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24 Sep 2017 21:49:34
Bulls - Thunder

Bulls gets:
2018 2nd Thunder
2018 2nd Celtics (31-55 Protected)

Thunder gets:
2020 2nd Bulls (31-55 Protected)

Bulls have 7 million in cap space left now when Mirotic have signed his deal. They got a 2nd round pick when they took on Pondexters contract and now they get another one for taking on Singlers.

Thunder get a roster spot open and save 4,666,500 $ + luxury tax money when they move Singler. Now they can sign a new backup center (Hibbert?) and focus on winning a championship.

24 Sep 2017 20:18:12
Boston: R Gobert

Charlotte: A Horford

Utah: M Williams+ MKG+ 1rnd pick LA+ 1rnd pick Memphis+ 1rnd pick Charlotte 2018 and 2020

24 Sep 2017 20:38:35
Utah says NO instantly.

24 Sep 2017 19:55:50

Boston has Horford and Baynes, and that's about it up front. No depth. Through 103 games, Okafor has averaged 15 points and 6 rebounds in 26 minutes a game. And he's just 21yrs old. Granted he struggles immensely on D, but if horford is off, in foul trouble, or injured, who scores inside for boston????
Sixers have too many young centers in Embiid, Holmes, and Okafor. Celtics have potentially 4 #1 picks in 2019.

Sixers get: worst of Kings, Grizz, Clips or Celtics 1st rd pick in 2019.
Boston gets: Okafor

24 Sep 2017 21:32:54
Anthony Davis unlikely to be made available, but Celtics need to keep their No. 1s in case the Pelicans panic.
That's not saying Okafor isn't worth a late first, just that the Celtics need to hang on to as many assets as possible for a bigger fish.

23 Sep 2017 21:02:31
I think OKC are the biggest winners of the offseason now

Remaining moves:

•Trade Kyle Singler, Boston's 2018 2nd, and own 2019 2nd to Chicago for Jerian Grant

-Sign David Lee

PG: Westbrook, Felton, Grant
SG: Roberson, Abrines, Ferguson
SF: George, Grant, Huestis
PF: Anthony, Patterson, Collison
C: Adams, Lee, Johnson

2 way contracts: Daniel Hamilton and Semaj Christon.

23 Sep 2017 21:09:00
It's time for league to force Dolan to sell the team.

23 Sep 2017 01:34:38

BOS get Willie Cauley-Stein

SAC get Kyle Singler, Dakari Johnson , 2018 BOS own 1st & OKC 1st 2018

OKC get Marcus Morris & 2nd round pick from SAC

BOS get a young center and slide Horford to PF

Pg Irving/Rozier/Larkin
Sg Brown/Smart
Sf Hayward/Tatum
Pf Horford/Yabusele
Ce Cauley-Stein-Baynes

SAC get 2 late 1st for their young center

Pg Hill/Fox
Sg Hield/Bogdanovic
Sf Jackson/Carter/Singler
Pf Randolph/Papagiannis/Giles
Ce Koufos/Labbisiere/Johnson

OKC get a starting stretch 4 to strenghten their roster

Pg Westbrook/Felton
Sg Roberson/Abrines/Ferguson
Sf George/McDermott/Huestis
Pf Morris/Patterson/Grant
Ce Adams/Kanter

21 Sep 2017 10:34:28
Boston: Porzingis+ Noah

NY: A Horford+Oyele 1rnd pick LA+ 1rnd pick Clippers+ 1rnd pikc Boston

C: Porzingis/ Noah
PF:Morris/ Yabusele
SF: Hayward/ Tatum
SG: Smart/Brown
PG: Irving/ Rozier

C:Hernangomez/ O'quin
PF: Horford/Oyele
SF: C Anthony/ Kuzminskas
SG: Hardaway/ C Lee
PG: Ntilikina/ Jack

21 Sep 2017 12:12:41
even dumping noah’s contract doesn’t make this return worth porzingis.

21 Sep 2017 12:18:51
No way Celtics give all of that if they take on Noah's contract, gees you Knicks fans just can't realize that Noah has the most negative trade value in the whole league.

