotation and Valanciunas is not the type of player the Celtics want. He might not even beat out Baynes. On top of that, Danny Ainge would be run out of town if he traded Irving to a team that might then have enough firepower to knock out the Celtics in a 7-game series.

16 Aug 2018 03:54:36
Not happening if Boston traded Kyrie it would be to the west.

16 Aug 2018 05:03:52
Irving for Melo is more fair.

16 Aug 2018 11:34:13
Irving for Melo is fair? What are you smoking?
Melo is lucky to be a top 50 player. There's a reason he's played on so many teams. he sucks.

16 Aug 2018 13:07:45
Ooh, I like Kyrie for Melo, though C’s might have to throw in a pick to get him.

Of course C’s don’t make this deal. Val is underrated, but Horford makes more sense for the way the C’s play at the 5, sending Val to the bench. It’s ridiculous to say Van Fleet doesn’t crack the rotation, but he becomes the backup to Rozier if this trade were to happen.

That effectively means two bench players, and two high picks for a team that’s already stocks with them. That equals a terrible return for Irving.

16 Aug 2018 16:43:47
You might get Kyrie Eleison for Melo Just not Kyrie Irving.

16 Aug 2018 23:59:39
Right supercollider. Let me guess. John walll. Lillard. Embiid. And Giannis wouldn’t crack this worlds greatest rotation.

Such a hyperbolic nut. The fact that you are talking up a backup center as if he’s this amazing thing goes to show. You are dillusional.

15 Aug 2018 10:49:57
bucks: Butler+ Irving

Minny: Middleton+ Brogdon

Boston: Bledsoe+ Maker+ 2 future first round picks Bucks+ 1rnd pick Minny

15 Aug 2018 11:11:21
Obviously you hate the Celtics. Bledsoe, sucks. Proved that in the playoffs. That return is ridiculous.
The last thing the Celtics need to make a run at a title is more draft picks.

15 Aug 2018 12:39:41
Why would Minnesota give up a 1st to get inferior players, one who has the same contract situation as Butler?

15 Aug 2018 14:20:19
@ Joe, three first round picks isn't a bad return for an expiring flight risk.

15 Aug 2018 14:59:16
Xxx, there is no proof that he is leaving, buT that aside, why would the Celtics scuttle their chances at going to the finals by trading one of their top 1-3 players?
Answer: They wouldn't. They will go for a title. If he walks at the end of the year, he walks.
Ainge is not afraid to lose a FA. I think he believes he can resign him, regardless of the reports that have him going somewhere else.

This year is title or bust.

15 Aug 2018 15:03:16
Xxx, to answeryour question, no it's not a bad return for most teams. But, it would not be a good deal for a team with championship aspirations.
Do you think the Warriors would trade him in a similar situation?
Would the Lakers? The Rockets?
Absolutely not. Can't understand why people would think the Celtics would. SMH.

15 Aug 2018 15:23:17
Agree with JoeB, with LBJ out of the East, and Boston a leading contender to get to the finals, this trade doesn’t make sense for them today.

As for the Minny return carl2006, not sure how you see Middleton and Brogdon as a garbage return for Butler, whether he was expiring or not. Middleton put up 20/ 5/ 4 last year, and would give Minny something they desperately need, a 3PT marksman. Brogdon’s 13/ 3/ 3 on efficient shooting numbers is also a really nice asset.

15 Aug 2018 17:08:51
Triagnle. I never said they were garbage. They are inferior to Butler, so both of them might get Butler, but Minnesota is also giving up a 1st, which tips the scale as a bad trade for Minnesota.

15 Aug 2018 21:05:04
I think Ainge could do this if he feels Irving is gone and Rozier keeps playing good.

This trade gives them an extra big man, Maker could still bevome a descent player.
This trade gives Boston the flexibility to get another star and stay competitive for the Title.

15 Aug 2018 21:46:01
You guys are crazy if you think Ainge will trade Irving. If he were inclined to do it, it would've been done long ago.
It ain't happening.
Rozier is not now, or will ever be as good as Irving.
I don't care who disagrees with me.

15 Aug 2018 23:08:18
Ok so it’s a bust season @joe! Nobody is beating the warriors this year it sucks to say cause it kinda makes watching basketball not fun but when Demarcus comes back at even 50% himself they’re unstoppable! Boston has a great team but nothing like this garbage gsw have made.

16 Aug 2018 01:29:15
You could be right, but the Warriors looked pretty vulnerable against the Rockets. The Cavs were awful, too.
But, we will all find out next June.

16 Aug 2018 23:23:58
The Cavs got swept bro so ya they looked horrible maybe Boston wins 2 games but still not beating the warriors, like I said it sucks we already know the champions of 2019 (I hope I’m wrong) but almost certain I’m not.

