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14 Dec 2018 17:53:00
Pelicans full rebuild


BOS- Anthony Davis, Solomon Hill

IND- Gordon Heyward, Elfrid Peyton

NO- Myles Turner, Jaylon Brown, Terry Rozier, Tyreke Evans (exp), Daren Collison (exp), Cory Joseph (exp), four 2019 1st via BOS (BOS, MEM, LAC, SAC)



PHI- Nikola Mirotic
NO- Markelle Fultz, Mike Muscala (exp), 2019 1st

DRAFT
3 (NO)- SF RJ Barrett
10 (SAC)- PF Nazreon Reid
13 (MEM)- C Daniel Gafford
25 (LAC)- C Goga Bitadze (stash)
28 (BOS)- SF Louis King
30 (PHI)- SG Tyler Herro


2019 Roster
C- Myles Turner
PF- Julius Randle
SF- RJ Barrett
SG- Jaylon Brown
PG- Jrue Holiday

Bench
C- Daniel Gafford
PF- Nazreon Reid
SF- Louis King
SG- Markelle Fultz
PG- Terry Rozier

Plenty of cap space and a lot of good young talent. Obviously this team won't compete in 2019/2020, but if the young guys pan out, 2021 can become a very exciting year.

14 Dec 2018 18:30:21
The rose rule prohibits Davis and Irving together on the same team until after July 1, or one of them renegs their current contract.

15 Dec 2018 04:34:46
Davis reneges his contract and becomes a FA and signs a max contract? Is that how it would work out?

15 Dec 2018 13:35:41
Irving expires July 1st. Davis still has 2 seasons of his rose rule max left.

14 Dec 2018 17:21:53
3 team trade


Pelicans
Jaylon Brown
Terry Rozier
Myles Turner
Tyreke Evans (exp)
Daren Collison (exp)
Cory Joseph (exp)
2019 1st (from SAC via BOS)
2019 1st (from LAC via BOS)
2019 1st (from MEM via BOS)
2019 1st (from BOS)


Celtics
Anthony Davis
Solomon Hill

Pacers
Gordon Heyward
Elfrid Peyton

14 Dec 2018 22:01:15
Is it true that Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis are both "Derrick Rose Rule" contracts and thus cannot be on the same team?

14 Dec 2018 23:04:02
Until July 1, 2019 when Irving's contract expires. It has a lot of parts for its full explanation, but in general Davis, and Irving are both Rose Rule max contracts currently, and no team may possess more than 1 Rose Rule player contract.

15 Dec 2018 10:10:20
So the earliest would be the start of next offseason. So don't expect to see AD traded until at least then. One it enables NO to place a super max offer in front of AD and two it enables Boston to put an actual executable offer down for AD.

15 Dec 2018 19:45:58
To the Celtics anyway. It was always sort of that way league wide anyway but someone could come to the table with a ridiculous offer the Pela can't refuse. The Suns 1st right now would motivate me if I were the Pels. I'd trade Holiday, Randle too and start a full rebuild. Hopefully around Williamson.

15 Dec 2018 22:40:17
Its one of the better trade AD and rebuild proposals, but Tatum would also have to be added.

11 Dec 2018 19:35:49
LAC-BOS-HOU

LAC gets Hayward, Rozier, 1st rd pick via BOS 2019, 2021

BOS gets Tobias Harris, Eric Gordon, Lou Will and 2020 1st rd pick via HOU

HOU Jaylen Brown, Pat Beverly


Rozier/ Teo
Alexander/ Bradley
Hayward/ Mbah Moute
Gallanari/ Mike Scott
Harrell

Kyrie/ Smart
Tatum/ Lou Williams
Harris/ Gordon
Morris/ Theis
Horford/ Baynes


CP3/ Beverly
Harden/ Green
Brown/ Ennis
Tucker
Capela.

11 Dec 2018 20:08:18
Yeah it’s ok but I think Boston is staying together until Davis is available.

11 Dec 2018 20:40:39
Seems really bad for Boston (though I'm still high on Hayward, he's rounding into form) .

11 Dec 2018 20:50:05
Clips want rozier why?

12 Dec 2018 03:36:25
Why wouldn't LAC want Rozier?

11 Dec 2018 17:18:06
With LBJ comments about "it was here or the garden" did he say he would of signed with Boston if not Lakers. Would cavs did a sign and trade heyeward and sac pick for James or would Boston traded horford for a trade exception to sign james. Like horford to Lakers for a pick because the Lakers had the cap.

