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21 May 2017 18:59:17
What is happening to the Celtics by the Cavs will definitely change what Boston does this off season

No matter who they threw at LeBron just didn't work so they need someone bigger and more stronger and as much as I don't want to say this... Melo might be that guy..

Boston trades Crowder, 2018 Boston pick, 2017 2-second rd. picks and Jonas Jerebko (S&T)

Knicks trade Melo and W Hernangomez

This allows Boston to either draft #1 or trade down this year or trade this years pick for someone useful..

21 May 2017 20:37:23
I'm far from a Melo hater, but. CARMELO ANTHONY is a Lebron stopper?!?

21 May 2017 21:06:57
Is Melo better than Crowder?
And I didn't say Melo is that guy. "might" is the key word there!

21 May 2017 21:32:59
The only thing that Anthony stops is ball movement. CA can't stop James when he jogs back down the court when he doesn't get the ball on offense.
That doesn't even start to address the question of why the Celtics would waste that kind of money on a declining ISO player and not have the cash left to get the rim defender they need.
If Ainge hits his head on the pavement and decides he wants Anthony, the 2018 first-rounder would probably get it done.

21 May 2017 22:21:36
If I'm Boston I wouldn't even give up Melo for Crowder straight up (in large part due to the 20+ mill salary difference which could basically be Hayward) . Melo is a below average defender and not half the athlete Lebron is. Nobody in the league can really defend Lebron by themselves it takes an entire team (force him to shoot from the outside and get no easy buckets inside) .

21 May 2017 23:48:54
Yea I'd rather have Crowder and his contract over Melo.

21 May 2017 23:58:49
I agree jaws, nobody can defend LBJ. Maybe they shouldn't sign a max FA. Maybe they should trade down and try to get a big man in the process (Orlando)? Let the next year play out and start then. After all, they did get to where they're at with this group of players. Just need a good C.

But I do wish that some people on here would explain or give their own proposals instead of just disagreeing just for the hell it, And you people know who you are. My grandkids do a better job of explaining.

22 May 2017 01:01:56
LOL. OK

What signings or trades will get the C's closer to the finals next year?

22 May 2017 18:27:05
I seen Melo play Lebron better than any Celtics. not in transit but definitely in 1/ 2 court.

20 May 2017 06:09:24
Sooooooo, i have a theory!

Markelle fultz the consensus #1 pick in this years draft is projected to go to the celtics. Danny ainge himself has said he doesn't see a 19 year old coming and and leading a team to a championship and if they take fultz i have every reason to believe they'll trade him for an established star. Now any team trading with the celtics say the bulls or pacers would be trading for the most assets they can get to jumpstart they're rebuild. So instead of trading for that pick and say abery bradley or marcus smart/ terry rozier? Why not trade for multiple pick which i don't think the celtics would be willing to give unless they traded that number one pick for additional picks to a team with an abundance of picks liks say ehhhh the SIXERS!!! There isn't a team in the nba who that markelle would fit i'm with like the sixers. With them tanking for so long and have already believe to have their franchise cornerstones in embiid and simmons i don't think trading say this years 3rd pick the lakers 2018 pick and a protected top 5 2019 pick along with jahlil okafor would hurt their future and i don't see the celtics saying no. They can aquire the star they desire like a jimmy butler without giving up some of their core players and still have a strong possibility of adding a guy like gordon hayward though free agency. I really only see them having to give up a few picks and say jaylen brown and marcus smart for jimmy butler, add hayward in free agency and those picks/players they gave up mean nothing.

Again just a theory but i would love to see fultz on the sixers. As for the celtics i don't believe they'll be the same team next year and i don't think fultz is going to be apart of that franchise, i think its a smart move to move that pick for more picks and flip those exact picks and jaylen brown/marcus smart or terry rozier for butler. You get your young center in okafor through that philly trade. Aquire jimmy buckets, sign hayward and i think they could actually challenge the cavs.

Share your thoughts.

20 May 2017 10:34:45
Celtics very well may trade Fultz, whether or not they include 76ers in the deal depends heavily on the team involved and their preferences/ existing roster. I think its definitely a possibility especially with a lot of teams high on Jackson who likely will be there at #3. Lakers pick is a bit of a gamble with the George rumors tho and 76ers project to be much improved by 2019 so its questionable how much value there really is there.

Celtics as is don't have the cap space to sign a guy like Hayward

celtics blog

and will likely need to move a guy like Bradley to do so as well as make a few smaller moves. For this reason its highly unlikely Celtics add both Hayward and Butler (its likely an either or) especially when what they really need is an upgrade at center/ pf position with a better rebounder. I think ideal situation for Celtics would be to keep Fultz, move Bradley for a big man (has to be relatively low salary which makes it tough) to clear cap space to sign Hayward and some smaller moves to bolster their bench.

Trading for Butler however since he'd make only 17.5 mill compared to Hayward who would start at 30.6 mill would give Celtics more cap flexibility where they could add a better more established big man. I think investigating what Horford's value is wouldn't be a bad idea either (I think they should keep IT longterm) since although skilled on both ends he is on wrong side of 30, due a lot of money, a poor rebounder for his position and not the biggest body down low (Lebron is basically his size and much more athletic which is why he is killing them) .

20 May 2017 12:50:58
I see what you're saying but of the moves you suggested gets them past the cavs. Mark my words danny ainge is a greedy guy. The celtics are going to add hayward and butler. As far as the center upgrade. The can aquire robin lopez in that jimmy butler trade. Even if the can't keep guys like Bradley or crowder they're going to do what they need to do to get past the cavs. Keeping fultz does not do that.