12 Aug 2018 11:55:48
Mavs get Hayward Kanter C's 2019 1st
C's get Porzingis Mathews Hardaway Burke
Knicks get Irvings Yubesele Jordan
Ojeleye Kleber-cut

Mavs have solid starting 5 and key vets on bench to playoff run. Risk of taking on Hayward gets late 1st


Celtics might loose Irving to NY as it is. Hayward may never be the same player. Clearing out of his contract is a safe risk. Porzingis might put C's as a legitimate contender ahead of the raptors and sixers. With out 2 more picks


Knicks loose their star unicorn to get better sooner without thinking of 2019 free agency or dump lee noah 2019 1st for Shumpert Randolph Koufos and purse fa next yr or This allows them to think 2020 free agency where they can be contender with additional 60 in cap space. Many options


12 Aug 2018 13:16:12
Not a chance that the Celtics move Irving and Hayward at all, never mind for that package. Ridiculous.

12 Aug 2018 14:25:02
Irving and Hayward are not going anywhere -- especially for a guy who might not even play until the All-Star break, if even that. Celtics are good at center with the Baynes/ Horford/ Theis mix. Mathews, Hardaway and Burke might not even be rotation players in Boston.

12 Aug 2018 15:45:19
I’d take Irving or Hayward over Porzingis. Both for him is ludicrous.

12 Aug 2018 17:00:29
Ok but when Irving leaves and Hayward not worth 35 mil per yr don't get mad at me. Irving already had 3 knee surgeries. Mathews clears you of Hayward. Hardaway will be worth Hayward for 1/ 2 the cost. Obviously, the trade won't happen Porzingis announce a December trade.

12 Aug 2018 18:51:13
Are you the only one that doesn’t realize that Hardaway isn’t all that good. He’s at best a player you can bring off the bench to get buckets and at worst a black hole that takes touches away from guys that can score far more efficiently. If you want a guy like that you could trade for one on a better contract. Rodney Hood is a more efficient version of that with more upside and he couldn’t even get an offer sheet. Comparing Hardaway to Hayward is ridiculous. There isn’t 1 area of the game Hardaway where Hardaway is more productive.

12 Aug 2018 19:04:37
Irving is not playing for the knicks next season. That franchise is still in rebuild mode. Porzingis is more likely to go to Boston than Irving to New York. Unless its Brooklyn we're talking about and other guys are going there to form the mythical super-team. Both scenarios are highly unlikely. 100:1 odds.

12 Aug 2018 19:07:58
I’m a bit confused as to your definition of efficient scoring. Hood shoots at a lower fg percentage.

You say more upside, but they have played the same amount.

Care to explain or is it just a homer comment?

Hardaway is paid too much. Simple as that. But the guy has a solid place in the league. More so a 6th man.

I do find it funny that supercollider is so dillusional he thinks that the 10th man on the Celtics is an all star level player. At least he must if he claims everyone would fail to be in their rotation.

I’m still curious why Celtics fans are so cocky about the team. You didn’t even make the finals. You’ll have excuses and reasons. But you accomplished the exact same as the suns. You didn’t win the conference. You didn’t win in the playoffs. Awesome.

12 Aug 2018 19:40:59
That's funny coming from a fan 9f a team that hasn't even sniffed the playoffs since Bernard king.

12 Aug 2018 19:51:30
Knicks, Hood gives you 1.18 points per shot compared to Hardaway giving you 1.14 pps. Shooting percentage is a pretty flimsy stats. Hood has 1 fewer years in the league, he’s bigger, and he’s a better shooter. It’s splitting hairs, but in the end they’re comparable players and Hood’s contract will end up being significantly less.

The point is Hardaway would be pretty hard to trade without taking bad money back or including assets. There was probably some exaggeration in there though after seeing Shizzee compare Hardaway to Hayward.

12 Aug 2018 20:26:01
Bigger star had just as bad injuries and never recovered fully (Grant Hill. )

12 Aug 2018 20:52:50
I’m fairly sure the doctors said there was minimal ligament damage and comparing an injury from 2 decades ago to now is pointless. Sports medicine is miles ahead of where it was at that point.

13 Aug 2018 04:33:55
Irving and Jordan are both free agents next year and can possibly leave so knicks trade there whole starting 5 for 2 players that are on 1 yr rentals? Lol makes no sense.

10 Aug 2018 20:40:17
MIN: Middleton, Maker

BOS: Butler

MIL gets: Hayward.

10 Aug 2018 20:50:55
Hayward is not getting traded!

10 Aug 2018 22:00:54
I think Mil says no.

10 Aug 2018 22:05:32
Why do you need to include Boston in this deal. Just send Butler to Milwaukee.

I think both players will opt out after next season. I think that both teams feel they have a better chance of re-signing their own free agents, especially Milwaukee.

Butler will be in high demand next summer.

Nice try though.

10 Aug 2018 22:17:07
Middleton isn't getting traded either!

11 Aug 2018 00:38:27
It seems like a better deal, if you just take Boston out of the trade.

11 Aug 2018 01:40:10
I could see a Middleton butler swap.

11 Aug 2018 14:25:54
I like the Butler for Hayward swap, but i don't think boston wanted to trade Hayward, unless they get A Davis.