21 Sep 2017 13:10:32
We Knicks fans do realize that Noah has no or negative value on the trade market, but if you want Zinger, Noah's going to be part of the package.

21 Sep 2017 13:19:40
Corkins is right. Noah's contract is a poison pill on just about any trade. But Boston is not going to give up its best big, a lottery pick, two other No. 1s and Ojele for Porzingis anyway. Adding Noah makes it a non-starter.

21 Sep 2017 13:20:20
If it's going to be Zinger + Noah than all you could probably get is Celtics own 1st rounder and maybe Ojeleye, you are not getting Clippers pick because it could easily be lottery pick.

21 Sep 2017 14:15:35
The trade would be difficult to work with Noah in the mix. Horford would have to be involved at that point and the Celtics see him as a valuable player, while the Knicks probably wouldn't want his contract. You would have to bring in a third team. At this point I think KP is probably untouchable. Plus, the first priority for the Knicks is moving Melo.

21 Sep 2017 14:33:32
i just don't think you trade a 22 year old centerpiece/ future mvp candidate for horford and picks. boston would have to add brown/ tatum.

22 Sep 2017 03:36:35
First, i'm a Pacers fan, not a Knicks fan.

I don't get Boston fans, do they want to win a title?
If you wan't something, you have to give something.
They get a top three Powerforward, for the next ten years.

Ok, they have to take Noah's contract, but Porzingis is still on his rookie contract, so they can absorb that.
The celtics pick is going to be a late first rounder and the Clippers pick is top 14 protected.
So the only really good draft pick is the LA pick ( or sacramento or Philly pick) . And it's still a gamble, those teams could improve or they could draft the wrong player.
And Horford is a great player, but he's 32 and aging. The Celtics would have a short run for a title with him, but i don't think they can beat Lebron and no way they can beat GS the next trhee years. So in my opinion, all those assets are expendable for A guy that can give you a title run for 10 years.

22 sep 2017 19:28:57
knicks are not trading zinger to celts! give it up!

20 Sep 2017 23:35:58
Boston: Jokic

Denver: 1rnd pick LA 2018+ 1rnd pick Sac 2019+Oyele

C: Jokic/Yabusele
PF: Horford/Morris
SF: G Hayward/ Tatum
SG: Smart/ J Brown
PG: Irving/ rozier

21 Sep 2017 03:51:09
Boston doesn't have both picks. They get one or the other. They get La's pick if it falls between 2-5. If not they get sacs 19.

21 Sep 2017 03:51:23
Probably need to include Tatum as well.

21 Sep 2017 04:11:06
Boston doesn't own both the laker 2018 and the kings 2019, its one or the other dependingl on the protection.

16 Sep 2017 17:16:07
The Celtics get Jabari Parker and Monroe

The Bucks get Horford and a lottery protected Boston first

The Celtics get a player that has a ton of potential for cheap if he can come back healthy. They also could clear out a near max contract for next summer. Horford is to old to match the rest of the team and his contract is stopping them from going and getting a player that does fit. Monroe can work as a stop gal for them.

The Bucks get a borderline veteran allstar to help their young team take the next step. They also get out of paying Parker, who hasn't proven he can stay healthy.

16 Sep 2017 19:56:46
This makes no sense on a bunch of levels.

1. The value isn't right. That first is going the wrong way. Horford is a borderline all star. Monroe is bad, and Parker can't stay healthy.

2. The potential vs age seems backwards as well. Boston wants to compete now, where the bucks seem like they're another year away. I don't see Boston making a move that sacrifices short term for potential long term.

