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16 Oct 2018 10:33:46
Magic Trade Johnathan Issac Jerian Johnathan Simmons 2020 first round pick lottery protected

Lakers Trade Brandon Ingram Lonzo Ball

Boston ain't going to take the deal

Lakers will take the deal it's a lottery pick

Magic Johnson big smile on his face 😁

Magic Johnson will flip the Trade if they played well with Lakers plus they're getting lottery protected pick in return

16 Oct 2018 19:43:52
If you give them a lottery protected pick, it would have to be outside the Lottery to convey. Lakers wouldn't get the pick because it would be in the lottery.

16 Oct 2018 20:51:40
How come Boston get lottery protected they already draft Jaylen Brown Jayson Tatum.

15 Oct 2018 20:46:14
Magic Trade Johnathan Issac Jerian Grant Johnathan Simmons 2020 first round pick lottery protected Top 10 2019 second round pick unprotected

Boston Trade Terry Rozier III Jaylen Brown Marcus Morris

Salary Match

Boston is not getting 2019 first round pick lottery pick can get 2020 first round pick lottery pick & 2019 second round pick unprotected

Magic get 3 players one year rental

Boston get lottery pick & rookie contract & good shooting guard who play defense & get buckets

In Free Agency

Magic ReSign Jaylen Brown 2 yrs 40 millions

Magic ReSign Terry Rozier III 3 yrs 54 millions

Magic ReSign Marcus Morris 1 yrs 10 millions
Magic ReSign NIkola Vucevic 1 yrs 6 millions
Renounce right Terrance Ross

Waive Timofey Mozgov

15 Oct 2018 21:09:01
Orlando just couldn't get Rozier and Brown. No trade exists unless they want to trade their unprotected 2019 pick. Even then, Boston would be stupid to trade two of their better young players for an underwhelming rookie and a possible top pick.

15 Oct 2018 21:38:14
Brown is a 22 year old versatile 2 way wing that can shoot and looks like a future allstar, why would Boston trade him unless they’re getting elite talent back? The Magic have nothing interesting enough to Boston to get Brown.

15 Oct 2018 22:05:17
No magic need a 2019 first round pick and Boston already have two King lottery pick duh and Memphis lottery pick

So better of giving up 2020 first round pick lottery magic already know what Boston have.

15 Oct 2018 10:07:13
Some of your trades are ridiculous

Here goes something official

Magic trade Fournier,Simmons,2 unprotected 1st round picks

For sign and trade deal from Jimmy Butler

Magic trade Vuc, Ross and a 2nd rounder for sign and trade Scary Terry Rozier (Celtics have eyed Vuc for years) both players are expected to walk from their teams so this trade makes sense...


Drops mic

15 Oct 2018 12:55:05
As a magic fan I like the second one.

15 Oct 2018 14:58:34
The Vucevic-to-Boston train left the station a while ago. Boston is good with Baynes, Horford and Williams. If Rozier goes before the trade deadline, it will be in a package for AD.

15 Oct 2018 15:43:12
I checked the unbelievable box. Vuc doesn't have that value and he is expiring.

15 Oct 2018 17:53:18
Rozier won't get you AD without Hayward and 2-3 unprotected 2019.

16 Oct 2018 00:07:45
More like Tatum and brown plus picks AD is untouchable you Boston fans need to realize if ya want to win the championship ya got to give up something other teams want, nobody is going to give ya a superstar.

16 Oct 2018 05:26:29
Tatum and Brown look like future allstars and NOs is only moving Davis if they have to. Unless guys like KAT or Embiid/ Simmons get offered up (they won’t), Boston will be able to put together the most competitive package for Davis without offering Both.

15 Oct 2018 02:09:29
Magic Trade Jerian Grant Johnathan Simmons 2020 first round pick (lottery protected Top 10

Boston Trade Terry Rozier III Jaylen Brown

Salary Match

Boston get Solid Shooting Guard Back up Point Guard plus lottery pick return

Magic get Staring Point Guard Future All Star Shooting Guard

Terry Rozier III doesn't want to be a back up point guard he wanted to leave Boston next summer

Jaylen wanted to get paid max deal next summer

15 Oct 2018 06:40:45
I think you are vastly underrating Brown’s potential.

15 Oct 2018 07:14:10
It’s give Orlando Magic opportunity to Wins games tries to make playoffs with Aaron Gordon Mo Bama Jaylen Brown Terry Rozier III RJ Barrett in 2020 nba season no more tanking after 2019 nba season it’s reason why to give up 2020 first round pick lottery picks to Boston who know Boston might get 10 pick in a draft or 15 or 20 pick in draft because magic ain’t going to to tank after 2019 nba season.

