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19 May 2017 05:37:04
Boston/ NY:

To BOS - Porzingis, pick #8

To NYK - Crowder, pick #1

Zinger slides over to the 5, moving Horford to the 4, and gives the C's a young stud at a position of need. Though Crowder's on a bargain deal, the $6M in savings between his and Zingers contracts opens up the final room needed to make a true max offer to Hayward.

Losing Zinger is a tough pill to swallow, but Fultz becomes the new building block. Adding Crowder gives the Knicks Melo's replacement should they be able to deal him.

Triangle O

1.) 19 May 2017 06:07:18
Bad for the Knicks.


2.) 19 May 2017 06:18:10
If I'm Boston I'm taking that deal and running. I'd prefer giving up Bradley than Crowder for salary reasons (Bradley in final year of contract) but Celtics could deal Bradley in another deal. Porzingis is only 21 and proven to be a star (Fultz may be a star but isn't proven) and Celtics need a big more than another guard (although Porzingis isn't a great rebounder) . Factoring in they are also getting the 8th pick where they could still add a decent guard prospect (Smith, Ntilikina or Monk) I think its a no brainer (I'd consider the deal without the #8 included at all) . Also, this deal still opens the possibility for them acquiring Hayward in FA. Him not making an all-nba team improves the chances he leaves Utah for "greener" pastures in Boston.

Don't like it for the Knicks. They should be able to get this type of return for Porzingis alone and even then I don't like the idea of trading Porzingis. They should just try to move Melo and start the rebuild, draft Smith (or Ntilikina who they seem to prefer for Triangle) and tell Porzingis to suck it up. Knicks won't be a great team anytime soon but maybe after another year in the lottery and a little down the line once the young trio develops they can attract FA (it is NY after all) and make a formidable team.


3.) 19 May 2017 15:19:30
If Boston is getting zinger the 8th pick shouldn't need to be added to this senario.


4.) 19 May 2017 16:32:08
I'll tell you what's bad for the Knicks.

PHIL JACKSON. He's stunk up the joint since his arrival.

He'll leave before his contract ends and the Knicks are more screwed up than before he got there, 12 million a year to create a more dysfunctional environment. Dolan needs to sell that storied franchise.

Porzingis would be better guided in his career in Boston, they could bring in McHale to teach him how to be great.

Boston just needs to throw in another future 1st rd. pick, Zeller and add Bradley/ Smart and get Lee back. Lee is a great 3pt shooter, consistent, dependable and durable player for 12 mil a year for the next 3 years.


5.) 19 May 2017 19:53:23
That's not a smart move for the Knicks. Porzingis is their whole value right now, and they need to get multiple assets back for him. If they're moving him it's either for a bunch of picks, or a bunch of win-now types to play with Melo. This isn't enough of either.

If I'm the Celtics I do this pretty quickly though.


6.) 19 May 2017 22:44:23
Thomas 1st for Porzinglis 8th.


 

 

05 May 2017 22:37:00
Spurs/ Nuggets

To SAS - Faried, Barton

To DEN - LMA

Leonard is now the focal point of the offense, and because of that, Aldridge looks lost. Denver is looking for some star power, and though LMA isn't as sexy as Blake, he's healthier and cheaper. He would play well along side Jokic, who is good playing on the interior while LMA sitting closer to the basket.

Manimal is a good low usage rebounder and hustle guy while Barton would either be a nice replacement for Manu if he retires, or a starting two guard if the Spurs move Green.

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04 May 2017 11:31:31
Lakers/ Suns:

If the Suns and Lakers stay at #'s 2 and 3 respectively in the draft, and knowing the Lakers want Lonzo Ball badly, could you see them doing the following, and the Suns accepting:

To LAL - Pick #2

To PHX - Pick #3, D'Angelo Russell

This would guarantee the Lakers Ball (if the C's take Fultz), but is truly a gamble that Ball is a superstar in the NBA.

The Suns already have Bledsoe and Knight, but they have tried to, and will continue to shop one or both. Would adding Russell to play a Manu type roll, and still getting to draft Jackson, who may be better than Ball a move that they feel they would need to make?

Triangle O

1.) 04 May 2017 12:07:55
At least give LA a 2nd rd pick or something back.


2.) 04 May 2017 13:18:33
NBA, the Suns hold all the cards Lakers want Lonzo and Lonzo would love to play for his home team so if anything Suns could ask for more because if either way they can keep him and trade their other pg's or trade him to other teams with assets.