18 Sep 2017 13:46:04
I don't understand why people want to move Horford out of Boston. The way the team is put together, he didn't have crazy point totals, and he's not a top end rebounder, but he is a very capable scorer when called upon. Most importantly, he's a playmaker in the frontcourt. He averaged 5 assists a game, which I believe led all Centers (if not all big men, but I can't remember the article details I read. either way impressive. ) To put it into perspective with some of the best centers in the league Cousins had 3.9, Davis had 2.1, Whiteside had 0.7, Embiid had 2.1, Gasol came close at 4.6.but Horford was the elite in that category, which is one of the most important stats for Stevens' ball movement system. He's the glue at this point.

18 Sep 2017 15:04:35
While I may agree that Horford didn't live up to most peoples expectations, he was a huge in the playoffs. He's a great playmaker and Passer who can shoot 3'S. He is, was, and will be a steady veteran presence for the C's. He is exactly what Ainge and Stephens wants him to be.

18 Sep 2017 16:15:27
I'm not saying Horford isn't a really good player. He's a borderline allstar and can help teams in a variety of ways, but he's 31, he's signed for 3 more years, and the last 2 years he's going to be making almost 30 million dollars. Boston has the pedigree, young core, young established stars, assets and coach to either make a big trade at some point or go after big time free agents. I think they need to get rid of Horford while he still has more value than his contract. He isn't going to be valuable to a team trading a star and the cap space he's taking up will prevent them from going after a younger star. Boston is at minimum a year away from really being a contender in the East (2 or 3 if the Cavs keep it together) and probably 4 years away from being able to stand a chance against the Warriors. That window doesn't match up with Horford.

For the Bucks they have a ton of young talent, but Jabari has looked like an awkward fit even when healthy, they don't have much veteran leadership, and unless Giannis can turn into a top 2 or 3 player they're never going to be a destination for top flight free agents.

18 Sep 2017 19:24:21
I don't think that Boston cares about the contract commitment. They are keeping him to try and win now. When his contract is up, Irving will be in his prime, Heyward, Brown and Tatum should be at the top of their games (at leat that is the hope) and they should be on or near thetop.
I'm not sure that they cannot make it to the finals this season. Cleveland could be starting the decline. Just saying it's possible, only time will tell.
As far as the Warriors are concerned, prior to all the trades the C's have made, they seemed to have matched up really well with GS. Weve won a couple of games and reasonablY close to them in the losses. After the trades, we may or may not match up as well. But, I have a lot of faith in Danny!

18 Sep 2017 19:29:23
I don't think Horford would be moved in this deal. Parker is really taking a risk not knowing health wise, and they don't want Monroe. C's would pass

Maybe in a deal for M Gasol or one of the towers from NOLA, I'd like to think for AD but it would most likely be Boogie.

Boston is better off going with Bogut if possible, then making a splash at the trade deadline for the likes of Boogie and convince him to buy into the idea of a 3 yr deal with a the 3rd yr as an option. If they could make it to the finals he'd be more apt to sign on.

19 Sep 2017 17:52:39
Billj, the thing is that in a trade for Davis, Gasol, and probably even Cousins, Monroe's expiring contract and Parker would both be much more valuable than Horford. Memphis or New Orleans wouldn't have much interest in Horford since they would most likely be starting a rebuild. An expiring contract and a player with allstar potential that they could buy low on would probably interest them though.

19 Sep 2017 20:05:48
I truly want to believe that rk, but if Parker gets hurt again before a deal could happen then his career is over and it would hurt Boston and Monroe would really not help.

With Bogut out of the picture now signing with LAL, he's not there to win a title, he's there for the weather and comfort level. Boston will most likely roll with the flow with what they have and probably will have to move someone they don't want to at the trade deadline in order to get the help they'll need.

If Boston is on top at the deadline they'll need Boogie or Gasol to compete in the finals. But to keep Boogie it will cost them 200+ for 5 years. Which brings me back to Drummond who I've wanted them to get because of age and contract.