15 Oct 2018 10:23:00
The problem as I see it, is the the Celtics are not breaking this team now that the season is underway. Especially since they have championship aspirations. That deal you proposed has zero upside for the Celtics this season. or beyond. Imo Not enough for Brown and or Rozier. Plus, the laSt thing they need is another 1st rd pick.

15 Oct 2018 14:31:37
Brown isn’t getting traded unless it’s in a package for a guy like Davis.

I disagree with JoeB though. That’s a solid package for Rozier. He looks like a starting caliber guard, but he isn’t a sure fire future allstar. Unless Irving doesn’t look right or Davis hits the market, the Celtics need to cash in on him when they can. They don’t have the money to keep him long term and someone is going to throw out a big offer sheet this summer. If someone is willing to give him 4 years 18 Million, the Celtics almost have to let him walk. Every team can use more picks. They’re basically currency. Either use them to get a guy like Davis or to high end salary controlled players for your bench as you have to let other players go due to the cap.

15 Oct 2018 21:12:43
I get you want your team to win games, but you can't just steal good players for little to nothing. Most teams aren't interested in getting ripped off.

13 Oct 2018 00:59:49
Boston Trade Al Horford Jayson Tatum 2019 first round pick (SAC) lottery protected
(Top 4)

Pelicans Trade Anthony Davis E'Twaun Moore

Pelicans probably going to Draft RJ Barrett or Zion Williamson

13 Oct 2018 04:43:28
The trade for the celtics is Rozier. The Jabari bird situation messed that up a lot. I think the celts were hoping to contend and trade Rozier before or near the deadline for a pick or 2. Bird was and is a good player ready to contribute.

13 Oct 2018 15:39:39
Yeah Davis is top 5 but still asking Tatum is too much.

13 Oct 2018 15:40:15
This feels like the package that has to happen if Boston wants to convince NO to trade Davis this year. Anything less just won’t do it.

13 Oct 2018 16:03:25
Substitute Brown for Tatum and add another 1st. That's what I would do, but Ainge is the wildcard. There's no telling what he would give to acquire AD. He may just trade Tatum. Who knows, but I'm one that believes in Ainge.

13 Oct 2018 16:38:18
I think Tatum would be the only guy that the Celtics wouldn’t make available. I also don’t see Horford (or Kyrie) being very interesting pieces to the Pelicans. The only way it would make a ton of sense for them to be involved is if there is a third team. I think 3 of Brown, Rozier, Smart and Hayward plus 2 or 3 picks and potentially some filler would be the package as long there isn’t a 3rd team involved.

13 Oct 2018 16:35:10
Not near enough for AD. And i'm curious why so many of you float AD trades but NEVER float Giannis trades. AD is just as untouchable despite the lame rumors you spot on Celtic and Laker fan pages.

14 Oct 2018 00:46:09
Substitute kyrie for Tatum.

14 Oct 2018 09:04:04
Ad has a year less then giannis so giannis rumors will start next year and I think ad bird rights are important so Boston would have to include Tatum and sac pick.

14 Oct 2018 16:26:30
Agreed 100% on why Giannis isn’t as hot a topic as AD. Give it a year to take a shot in a LeBron less East, and then if they don’t look like a real contender, first up the rumour mill.

15 Oct 2018 23:50:19
As usual II, your info is wrong. AD is locked up this year and next year. Player option is not until 2020-2021, at which time Pels can offer Supermax extension.

11 Oct 2018 14:57:25
The Suns get Rozier

The Celtics get the Suns 1st (top 10 protected dropping to 5, 3 and then unprotected)

11 Oct 2018 15:54:46
Celtics have spent a ton of time developing Rozier, and they could have four picks in the first round next June anyway. So that deal is not happening. Rozier will stick in Boston until at least July 1, when they'll have a good idea if Irving's knee is sound and if he's ready to re-sign. After this season they'll also know what's going on with Anthony Davis, and Rozier could be part of a deal there.