12 Aug 2018 22:53:30
Middleton > Hayward The trade only makes sense if Milwaukee needed to shed a bad contract.

05 Aug 2018 16:37:33
Deadline deal if k love balls out

Celtics recieve-Kevin love

Cavs recieve-Jaylen Brown,Marcus Morris

05 Aug 2018 17:22:54
Is that a joke?
Maybe Morris for Brown even up, but there's no way on god's green Earth that the Celtics move Brown for Love -- or for anyone else on the Cleveland roster.

05 Aug 2018 17:54:38
How many games has jaylen brown played in?

05 Aug 2018 17:58:54
Allstar games*.

05 Aug 2018 19:03:33
I don't care about playoff experience. Unless its love for R. Anderon Noah or Deng. He has no value with 5 yrs on contract and has mental issues. Name another player who suffers from depression signed long term. Exactly none.

05 Aug 2018 19:49:25
man kevin love with half a brain is still better than jaylen brown right now, think jaylen brown is a good player, but klove dominates him in most statstical categories and the 4 is the position Cs need help with, to contend.

05 Aug 2018 20:33:35
DeMar DeRozan is signned for another 3 years, through 2021. He inspired KLove to speak publicly about his depression. Two brave people and excellent teammates.

05 Aug 2018 21:12:07
Both minny and cavs kevin love missed extended time due to mental issues. DeRozan missed any time. Bad comparison. I compare love to beasley.

05 Aug 2018 21:43:47
Seems like you really care about Mental Health.

05 Aug 2018 21:46:13
Shizzee:I was just answering your question of " name another player who suffers from depression signed long term? ". Direct quote. So I gave you DeRozan. Nothing about comparing the two situations. Thought that was straight forward.

05 Aug 2018 23:49:26
Whoever thinks Brown is not as good as Love is nuts. This coming season will be Browns 3rd. He was a dominant player last season. Love is a very good player, but he cannot carry a team. All those rebounds in Minny, and all he was, was an all star. He wasn't winning anything, until he went to Cleveland to play with James and Irving.
Brown is so much more than Love. He is young, very athletic and can defend along with being a dominant player who is only going to get better and better. They are two very different players, to compare then is wrong. But there is no way that Love is worth Jaylen Brown. now, or ever.

05 Aug 2018 23:49:54
Love missed 2 halfs this year and to my knowledge, he didn’t say he missed any other time due to mental health. How is that an extended period of time? Stick to trying to figure out how to trade the Knicks for a new team.

06 Aug 2018 02:48:34
The hate of shizzee to Love is starting to sound like how Supercollider hate Carmelo. C'mon, Who has the mental issue?

06 Aug 2018 12:44:23
Brown was dominant JoeB? I guess I missed his performance at the All-Star g. oh wait, he wasn’t there. Wonder why, 14.5 and 5 don’t get you invited?

Very good young prospect, yes. Dominant, no. Better than Love now, no. Better than Love in a couple of years, likely.

Boston has a much bigger need for a front court player than a wing, and Love makes them a better team today than Brown does.

06 Aug 2018 14:23:29
I mean, I guarantee there are many, many more players who suffer from depression to some level. You just don't hear about it because they either don't realize it themselves, or they're not ready to talk about it. If you're going to talk about Love's head being an issue, talk about the concussions he's had. Add him to Horford on the Celtics, and you're one head bump away from losing your starting frontcourt.

Comparing Love to Brown is a bit of an apples and oranges situation. Is Love the kind of guy who will carry a team for a season. I don't think so. He's a proven player, and I think he's gotten a lot of blame that he shouldn't have in Cleveland. But I see a lot of potential in Brown. like Leonard potential. It might wind up being that he only becomes a very good third guy type player, but he's got that top dog potential, which leaves me to want to keep him instead. His floor, in my eyes, is a Kevin Love level star, with a superstar ceiling.

06 Aug 2018 17:10:10
First, #'s don't add up.

Second, C's can't afford KL's contract if they plan on maxing Kyrie.

Third, Depending on what Kyrie does after this coming season will determine Browns future with Boston.

Fourth, Horford is a big part of C's. I can see him being extended.

07 Aug 2018 00:24:01
Triangle, who cares about All-Star teams? Brown was as dominant as any 2nd year player as there was in the league last season at 21 or 22?
He is only going to get better and better. Love mya only have a few good years left. Brown is only beginning.

07 Aug 2018 14:01:44
Love is cavs savior.

Read and see if want him for 5 more years. Rkenne, Love was such a non factor, that last 2 yrs in row missed 20 games you say only game 2 games. In fact in 10 yrs he only 70 games 5 times. When he physically gets injuried he mentally gets depressed. Read it.

07 Aug 2018 14:05:57
It's always fun to see a Cavs-Celts trade idea.

07 Aug 2018 14:08:48
The K Love Boat sailed Years ago Jaylen Brown is great for the Boston system unless AD or KAT becomes available don’t think Boston will trade anyone . Boston are willing to pay luxury tax they could also stretch Horford , trade Morris, trade Yabusele, still got a load of draft picks . Kyrie is the key for Boston’s roster what he decides to do will give Boston a idea going forward.