20 May 2017 16:16:23
DA is not a greedy guy, he's a smart guy. Just because Brooklyn got the short end of the deal doesn't mean Danny was greedy, it meant that King and Prokhorov were the not so smart guys. This is a business and at the time the nets thought they had won the lottery, but in reality Boston won the lottery.

A trade of Horford would be a dumb idea, he's not the problem. That would only hinder the process in which they are on. Although it may seem like Hayward has the lead up to this point of becoming a Celtic I wouldn't look at it that way.

In what Jaws said, I mentioned that last week or the week before that trading for Butler made the most sense because of his 17.5 salary for 2 years gives them the flexibility to add another player of size that will shut down the lane. And R Lopez could be somewhat of that presence if they wanted to go that way. But Lopez is not a dominant rebounder, nor is he one for steals.

Trading picks with Orlando makes some sense as they could get the #6 pick in return and also get Vucevic, as it was known midway through the season he could be had. Use that #6pick, 18 Boston 1st pick along with Crowder to acquire Butler.

TRADE IT while his value is high. IT for Bledsoe would be my choice.

Bledsoe/ Rozier
Bledsoe/ Rozier/ Smart?

20 May 2017 16:59:42
Bledsoe/ Rozier
Bledsoe/ Rozier/ Smart?

19 May 2017 16:57:13
Bulls celtics and sixers.

Sixers trade okafor, three pick, and Covington
Sixers get first pick

Celtics trade Avery Bradley and number one pick
Celtics get jimmy butler.

Bulls trade jimmy butler
Bulls get three pick, okafor, Covington and Avery Bradley.

Bulls completely rebuild

Sixers get fultz who they probably need to complete their rebuilding efforts.

Celtics finally get a star player so they have a realistic chance to go to the finals. Right now there the celtics have zero chance to beat cavs or golden state. They need to make a move if not this one.

19 May 2017 21:25:16
I would definitely prefer just getting #1 and Bradley over Okafor, Covington and #3 if I were the Bulls. 76ers would need to add their or Lakers 2018 pick for me to justify involving them in trade (can keep covington and Okafor in that scenario) . Celtics being how they are will probably draft Fultz and try and sign Hayward before trying to make a move for Butler.

18 May 2017 15:42:25
NY-BOS

NY trades: Noah-Porzingis-O'Quinn-Kuzminkas-#8pick

BOS trades: Horford-Thomas-Mickey-2017 Minny 2nd-2018 top 5 protected C's 1st-2019 Clippers 1st-2019 detroit 2nd-2020 Miami 2nd

Boston can build a super team with all these great young players.

Knicks get two veterans and with Melo form a great big 3 that could push Cleveland for the East.

18 May 2017 17:24:18
swap 1st round picks and uniforms. even trade.

18 May 2017 17:33:22
That would be one direction the Celtics could go, and it could give them a crazy core with Porzingis, Fultz, Brown, Yabusele, Smart, Zizic, Rozier, maybe Monk or Isaac at 8, etc.

Fultz/ Rozier/ Jackson
Bradley/ Smart/ Monk
Crowder/ Brown/ Kuzminskas/ Nader
Porzingis/ Yabusele
O'Quinn/ Hernangomez/ Zizic

That's a very interesting young team, even while taking away the two top players. I don't see DA going for it though, since they're already near the summit with assets still coming in. If Porzingis was actually available, I think they'd be foolish not to look into sending NY a package that DIDN'T include IT, Horford, Brown or the #1. Send just about anything else. They have enough assets that Jackson might be willing to take bulk over individual quality.

18 May 2017 17:50:09
Celtics are not going to go into a rebuild situation with young talent. They are in a win now mode. They need to stay the course and acquire Hayward, or Butler who I'd prefer and get a big (Drummond, Whiteside) .

18 May 2017 08:16:45
Celtic Pipe Dream
If Boston thinks it is unlikely to sign a top tier FA and they don't trade for a star.

Boston / Sac

IT, Crowder, Jackson, and Zeller for WCG and picks 5, 10 and Gay for salary purpose, ops out, let him walk.

Boston / ORL

Smart, Nader for #6

Draft
#1 Jackson
#5 Fox
#6 Ntilikina
#10 Z Collins

Boston Lineup

PG Rozier, Fox
SG Bradley, G Green, Ntilikina
SF J Brown, Jackson
PF Horfold, Mickey, Yub.
C WCS, Zizic, Z Collins

This would load Celtics up with even younger and more athletic talent that can play multiple positions they can develop while staying competitive until the Decline of CLE and GSW.

18 May 2017 09:21:02
Makes no sense all kinda awful for every team.

18 May 2017 15:06:59
This would make the celtics go from eastern finals to a non playoff team.

18 May 2017 17:38:36
Celtics aren't getting any of those returns. Smart isn't a starting caliber pg and doesn't have upside of any of top 5 pgs in this draft. He isn't close to being worth a lotto pick let alone #6 especially as an expiring contract.

Similarly Kings are rebuilding they aren't going to give up two lotto picks and a solid prospect for IT who is an expiring contract and Crowder who is good but not great. You are delusional to think they'd get that type of return on IT let alone from a team like Kings that even with him would be awful.

With the importance of a good point guard and 3pt shooting in today's league Celtics would be foolish to not select Fultz with #1 pick (if they really wanted Jackson they should at least trade down) . Tatum likely wouldn't be available at #5 so I'd take Issac there instead.

15 May 2017 15:28:37
Boston: M Turner
Indy: IT


Boston is looking for a young big
and Boston fans want to trade I Thomas before he becomes a free agent. So they can draft Fullz


Indy receive a second star and becomes a challenger for Cleveland. And if we fail, we can start tanking in the 2019 season.