3.) 04 May 2017 14:24:43
Why would Lakers do this? even if Lakers 3rd why would suns want ball they have 3 guards already.


4.) 04 May 2017 17:39:42
The reason they would want Ball is that they have looked at trading both Knight and Bledsoe for a while.


5.) 04 May 2017 17:57:03
The answer is no.


 

 

03 May 2017 07:17:16
Knicks/ Clips/ Sixers

To NYK - Reddick (S&T), Rivers, Wes Johnson

To LAC - Melo, Lee, Bayless, Rockets 2017 2nd (via NYK)

To PHI - Crawford

Knicks move Melo, and get back a potential starting backcourt and wing depth.

Clips get a true wing scorer, a quality 3 and D guy, and a decent replacement for the outgoing Crawford (needed to be moved to make salaries work) .

Sixers take on an additional $5M of salary in the deal, but get as good a sixth man as there is in the league. Philly's need for backcourt scoring, and the $60M+ of cap space they have makes this a win for them.

Clips send out $50M (pegging Reddick at $17M a year), and take back $50M.

Triangle O

1.) 03 May 2017 08:07:47
I doubt JJ would agree to a S&T to a bad team like the Knicks. He will have several teams after him and can have his choice.


2.) 03 May 2017 14:45:03
I don't think with Crawfords age and regression, the 76ers would be interested in taking on his contract for the next two years.


 

 

02 May 2017 03:28:47
Spurs create cap space for CP3.

Spurs/ Pacers

To IND - Tony Parker

To SAS - Glenn Robinson III

with Teague becoming an FA, adding Parker on an expiring deal at $15M both keeps the team competitive, and should George leave via in-season trade or FA next summer, the Pacers are not tied to Parker and can rebuild with the space.

Spurs take Robinson, who will make $13M less than Parker, and give them more shooting.

Spurs/ Bulls

To CHI - Green, 2017 1st round pick

To SAS - Valentine

Bulls need outside shooting, which Green supplies. His $10M contract is less than what the Bulls would pay on the open market for a shooter, and Green is also a very good wing defender. The 1st is included to entice the Bulls to give up Valentine, and take on the additional $8M of salary in this deal.

$21M saved, plus the $10-$12M they'll have to spend lands them CP3.

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1.) 02 May 2017 04:29:51
I think Pacers may need more and Bulls probably wouldn't need as much (green if perfect role player and Valentine has hardly cracked that rotation) but in general I like the idea. CP3 would be perfect fit for Spurs culture and Paul and Pop are a match made in heaven. Kawhi Leonard could very much use the help and hopefully adding Paul will help Aldridge to get closer to the dominant force he was in Portland.


2.) 02 May 2017 05:43:05
Pick is going the wrong way in CHI trade.


3.) 02 May 2017 08:54:16
This is a nice plan B for Indy.


4.) 02 May 2017 14:37:30
Parker's not going anywhere unless he asks. Pop may be many things, but loyal has to be at the top of the list.


 

 

 

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13 May 2017 17:09:20
Spurs offseason

Personally, I don't think Tony's retiring, so I'm basing this post around him still being with the team:

1) Gasol declines $16M player option, resigns for 2 yrs, $22M ($11M AAV)

2) Ginobli staves off retirement for one more year, signs 1 yr, $5M

3) Lee opts in to player option

4) Dedmon declines player option and walks.

5) Mills walks

5) Spurs draft Mathais Lessort # 29, deal 2nd round pick for a future 2nd

6) Sign with cap space Kelly Olynik 2 yrs, $12.5M

7) Use vet exception on Shaun Livingston. If Warriors are most likely not going to have the ability to sign him. Him, Ginobli and Murray cover until Parker returns, and allows to play Parker less minutes once he's back.

8) Resign Simmons 3 yrs, $22M.

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1.) 16 May 2017 18:15:46
Celtics would match that offer for Olynyk.


 

 

22 Jan 2017 16:58:22
Three team deal:

To CLE - Melo, Nelson

To DEN - Love, Rockets 2nd (via NYK)

To NYK - Faried, 2017 MEM 1st (via DEN), Shumpert

If Melo is going to waive his no trade,
Cleveland would be one of the few places he would agree to go. The Cavs also add a quality backup PG and clear about $5M of cap spend off their books to help with luxury tax payments.

Denver is looking for a star, and they get one in Love.

Knicks add a quality PF that would allow Zinger to spend more minutes at the five. A pick and a much needed wing defender also come New York's way.