30 Jul 2018 17:47:58
LA Clippers moves

-Waive Sam Dekker and Milos Teodosic

2018/ 19 Lineup:
Pg. Beverley, SGA, Evans
Sg. Bradley, Williams, Robinson
Sf. Harris, Moute, Thornwell
Pf. Scott, Gallinari, Johnson
C. Gortat, Harrell, Marjanovic

•Team finishes 10th in West


-Lottery lands Clippers pick at #12 (pick stays with LAC since it’s protected 1-14 to Boston)

12: Louis King (F, Oregon)

-Waive Avery Bradley (non-guaranteed)

•Free Agency:
-Sign DeMarcus Cousins 3yr 90m
-Re-sign Tobias Harris 4yr 105m
-Re-sign Patrick Beverley 2yr 12m
-Re-sign Luc Mbah a Moute 1yr 4m
-Re-sign Wesley Johnson 1yr minimum
-Re-sign Boban Marjanovic 1yr minimum

2019/ 20 Lineup:
Pg. SGA, Beverley, Evans
Sg. Williams, Robinson, Thornwell
Sf. Harris, King, Johnson
Pf. Moute, Gallinari
C. Cousins, Harrell, Marjanovic.

30 Jul 2018 19:01:50
Could have let teodosic walk already why waive him now? I'd fire my gm for a mistake like that.

30 Jul 2018 22:48:54
Harris is not coming money is not an issue.

31 Jul 2018 01:54:30
Apparently Harris turned down a similar dollar value contract already, which while surprising, makes me wonder if it’s that he does not want to be a Clip next year.

Btec is right on Teodosic, why guarantee him and then cut him.

If DMC comes back healthy and plays great for GSW, you may not be far off on his deal’s value, though 3 years may be a year too many.

Personally, I think they’ll chase Claw or Klay before considering DMC.

30 Jul 2018 03:52:27

BOS get Anthony Davis & Solomon Hill

Pg Rozier/Smart/Purvis
Sg Brown/Bird
Sf Tatum/Hill/Ojeleye
Pf Horford/Morris/Yabusele
Ce Davis/Baynes/Williams

NOLA get Kyrie Irving, Jimmy Butler, Gorgui Dieng & 1st round pick from BOS via SAC

Pg Irving/Payton
Sg Holiday/Moore
Sf Butler/Miller
Pf Randle/Mirotic
Ce Dieng/Ajinca

MIN get Gordon Hayward & Daniel Theiss

Pg Teague/Jones
Sg Hayward/Rose
Sf Wiggins/Okogie
Pf Gibson/Theiss
Ce Towns/Patton

30 Jul 2018 11:36:53
Why does Minnesota do this?

30 Jul 2018 13:04:25
Because they’ll lose Jimmy B for nothing this upcoming offseason.

30 Jul 2018 14:23:45
This isn't the worst package I've seen for Davis. The Pelicans actually get a really good return, and Minnesota winds up getting two great pieces to replace Butler and (upgrade) Dieng. The big issue I see is from Boston's side. If they decide that Irving definitely isn't staying, this isn't a crazy overpay or anything, but I really don't see Hayward going anywhere. DA is as cold blooded and calculating as any GM out there, but even he isn't likely to pull that one. I would say that's worse than moving Thomas last year.

30 Jul 2018 18:30:06
It may not be the worst offer for AD but that's because most of the other offers are really lame. There is no way the Pels do this deal. Butler is a one year rental. The remainder of that package is nowhere near AD's value So keep dreaming Boston Fans.

30 Jul 2018 23:00:48
Hayward is another yr away before worth any value. Irving and Butler is gone the following yr. Those picks hold no wait. No brow.

30 Jul 2018 22:14:32
Celtics without Irving, Hayward, Theiss adding AD is still roughly the same team, maybe worse than the pelicans.

24 Jul 2018 15:33:00
The Pistons get Smart, Morris, Yabusele, Pervis and the Boston 2019 1st

The Pistons get Drummond.

24 Jul 2018 15:58:02
I don't understand the love for Drummond. He's a really good rebounder, and a big body. but that's about it. He IS still only 24, but he hasn't shown me anything in relation to developing his game in his 6 years. He's still just a big body who rebounds at a big contract.

24 Jul 2018 16:04:36
So two average players and two absolute scrubs, plus a very late first Rd pick gets you Drummond? Don't think Detroit goes for this. The ol " 3 dimes and two nickels don't get you a dollar" analogy may apply here.

24 Jul 2018 16:43:16
Drummond has shown growth. He’s increasingly shown flashes of flashes of being the defender he should be, before Blake got there he was passing at an elite leve for a big, and his free throw shooting was a ton better. Take all that raw talent plus last year’s improvement and put him with a great coach and system and you may end up with an absolute monster. If he can be the defender his abilities show he could be, he’s the perfect fit in Boston’s biggest hole. Plus his age lines up with their time line and they get him fairly cheap.