15 May 2017 16:31:05
Hmm. i'm interested what everyone else thinks about this. I am a C's fan so losing IT, we would have to get something special. Turner does have a big upside. I haven't thought about this as an option but i actually like it. If Boston decides to build a bit longer Turner wouldn't be bad i just feel that boston might need a bit more. may a 2018 1st and maybe another player. but with boston sending Clippers 2019 1st if they end up tanking? With IT and George that 2018 pick would be low 20s and the 2019 pick would help if they decide to rebuild.

15 May 2017 17:16:06
If IT and the Celtics win game 7 tonight, there is no way the C's trade IT. He has already proven himself to be a max contract during these playoffs. My guess is that they keep him aND try to ad a second scorer.

15 May 2017 17:43:33
Without Thomas, they're a lottery team unless that draft pick can come in and be close to an allstar. Which is pretty unrealistic. If they do this, they should get rid of Horford and maybe Bradley and Crowder.

15 May 2017 18:02:24
IT is worth a max contract, but if Celtics fans want to trade him, we love to take him.

15 May 2017 18:11:23
Tomorrow night will paint a broader picture of what might happen on draft night and the summer.

Turner will definitely make it easier for the C's to make a bigger deal, whether it's FA signing of Hayward or a trade for someone else. If they sign Hayward then they have to make trades because they'll have to pay AB or let him walk and letting him walk will hurt on defense that will show.

If C's get Fultz they are not going to trade him unless it's for someone big and under control for at least 3 years.

Tomorrow will be the day we'll know more for sure.

15 May 2017 18:45:37
Yumbo, that's the point. He has proven to be a max player, but with the ability to draft Fultz this year possibly, do you want to give IT $30M? Imagine if you move him for Turner, add Fultz, and keep cap flexibility next year.

15 May 2017 19:37:58
Are you that confident that Fultz can walk in and start on day 1? Thomas is a top 20 player, he just lead his team to the #1 seed. I think it would be a huge mistake to let go of him. i'd trade the #1 pick for an established player over trading Thomas.

And yeah, i would pay Thomas 30 million, he's worth it.

15 May 2017 19:38:12
The beauty of Fultz is that he can play alongside IT. The bigger issue will be if they wind up with someone like Ball or Fox. Those guys are strictly PGs, and it would be tough for them to share a backcourt with IT. Because the dream is still Fultz (or Jackson as a backup plan), I don't think there's many that WANT to trade IT. As much as I love him, and as fantastic as he's played, I think the plan would be to move Bradley.

As for bringing in Turner, I'd be ALL for it. I love the kid. He really didn't impress me his oen year at Texas, but he's completely proven me wrong.

17 May 2017 17:28:51
Triangle O, in that scenario, the. Celtics take a huge step back, because it will take Fultz at least a few years to get to IT's level. Unless of course he's the next Bird, Magic or Michael. and no one thinks that. IT is worth the money a will get it. in Boston.

15 May 2017 13:13:26
Boston is in a rare position right now. People say if the give Cleveland a good run in the ECF, they should keep the potential #1 pick to possibly create a dynasty. But little do people realize is, Philly could possibly come out with the #1 & #4 pick (from Lakers) to pair with Embiid and Simmons....not to mention cap space, good coach and other young pieces.

Quite obvious Hayward is coming as a free agent but Boston needs a post presence to make with Hortford. AD23!!!
#1, this year and next, Bradley, and Crowder for AD....
AD and Cousins isn't going to work. Best bet for your dollar if you're N.O.

15 May 2017 13:29:31
Quite obviously Hayward is coming? So you've had a personal conversation with him then!

Settle down there overconfident C's fan. May I remind you that the Jazz only won two less games in a tougher Western conference, and have an extra year and more dollars to offer.

15 May 2017 13:30:56
The Pelicans started to play better at the end of the year. They'll give it until atleast the trade deadline and if they lock up Cousins probably longer than that as they try to find players to put around them. Even if it doesn't work there is no way they would trade Davis. If it doesn't work Cousins would be gone.

15 May 2017 15:36:50
More likely that the Pelicans make Cousins available. I'd definitely offer the No. 1 overall (if they get it) and a piece or two for Cousins.

15 May 2017 18:01:53
Philly is years away from being competitive let alone competing for a title, let's see Simmons and Embiid play a significant portion of a season and stay healthy before getting all excited. Additionally, the odds of both those scenarios playing out for 76ers is quite low and not all draft picks are hits. Yes they could be a dynasty in a few years and a reason why you say Celtics should go all in to win now instead of building for the future.

However, I could easily argue that they shouldn't try to win now since they'd have to beat one of the best players to ever play in Lebron and one of the best collective teams ever in the Warriors who both aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

I don't think there is necessarily a wrong way to go here except Celtics need to make a firm decision since trying to do both is going to just hurt them in short and longterm.

I wouldn't say Hayward is a lock to sign with Celtics, in fact I'd imagine Utah would be his preference and they can give him an additional year and more money (if he somehow makes an all-nba team which I don't think he will he'd get even more from Indy) .

Getting AD wouldn't be a bad move for Celtics but zero chance Pelicans do that. There is no reason AD and Cousins cannot work especially with an offseason to figure things out. Throwing in a top 15 player in the league on a team at the end of the season especially when they didn't give up any key players to get him is a difficult adjustment to make. Those two are versatile enough that they can work together and potentially be an unstoppable duo.

15 May 2017 18:32:27
2 years ago I was all for Boogie because the window of control at a reasonable price was manageable. Now if they sign Hayward, or keep IT and/ or AB with the max to Horford makes it more unrealistic to do.

