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16 Aug 2018 12:49:35
Knicks/ Pels

To NYK: Ajinca, Emeka, Liggins, 2019 2nd, 2022 2nd

To NOP: Lee

Knicks get three expiring deals, helping to get closer to dual max space next year, along with a couple of picks.

Pels get the 3 and D wing they still need for a very reasonable price.

Triangle O

1.) 16 Aug 2018 17:05:53
Simmons Ajinca for Hardaway is better for both team.


2.) 16 Aug 2018 17:35:16
shizzee, I assume you mean Solomon Hill.

I’m sure the Knicks would be willing to move THJ, but the Pels are looking 3 and D, which Hardaway doesn’t offer like Lee does.


3.) 16 Aug 2018 18:58:41
Lee for hill than shumpert for hardaway.


4.) 16 Aug 2018 19:45:12
Those 2nds will be going to the pelicans for taking on lee's salary. Lee is not going to be getting 30 minutes a game for the pelicans. He could be a good addition but I don't think the cost trade off works and I have a hard time seeing him on the floor in front of moore, holiday, hill, miller, maybe even Jackson, bluiett. Smaller than hill and miller and would cost a 1st to dump next summer if he doesn't work out in the rotation.


 

 

26 Jul 2018 17:23:23
Raptors/ Spurs trade:

To TOR - Derozan

To SAS - any combination of players to match salaries

Spurs and Raptors do this just so the rest of us are spared Demar’s whining. I appreciate that he feels “betrayed”, but now cancelling out of Basketball without Borders because it’s a Ujiri thing? Grow up a bit bud.

Triangle O

1.) 26 Jul 2018 18:09:51
You can't understand that he's genuinely upset and has to uproot his entire life? He is a person and not just a basketball player.

If you were forced to transfer from your dream job and location to somewhere you have no interest in living, how happy would you be? I'd be pretty pissed.


2.) 26 Jul 2018 21:20:06
Bmiller, I understand why he would be upset, and appreciate the ramifications of moving family, etc. With that said, I did not sign up to work for a company that can “forcefully” transfer me. Being dealt is part of being an athlete. Most athletes families don’t live in the city they play in either.

Now, let me put it back at you. You’re working for a company and you no longer want to work there, can you force your work to send you to a competitor ala Claw? What are the chances that I can openly negotiate with all of my current company’s major competitors openly without being fired? Every time a player plays the FA market and then decides to resign where they were, that is a luxury you and I would not be afforded.

I understand his anger, my point was he’s just gone on about it for far too long, and has now become petty with this Basketball without Borders thing. We all know you’re not happy Demar, now move on.


3.) 26 Jul 2018 21:24:32
Being traded is part of the risk NBA players take signing those huge contracts. They get paid way too much to play a game. It's just as ridiculous as Latrell Sprewell saying he couldn't afford to feed his kids on $10M a year. IMO suck it up or find another job.


4.) 26 Jul 2018 21:48:33
Especially since the Raptors told Rozen that he wasn't being traded, just days before the deal.
That said, pro sports are a business and things like that happen. So, there are two sides to it. I do feel for him.


5.) 27 Jul 2018 17:40:25
From a business perspective, it's not a competitor, it's a different section of the same company (the NBA) .

I can negotiate with a competitor without my current company finding out because I don't work in a public industry. I've done it, I've been offered a different job with better pay and benefits, and my current company wanted to retain me, so they matched those numbers. It's really common in businesses.

Being traded is part of the NBA, and I get that. Not saying that they shouldn't have traded him. But Toronto handled it incredibly poorly at every level. And Derozan should be given the benefit to be unhappy with the outcome. It's not like he's asking out of his contract or refusing to play, he's just short term pissed.

I think that Toronto might have shot themselves in the foot overall. Will a big time free agent want to go there with the way they handled this situation? I would drop them a bit on my "Free Agent Destination Power Rankings" after this.


 

 

10 Jul 2018 03:36:41
Spurs/ Bulls:

To SAS - Valentine, Portis, Zipser, 2019 1st (top 10 protected)

To CHI - Leonard

Accidentally hit the send button when I meant to change my initial post.