Lakers have the cap to sign Irving next year. That would be the best move to reunite with James and trade Ball Ingram and kuzma plus 3 first for Davis. Kuzma looking like a good second option or could get better and lead there team.
Irving
Hart
James
Davis
McGee or use mle on Jordan if he takes it. And sign other veterans to fill roster.

11 Dec 2018 17:40:29
The last thing Irving wants, is to play with Lebron again. He will resign with Boston.

11 Dec 2018 17:58:22
The Garden=Madison Square. The Knicks. Not the Celtics.

11 Dec 2018 19:20:37
Your right b mil I don't know y I thought Celtics. I was just waking up and write this in my sleep lol.

11 Dec 2018 23:21:04
No way he meant Madison Square Garden. Why would LeBron consider playing for the Knicks? They are a bad team, nowhere near contending for a championship. LeBron is all about winning now as his career winds down. Of course he meant the Celtics. Lol.

12 Dec 2018 00:34:06
Celtics fans lmao.

12 Dec 2018 01:00:05
Are the Lakers that close to contending? It’s no secret that Lebron has always loved NY and MSG. There’s no doubt it was MSG he was talking about. I’m surprised anyone could confuse what he said.

10 Dec 2018 12:24:06
DET- BOS

Detroit trades
Reggie Bullock
Luke Kennard
1st round pick

Boston trades
Jaylen Brown

10 Dec 2018 15:34:20
Kennard wouldn't be in Boston's rotation and the Celtics have plenty of first-rounders. So it's basically Brown for Bullock, and there are lots of reasons Boston would not make that deal. If the Celtics make a trade, it would probably be a 2-for-1 to thin out their rotation, not add to it.

06 Dec 2018 03:17:41
Boston/ Wizards


Boston - Hayward and Ojeleye
Washington - Porter and Smith

Wizards roll the dice on Hayward and Porter could be a nice small ball 4 for Boston

Irving
Brown
Tatum
Porter
Horford

Wall
Beal
Hayward
Morris
Howard (when healthy)

03 Dec 2018 16:19:42
CELTICS/ WIZARDS/ NUGGETS

CELTICS - O. Porter Jr, Oubre Jr
WIZARDS - Millsap, Rosier, Beasley
NUGGETS - Hayward

CELTICS - Porter helps an already robust defense and Oubre becomes a nice piece off the bench. Porter Jr's contract is high but arguably looks better than Haywards with his rough start.

WIZARDS - Millsap is still a useful piece and his contract has a team option for next year. This wouldn't be simply a salary dump though as the Wizards would also get a potential Wall replacement in Rozier. They'd need to have a taker for Wall (wink/ wink Phoenix) . Beasley was buried a bit in Denver but he's still on his rookie deal and could blossom with a new start. So Wizards get future salary relief, potential cheaper Wall replacement, and a flyer on a young dude.

NUGGETS - Obviously Denver would be betting that Hayward would do better in a different environment and they do have a need at SF even with a healthy Barton. Lyles, Plumlee, and Hernangomez can soak up Millsap's minutes. Denver has shown they want to be in the mix for big name stars (ie. rumors regarding potential Butler, George, and Love trades) but have yet to be able to attract any via free agency - Millsap being the exception. Trading is the only way they get it done. However, with Denver currently sitting at #1 in the west, hard to see them messing with the sauce right now. A fun idea nonetheless.

03 Dec 2018 16:39:27
I don't think the nuggets need a SF with a healthy Barton that costs 31mil. Millsap is playing great for them, and will re-sign for less likely. Celtics should trade Hayward after the season. Hopefully he puts his game back together by then. Consistently.

03 Dec 2018 16:56:55
The two players Boston gives up are both better than either player it gets in return. Hard no from Ainge on this one.

03 Dec 2018 18:33:43
Agree with Supercollider this time.

02 Dec 2018 03:29:20
Celtics- Hawks

Hayward , 2019 Celtics 1st , 2021 2nd
For
Bazemore , Dedmon

02 Dec 2018 03:16:13
Celtics- Knicks

Hayward , Brown , 2019 Celtics 1st , 2019 Clippers 1st

For

Kanter , Lee

Irving
Lee
Tatum
Horford
Kanter

02 Dec 2018 07:53:46
You are insanely undervaluing Brown and Hayward here. NY would have to give up a 1st or even 2 1sts to get this done.