08 Sep 2017 13:48:45
Boston Celtics:
Irving-Hayward-Horford will be on the starting lineups

SG: Smart vs Brown vs Tatum, Brown would likely be the starter but I think Tatum deserves more, he got the clutch and xfactor play especially on defense..

PF: Morris vs Tatum, Tatum is a little underweight to play PF and that's why Morris would likely be the starting PF..


7 Bench players:
Smart-Tatum- Rozier-Baynes (2nd string)

Yabusule-Ojeleye-Nader (3rd string)

*Team needs to add veteran players, rumors link with Bogut and Allen, and they could also bring back Tyler Zeller

08 Sep 2017 16:29:51
Jayson Tatum does not have that x-factor play on defense yet. He's a rookie and won't be able to stay with the best. Brown has already had a full season matching up against some of the other teams best wings, which is why you need him in the starting lineup.

Also with the bench that the Celtics have you need Tatum coming off the bench for scoring.

28 Aug 2017 23:47:30
Addition to Cavs/ C's trade:

To CLE - Thomas, Crowder, Zizic, Rozier, Brooklyn 1st

To BOS - Kyrie, Tavares

I don't believe the C's are going to be willing to give up another piece without something in return. If they're truly concerned that IT may miss the first part of the season due to surgery and they want depth, adding Rozier gives them that.

The C's on the other hand could use frontcourt depth, which Tavares would give them. By adding an asset back to Boston, Cleveland also saves big on the tax by not adding a salary without sending one out.

29 Aug 2017 15:00:31
The Celtics already have a deal in place for a back up Center to pay behind Horford and Baynes. No way they aRe giving another player in the deal.

29 Aug 2017 18:40:57
Who is the backup big they have a deal with?

28 Aug 2017 16:21:06
Cavs - Celtics

Cavs gets:
2018 Brooklyn 1st
2018 Lakers or 2019 Kings 1st

Celtics gets:
2018 Cavs 1st
Future 2nd Cavs

New deal now when Thomas hip is worse than Celtics said at first. Cavs can move their 2018 first because they get a new one from Brooklyn (via Celtics).

28 Aug 2017 16:30:15
I believe that it doesn't matter what pick from others teams the Cavs gained. They still can't trade their own pick because they traded their 2019 pick so they can't trade their 2018 or 2020. That is why they are trying hard to pick up an additional asset from the Celtics so they have something other than the Nets pick for trade bait.

28 Aug 2017 16:40:34
Rite quick, I'm not sure of the actual rule, but they could make it a pick swap for Cleveland rather than straight up trading picks. That would essentially do the same thing.

28 Aug 2017 17:13:12
Yup, a best/ worst of pick swap would work.

28 Aug 2017 17:34:21
True I didn't think about the pick swap idea. Honestly that would be good for the Cavs anyway to still have a pick somewhere in the draft. They can still trade the pick draft night as well which I think kind of is stupid since you won't allow teams to trade back to back any other time except for draft night. But that's a different subject.

28 Aug 2017 18:12:19
A pick swap in which the Brooklyn of Lakers/ Kings pick is traded for the Cavs pick will not happen, because the Cavs pick will come near the end of Round 1 and be just about irrelevant. The only swap that would make sense is for Cleveland and Boston to trade their own picks, with Cleveland doing the deal if Boston's is better. If it's not better, then the Celtics could flip them one of their many second-rounders.

29 Aug 2017 15:01:39
That's fine Super, no one is suggesting a pick swap for a specific pick, the question was posed "can the Cavs even trade their 2018 pick", and the answer was through a best/ worst swap. That could be with the 2018 C's pick.

29 Aug 2017 15:07:38
Not sure how you know that Thomas'hip is worse than what the Celtics said. No one knows except Ainge and the Cleveland GM. I think the harder the Cavs push for a significant addition to the deal, the more chance the deal falls apart and they get stuck with Irving or end up trading him for an for an inferior return. And they won't have Brooklyns pick, which Cleveland desperately wants.