Bulls have quality youth that can be expendable (eg. Lauri ahead of Bobby on depth chart), and while they are not on the rumoured list of teams Claw would sign an extension with, the Bulls could be an attractive place after spending a year there. Lauri, Zach, Wendell, and Kris are a nice young base, and with expiring deals like Lopez’, Bulls will have at least one max contract spot available next offseason. Imagine a lineup of Kyrie, Zach, Kawhi, Lauri and Wendell next year.

For the Spurs, they don’t get the stud youngster, but they get two quality pieces in Denzel and Bobby, take a flyer on Zipser, and possibly sneaks in that first next year as the Bulls with a healthy Claw could be a playoff contender.

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10 Jul 2018 03:25:41
Spurs/ Bulls:

To SAS - Valentine, Portis, 2019 1st (lottery protected), 2021 1st (top 5 protected)

To CHI - Leonard

I know Chicago has not been mentioned as a landing spot for Claw, but the Bulls have some young talent they can make available in Denzel and Bobby, and has all of their 1st’s to offer.

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06 Jul 2018 02:41:26
Spurs/ Wolves:

Claw for Butler, straight up.

I know this is a bit out of left field, but hear me out.

IF it is true that Butler is frustrated with the young Wolves star’s level of commitment to winning, you couldn’t name a better organization to go to for winning culture. Also, IF Butler and Uncle Drew really do want to team up next year, San Antonio is a team that Irving has previously expressed an interest in playing for.

IF the rumours are true that Jimmy isn’t happy with his teammates in Minny, then the Wolves chances either he or Kawhi become more similar. As a weaker three point shooting team, adding the better player with the better outside shot for a year, and hopefully longer with a good sell job is a win for the Wolves. IF it’s true that maybe Claw doesn’t want to join LBJ after all and is willing to expand his list of teams, why not take the risk if you’re Minny.

Salaries are almost identical for this year. Butler more likely to resign next year with the Spurs, Minny gets the better player and possibly convinces him to stay, making them better long term.

Triangle O

1.) 06 Jul 2018 05:45:06
Very interesting.


2.) 06 Jul 2018 09:25:00
I love this for both teams.


3.) 06 Jul 2018 10:41:47
This is by far the best Kwahi trade i've heard!


4.) 06 Jul 2018 10:59:22
Min won't trade for leonard. He won't resign.


5.) 06 Jul 2018 17:52:43
Bcat, I agree, but neither will Butler so why not take a chance and try to convince Leonard to stay with Townes.


 

 

 

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13 May 2017 17:09:20
Spurs offseason

Personally, I don't think Tony's retiring, so I'm basing this post around him still being with the team:

1) Gasol declines $16M player option, resigns for 2 yrs, $22M ($11M AAV)

2) Ginobli staves off retirement for one more year, signs 1 yr, $5M

3) Lee opts in to player option

4) Dedmon declines player option and walks.

5) Mills walks

5) Spurs draft Mathais Lessort # 29, deal 2nd round pick for a future 2nd

6) Sign with cap space Kelly Olynik 2 yrs, $12.5M

7) Use vet exception on Shaun Livingston. If Warriors are most likely not going to have the ability to sign him. Him, Ginobli and Murray cover until Parker returns, and allows to play Parker less minutes once he's back.

8) Resign Simmons 3 yrs, $22M.

Triangle O

1.) 16 May 2017 18:15:46
Celtics would match that offer for Olynyk.


 

 

22 Jan 2017 16:58:22
Three team deal:

To CLE - Melo, Nelson

To DEN - Love, Rockets 2nd (via NYK)

To NYK - Faried, 2017 MEM 1st (via DEN), Shumpert

If Melo is going to waive his no trade,
Cleveland would be one of the few places he would agree to go. The Cavs also add a quality backup PG and clear about $5M of cap spend off their books to help with luxury tax payments.

Denver is looking for a star, and they get one in Love.

Knicks add a quality PF that would allow Zinger to spend more minutes at the five. A pick and a much needed wing defender also come New York's way.

Triangle O

1.) 22 Jan 2017 17:23:44
Have that 2nd rd pick from NY go to Cleveland instead


2.) 22 Jan 2017 20:21:15
This just makes Cavs worse and Nuggets get a steal. Cavs aren't going to shake things up this late and Love is better suited as a 3rd option than Melo and provides rebounding and passing. It took two entire seasons for Love to adjust to the role and I think it would be even worse for Melo. Yes they add a backup pg but the lose Shumpert and their wing depth is already weak with JR injured.