02 Dec 2018 08:33:26
No chance.

02 Dec 2018 13:02:17
Damn, I hate to laugh at these knds of posts, but sometimes you can't help it. Hahaha hahaha.
Porzingis, and at least an unprotected 1st or two would have to be included.

02 Dec 2018 15:13:03
Hayward is terrible and not worth more than about 8-10mil of his deal right now but to lose the first's on top and Brown is over the edge and then some.

02 Dec 2018 16:46:26
Hayward is getting better and better right now. He is starting to take over games. Not sure why people are dissing him. It has taken Paul George 2 to 3 seasons to get back to his All Star form. Hayward will get there, maybe sooner, maybe later, but he will get there.

02 Dec 2018 18:03:08
JoeB any trade for Hayward is a diss in reality. I've said it would be ignorant to trade Hayward now if I were Ainge from the beginning due to Haywards recovery process. However, Hayward has to go if Davis is a possibility this summer. If Hayward can finish the season up around 18, 5, 3, 1.5 - 2 steals per? Maybe he could be dangled without a loss in the Davis trade. It would be ideal to conceal any value loss in a Davis deal because Davis is sure thing barring injuries.

03 Dec 2018 01:51:01
I honestly think Davis will be injury prone throughout his career, but when healthy will be a beast.

29 Nov 2018 23:42:58
Celtics get Anthony Davis and Solomon Hill

Pelicans get Al Horford, Jaylen Brown, Robert Williams, the Kings/76ers first round pick, and Boston's unprotected first round picks in 2019 and 2021

The Celtics do this trade for obvious reasons. AD is a generational talent who is still young and would love to go to a franchise like Boston. He could save this season for the Celtics and put them back into championship contention.

The Pelicans do this trade because they will more than likely lose AD as a free agent in the summer of 2020 if they don't trade him, and they can get more for him now verse if they decide to wait a year. Brown is a great young talent who is underperforming because of his limited role on a loaded C's team. NOLA would be a good place for him to develop and reach his full potential. Williams was a first round pick in 2018, so the Pelicans are essentially getting 4 first round picks to build with going forward. They also get a veteran big who was an All-Star last year to help fill some of the void left by AD's absence.

30 Nov 2018 01:12:41
Davis and Irving are Rose Rule contracts and cannot be on the same team until July 1, 2019.

30 Nov 2018 01:40:26
Celtics can not have Davis and Irving on the same team this year so unless you trade Irving in this it cannot happen! The Rose Rule.

30 Nov 2018 09:00:37
Can't happen until July 2019 AD and Irving can't be on the same team until then per the Rose Rule.

30 Nov 2018 14:24:56
Even if it could happen, it wouldnt.

30 Nov 2018 15:16:04
Every rose has it's thorn.

30 Nov 2018 17:38:12
Ring-a-round-the-Rosie!

01 Dec 2018 14:07:52
New Orleans has a lot of leverage because teams like the Lakers have cap room for the 2019 season but Davis isn't a FA until the 2020 season. This means that the only chance they can get him is with a trade and that means that come next summer Boston and LA will be bidding against each other.

29 Nov 2018 16:33:57
Celtics get Markelle Fultz and the 76ers unprotected 2020 first round pick

76ers get Terry Rozier, Guerschon Yabusele, and Semi Ojeleye

The Celtics are about to lose Terry Rozier for nothing, and he isn't happy about his minutes. Yabusele and Ojeleye are young and have upside but get next to no minutes. The Celtics lose some depth in this trade and free up minutes for their other players while taking on a high-upside project in Fultz. The C's developed Terry Rozier through the G league and made him into a stud, perhaps they can do the same with Fultz. If Fultz busts, they can waive his team option in 2020 and they'll at least have a first round pick to show for this deal.

The 76ers part ways with their disgruntled guard and get a great young player who can help them win now in Rozier. They also get some much needed depth at the forward positions in Yabusele and Ojeleye. Sacrificing a future first is tough, but with the east being pretty open this year and considering the team has already gambled on Butler for this year, they might as well go all in and complete the roster in hopes of making a championship run.

29 Nov 2018 21:00:27
Salary doesn’t work and rozier doesn’t really seem like the guy Philly needs.

29 Nov 2018 21:05:36
Best Sixers could hope for in a Fultz deal with Boston is Yabusele. Celtics could then send Fultz to Portland for the year and see if he can get his head straight. No way Boston would make the above deal unless they need Fultz and the No. 1 to make a separate trade, maybe with New Orleans -- perhaps Brown, Fultz, Rozier and No. 1s as far as the eye can see for you-know-who.