Jvoug, Drummond and Griffin clearly don’t work together and Drummond had more value. I think the Clippers were lucky to get what they did out of him. Smart can kind of be a culture guy for a team that needs culture and he’s a good player. Morris would fit well at pf next to Griffin and give the team more shooting. They could play small and run, while letting Griffin play some of the point forward stuff. They could make a team that just thrives on fast breaks with 5 players that can handle the ball. The other 2 guys are young and could develop into something. Plus they get a pick, which are hard to come by right now. They could do worse, but you might be right and maybe the Celtics could give up the better of the LA and Memphis pick or add another future 1st.

I just think that the Pistons need to trade either Blake or Drummond. They’re probably better off keeping Drummond, but they may not be able to get much for Blake. So maybe rolling the dice and trying to build a team around Griffin with a decent haul for Drummond might make more sense. For the Celtics, I think this could be a low/ medium risk, Huge reward type move that could put them past the Warriors if Cousins isn’t what he was. The biggest struggle the Celtics have is rebounding and best way to beat the Warriors is dominating the glass.

24 Jul 2018 17:47:56
Rkenne16: I'm not debating if Griffin and Drummond work well together, they may not he a fit at all. But I'm datn sure Detroit can get a better return for Drummond then this. Yeah, Drummond fits great in Boston. But Detroit doesn't care. They want the best return possible. This surely can't be that.

24 Jul 2018 18:05:17
Jvoug, yeah, I admit that I may have low balled it, but I only think I did by maybe an extra Boston pick or one of their better 19 picks. It just seems like the value of more traditional centers is down and stars in general. Which makes me think something like that offer is close to fair.

24 Jul 2018 18:12:05
Why does everyone think that Bostons biggest need is a center? They came within one game of getting to the finals. Put Irving in that series, Celtics win in 5. Never mind adding Hayward and Theis.
Everyone agrees that Ainge and Stevens knows more than any of us, that if they thought they needed that type of playr, that they would have gotten one.
So suffice to say, they are not giving up all that for Drummond.

24 Jul 2018 23:29:30
They’re weak on the boards and Horford struggles against physical centers. If they had a real center they probably beat the Cavs last year. Instead Horford was abused by Tristan Thompson and even a healthy Celtics probably doesn’t fair much better than the Cavs against the Warriors. Horford would struggle with Green and the lack of rim protectors on the Celtics would let the Warriors play inside out. Also, the Celtics lack of rebounding would let the Warriors get out in transition more. They need a center and that’s why it seems like Ainge would be willing sell his children’s souls to the devil if it meant he got AD.

24 Jul 2018 23:35:38
Ok Boston makes it to the finals and gets absolutely destroyed by the warriors wouldn’t ya want Drummond defending cousins?

24 Jul 2018 11:08:43
Magic Trade Evan Fournier Johnathan Issac two 2019 first round pick unprotected & protected Terrance Ross Nikola Vucevic 2019 second round pick

Boston Trade Kyrie Irving Marcus Morris

Wolves Trade Jimmy Butler

Magic get Kyrie Irving Jimmy Butler

Boston get Nikola Vucevic Terrance Ross 2019 second round pick ORL 2019 first round pick (protected) ORL

Wolves get Johnathan Issac Evan Fournier Marcus Morris 2019 first round pick (unprotected) ORL

Magic are done rebuilding need to start winning games

24 Jul 2018 13:23:01
Celtics aren't giving up Kyrie for that.

24 Jul 2018 14:08:35
Well I tried but I live Orlando anyway.

27 Jul 2018 22:57:32
Way too beneficial to Orlando. There is an unwritten rule in the NBA that if you trade with Celtics or Lakers you must get screwed, so this deal would not work.

24 Jul 2018 07:41:54
Unlikely trade to happen, but would be amazing:

Twolves receive: Morris, Brown, Yabusele, Purvis, Ojeleye, Theis, 2x '19 1st (Bos & Clip)
Boston: Butler

Twolves get some good pieces to help contend this year and in the future for a player that will leave at the end of the year.

Boston can start; Irving, Butler, Tatum, Hayward, Horford. With Rozier, Smart, Baynes off the bench.

Also after the season would still have assets to throw at the Pels for Davis (Horford & 3-5 firsts)

24 Jul 2018 07:53:17
I like this trade for Boston talentwise.
But is Boston able to keep Butler after next year. He would want a max contract.

24 Jul 2018 11:07:37
Seriously? All that for Butler? Not a chance in Hell. Brown is as good as Butler, if not better. Take Brown out and still would be too much, since Butler can walk at the end of the year. What are you people thinking. Wow.

24 Jul 2018 11:35:45
JoeB - did you just say Brown is better than an all NBA player and all NBA defensive player?

24 Jul 2018 13:05:38
Unlikely to happen. Then why post? If a trade doesn't even pass the posters' realistic test--why share?

24 Jul 2018 14:45:40
Every trade is unrealistic to just about everyone that reads the post. Heck, some even agree and still click unbelievable just because.

But way too much for Butler! Plus don't need Butler, need a lights out shooter for the bench.