They have Al for 3 more years and DA needs to get players that are not a max player if they sign Hayward.

If they get Hayward they can trade IT, (draft Fultz if possible) for M Turner (as another had posted) and maybe T Young with the C's to include Zeller going to Pacers which would allow them to resign AB or trade/ sign for another defensive skilled player.

15 May 2017 18:59:10
Not a C's fan. A Hayward-Stevens reunion just seems too obvious. The reason I say AD would be the one leaving N. O is because he would bring back the most assets. N. O got DMC for some leggos and a skateboard. N. O could at least gain another face of the franchise with high draft picks for the next 2 years just in case DMC doesn't want to stay around for the ride.

13 May 2017 19:17:07
The Cavs get Turner, Ellis, and Jeffereson

The Pacers get Love, Felder, and the Cavs lottery protected 21 1st

The Cavs end up with a young center who fits perfectly with what the Cavs want out of a big man and his ability to shoot let's Tristan play pf without having to worry about clogging the lane. If the Cavs let Korver walk, Monta can take his minutes and be a solid scoring threat. Jefferson probably isn't in the rotation, but would be a quality guy to have in case of injuries. The Cavs could also look to move Jefferson and Ellis to save money.

The Pacers get a second star to convince George to stay. Love wouldn't have to play on the outside as much as he does in Cleveland and would get more touches. He would probably end up with production closer to what we saw in Minnesota. They also have enough assets to make some smaller moves to improve the team. Turner is a huge loss, but if it helps them keep George it's worth it. I think the Pacers would give up the other two guys for capspace if someone would take them.

13 May 2017 23:21:05
Love would be good in Indy especially with a bigger role however I still don't think he alone is enough to convince George to stay since I don't think he turns them into a contender. I think Indy would be better off keeping Turner since he is on a cheap rookie deal and a solid two-way contributor that is young enough to build around if George does leave. They should try and free up cap space (move Ellis and Jefferson) to go after a top FA like Hayward (all indy really has going for them is that Hayward is from Indiana) .

Ultimately, I think Indy's wisest move would be to deal George away to the highest bidder since I don't think its likely he resigns and I don't think they have enough pieces to build an attractive team around him.

14 May 2017 01:48:31
It would be a big risk for sure Jaw, but they seem committed to trying to keep George. I think adding Love along with a few smaller moves could get them to the 2nd round of the plays and possibly the ecfs if they can avoid the Cavs in the 2nd round.

09 May 2017 12:54:25
Clippers - Knicks - Timberwolves

Clippers gets: Anthony

Knicks gets: Rivers, 2018 and 2020 2nd rd picks (Clippers)

Timberwolves: Noah, 2021 1st rd pick (Clippers), 2020 2nd rd pick (Cavs via Clippers)


Clippers have cap space before signing Blake, CP3 and Reddick to huge contracts and make a championship run.

Minnesota also have cap space to take on Noah's contract and gets 3 picks for doing so.

Knicks free up cap space but lose Anthony for only 2 2nd rounders. Now they can rebuild around Porzingis moving forward

09 May 2017 13:17:16
The Clips really don't have space as all of those players carry cap holds, which pushes their theoretical space out the window. It's going to have to be equal dollars.

Wolves won't want Noah, even with the picks.

09 May 2017 13:41:06
That's about the right value for Anthony, but at some point don't the Clippers have to STOP trading away draft choices? I get that Doc doesn't have the stomach for rebuilds and that the Clippers are in no-man's land with high-priced vets who have plateaued, but at some point you have to invest in the team's future.

09 May 2017 14:14:45
I hate it for the Timberwolves. They are about to be competitive and could add to their roster. If they take on Noah, by the time he's off thr books they will have had to resign their other guys and won't have a chance to add to the roster.

09 May 2017 15:07:48
Beside Melo is better than any Celtic player currently says Supercollider. Clippers can only trade picks every other year. 2 facts.

09 May 2017 16:14:20
Nobody is going to eat $54 mil worth of Noah - $18 mil in cap space too! - for a distant Clippers pick and two second rounders.

09 May 2017 17:19:55
Anthony is not better than any Celtics player. To say that is laughable. And the restriction on trading of draft picks applies only to first-rounders, and that does not prevent a team from trading down in the first round.

09 May 2017 19:21:52
Really supercollider? Amir Johnson is better? How about olynik? How about one time not speaking in hyperboles. Only clearly better player is thomas. That's it.

06 May 2017 11:40:17
Clippers Offseason

Trade: J. Crawford, Rivers, W Johnson to the Knicks for Melo and C. Lee

Let Reddick Walk

Sign:
- Chris Paul - 5yrs/Max
- Blake Griffin - 5yrs/Max
- Thabo Sefolosha - 1yr/3Mill
- Jose Calderon - 1yr/Min
- Vince Carter - 1yr/Min
- Randy Foye - 1yr/Min
- Roy Hibbert - 1yr/Min

PG - Paul/Felton/Calderon
SG - Lee/Foye/Carter
SF - Melo/Sefolosha/Mbah a Moute
PF - Griffin/Speights
C - Jordan/Hibbert

Clippers go all in next season by bringin Melo and maxing Blake and CP3. Sign Sefolosha who can come in for Jordan in a small ball lineup.

Clippers then sign ring chasing vets for the minimum and wait for the buyout market to add more players like the Cavs did this season. Clippers should also look at the D-league and undrafted pool for good shooters and athletic players.