3.) 22 Jan 2017 21:06:45
Terrible trade for the Cavs. Love fits the Cavs far better than Melo, is younger, and makes less money. Shumpert is a better and younger player than Nelson and there are free agent point guards that are just as good as Nelson. Denver gives up almost nothing for Love.


 

 

24 Mar 2016 21:46:17
LeBron's dream scenario:

After LBJ's "Dream Team" comments, I looked around the NBA for a team that has the potential to make it happen. I came up with two possibilities, and both are below:

The LA Clippers

Paul is already there, so that takes care of one issue. To get Melo there would be easy, a Melo for Griffin deal or multi-team deal that moves Griffin out and Melo in.

Bron could get there via sign and trade, as Cleveland would most likely be willing to take back Jordan if LBJ forced the issue of an S&T.

Getting Wade is a bit more difficult, but again, if he requested an S&T from the Heat, and taking a pay cut to $10-$12M a year could work if the Heat have interest in J. J., which may not be far fetched. Both Wade and Melo's wives are Hollywood types, so living in L. A. would most likely be good with everyone.

Miami Heat

While it's crazy to think that LBJ would go back, it could be possible.

The Heat have approximately $45M to spend this offseason. If Wade and LBJ would be willing to split up $30M of that (Wade $12M, LBJ $18M), the Heat still have a decent amount of wiggle room.

To get Melo, I don't think it would be difficult to convince the Knicks to take a Melo for Dragic swap (some smaller pieces could or don't need to be added) .

Getting Paul is considerably more difficult. Two options are a multi team deal that sees Bosh and Winslow go out, Winslow to LAC, and Bosh to? That could stir up enough assets to send to LAC for Paul. The other option is just wait until next offseason for Paul and sign him (ETO for 17-18 season would need to be taken) .

I hate LBJ, so I don care to see him get what he wants, but thought it would be fun to run with his comments.

Thoughts?

Triangle O

1.) 25 Mar 2016 00:31:14
Or kyrie for paul. Love to Celtics bkn pick to Knicks and Melo to cavs (bits and pieces will of course be included) . Trade shumpert and frye as a salary dump. Sign wade and resign lebron.


2.) 25 Mar 2016 01:08:15
League sucks if they allow players to pull this stuff again.


3.) 25 Mar 2016 01:45:43
If I was Jim buss, I would tell the league that the trades would be unfair and creating a super team. Espically if it's the cavs to let them know how they like it.


4.) 25 Mar 2016 13:35:18
The league's got to be about competitive balance, not team stacking. The league has to approve all trades and contracts. I don't know exactly how they would stop this but the word "collusion" comes to mind. Teams cannot collude so players should be able to either. What James, Wade and Bosh did in Miami was wrong. Lesson learned. It should never happen again.

I know its a "players' league. " But there has to be limitations.


5.) 25 Mar 2016 14:09:09
I agree.


6.) 25 Mar 2016 15:34:19
I guess the one way the league could stop this would be if the owners forced a lock-out. Besides the team getting all the stars, I can't see anyone other owner in the league allowing this to happen.

Its inverse tanking. They modified the draft so that teams couldn't tank and be guaranteed the top pick. Maybe they'll need to come up with a free agency equivalent.


7.) 25 Mar 2016 18:52:05
What would happen if your team drafted all the players and they turned to stars.


8.) 25 Mar 2016 19:30:37
Drafted? I'd be fine with that. There's no organized collusion in that case.
What Bron's talking about is collusion.


9.) 25 Mar 2016 22:41:27
You should look up the definition of collusion.

secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

He isn't cheating or deceiving. He just wants to play with his friends. Take less money. Win championships. No one complained when he did it with miami 5 years ago. why is it an issue now? It won't happen. If it did, it simply shows a lack of confidence or ability to win on your opwn. Nothing illegal. look at duncan or nowitski, neiother makes what their actual worth is. they took payh cuts to sign better players. but that's fine. once lebron wants to do it, with 3 others, its an issue. when he did it with 2 others, nol biggie. come on, just let things happen.

besides, i'd still bet on the warriors beating them. remember when the lakers snagged payton and malone? howd that turn out?