28 Aug 2017 10:31:17
3 way trade idea


This scenario works to get the additional star Cleveland wants at Center. Also trade pending if Boston trade will go through and I believe it will with an additional future first round pick added from Boston.

Denver receives

Det/Mem/LAC receives
Cavs future first 2021 (Earliest they can trade)
Additional First acquired through Boston trade

Cavs receive

Personally I feel most likely Memphis would accept this deal and most likely scenario but would any of these trades work?

28 Aug 2017 16:44:50
I'm not sure why Denver is in this trade.

28 Aug 2017 17:40:26
I did it because I believe a Thompson and Faried package with two future firsts seems more valueable than a Thompson Shumpert Osman Felder and two picks package. Also 2 men in two men out is easier for teams to deal with. But I guess it's an option but Denver needs some wing help and we all know how they want to part with Faried.

28 Aug 2017 09:34:57

Clips add Thomas , Shumpert , Thompson & Celtics own 1st 2018
- they take Thomas and the added compensation from Boston giving up Jordan & Beverley


Celtics add Irving
- push the new big 3 of Irving-Hayward-Horford


Cavs add Jordan,Beverley,Williams,Brooklyn 1st, & Crowder
- get a so much better defensive squad with Beverley , Jordan & Crowder


28 Aug 2017 01:28:18
Cavs get Thomas crowder smart zizic Tatum Brooklyn 1st
Celtics get Irving shumpert osman

Cavs get faried Chandler
Grizzlies get zizic Jefferson smart felder Brooklyn 1st

Sign wade (once bought out)

Thomas rose Calderon
Smith wade Tatum
James crowder korver
Love Chandler green
Thompson faried Frye

28 Aug 2017 04:38:46
Terrible for the Celtics.

28 Aug 2017 10:17:19
The Boston trade wouldn't even happen but if it did, the Cavs wouldn't even give up the Nets pick for Faried.

28 Aug 2017 11:19:05
The Onion wouldn't even propose something as absurd as this trade.
In addition to the original trade, which is already lopsided in favor of Cleveland, Smart and Tatum for Shumpert and Osman is added. Laughable.

28 Aug 2017 12:45:02
I can't believe I'm going to agree with Supercollider on something, but he's correct. If Thomas' hip is a little worse than expected, but still ok, then the Cavs already won this deal. C's would then only be willing to add something like a second rounder to finalize, not Tatum and Smart for Shump and Osman.

28 Aug 2017 15:01:25
The only way Tatum gets added is if LeBron is added to the deal. Pure fantasy. Lmao. The Celtics will add only a 2nd Rd pick or two. Maybe, a protected 1st, but nothing more. Cleveland knew about the hip and they didn't care. The can pound sand.

27 Aug 2017 02:46:08
Cavs get Thomas crowder Morris zizic smart Brooklyn 1st
Celtics get Irving shumpert felder

Cavs get gasol
Nuggets get Jefferson Frye zizic osman Brooklyn 1st

Sign wade (if bought out) bogut

Thomas rose Calderon
Smith wade smart
James crowder korver
Love Morris green
Gasol Thompson bogut

27 Aug 2017 13:26:05
Is that Pedro Gasol who plays for the Nuggets.

26 Aug 2017 19:19:24
Cleveland Cavaliers - Miami Heat fan made trade proposal if the Celtics trade falls apart.

Cleveland trades: Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson and Channing Frye (expiring, match salaries)

Miami trades: Goran Dragic, Hassan Whiteside.

Why Cleveland should do this:
Cleveland has LeBron, so they should be thinking win now. Forget about future draft picks; it hurts the value of players you receive in a trade.

Dragic is a very underrated point guard, a great replacement for Kyrie. The real coup here though, is Whiteside. He's a guy the Warriors would have no answer for.