06 May 2017 12:24:53
Clips would need to add $10M more of salary to make this work.

06 May 2017 12:44:36
@TriangleO Clippers could include JJ Reddick in a sign and trade.

06 May 2017 17:06:43
True, you just needed to add him. That said, I don't think they'll want all three of Reddick, Rivers and Crawford. None of them is a true point guard, which causes a jumble in the backcourt.

06 May 2017 18:24:57
You could get a 3 team to take Reddick pretty easily.

06 May 2017 18:48:58
Agreed.

07 May 2017 00:52:26
Knicks are dying to help clippers. NY should include there 1st since clippers don't have any to give ny.

07 May 2017 22:03:19
Knicks would give up their 1st if the sign and trade was for Paul instead of Reddick.

06 May 2017 10:02:07
Cleveland: CP3+ C Anthony
trade: K Irving+ Shumpert+ smith

Clippers:J noah+Shumpert+ Smith 1rnd pick LA17+ 1rnd pick Sac2019+ 1rnd pick NY 17 and 19
trade: CP3+ B Griffin

Philly: K Irving
Trade: 1rnd pick La17+ 1rnd pick Sac 2019

NY: B Griffin
Trade: J Noah+ 1rnd pick 17 and 19


The Clippers start a rebuilt and go under the cap again.

New York dumps Noah's contract and receive a star

Philly receive a pointguard that can shoot threes.

LBJ can play with his friends

06 May 2017 14:23:02
I don't think philly is getting irving for 2 lottery picks. he's an established superstar who is only 24. As much as i would want it to happen, it would be a as miracle.

06 May 2017 15:15:04
I think the Clippers would rather have Irving than the two picks. I agree with Jvoug, the 76ers aren't giving up enough. If they want Irving I think you would have to add atleast this years lottery pick as well as possibly a few of their lesser younger players. I think Shumpert or Jr going to Philly would good for everyone involved as well. The 76ers need a sg and the Clippers aren't going to be competitive after gutting their team. Maybe, throw one of the 76ers back up centers to Cleveland.

06 May 2017 16:03:56
Reworking it a bit

Cleveland gets Jordan, Melo, and Paul

Philly gets Kyrie and Smith

The Clippers get Shumpert, Frye (exp), Jefferson (exp), Cedi Osman, Felder, Noah, Holmes, 17 and 19 Philly, 17 Lakers, 2 2nds from Philly, Knicks 17 and 19, 2 2nds from the Knicks, Cavs 21 and 23, swaps with the Cavs in 20 and 22, and 2 2nds from the Cavs

The Knicks get Griffin and Crawford.

The Cavs sell out to try ans get more Championships in Lebron's prime

Philly gets a back court that will get them back in the playoffs.

The Clippers drop a ton of salary and have all the assets they'll need to rebuild

The Knicks get a young super star to help attract more talent and out from under Noah's contract.

06 May 2017 20:10:12
I don't think you will be able to add three max deal players to a team who already has two max deal players.

06 May 2017 20:35:07
At there current salaries it works shrink. Obviously, if Paul wants it his salary could be 30 something million instead of 22 million next year, but maybe for a chance at a title and to play with Melo and Lebron he'd be willing to take a smaller raise.

07 May 2017 03:07:11
The CBA has rules for the luxury tax and the repeater rule to make it financially impossible for teams to have $180 mil payrolls, that cost them $400 mil a year.

07 May 2017 05:14:07
In the trade Scenerio they aren't adding salary and I'm not sure how the numbers work with the repeat tax, but with the rise in salary cap they would be roughly 10 million dollars less over the line.

07 May 2017 00:55:48
So the knicks trade pick for free agent and 30+ yr old sg. I get it great trade for ny.

07 May 2017 06:44:28
33.2 LeBron
22.6 Love
22.6 Jordan
16.4 TT
26.2 Melo
30.0? Paul -- still not his max
------------------
$151 million for six players

Need eight more players for roster minimum.

Estimate $120 mil for the lux threshold next year, so $40 mil over the lux.

$65 mil in repeater lux taxes on the first $20 over the lux, $143 mil on the next $20

$151 + $65 + $143 = $360 million payroll.

08 May 2017 00:27:20
Definitely not what you need Philadelphia . everyone would like to have Irving on their team. But the Sixers have a very good team of young men only need their bank's punctuation and patience . nothing else.

08 May 2017 15:28:52
Everything above is terrible for the clippers. not to mention both cp and blake are free agents and not tradeable. if they were to blow the team up, they can't use blake and cp, they won't blow it up for scrubs, and will want young players and draft picks, not noah and shumpert.

05 May 2017 19:50:23
Cavaliers and Clippers

Kyrie Irving and Iman Shumper for Chris Paul and J. J. Reddick.

05 May 2017 20:19:40
JJ is a UFA and Paul could be as well if he opts out of his 24 mil contract.

05 May 2017 20:35:15
A swap of Kyrie and Paul midseason might not have been terrible during the season, but in a sign and trade they could probably offer less for Paul and then move Kyrie for someone else or keep him and try to play him at sg. The Cavs would have a ton of leverage if the Clippers were about to lose their best player for nothing.

05 May 2017 21:00:56
If the Cavs had not won last year, and did not win this year, this would be possible, but the Cavs don't move the younger and cheaper Irving for Paul.

Also, I do believe that both Paul and Reddick would agree to a sign and trade to Cleveland, but both would command salaries higher than Kyrie and Iman, which means that the Cavs would have to add another salary to make this work.

06 May 2017 04:47:06
I don't think the Cav's owner would agree doing this, they are way over the cap now.

Clippers would do it, just not Cleveland. IMO.