29 Nov 2018 22:06:35
What did Portland ever do to you collider? They have at least 7 guards already. Only thing worse is Hayward valued at half his current contract!

29 Nov 2018 23:23:04
****Portland being the Maine Red Claws.

30 Nov 2018 03:07:14
Gotcha. The other Portland, with way less homeless people. Was last I was there anyway!

29 Nov 2018 15:42:16
Celtics get - Davis

Lakers get - Holiday

Pelicans get - Tatum, Horford, Ball, Kcp, Beasley, and all of Celtics 2019 1st

Irving/Rozier
Brown/Smart
Hayward/Ojeleye
Morris/Theis
Davis/Baynes

Holiday/Rondo
Hart/Stephenson
Ingram/Svi/Bonga
Lebron/Kuzma
Mcgee/Chandler

Ball/Payton
Moore/Kcp
Tatum/Hill
Mirotic/Randle
Horford/Diallo

29 Nov 2018 16:30:17
Kyrie and Davis can't be on same team by rules.

29 Nov 2018 16:38:18
Lakers wound want Holidays contract and definitely don't help the celtics get AD.

29 Nov 2018 18:25:38
Would have to happen after the season. But swap Horford for Hayward.

29 Nov 2018 18:30:55
Rose Rule. Have to wait until July 1, 2019 to trade either Irving or Davis to the others' team. Both are rose rule contracts.

29 Nov 2018 22:32:05
Sub Moore instead of Holiday, take Hill also and maybe.

28 Nov 2018 21:23:55
Pelicans and Celtics stuck. Pelicans should go beyond the Davis area Boston needs improvement and Hayward needs a fresh start, Rozier desire a starting spot - Holiday is in his prime and a good complete for Rozier.

Celtics:
- Davis
- Holiday

Pelicans:
- Williams
- Morris
- Hayward
- Rozier
- 2 x 1st 2019 (Celtics have up to 4 of them)

Celtics will have the best scoring team and defense team as well, Tatum is as good as Hayward:

- Irving, Holiday, Brown, Tatum, Davis, Horford

Pelicans can start arround Rozier, will have Williams, Randle, Mirotic, Hayward and Rozier and draft two ot that SG in the deep draft 2019.

28 Nov 2018 21:38:51
I would do that in a heartbeat, j u at don't think the Pels, would.

28 Nov 2018 21:50:14
Irving, and Davis are both rose rule contracts and can't be on the same team together until July 1, 2019.

28 Nov 2018 21:55:02
Pelicans say no instantly. That package probably wouldn't even get them just Davis plus you are throwing in Holiday. If they get both Davis and Holiday they would likely have to give up Tatum if i'm Pelicans i don't trade both of them away unless Tatum is involved in the package.

29 Nov 2018 14:26:31
Not much of a Homer Celts fan non now are ya?

27 Nov 2018 12:55:39
Both teams underachieving and need a change up. Why not hit the reset button and undo some moves?

Boston gets Joe Ingles, Alec Burks, Jae Crowder, future first

Utah gets Gordon Hayward, Semi Ojeleye, second rounder

Boston brings back Crowder who played very well there, get two role players (Burks in an expiring deal for $11M which is big), and we all know Ainge loves hoarding firsts.

Utah brings back their star to put with Mitchell and Gobert. This is a risk, but a needed one as they are at the bottom of the west when they could be competitive in the playoffs.

Thoughts?

27 Nov 2018 13:53:55
I think it’s too much for Hayward. Replace Ingles with favors and remove the first think that’s better for both.

27 Nov 2018 14:20:16
Why not a fair trade?

28 Nov 2018 00:07:02
Doesn't make Boston better and makes Utah worse.


Boston needs to use picks (3 #1's) and trade a player (s) (Brown, Smart, Rozier) for a star.


Jazz are not going to trade a 1st to get GH back.

27 Nov 2018 08:58:33
Utah- Cleveland

Cle: Ingels+ Exum+ 1rnd pick
Utah: K Love

Utah-boston

boston: Favors+Crowder+selofsha
Utah: G Hayward


Utah
C: R Gobert
PF: K Love
SF: G Hayward
SG: Mitchell
PG: Rubio
sixth: Burks

27 Nov 2018 14:23:48
Horrible for the Jazz.

27 Nov 2018 15:35:51
No way the Jazz give up Ingles, Exum and a 1st pick for the injured K. Love!

Plus as Btec stated before, Utah doesn't want Hayward back!