11 Oct 2018 16:12:06
How would rozier be a part of a deal as a free agent? Irving is in the fold long term and they won’t be able to keep Rozier. The money just isn’t there to give him a deal. All of those picks won’t convey next year and if they do you can turn them into more future assets at the worst or use them to get Davis. Keeping a steady stream of picks wouldn’t be a bad option given all of the talent they already have and how young they are. They could be set up for the next 15 years, if they play it right (which Ainge probably will) .

11 Oct 2018 16:56:29
Irving is not in the fold long term.
Rozier cannot be a free agent next July -- he can be a restricted free agent (if he doesn't sign a deal before Monday) .
I didn't say all of the picks will convey. I said they could convey.
If they knew they could get Davis for a boatload of first-rounders, they might consider moving Rozier. But not until then.

11 Oct 2018 17:00:06
Irving can say whatever he wants, but I wouldn't take him at his word. Teams have been burned too many times with that (Boozer, Aldridge to name two recent ones) . I wouldn't trade Rozier until Irving is signed (which obviously can't happen, because Rozier would be a free agent at that time) .

Matching whatever he gets and then flipping him the following year might be the best course of action for Boston. Or just let him walk this offseason if he gets a massive deal.

11 Oct 2018 18:04:00
I qs taken aback a bit by the articles written that the Celtics are trying to extend Rozier. I always thought he'd be traded, but I think they will get a deal done, which will be beneficial in the long run. IE. He would bring back a better package than he would of he were a pending free agent.
I think Irving will be true to his word, because all along this off season neither Ainge or the Celtics ever publicly panicked whenever those Irving rumors came out. I just think, they knew something that no one else knew. that they were confident that Irving would re-sign.

10 Oct 2018 00:44:52
Spurs Trade Rudy Gay 2019 first round pick protected TOR

Boston Trade Terry Rozier III Marcus Morris

Boston get Solid Small Forward & Pick

Spurs get Point Guard & Small Forward

Rudy Gay 1 yrs 10 millions contract

Marcus Morris 1 yrs 5 millions contract

Terry Rozier III 1 yrs 3 millions contract

Both teams get a one year rental

10 Oct 2018 04:46:28
Horrible for Boston. And why would they want a "solid" SF when they have 3 of that already.

10 Oct 2018 05:52:04
Only way Ainge does that is if there's a gun to his head.

Boston is trying to extend Terry. Which makes me believe that if extended there is a trade on the horizon, whether it's Rozier or Smart or someone else.

10 Oct 2018 08:47:06
Spurs needed a point guard.

10 Oct 2018 12:24:10
No chance Rozier is a Ainge and fan favourite he worth a lot more than that package.

10 Oct 2018 14:41:32
Gay cannot be traded until Dec. 15. Zero chance Boston does this deal anyway.

10 Oct 2018 17:57:39
i just like the thinking that the spurs need a pg. so the celtics just give them one. because that's clearly Ainge's MO. sheesh.

08 Oct 2018 15:20:43

Bucks get Butler
Minny gets Bledsoe, Brogdon, Morris
Boston gets Wilson

The main idea is Butler for Bledsoe and Brogdon, which is not bad for the Wolves given the offers they have. In this Minnesota gain one more decent asset.

Celtics do this of course to avoid the tax. They give their 15th spot to a former 1st round pick to find out if there is NBA material in him.

Milwaukee could slide DDV into starting lineup after that. They will still have Delly for backup help at pg. Bucks should be OK if Minny asks to add Dieng and Henson in the deal.

08 Oct 2018 17:38:38
The Bucks would need to add a 1st rd pick, Plus Bledsoe and Brogdan. Why would Boston want to trade Morris for "Unproven" Wilson? Henson has no value, And why would DDV slide into the starting lineup? They could just add one of their other PG (Frazier? )

08 Oct 2018 18:31:39
@torque I think it's clear that Boston could do this only to avoid being in repeated tax next year. Of course not for Wilson.
And really, Frazier?

08 Oct 2018 22:57:00
@milpso, Yes Tim Frazier, Again, Boston would say no, And the wolves would want at least a 1st. rd. pick, plus players. We all know the Bucks rejected Butler for Middleton.