04 May 2017 05:08:41
Thunder get Kevin Love and Iman Shumpert

Cavs get Victor Oladipo, Domatas Sabonis, and #21 pick

04 May 2017 07:06:13
Evem if you dropped Shumpert from the trade it doesn't really make sense for the Cavs. The only way Love gets moved is if the Cavs clearly win the trade and get better.

03 May 2017 20:20:13
Cavaliers and Hawks

Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson for Paul Millsap and Dwight Haward.

03 May 2017 21:14:47
Millsap for Love is a wash, but the Cavs want no part of Howard. The guy's steeply declining and his personality destroys teams.

03 May 2017 21:24:18
ATL would do that in a heartbeat.

CLE. Not so much.

03 May 2017 16:19:44
Cavs get Drummond and Millsap (s and t)

OkC gets Love

Detroit gets Sabonis, Abrines, Kanter, OkC's 2017 1st (after it's made), Swap rights in 2019 with OKC, and 2 future OKC 2nds.

Atlanta gets T Thompson

The Cavs end up improving their defense without losing much offensively

OKC gets a 2nd star, out from under Kanter's contract, and end up with one of the best shooting bigs in the game.

Detrioy gets a nice package of young players and picks to start a rebuild.

Atlanta gets a young defensive big instead of losing Millsap for nothing.

03 May 2017 17:12:52
Awful return for Detroit, OKC needs to give up more (likely Oladipo or Adams) if they are to get a player of Love's caliber.

03 May 2017 17:13:18
To quote the infamous Lavar Ball, "you can't win a championship with three white guys. " That being said, the Pistons pass. And 2 low 1st round picks should not be considered much additional incentive. The Hawks say hell no. I'd rather lose Millsap for nothing than take Thompson. Thompson does not fit the Hawks style and him and Dwight together would be horrible. Cap space > Thompson.

03 May 2017 18:02:13
Jones, Tristan can provide similar production to Howard. He doesn't provide the same length and shot blocking, but he provides some and is a much more versatile defender. He's making roughly 7 million dollars less, still has the potential to grow on the offensive end (he was developing a decent offensive game before Lebron came back), and he's a solid locker room guy unlike Howard who is already causing problems. They could bring Tristan in and deal Howard. I'm not sure Howard plays the Hawks 'style', but Tristan doesn't.

03 May 2017 18:16:44
This entire message board is going to be shocked at what DET gets back for this summer.

03 May 2017 19:46:22
rkenne_16, Thompson has more defense versatility than Howard. That's his only on-court advantage. Howard is a better rebounder, better lob threat, better interior defender, and a better free throw shooter. And I haven't seen anything in thompson's game that would say offensive improvement. I think he has pretty much maxed out his potential. Also, howard's contract is 1 year shorter than Thompson's. Howard doesn't fit the Atlanta style but he solved their biggest problems (lack of rebounding and interior defense) . Replacing him with Thompson would be a step backwards in both of those areas, hurt the Hawks financial flexibility, and it would make the Hawks organization look bad by abandoning their hometown hero. The reason you are proposing this trade is to get Millsap, which is only possible for Cleveland through a sign and trade. However, Cleveland is not willing to give up anything that the Hawks would want. Therefore, you can kiss your chances of getting Millsap goodbye. When proposing trades, let's keep in mind that they should be beneficial for all parties involved. Your idea clearly violates the most basic concept of a trade.

03 May 2017 21:00:36
A sign and trade doesn't follow the standard rules to a trade. The Hawks would end up with a long term starter at center rather than nothing. Without Millsap the Hawks will be a lottery team and will only beable to sign young players by grossly over paying them. The Hawks would insane not to replace Howard with Tristan if it were an option. Tristan's numbers have improved the past 2 years after dipping when Lebron came back and when he had an expanded role in the offense he was averaging 12 a game on 50 percent from the field in his 3rd year. He definitely hasn't peaked. As for free throw shooting Tristan is a career 61 percent free throw shooter while Howard is at 56 percent. Howard is a slightly better rebounder and shot blocker at this point, but the gap isn't large and in the next year or two Tristan could over take him. The biggest problem I see with replacing Howard with Tristan is moving Howard. He has a no trade clause and I can't see many decent teams being willing to bring in Howard's personality or contract.

04 May 2017 05:14:23
I know a sign and trade works differently than a normal trade, but nonetheless, it must still benefit both sides. And in my opinion, Thompson is not a gain for the Hawks. We clearly do not agree on these players values. I think you're crazy for suggesting that the Hawks declining this trade would be "insane" on their part. I see Thompson as player who just shot a career low in ft% and has seen it dip 3 consecutive seasons. He also just finished his sixth NBA season, but his best two years were his 2nd and 3rd years. In my eyes, that is declining play. Howard averages 2.5 rebounds (38% more) more than Thompson. Howard was not a locker room problem whatsoever this year. He makes one comment after the season and everybody goes nuts. The negative stigma around Howard is what plagues him the most. I think the media just blows his situation out of proportion sometimes. If people just look at his on-court contributions, then they'll see he's still a solid NBA center. I agree he is probably overpaid but I'd still choose him over Thompson any day. Howard problaby has 2-4 more years of averaging a double-double. Once he falls short of those marks, that's when I'd give up on him.

06 May 2017 15:37:08
Okc isn't giving up abrines and sabonis maybe abrines bc sabonis can learn from love they are just getting love so kanter grant and Christian would make since.

06 May 2017 17:05:31
This make no sense why would OKC send 3 or 4 players along with draft picks to Detroit when they aren't trading for them and B. Love only has a couple years left in the league.