24 Jul 2018 16:47:32
The all nba, mvp, and others are glam awards I don't pay attention to. Lillard made all nba. There are many SG's butler is one, who are better than lillard.

24 Jul 2018 18:14:27
I agree that Brown is just as good a guy to have as Butler. If you look at their stats, other than point totals, Brown is already on Butler's level. I feel like people just look at the PPG difference, and leave it at that, but Brown had a better 3pt% and 2pt% this season than Butler has had in his entire career. If he can bring his free throw % up, he should have a better FG% as well since Butler has only bested Brown's FG% this season twice.

When you look at the Asst per game and rebounds per game, Butler's numbers are higher, but it gets a lot more interesting if you look at the advanced stats. The only category that Butler is far and away better is asst%.

Add to all this that Butler is about to turn 29 with 7 seasons under his belt at a contract of $18 Mil with however much you'd have to pay him in FA next season, and Brown is turning 22 the month after with only two seasons under his belt at a cost of 5-8 Mil over the next three seasons before hitting restricted FA. I'm taking Brown.

24 Jul 2018 23:40:53
Put brown on any other team and he his not that good same as Draymond you Boston fans are the scrubs of nba have fun getting whooped every year by the warriors! Browns as good as butler was the funniest thing I’ve seen all day.

23 Jul 2018 12:57:34
Minny: J Noah+ Porzingis

Boston: Drummond+ 1rnd pick NY

Detroit: Ntilikina+T Hardaway+ Knox

NY: J Butler+ Irving

23 Jul 2018 13:43:59
Why would the knicks do this?

23 Jul 2018 15:27:14
Knicks would just wait until free agency and try to sign them so they don't have to give up good assests. And they would want to keep Porzingis fizdale loves him and they would want a big 3 2 all stars might get you to the finals in the East but you definitely won't win with just 2 all stars unless you build around them perfectly and here the Knicks lose depth a great young asset in Knox and Porzingis. Knicks say no.

23 Jul 2018 16:39:43
The Knicks have been "waiting for free agency" to pull all stars for.20 years? Hasn't exactly been working.

23 Jul 2018 16:41:57
Irrated cavs fan smh.

23 Jul 2018 18:14:00
Irving for Drummond is an overpay for the celtics. Drummond is okay but Irving is elite level talent. Drummond can hardly make a jump shot.

24 Jul 2018 05:31:16
Well i think the celtics do this if they think kyrie leaves and drummond is a multiple time all star who had a better def rating than gobert last year.

23 Jul 2018 09:39:08
If Butler gets traded before the deadline, do you think Minnesota blows it up once again? I think they will.

Celtics get Towns
Wolves get Brown, Rozier. Clippers pick and Grizzlies pick.

23 Jul 2018 10:14:23
As much as I'd love that, I think Towns is the one you rebuild around.

23 Jul 2018 14:05:28
I don't think that's nearly enough. Brown is a special guy, I think, but Towns is a special big man, which is something else entirely, and he's also young. There aren't many players I would move Brown for, and I've said on here many times I wouldn't move him for Leonard, but Towns (and also Davis) is someone I would. Davis is trickier than Towns because of the current contracts, and the players that would need to be moved. A Brown/ Rozier package would work as a start to bring in Towns, while one of the other big guns would have to be sent to New Orleans.

23 Jul 2018 18:16:58
Too early to call with wolves. Towns was atrocious in the playoffs. A big man who can't post up? Kind of the easiest thing to do as center. If butler leaves towns and Wiggins have a long way to go in their development. Wolves will be lottery for a couple seasons.

23 Jul 2018 22:39:48
You have to add Tatum to any deal involving towns/ Davis they’re to good to young and finding bigs that good is much harder then finding a pretty good sg/ sf I like brown a lot but he is nothing great y’all act like he’s a superstar which he’s not so honestly I doubt either end up in Boston ever.

22 Jul 2018 06:17:03
This is a bit ridiculous, but I wanted to see if Boston fans would think it was worth it

The Celtics get Davis and Harkless

The Trailblazers get Hayward

The Pelicans get Turner, Portlands 2019, 21, and 23 1st, the 2019 Clippers, Kings and Memphis 1sts, the Celtics 20, 22, 24 and 26 1sts (26 lottery protected.

22 Jul 2018 06:26:53
An all star and 7 firsts? That’s just too much cost from Boston.

No one is worth 10 firsts, too much for anyone.

22 Jul 2018 14:57:19
I'm not saying it's fair value for Boston, but at this point, it would take a ridiculous offer to get Davis. Also, that team would be a monster. They can match up with any style. They would be amazing defensively. They'd also be elite on offense and enable to throw out lineups that no one else couldn't contend with.

22 Jul 2018 15:49:03
That’s a lot of 1sts for Portland to give up, and a poop tonne for Boston. That’s Nets’esq, and I don’t see a team making that mistake again, even though Davis is a bunch of times better than what the Nets acquired in that deal with the C’s.