04 Oct 2018 01:17:27

WAS gets Butler, Fultz, Covington, and Shamet

PHI gets Beal

MIN gets Otto Porter, Satoranasky and 1st rd pick via WAS 2019

Wall/ Rivers/ Shamet
Fultz/ Meeks/ Brown
Butler/ Oubre
Covington/ Morris

Feel like this is the team needed to beat BOS in ECF, the wall and beal experiment is outdated



02 Oct 2018 23:13:31

TOR gets Jimmy Butler, Lilard, and Dieng

MIN get 1st rd pick from TOR, OG, and Ibaka

POR gets Lowry, Danny Green, and 2021 pick TOR

Lilard/ FVF
Butler/ Powell
Kwahi/ Miles
Siakam/ Dieng
JVal/ Noguiera

No question this team faces boston in the ECF


believe OG is a star in the making and if he improves his shooting i think him and towns would be a great 1.2 punch


03 Oct 2018 13:45:47
I see you didn’t include a reason for Portland to do this. That’s because there isn’t a reasonable reason for them to do it, it’s horrible for them.

04 Oct 2018 03:45:49
Probably the worst trade scenerio I've ever seen. Why would the blazers make this trade? It literally makes them a lottery team.

25 Sep 2018 15:15:42
If Butler goes to Raptors..
East Finals will be: Celtics vs Raptors..

25 Sep 2018 16:53:36
I think that's probably what it is anyway. Phili might step in, but right now those two are the two best teams in the east going into the season.

25 Sep 2018 17:37:32

*Jimmy Butler would move the heat into the top 3, sixers in the top 2.

25 Sep 2018 18:00:02
Bold outlook on the Pacers Btec. They're definitely top 4 to me. I do hope that's how it goes, I really like the Pacers team. The top 4 should be pretty interesting with Boston, Indy, and Phili's youth and Toronto's big move. I think there will be a huge gap to 5 after that.

25 Sep 2018 18:48:01
Agreed Bmiller, I think 2 is a little bullish for Indy, but top 4 is very realistic. There is definitely a drop off between that top 4 and the rest.

Raps do have the assets to make a deal for Butler, whether Minny wants current or future assets. With three good PG’s, Lowry can be the current star, or one of Fred/ Delon could be the future. Adding Miles, or OG would work as well.

I could see any number of combinations, and even potentially including the Kings to make it happen.

25 Sep 2018 19:54:14
I agree @triangle that the raps do have the right pieces in a value sense to land butler or at least be a finalist in offers made. Powell is a good young piece too. Tough break getting injured and OG tearing it up in his absence. Dealing their youth, and picks then butler and Leonard leave next summer? Bold. Give kudos to ujiri for going all in though. Butler going to the east is good for league balance too.

29 Sep 2018 14:53:16
As a Celtics fan, I might be as scared of the Bucks as anyone in the East.
Toronto should be good if Leonard comes back healthy, but swapping him for DeRozan is not a HUGE upgrade. It's a star for a bigger star, but who knows how it will fit.
Philly is still young, and I can see them going in just about any direction. they could see injuries to Embiid while Fultz' yips and Simmons' shooting woes continue, or they could all wind up being the best versions of themselves and be fantastic.
Indy is just a solid team to me, and they did it all with Turner being just OK. If he breaks out like he's capable, they could really ruin some team's season come playoff time.
The Bucks on the other hand have a bonafide superstar. The closest thing anyone has to him is Leonard, and we don't know how he will come back yet. Middleton is a really good scorer, but too much was put on him last year because they didn't have many great shooters. That's where I think DiVincenzo will make a difference. He probably won't do too much early on, but I could see him earning himself some serious playing time by the playoffs, and his spacing of the floor will make things a lot easier on Giannis and Bledsoe/ Brogdon to slash to the basket. The addition of Lopez (who can actually shoot now) and a possible breakout of Maker in the Celtics series last year make them a really interesting team to watch.

24 Sep 2018 21:10:38

Cavs get Kyrie Irving Jimmy Butler

Wolves get Collin Sexton Marcus Morris Tristan Thompson

Boston get Jeff Teague Kyle Korver Rodney Hood Gorgui Dieng 2021 first round pick(CAVS) lottery protected Top 5

Fair Trades what's y'all think?

24 Sep 2018 21:34:44
Boston gets screwed, that's what I think. Lol.

24 Sep 2018 21:54:15
First of all Boston can't take that much money from salaries, and second they would never do this deal.