02 May 2017 23:53:17
2 possible Dwight Howard trades

• 1. Hornets-Hawks

Hornets get Dwight Howard, Thabo Sefolosha (sign and trade), and #19 pick

Hawks get Cody Zeller and MKG


• 2. Pistons-Hawks

Pistons get Dwight Howard, #19 pick, and Cavs 2019 1st

Hawks get Andre Drummond.

03 May 2017 00:42:05
Most likely no to number 1, definite no to number 1.

03 May 2017 01:03:04
The first one isn't terrible, but the 2nd one is bad.

03 May 2017 03:25:14
Normally I'd say yes to the second trade but dwight and Stan Van Gundy? Not happening.

03 May 2017 04:46:02
Okay then what if the first one is changed to Zeller, Lamb, and #41 pick to Hawks for Howard and #19 pick.

03 May 2017 06:39:32
If it's Lamb vs. MKG, then there's no need for ATL to include pick #19. Lamb has almost no value right now.

02 May 2017 08:50:44
If CLE doesn't win it all

CLE/LAC/NY

CLE get DeAndre Jordan + Carmelo Anthony

Pg Irving
Sg Smith
Sf James
Pf Anthony
Ce Jordan

LAC get Kevin Love + Joakim Noah + future 1st round pick NY

Pg Rivers
Sg Crawford
Sf FA
Pf Love
Ce Noah

NY get Tristan Thompson + Iman Shumpert

Pg Monk
Sg Lee
Sf Shumpert
Pf Zinger
Ce Thompson

02 May 2017 14:29:01
The Knicks are able to get out from under Noah in this one, but I still don't think they're getting back what they should. I like both Shump and Thompson, but those aren't the types of players the Knicks would be looking for. They need to get younger or cheaper, not getting middle career role players that have contracts. The Clippers aren't getting enough back for Jordan either. Love is a nice get, but he's not worth giving up Jordan AND taking on Noah. This is obviously set up for the Cavs to be completely dominant.

02 May 2017 15:06:43
Soxfan, Love and Jordan's values are probably about even and are the Knicks going to be able to get better than that somewhere else? The only problem I see is that if Paul and company walk, the Clippers will be looking to rebuild and I think they would want young players instead of Love.

02 May 2017 15:53:43
Exactly. Love and Jordan are probably about equal value. but in this trade the Clippers also are bringing on Noah's albatross. I'm not thinking getting a future first would make up for that.

As far as the Knicks, your argument for the Clippers wanting to go younger would apply to them too. If they're going to bother moving Melo, it will be for pieces to compete now, or for pieces to grow alongside Porzingis. While I can see Jackson moving him just to move him and putting aside all team building strategy in favor of ego, that's the way they should be going. Those two wouldn't really help in either route.

02 May 2017 16:31:51
I agree that New York would want younger players, but with only a few teams they can trade Melo to I think Shumpert and Thompson is far more than they would get else where. Tristan may fit in long term, but either player would be fairly easy to move if they don't fit long term.

29 Apr 2017 01:33:19
If Cavaliers don't repeat

Cleveland-LA Lakers-Orlando

Cleveland : N.Vucevic , J.Randle + J.Clarkson
- they lose Love but get 2 young front court players and a good bench piece in Clarkson. Either Randle or Vuc could start along side Thompson

Irving-Williams
Smith-Clarkson
James-Korver
Thompson-Randle
Vucevic-Frye

LA Lakers : K.Love , 5th pick (Orl) + 2nd rounder from Orl

I think Lakers could have a hard time landing superstars, even though PG consider LA , the Lakers need to pay the price to get him but Love could be a start on something better. They drop 2 places from the draft and select D'Aaron Fox. If we could make a deal to get PG using Ingram + Russell or maybe the 5th pick + 28th then it would be better but as for the now

Russell-Fox-Ennis
Ingram-Nwaba
Deng-Brewer
Love-Nance Jr
Mozgov-Zubac

Orlando : 3rd pick (Lal) + I.Shumpert

get a higher pick and a 3 and D guy on the wing

select Lonzo Ball

Ball-Payton
Ross-Shumpert
Fournier-Hezonja
Gordon-Green
Biyombo-Zimmerman

could sign a couple of front court players (vet)

25 Apr 2017 18:15:38
Portland - Indiana - Boston - Philadelphia

Portland trades: CJ McCollum, Meyers Leonard, 2017 Memphis Pick
Portland Receives: 2017 Brooklyn 1st, Jahlil Okafor, Gerald Henderson (waive), tyler Zeller (waive)
Beyond trade: Waive Ezeli, draft Markelle Fultz, draft Jordan Bell, trade Cleveland pick for more salary cap relief

Indiana Trades: Paul George, 2017 own pick
Indiana receives: CJ McCollum, Philadelphia 2017 pick
Beyond Trade: Draft josh Jackson or jayson Tatum

Boston Trades: Avery Bradley, Tyler Zeller, Demetrius Jackson, 2017 Brooklyn 1st
Boston Receives: Paul George

Philadelphia Trades: Jahlil Okafor, Gerald Henderson, 2017 own 1st
Philadelphia Receives: Avery Bradley, Demetrius Jackson, 2017 Ind 1st, 2017 Mem pick
Beyond Trade: Draft more prospects and continue the Process

Post Draft Depth Charts
Portland
Lillard, turner, Napier
Fultz, Crabbe
Harkless, Aminu
Vonleh, Davis, Bell
Nurkic, Okafor

Indiana
Teague, Ellis
McCollum, Robinson lll
Jackson/Tatum, Miles
Young, Allen
Turner, Jefferson, seraphim

Boston
Thomas, Rozier
George, Smart
Crowder, Brown
FA signing, another FA signing
Horford, olynyk

Philadelphia
Simmons, Bayless, McConnell
Bradley, Luwawu Cabarrot, Stauskas
Covington, Anderson
Saric, Holmes
Embiid, Leonard

Why each team makes these moves?
Portland cuts nearly $30 million from their payroll and get the number 1 overall pick who played at a nearby college. Lillard and Fultz could be the most lethal backcourt in the NBA. They both can score at will and can create for their teammates. Portland also get a local in Jordan bell whose defensive capabilities can make up for nurkic and okafor's defensive woes.