10.) 26 Mar 2016 12:45:27
I should look up "collusion"? "It is an agreement among firms or individuals to divide a market, set prices, limit production or limit opportunities. "

And you know darn well exactly what I'm getting at- an organized attempt to upset the competitive balance in the league. Call it whatever you want. Its clearly against the best interest of the league.

As for your claim that nobody complained over the Miami thing, that's not correct. It was brought up in the Owners Meeting in which they discussed player-player tampering. That was reported in the NY Times.


 

 

15 Feb 2016 20:35:44
Knicks/ Raptors

To TOR - Lance Thomas

To NYK - Delon Wright

Raptors are looking for both another wing and a PF. Thomas is a good addition based on his floor spacing and defense. He's also an expiring deal, meaning he contributes this year, especially with Carroll out a while longer, and the Raptors are not tied to his number next year.

Wright won't see the court in T. O. With Lowry and Joseph ahead of him on the depth chart. Knicks need a PG, why not give Delon a try.

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20 Feb 2015 22:16:07
Realistic Knicks FA targets

I try to be and think I am a realistic Knicks fan. As much as people talk about the lure of the Big Apple, look at the Knicks recent FA track record. It's full of overpaying for old, injury prone or questionable character talent. The LeBron's of the NBA are not signing with us, at least not in the immediate future.

As such, here are the five most reasonable FA targets I believe the Knicks could get, and would be good fits:

5) Goran Dragic - I'm only putting him on this list because he named New York as one of his preferred destinations. I'm pretty sure he'll resign in Miami, but should he not, the Knicks have a shot at him.

4) Thad Young - I've always liked Young, he brings a lot of good things to the table that the Knicks could use. He can play and defend multiple positions well and brings a great work ethic. Knicks don't defend and unfortunately don't hustle much either. He's still young (no pun intended) at 26, and you're not going to have to break the bank to get him ($9-$10M per).

Aaron Afflalo- The guard equivalent of Thad Young with the addition of being a good corner 3 point shooter, which is big in the triangle. $10M per guy as well.

2) Patrick Beverley - Great value addition who plays hard nose D and fits better as a triangle PF than a traditional one. If Dragic is available, throw Beverley off this list, if not, I would rather have Pat at $7M than Reggie Jackson at $14M.

1) Tobias Harris - Most people would have expected Marc Gasol as the #1 non Dragic target, but:

A) why spend max money on him if you can pick Okafor
B) He most likely stays in Memphis, and if not, goes to San Antonio

Harris isn't the defensive player that the others above are, but he's a good mid and long range shooter for a bigger guy, hustles, and most importantly he's from New York and has suggested that going home would be great. $12M should get close to landing him.

Phil has said he would be more inclined to sign mid-level FA's this offseason, and if Beverley is a guy the Knick sign, they still could sign two more of Young/Afflalo/Harris and stay just under the cap without other moves. Assuming filling needs, let's go with Harris and Afflalo, which would give the Knicks a potential 2015-16 starting lineup of:

PG - Beverley
SG - Afflalo
SF - Melo
PF - Harris
C - Okafor

Championship contender, not yet, but 15-16 would be a much better year. With no first round pick in 16, might as well be better anyways!

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18 Sep 2018 13:35:34
I’m a big Beverley fan, but Dinwiddie makes more sense. Pat is a bulldog, but he’s not a true PG, more a combo guard. Trade does make sense in either case though, the Nets and Clips have the guard to spare, and are both looking for picks.

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14 Sep 2018 13:14:09
Milspo, both Dotson and Thomas are guaranteed for next year, take a look at Basketball Reference if you would like confirmation.

I’m a Knicks fan, so I’m not trying to spew Lakers agenda, I’m just pointing out that there are better deals for Butler that are conceivably out there.

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14 Sep 2018 13:11:05
It’s Wiggins that’s the problem here, I wouldn’t want him in a deal if I’m the Pels.

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13 Sep 2018 19:32:46
I’m sure they get better offers at the deadline than this.

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13 Sep 2018 19:30:24
MD, no matter how many times you hit disagree on everyone’s comments above, it doesn’t make it any less terrible of a deal. You can’t have 0 believables and 12 non while also having everyone else be wrong about this deal.

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