24 Sep 2018 22:31:47
Well duh Boston robbed every others teams.

24 Sep 2018 23:12:07
No chance Boston is competing now only Room for KD or AD.

25 Sep 2018 00:18:52
Easy there smooth, that one was pretty rough.

25 Sep 2018 02:33:59
Horrible deal for Boston. No way they do this. Irving back to Cavs. Seriously.

25 Sep 2018 12:42:43
I think Boston is hoping to sign Jamal Crawford instead of trading. But you never know until the TD comes rolling along.

25 Sep 2018 15:39:19
Fair Trade? Nope But that's never stopped you from proposing lopsided trades anyway.

24 Sep 2018 13:32:18
Cavs Trade Jordan Clarkson Kyle Korver Tristan Thompson Cedi Osman 2021 first round pick 2019 second round pick

Wolves Trade Jimmy Butler Gorgui Dieng Tyus Jones

Second Trade George Hill Collin Sexton to Boston

Boston Trade Kyrie Irving to Cavs

24 Sep 2018 15:42:00
The wolves aren't trading Dieng to take back Thompson. If the cavs want to trade for butler, they will have to trade Sexton. which they wont. don't see it happening.

24 Sep 2018 20:34:22
Irving to Cavs. Are you serious?

24 Sep 2018 01:22:33

MIN get TJ Warren, Darrell Arthur (exp), Thon Maker, Tony Snell & 2021 MIL 1st
- what else can they get for Butler, it will be tough for them. Here they get 3 young players while dumoing Dieng

Pg Teague/Rose/Jones
Sg Wiggins/Snell
Sf Warren/Okogie
Pf Gibson/Maker/Tolliver
Ce Towns/Patton/Arthur

MIL get Jimmy Butler
- go all in for this year. Got to gamble and try to win the East. Not saying they could be better than BOS but at least they get closer. Not tough to lose Brogdon since he is on a contract year, he might want a big contract after the season

Pg Bledsoe/Dellavedova
Sg Middleton/Divicenzo
Sf Butler/Connaughton
Pf Giannis/Ilyasova/Wilson
Ce Lopez/Henson/Zeller

PHX get Malcolm Brogdon & Gorgui Dieng
- Suns get a back court partner for Booker. They take on Dieng to get the deal done, he can be a productive bench player behind Ayton. Yes, he is overpaid but Suns could try

Pg Brogdon/Okobo
Sg Booker/Melton/Daniels
Sf Jackson/Bridges
Pf Ariza/Anderson
Ce Ayton/Dieng/Chandler

24 Sep 2018 02:52:26
Suns definitely keep warren and Arthur. Even though they seem to be desperate for a PG. Brogdon is a nice player but I wouldn't take on Dieng for him.

19 Sep 2018 16:42:13
Wolves - Suns - Celtics

W get: Irving

Irving, Rose
Butler, Okogie
Wiggins, Deng
Gibson, Tolliver
Towns, Dieng

S get: Teague, Jones

Teague, Jones
Booker, Melton
Jackson, Warren
Ariza, Bender

C get: Bridges, Chandler, Daniels, Patton, TW 2021 unprotected 1st

Rozier, Smart
Brown, Daniels
Hayward, Bridges
Tatum, Morris
Horford, Chandler

19 Sep 2018 17:08:15
How about instead of that the Celtics get Karl-Anthony Towns in exchange for Jabari Bird, Yabusele and Ojele?

19 Sep 2018 17:26:12
This is an awful trade for the C’s.

19 Sep 2018 17:50:50
Boston's in win now mode, they're not giving up their best player for a rookie and a pick.

19 Sep 2018 18:06:15
I like Supercoliders trade better, even though it was a sarcastic response to the original deal, which is completely ridiculous.

19 Sep 2018 22:21:43
I like Super's better also. But only problem is that when they trade Buckets they'll need KAT and without any 1st rd. picks included Wolves let it go in one ear and out the other.