Indiana makes a quick rebuild. McCollum and a top 5 pick is about as good of a return for George they could ask for. They remain a playoff caliber team.

Boston gets the superstar they've been trying for and they get rid of Bradley before they have to face the dilemma of resigning him for a lot of money or letting him go for nothing.

Philadelphia gets an excellent two way SG in Bradley who pairs well with Simmons. They get rid of Okafor, who they have no room for anymore with their plethora of quality big men. They do give up a high pick but they get two middle of the pack 1st round draft picks in which they can stockpile even more talent. And who knows they might still get a top 5 pick if the lakers pick falls to them.

25 Apr 2017 20:10:03
No Paul George trade makes sense unless the acquiring team has an assurance that he will sign long-term. In this instance, Boston is not going to trade a starter and the potential No. 1 pick if there is even a chance that George bolts to the Lakers after next season.

26 Apr 2017 00:30:45
If Boston does that need a future 1st rd. coming back to them, not just George. Supercollider is right that's a bit much for a rental. And whoever disagreed is only doing it for obvious reasons, that's just how this blog rolls.

22 Apr 2017 23:18:49
Knicks/ Cavs/ Blazers:

To CLE - Melo, O'Quinn

To POR - Love

To NYK - Turner, Harkless, Frye.

22 Apr 2017 23:50:24
Horrible for the Cavs. They wouldn't do Love for O'Quinn and Melo straight up let alone adding a rotation player. Also, how does Portland end up getting love and getting out of Turner's bad contract?

23 Apr 2017 02:34:20
It's not whether Love is better than both Melo (which he's not) and O'Quinn or not. If the Cavs don't win it again this year, and in fact lose badly, LeBron the GM is going to insist on change. He'll want a buddy or buddies, and Melo is the one that is available currently. Love is the one of the big three to go if/ when LBJ puts his foot down. Don't kid yourself, Love would have been gone last offseason if the Cavs had not have made the comeback, and it most likely would have been for Melo.

I agree that the Blazers are getting rid of a bad contract in Turner, but it's only bad based on the fit. In New York, he could go back to a similar role that he had in Boston, a facilitator, which suits him best. He hasn't worked in Portland because he plays with two ball dominant guards. It would be reasonable to expect him to put up a 12, 5 and 5 stat line with the Knicks, and the five dimes a game would be more than any other Knick put up this year.

23 Apr 2017 05:19:39
If Lebron was concerned with hanging out with his friends, he'd still be in Miami. Love is hands down better than Melo. Love is a better rebounder, better passer, a more efficient scorer ( he average 19 on 14.5 shots a game compared to 22 on 19 shots for Melo this year), better defensively, and younger. Melo's weakness match the Cavs weakeness. Love isn't getting moved in a trade where Melo is the main piece. Losing Love and Frye would take away any players who can play center for long periods and shoot. This trade makes 0 sense for the Cavs. That doesn't even take into account that the Cavs would be over paying by a lot for Melo and Turner and Harkless for Love would be the steal for Portland. That's two borderline starters including a guy being over payed by 8 million dollars for an allstar.

23 Apr 2017 16:03:29
Actually, again rkenne. posting but not really making sense.

You want to break down efficient scoring simply on shots vs pts? Ok? First, Melo has always, including this year, shot at a higher FG% than love. Secondly, Love is the 3rd option, who hangs at the 3pt line. that's what he does. A tad bit easier to score that way than the 1st option who is constantly doubled. But I guess you didn't take that into account.

Love is a better passer? Seriously? Dude averages for his career 2 assists a game. Under 2 assists this year per game. Better passer? Guy doesn't pass. He gets the ball and just puts up a jump shot. that's his offensive game.

Better defensively? 6'10 and gets less than half a block a game. Seriously? No one is saying melo is good defensively. But where the heck to you come up with an argument that Love is any less bad?

Kevin love is a better rebounder. he's a 3rd option jump shooter on a loaded team. He has a far less diverse offensive game. Equally bad defensively. A worse passer. I fully believe he is great for his role, but to try and make the argument that love is so clearly better is foolish.

Oh. and melo plays more of the season by about 5-6 games a year. So clearly that youth thing matters.

Get off it. you and supercollider are on some baseless melo hate trip. Dude ain't a top 5. But to consider him worthless, or actually as you two make it seem, negative worth, is moronic. He will be traded, and he will pull in decent but not amazing. My guess. 3 options

1) sign and trade with the clippers for griffin.
2) trade with cavs for love
3) celtics trade centered around crowder.

All depends on the playoffs, but just stop it. your constant hate is making you both look moronic.

23 Apr 2017 19:35:52
Hamburger look up any defensive metric and you'll see that Love is far ahead of Melo. Melo has his hands on the ball far more often than Love and handles the ball more. Of course he averages more assists that doesn't mean he's a better passer, it means he has more opportunities to pass. The Cavs don't need a third guy who is most effective with the ball in his hands. Crowder may be possible (even though Ainge apparently said he didn't want Melo taking up all of their cap room), but they're not getting Love and why would Griffin opt in to be traded to the hapless Knicks when he can pick where he wants to go. That's the most delusional thing I've ever heard.

 
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