Why Miami does this: Kyrie, surprisingly, had Miami on his list of teams he wanted to get traded to. He's the best player in this trade. TT is young and a decent player at the C.

26 Aug 2017 19:06:17
Cleveland Cavaliers - Miami Heat fan made trade proposal if the Celtics trade falls apart.

Cleveland trades: Kyrie Irving, Hassan Whiteside and Channing Frye (expiring, match salaries)

Miami trades: Goran Dragic, Hassan Whiteside.

Why Cleveland should do this:
Cleveland has LeBron, so they should be thinking win now. Forget about future draft picks; it hurts the value of players you receive in a trade.

Dragic is a very underrated point guard, a great replacement for Kyrie. The real coup here though, is Whiteside. He's a guy the Warriors would have no answer for.

Why Miami does this: Kyrie, surprisingly, had Miami on his list of teams he wanted to get traded to. He's the best player in this trade. TT is young and a decent player at the C.

26 Aug 2017 19:25:13
Cleveland trades: Kyrie Irving, TRISTAN THOMPSON.

26 Aug 2017 19:50:06
Don't believe either the Celtics or the Cavs want to void the deal. Sounds like the package they got for Kyrie was the best available. Neither Kyrie or IT, could go back to their former teams after this.

27 Aug 2017 01:01:43
Agree to a point Yumbo, I think it puts the Celtics in a worse position though. They now have their best player wanting out and other teams are going to be pretty weary of taking him on with the hip injury and expiring contract. I think the Celtics add one of their own picks ( with the young talent, future picks, and limited roster space it's not a huge lose ) . If this was calculated by the Cavs, wow, I applaud. They have the Celtics in a rough spot. That said, I'm curious how other gms end up feeling about this. The Cavs might win in the short term, but lose in the long term.

27 Aug 2017 06:45:58
I agree with Yumbo and Rkenne. There is no way that this trade should be voided because the Cavs already had other trade discussion and I bet the 2018 Nets pick may of been brought up in specific situations so not having it for the Cavs would be hard. Plus Bostons sold out the seasons tickets I believe so what would Boston say and do. Eventually Bostons hand will be forced and they will give an additional first round pick in the future. Last thing Cavs want is another player, so unless it's Brown or Tatum and Good luck getting them.

26 Aug 2017 18:18:32
If the Cavs-Celtics deal gets voided:


•Cavs get LaMarcus Aldridge, Danny Green, Dejounte Murray, Kyle Anderson, and Grizzlies 2nd rd pick
PG: Murray, Rose, Calderon
SG: Green, Smith, Osman
SF: James, Korver, Jefferson
PF: Love, Anderson, Green
C: Aldridge, Thompson, Tavares

•Spurs get Kyrie Irving, Iman Shumpert, Brandon Wright, and Deyonta Davis
PG: Irving, Mills, Parker
SG: Shumpert, Ginobli, White
SF: Leonard, Bertans, Paul
PF: Gay, Lauvergne
C: Gasol, Wright, Davis

•Grizzlies get Channing Frye and 2018 Spurs 1st (lottery protected)

26 Aug 2017 17:20:56
Cavs-Celtics trade not officially done.. reevaluating IT hip..

Why not make a 3 team trade:
Melo, Crowder and Zizic plus Nets 1st pick and Knicks 1st pick to Cavs
Kyrie and Cavs 2nd pick to Celtics
Thomas, Shumpert and Frye to Knicks

Cavs are stock piling 1st pick for the departure of the King..

Same proposal but adding a minor pick in Boston..

Best deal tha Knicks have Thomas, Shumpert and Frye for Melo and 1st pick..

26 Aug 2017 17:56:41
Wait, so the knicks would give up essentially an expiring contract in melo, who can play. and take on an expiring contract in damaged goods? Oh and also give up a 1st?


25 Aug 2017 02:09:46

Celtics get Turner & lottery protected 1st 2019

Pacers get Brown & LAL pick 2019

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