18 Sep 2018 04:11:06
*Raps get: PF/C Blake Griffin, SG/SF Bruce Brown
*Pistons get: PF/C Serge Ibaka, SF/SG C.J. Miles, SG/PG Malachi Richardson, 2021 2nd

- Raptors do this to get a former All-star Forward who can help distribute the ball and rebound better. Better replacement for Ibaka and is on a long term contract. Also get a young guard who has potential since he was projected first round this year. Do this to improve their chances of a ring this year in a conference that is LeBron-less and can compete better with Boston and Philly. Big 3 of Lowry, Kawhi, and Blake could help them get further in the playoffs if all produce well. But having Blake on a massive contract for long term is risky, but their chances are better if you swap Blake and Ibaka.
-Pistons do this to get Blake off the books. They could clear lots of cap in 2020 with Jackson, Ibaka, Leuer, and galloway coming off the books. Reduces the risky in having bad money in Blake for the next 4 years. Also get Miles, who can help improve their lack of three point shooting since Kennard hasn't proven much. Miles could come off the bench to provide scoring, or start at the 2 or 3 with either Johnson, bullock, Kennard, or Robinson. Pistons do this to prevent a possible bad money situation and Ibaka is not a terrible downgrade from Blake, can spread out to the 3 point line, and possibly better defender for 11 mil less. Richardson is really to match the money and the 2nd is to sweeten the deal. Doubt the Raps would throw in a first since they already traded their own this year.

19 Sep 2018 02:32:00
WHy would the pistons do this, they go from griffin who is arguably their best player to serge who is a considerable downgrade who also has an awful contract. with no real assets in return.

17 Sep 2018 14:08:20
The Magic get Rozier, Yabusele, and the King's 19 1st

The Celtics get Bamba

17 Sep 2018 14:53:49
Magic will not trade Bamba.

17 Sep 2018 16:00:25
Bamba is not worth that much. Rozier is a SOLID player, and that pick is high lottery. Bamba is a project.

17 Sep 2018 16:55:50
Rozier is a solid player, but the Celtics aren’t keeping him and Kyrie. Bamba is raw, but the Celtics are obviously good at developing guys and being able to put them in great situations until it’s all there. My guess would be that the Celtics would have him playing all the Baynes minutes by the playoffs and that he would be a guy that could give them something they don’t have. If he was clicking by the playoffs, which we’ve seen multiple times from Celtics rookies, he gives the Celtics perimeter guys the ability to be much more aggressive on defense and that’s really the only way you can hope to slow down Golden State.

17 Sep 2018 17:22:10
With the questions around Irving resigning, I think Boston would be smart to hold onto Rozier.

That said, if they were to move him, Bamba would be a solid target, as they could use an athletic big with a high ceiling. And they have the current players (Horford and Baynes) that they wouldn't be relying on Bamba to produce big to be successful.

For Orlando, they get two nice assets for one. Considering how far away they are from competing, this makes sense to me.

15 Sep 2018 17:57:04
Magic Trade Timofey Mozgov

Bulls Trade Robin Lopez

Second Trade

Magic Trade Jerian Grant Terrace Ross 2019 first round pick (protected)1-15 pick to Hornets not unprotected pick

Hornets Trade Kemba Walker to Magic

Magic Trade Aaron Gordon to Wolves

Wolves Trade Jimmy Butler to Magic

Magic needed to start winning games making the playoffs this year

I think Wolves & Hornets will take that Offers

Magic will make a pursed to Re-sign Kemba Walker and Jimmy Butler

Salary match smart not to Trade the lottery picks likes Boston robbed the nets

15 Sep 2018 19:54:42
Every trade you poat is one sided 8n favor of Magic, ao please just stop.

15 Sep 2018 21:08:32
Sometimes it's one sided for other teams.

15 Sep 2018 23:08:31
Football father lmao.

16 Sep 2018 02:38:07
Ok daddy nfl.

14 Sep 2018 17:58:42
Celtics get: C/PF Myles Turner, PF/C Alize Johnson, 2021 2nd Round Pick (Fromm IND)
Pacers get: C Nikola Vucevic, SG/SF Jaylen Brown
Magic get: PG Cory Joseph, C/PF Ike Anibogu

14 Sep 2018 20:29:50
I don't think the Celtics are giving up Brown for Turner.

14 Sep 2018 21:55:42
Ainge wouldn't hang up, but would demand more.

15 Sep 2018 12:58:33
Brown will not be traded until or if Anthony Davis is on the block.

10 Sep 2018 02:16:40
Celtics - Magic

Celtics send Rozier , Hayward
Magic 2019 1st , Magic 2021 1st , Vucevic, Fournier


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