27 Nov 2018 08:09:05
Miami - Boston
Celtics send Hayward , Brown , 2019 Celtics 1st .

Miami sends Whiteside, Richardson

Kyrie
Richardson
Tatum
Horford
Whiteside

27 Nov 2018 08:35:46
I like Whiteside going to Boston, A defensive center is just what they need, but Boston fans are going to break this down because Whiteside has a bad attitude.

27 Nov 2018 10:17:58
No Gasupo, Boston fans will break this down as giving waaay too much for a player that made it seem like Miami couldn't give this guy away before the season.

27 Nov 2018 14:36:35
Well both of those statements are true, and I will add in that it's also a bad fit in the offensive scheme. Aside from his lack of range, Whiteside is a ball stopper, and Stevens' system (when it's working properly) is built around ball movement. I do agree that a rim protector should always be on their radar, but someone with some passing skills from the pivot would be the kind of guy they need.

27 Nov 2018 06:59:03
Celtics- Magic

Celtics send Hayward , Rozier
For
Vucevic (exp) , Fournier , 2019 Magic 1st

Trade would benefit both teams .

27 Nov 2018 09:07:35
How would the Magic benefit? GH isn't the same since the injury. I wouldn't give up anything for him at the moment. Bis salary is way to high. Rozier is a RFA and Gas to be paid as well. Having no cap space by paying Gordon, 2018 Hayward, Mozgov and Rozier doesn't take you anywhere.

27 Nov 2018 11:09:53
Magic Declined that deal.

26 Nov 2018 18:54:29
Raptors celtics

Raptors get Hayward

celtics get Powell, miles and Wright and first round pick.


then celtics trade Terry to the spurs for gasol and second round pick

Raptors and celtics and spurs all improve.

Raptors get another shooter
celtics get a more reliable bench and guys who don't demand the ball.
spurs get a starting pg

26 Nov 2018 20:04:21
So many reasons this doesn't work for Boston.
None of those guys coming in would strengthen the Celtics bench. Gasol is 38 years old and is almost out the door. Plus, the last thing Boston needs is more draft choices.
Toronto and San Antonio would be better, though.

26 Nov 2018 23:07:25
No way Danny helps make Raps better. OG instead of Powell brings it closer, but you don’t give up the best player in a deal with the team you’re most likely competing against to see who gets to the NBA Finals.

27 Nov 2018 00:46:00
Hayward is downfall of squad, you almost had it. But 1 injury away 1 horrible contract away. U can't resign Irving max deal. Your not getting the brow either unless you overpay

Celtics get Lee Kanter
Knicks get Hayward 4 2019 1st.

26 Nov 2018 17:13:42
BOS-GSW-CLE

BOS gets Green, Livingston, Iggy, Korver


GSW gets Hayward, Rozier, 1st rd pick via BOS

CLE gets Morris and 2nd rd pick via BOS 2020


Sexton
Clarkson
Hood
Morris
Thompson


Curry/ Rozier
Klay/ Evans
Hayward/ McKinee
Durant/ Looney
Cousins/ Bell

Kyrie/ Livingston
Brown/ Iggy
Tatum/ Smart
Green/ Theis
Horford/ Baynes.

26 Nov 2018 17:33:33
GSW is definitely not toying with their lineup this much, this season.

27 Nov 2018 01:56:50
Boston would not trade the players for that return, and you want them to give a 1st and a 2nd to boot?

24 Nov 2018 03:02:40
Boston- Smart, Brown, 1st+2nd rd. pic

Washington- Beal.

24 Nov 2018 03:52:02
Wiz are asking a high price for him, if that's a good 1st, it's a competitive trade.

24 Nov 2018 14:26:00
As far as value goes, it's a pretty even trade. I'm not sure if it works out for Beal or for Boston though. Boston is losing two of the few guys that don't have to be ball dominant for another guy who wants the ball in his hands. I feel like Beal would run into the same issues with Kyrie that made it a tough relationship with Wall in Washington.

For Washington, if Wall is physically able to be himself, this could work out well. Sliding Smart and Brown in next to another Morris teammate would give them a lot of toughness. Brown is much better than he's shown this season, and this should help him blossom as an offensive focus. Smart will do Smart things wherever he is.

 
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