Triangle O

1.) 22 Jan 2017 17:23:44
Have that 2nd rd pick from NY go to Cleveland instead


2.) 22 Jan 2017 20:21:15
This just makes Cavs worse and Nuggets get a steal. Cavs aren't going to shake things up this late and Love is better suited as a 3rd option than Melo and provides rebounding and passing. It took two entire seasons for Love to adjust to the role and I think it would be even worse for Melo. Yes they add a backup pg but the lose Shumpert and their wing depth is already weak with JR injured.


3.) 22 Jan 2017 21:06:45
Terrible trade for the Cavs. Love fits the Cavs far better than Melo, is younger, and makes less money. Shumpert is a better and younger player than Nelson and there are free agent point guards that are just as good as Nelson. Denver gives up almost nothing for Love.


 

 

24 Mar 2016 21:46:17
LeBron's dream scenario:

After LBJ's "Dream Team" comments, I looked around the NBA for a team that has the potential to make it happen. I came up with two possibilities, and both are below:

The LA Clippers

Paul is already there, so that takes care of one issue. To get Melo there would be easy, a Melo for Griffin deal or multi-team deal that moves Griffin out and Melo in.

Bron could get there via sign and trade, as Cleveland would most likely be willing to take back Jordan if LBJ forced the issue of an S&T.

Getting Wade is a bit more difficult, but again, if he requested an S&T from the Heat, and taking a pay cut to $10-$12M a year could work if the Heat have interest in J. J., which may not be far fetched. Both Wade and Melo's wives are Hollywood types, so living in L. A. would most likely be good with everyone.

Miami Heat

While it's crazy to think that LBJ would go back, it could be possible.

The Heat have approximately $45M to spend this offseason. If Wade and LBJ would be willing to split up $30M of that (Wade $12M, LBJ $18M), the Heat still have a decent amount of wiggle room.

To get Melo, I don't think it would be difficult to convince the Knicks to take a Melo for Dragic swap (some smaller pieces could or don't need to be added) .

Getting Paul is considerably more difficult. Two options are a multi team deal that sees Bosh and Winslow go out, Winslow to LAC, and Bosh to? That could stir up enough assets to send to LAC for Paul. The other option is just wait until next offseason for Paul and sign him (ETO for 17-18 season would need to be taken) .

I hate LBJ, so I don care to see him get what he wants, but thought it would be fun to run with his comments.

Thoughts?

Triangle O

1.) 25 Mar 2016 00:31:14
Or kyrie for paul. Love to Celtics bkn pick to Knicks and Melo to cavs (bits and pieces will of course be included) . Trade shumpert and frye as a salary dump. Sign wade and resign lebron.


2.) 25 Mar 2016 01:08:15
League sucks if they allow players to pull this stuff again.


3.) 25 Mar 2016 01:45:43
If I was Jim buss, I would tell the league that the trades would be unfair and creating a super team. Espically if it's the cavs to let them know how they like it.


4.) 25 Mar 2016 13:35:18
The league's got to be about competitive balance, not team stacking. The league has to approve all trades and contracts. I don't know exactly how they would stop this but the word "collusion" comes to mind. Teams cannot collude so players should be able to either. What James, Wade and Bosh did in Miami was wrong. Lesson learned. It should never happen again.

I know its a "players' league. " But there has to be limitations.


5.) 25 Mar 2016 14:09:09
I agree.


6.) 25 Mar 2016 15:34:19
I guess the one way the league could stop this would be if the owners forced a lock-out. Besides the team getting all the stars, I can't see anyone other owner in the league allowing this to happen.

Its inverse tanking. They modified the draft so that teams couldn't tank and be guaranteed the top pick. Maybe they'll need to come up with a free agency equivalent.


7.) 25 Mar 2016 18:52:05
What would happen if your team drafted all the players and they turned to stars.


8.) 25 Mar 2016 19:30:37
Drafted? I'd be fine with that. There's no organized collusion in that case.
What Bron's talking about is collusion.


9.) 25 Mar 2016 22:41:27
You should look up the definition of collusion.

secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

He isn't cheating or deceiving. He just wants to play with his friends. Take less money. Win championships. No one complained when he did it with miami 5 years ago. why is it an issue now? It won't happen. If it did, it simply shows a lack of confidence or ability to win on your opwn. Nothing illegal. look at duncan or nowitski, neiother makes what their actual worth is. they took payh cuts to sign better players. but that's fine. once lebron wants to do it, with 3 others, its an issue. when he did it with 2 others, nol biggie. come on, just let things happen.

besides, i'd still bet on the warriors beating them. remember when the lakers snagged payton and malone? howd that turn out?