22 Jul 2018 16:23:22
Price is steep for sure, but if you're telling me that I can get AD for 1 player off of my roster (Hayward) and a bunch of picks, I think Ainge would drive Hayward to New Orleans.
I also think that the Pels, say no, very quickly.

22 Jul 2018 16:25:49
Sorry, I meant Ainge would drive Hayward to Portland.

I also think Portland says no, that's way too much to give for Hayward.

22 Jul 2018 18:22:36
Ainge would not drive GH to Portland simply because this traded wouldn't happen.

C's have one spot open and they might not even fill that slot till TD. But if they do it has to be for the likes of Kyle Korver. They'll need someone to come of the bench and knock down 3's at a 40%+ clip to get 6-12 pts quickly.

22 Jul 2018 20:30:39
Of course it wouldn't happen. Portland and New Orleans would say no. I still think Ainge would.

22 Jul 2018 21:00:58
The Clippers pick is propably going to convey in 2 second round picks.

Boston could do this without trading the 2024 pick and a lottery protection on the 2026 pick.

23 Jul 2018 23:12:16
@Joe Realize that you're dealing with Celtics fans. They think every Super Star would be privileged to play for them and every other team should willingly give up their once in a generation Player

They can keep their picks and we will keep AD in NOLA.

20 Jul 2018 06:08:41
Boston Trade Marcus Morris Kyrie Irving

Spurs Trade Pau Gasol Patty Mills 2019 first round pick (TOR)

20 Jul 2018 06:19:09
lol. Ainge would never make that trade, because it is horrible.

20 Jul 2018 07:31:43
That’s more of a package for just Morris, not Irving.

20 Jul 2018 12:55:20
Geez, I hate agreeing with C’s fans, but Bmiller is pretty much right. That package may get the Spurs Morris and a 2nd.

22 Jul 2018 17:28:11
You need to just stop, you’re clueless man.

18 Jul 2018 20:12:22
Here another block buster for you all I think could work
Boston, Cleveland , Minnesota,San Antonio , Washington

Cleveland would get
2019 memphis pick from Boston
2019 Washington 1 round pick
2019 Boston's 1 round pick
Washington 2020, 2022 2nd round picks
C Ian Mahimi
Sign and trade.s
Pg.s Marcus smart , and Tim Frazier
Sg Jodie Meeks

Cleveland need to re build this would given them great chance to start to rebuild as they would have 4 1round picks next year's

Minnesota. Would get
Clippers 1 round pick from Boston
Pg Jordan Clarkson
Sg J.R. Smith
Sg Rodney hood

Boston would get
Sg jimmy Butler
Sf Kawhi Leonard
C tristen Thompson

Spurs would get
Boston 1 round from phil.
Sf Otto Porter
Sg Jayon Brown
Pg terry Rozier
Pf Larry Nance

Wizards get
Pf Marcus Morris
Pf Kevin love
C Paul Gasol
Sf Kyle Korver
C/f Taj Gibson
Spurs 2020 1 round pick

18 Jul 2018 21:26:11
Can't include anything else in a s&t.

18 Jul 2018 21:30:49
Kahwi to toronto.

18 Jul 2018 21:40:43
Kawhi is a Raptor.

18 Jul 2018 22:40:19
Unbelievable, since Leonard has been traded to the Raptors.

19 Jul 2018 16:25:05
Before the actual Toronto trade, I would have thought about this. I've been steadfast in not wanting to move Brown for Leonard as I think Brown will be Leonard, but if he's the only major player moving and they're getting back Leonard AND Butler I'm in. I think it would have been an easier bet to bring one of them back if all of them are there already. although you're looking at some CRAZY contracts at the end of the season. But Irving/ Butler/ Leonard/ Tatum/ Horford with Hayward coming off the bench? That's a little nuts.

20 Jul 2018 13:43:27
Dude. Celtics fans are insane. Jaylen Brown. Rozier. And some crap picks will never get you that. NEVER.

22 Jul 2018 17:36:37
The Cavs don't need to rebuild? Idk why you all keep insinuating this. they actually have a good team, they’re still going to make some moves and will be make playoffs.

18 Jul 2018 04:18:55
Not probable but hyperthetical have valuable do celtics consider Porzingis.

Celtics get Porzingis Hardaway Lee Thomas Noah
Knicks get Harford Leonard Yubesele Theis Mills
Spurs get Hayward Ntilikina Celtics 1st

Espn trade machine favors Boston favorably even with all the injuries



Green Gasol for Whiteside
Monroe vet min


18 Jul 2018 13:52:49
If knicks have to i would swap Kanter and Noah.

18 Jul 2018 19:20:08
This would be terrible for the Celtics. Horford, Hayward, Theis is better than Porzingis, Hardaway, Lee, and then they're moving a 1st and a young prospect in order to get Noah and Thomas? You're literally downgrading every single piece in this move for Boston.

16 Jul 2018 23:13:07
Bucks Eric Bledsoe Malcolm Brogdom Thon Maker 2019 first round pick
to Boston

Boston Trade Kyrie Irving to Bucks

17 Jul 2018 00:12:16
I don't know your obession with Irving traded bucks. But similiar to cleveland nobody wants to go to milwaukee unless its football.

17 Jul 2018 04:21:35
K. Irving has stated he would like to play for the Knicks. I would like to see Milwaukee put together a package to Charlotte for K. Walker. I believe he would be better than Irving playing along side Giannis. A. Maybe Bledsoe, Brogdan, Maker, (Wilson? ) and a 1st rd 2019 pick for Walker, and F. Kaminsky The Bucks should also consider signing C. Woods (Summer league C/ PF player) to a 2 way contract, just having released Plumlee from his 2 way contract.

17 Jul 2018 05:29:26
Walker is a fine basketball player but you will miss the Bledsoe defense with walker instead. There's only 1-3 arguably better Pg's than Irving. Irving is ridiculous smart with the basketball, a fearless shooter, ridiculous Chris Paul handles. Hard to beat Irving.

17 Jul 2018 10:00:40
That's a lot forwalker who's a ball dominant pg like Bledsoe I think they need arubio type more also wood said he wouldn't take a 2 way he would go overseas again.

17 Jul 2018 11:13:09
I love how everyone assumes that Irving is going to the Knicks, because of a report. The inference yhat Irving has stated ANYTHING public is ridiculous. He has not said one word about his future, other than to say he won't be signing an extension this off-season, because he can't unless he wants to leave millions on the table. SMH lol.

17 Jul 2018 13:14:40
Millions on table lmao like they gave smart. Celtics are limited on 35 mil per yr players they have 2.

13 Jul 2018 13:18:04
Bucks Send Thon Maker Eric Bledsoe
Tony Snell to Boston

Boston Send Kyrie Irving to Bucks

Bucks will be Favorite in East Kyrie and Giannis

13 Jul 2018 14:00:20
That's an awful package for Irving.

13 Jul 2018 14:01:22
Boston send Kyrie Irving Marcus Morris to bucks.

13 Jul 2018 14:07:43
No way Kris Middleton getting traded for him lol.

13 Jul 2018 14:41:12
So someone points out that it is a horrible package the celtics receive so you make it worse by giving out an important role player? That makes sense. This trade is worthless for the celtics.

13 Jul 2018 14:50:49
Boston wouldn’t even trade Irving for Middleton, let alone this pile of average to below average players.

13 Jul 2018 14:52:40
I'm sure Danny Ainge lays awake at night trying to figure out trades that will make the Bucks better than the Celtics.

13 Jul 2018 15:46:02
Every post this Mikecluumsdugason has posted is 1 sided garbage trades. His normal response is what, the money works. Just because the money works, doesn't mean it's a fair deal.

13 Jul 2018 16:05:32
Old school, pay attention to all these cav fans attention. Its to irritate any and all other teams fans with 1 sided trades, unless it involves cav players which now Kevin Love will get value like he is Lebron. Smh.

13 Jul 2018 17:21:27
Shizzee, I don't think I've ever seen you post a trade that wasn't a. 1 sided Knicks trade.

13 Jul 2018 20:01:15
his posts aren't onesided knicks trades. they just make no sense for any of the teams involved.

the guy posting this just posts absurd trades, says listen guys, he's averaged x amount of points. its perfect.

then he writes lmao as a comment for all other trades.

he doesn't watch basketball.

14 Jul 2018 23:48:01
Well if we are keeping score

I post one sided Pels trades
Shizee posts one sided Knick trades
The Bucks fans kinda reject all trade offers for their Players
SuperCollider hates all Melo trades
Slvrestde posts one sided Raptor trades

But the Cavs fans have RKenne who is moderately one sided, Lil J and Matt and this Guy. We don't even come close to lopsided compared to the Cavalier contingent. I mean y'aqll post some epic one-siders.

17 Jul 2018 19:46:41
If they knew now that Kyrie wasn't going to stay in Boston, and more importantly, that he also didn't want to stay with the Bucks, I would actually think about this. None of these individuals are nearly as good as Kyrie, but I would be very interested to see what Brad could do with them. Maker has the potential Unicorn skill set, Bledsoe could be very similar to Smart, and everyone seems to love Snell as a bench guy. That said, if they were to move Kyrie, they would be able to get a much better return on him.

12 Jul 2018 11:52:58
Boston Trade Kyrie Irving Marcus Smart 2019 first round pick (Kings)

Spurs Trade Kawhi Leonard

Spurs Buyout or Waive Danny Green

12 Jul 2018 12:13:10
Spurs can do a Sign And Trade for Kyrie Irving and Marcus Smart Spurs can offer Smart 1 yrs 14.8

After buyout Danny Green contract.

12 Jul 2018 13:12:23
Can't trade another player along side a S&T.

12 Jul 2018 13:14:27
Stil doesn’t work salary wise. $35M coming in, $20M going out. Mills would have to be included in the deal, and possibly White as well.

12 Jul 2018 15:50:43
beyond that, its an absurd trade. the kings pick is likely top 5, possibly number 1. all for what, a rental of leonard? its foolish.

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