10.) 26 Mar 2016 12:45:27
I should look up "collusion"? "It is an agreement among firms or individuals to divide a market, set prices, limit production or limit opportunities. "

And you know darn well exactly what I'm getting at- an organized attempt to upset the competitive balance in the league. Call it whatever you want. Its clearly against the best interest of the league.

As for your claim that nobody complained over the Miami thing, that's not correct. It was brought up in the Owners Meeting in which they discussed player-player tampering. That was reported in the NY Times.


 

 

15 Feb 2016 20:35:44
Knicks/ Raptors

To TOR - Lance Thomas

To NYK - Delon Wright

Raptors are looking for both another wing and a PF. Thomas is a good addition based on his floor spacing and defense. He's also an expiring deal, meaning he contributes this year, especially with Carroll out a while longer, and the Raptors are not tied to his number next year.

Wright won't see the court in T. O. With Lowry and Joseph ahead of him on the depth chart. Knicks need a PG, why not give Delon a try.

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20 Feb 2015 22:16:07
Realistic Knicks FA targets

I try to be and think I am a realistic Knicks fan. As much as people talk about the lure of the Big Apple, look at the Knicks recent FA track record. It's full of overpaying for old, injury prone or questionable character talent. The LeBron's of the NBA are not signing with us, at least not in the immediate future.

As such, here are the five most reasonable FA targets I believe the Knicks could get, and would be good fits:

5) Goran Dragic - I'm only putting him on this list because he named New York as one of his preferred destinations. I'm pretty sure he'll resign in Miami, but should he not, the Knicks have a shot at him.

4) Thad Young - I've always liked Young, he brings a lot of good things to the table that the Knicks could use. He can play and defend multiple positions well and brings a great work ethic. Knicks don't defend and unfortunately don't hustle much either. He's still young (no pun intended) at 26, and you're not going to have to break the bank to get him ($9-$10M per).

Aaron Afflalo- The guard equivalent of Thad Young with the addition of being a good corner 3 point shooter, which is big in the triangle. $10M per guy as well.

2) Patrick Beverley - Great value addition who plays hard nose D and fits better as a triangle PF than a traditional one. If Dragic is available, throw Beverley off this list, if not, I would rather have Pat at $7M than Reggie Jackson at $14M.

1) Tobias Harris - Most people would have expected Marc Gasol as the #1 non Dragic target, but:

A) why spend max money on him if you can pick Okafor
B) He most likely stays in Memphis, and if not, goes to San Antonio

Harris isn't the defensive player that the others above are, but he's a good mid and long range shooter for a bigger guy, hustles, and most importantly he's from New York and has suggested that going home would be great. $12M should get close to landing him.

Phil has said he would be more inclined to sign mid-level FA's this offseason, and if Beverley is a guy the Knick sign, they still could sign two more of Young/Afflalo/Harris and stay just under the cap without other moves. Assuming filling needs, let's go with Harris and Afflalo, which would give the Knicks a potential 2015-16 starting lineup of:

PG - Beverley
SG - Afflalo
SF - Melo
PF - Harris
C - Okafor

Championship contender, not yet, but 15-16 would be a much better year. With no first round pick in 16, might as well be better anyways!

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24 May 2017 02:39:46
Russell isn't worth the third pick, much less taking a bad contract back.

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19 May 2017 05:29:05
If Clips re-sign Paul, the salaries in this deal don't work. Melo and Lee are about $41M, assuming JJ gets $18M, him and Crawford are $32M.

Also, though the Knicks are obviously trying to get out from underneath Melo, I don't see this as a great return.

Finally, Phil has said part of the reason for wanting to move Melo is that he does not feel that the Knicks will be real contenders for a couple of years. That means that:

A) Why would Reddick want to accept a sign and trade to New York.

B) Why would the Knicks want two guys on the wrong side of 30 without getting one younger asset back.

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17 May 2017 19:15:01
Personally billj I think the C's would either have Fultz, or use that pick as trade bait for a bigger star.

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17 May 2017 19:06:24
NLD, who's better after Fultz and Ball? Let's see, Jrue Holiday, Kyle Lowry, Chris Paul, etc. They have the cap space to sign any of these guys, and they don't need to give up an asset like the #3 overall pick for them.

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17 May 2017 19:03:16
I think the key is that he may not end up being a full time PG, and as a combo guard, I think he's got value.

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