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20 Jul 2017 20:18:02
Spurs/ Grizzlies

To SAS - Jamychal Green (S&T), James Ennis

To MEM - LMA, Derrick White, 2018 2nd

Spurs get younger and more versatile with Green, and a solid backup SG behind Leonard.

Grizz pair an scoring big man with the strong defensive Gasol, and a young guard with potential in White. Based on a Green AAV contract of $17M per, the numbers work.

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1.) 21 Jul 2017 02:23:00
Pretty bad value for Spurs I think they should be getting more especially if they are going to have to pay Green 17 mill per year.

For Grizzlies they might as well go for it with LA.


2.) 21 Jul 2017 03:21:59
Spurs should get more


 

 

20 Jul 2017 13:22:11
Knicks/ Blazers

To NYK - Crabbe, Turner, Harkless, 2019 Lottery protected 1st

To POR - Melo, Lee, Thomas

If what Lillard and CJ said yesterday is true, that Melo is interested in the Blazers, let get this done.

Knicks get younger (24, 25 and 28), get a second unit ball handler to take pressure off of Frank (Turner), a younger 3 and D guy (Crabbe) and a hard nosed SF who gives more D (Harkless) .

Blazers get another star, an older but still effective 3 and D (Lee) and a depth SF.

Salaries are within $1M, and that's including Melo's trade kicker.

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1.) 20 Jul 2017 13:29:08
NY is giving better player. Portland needs to add swanigan and 2018 2019. Melo will not go to Oregon. Not happening.


2.) 20 Jul 2017 14:29:44
I like this trade

This would make Portland a contender. C Anthony's still a great player and he has some good years left.

And NY can rebuilt around Porzingis. That's a good return with usefull young players and a future asset.


3.) 20 Jul 2017 14:56:11
Shizzee, you're pushing it with asking for Swanigan and an additional pick. Knicks don't have a tonne of leverage, which is why getting younger players and a pick a win.


4.) 20 Jul 2017 21:14:13
No picks and no prosects take Noah instead of lee.


5.) 21 Jul 2017 04:23:12
Lillard and CJ won't be adding Melo to the team simple as that.


 

 

15 Jul 2017 04:12:58
Knicks/ Nets

To NYK - Dinwiddie

To BRK - O'Quinn

Knicks get a young Point Guard with some NBA experience to split time with Ntilikina. They also clear a big from their front court logjam.

With the addition of Russell, along with Lin and Whitehead, the Nets have a logjam at the point. They're also thin up front and get some quality help with this deal.

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1.) 15 Jul 2017 05:14:13
Nah rather trade Noah for Lin.


2.) 15 Jul 2017 14:44:20
Won't get the Noah for Lin done without including a pick, which the Knicks would not be interested in doing.


 

 

14 Jul 2017 03:09:58
Knicks/ Sixers:

To NYK - Luwawu-Cabarott

To PHI - Lee, 2018 2nd

Knicks get younger and clear cap space. Tim doesn't look like a star, but has rotation potential.

Sixers have added shooting with Redick, but he doesn't bring any D. Lee gives them a 3 and D guy they lack. They have cap space for him, and he gives them a fall back plan should Redick leave next year. Sixers already getting one of the Knicks/ Clips 2nd's from NY, they pick up the other one to use as future trade bait.

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09 Jul 2017 18:10:35
Knicks/ Rockets/ Pistons

To NYK - Tobias Harris, Trevor Ariza, Tim Quarterman

To HOU - Melo, Kyle O'Quinn

To DET - Anderson, future 2nd (Knicks)

Knicks get an under 25 athlete in Harris, which is what they're looking for, along with $9M of expiring deals in a replacement for Melo (Ariza) and a young SG (Quarterman)

Houston apparently has interest and picks up Melo to form their big (though flawed) 3. They clear Anderson's deal, and though they lose a valuable piece in Ariza, they get a useful one back in O'Quinn.

SVG was a big fan of Anderson in Orlando, and basically switches out Harris for him, which gives a less defense, but better shooting. He would fit well beside Drummond as well.

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1.) 09 Jul 2017 18:58:15
Rockets get Noah not O'Quinn. Pistons get worse player with worse contract. Triangle u sound like Rockets. I hope so nobody else would agree trying to copy my idea smh.


2.) 09 Jul 2017 19:00:34
Knicks are big winners of this trade and Detroit comes out alright but although it has been rumored I don't think this move makes Rockets better. Ariza is a great role player who can play defense and hit timely shots and Anderson although pricey has played well in that system. Based on what that Rockets team did last year without Chris Paul I don't think they'll struggle offensively so I question the need of giving up another one of your perimeter defenders (they'd be left with only Tucker as an above average defender) to land Melo just so they can say they have a big 3. In general I don't think any team should trade for Melo since it simply isn't worth it with the cap space he'd take up and the role he'd play (Neither Cavs nor Rockets are dying to add scorers, they both need defense) . It makes a ton more sense for them to just pursue him if/ when he gets bought out.

Cavs and Rockets should just sign a truce that neither will trade for him and just duel it out once he become a FA after being bought out.


3.) 09 Jul 2017 20:41:50
Jaw obviously does not other poster nor internet nor paper. Read between the line. FO.


4.) 09 Jul 2017 21:29:34
Shizzee75, a buyout is still looking like a possibility. There is no way anyone is taking on Noah in a deal for Melo. The whole problem is teams can't match Melo's contract. If the Knicks could get this deal they would take it in a heartbeat. Detroit would turn this down though. Anderson is a solid player, but his contract is worse than Harris, he's older, and not as versatile. Melo didn't have much value around the deadline and they're less suitors for him now. There is Houston and possibly the Cavs, but from what I've seen the Cavs aren't really pursuing a trade for him at this point and look to be hoping he gets bought out. Which seems like the only way adding Melo makes sense for them. It's a forgone conclusion that if the Knicks can't find a trade they'll buy him out. Even Melo is trying to force a buyout. Really Houston making a desperate move is their only hope at this point.


5.) 09 Jul 2017 23:03:08
The cav fan only say that lmao. He won't be bought out.


6.) 10 Jul 2017 00:47:08
Who's trading for Melo then Shizzy75? The Knicks would have to be willing to take on a bad contract from either the Cavs or Rockets, which doesn't make sense for the meager return they're going to get for Melo. Maybe a trade happens, but everyday it doesn't the less likely it becomes and it's already been reported that Melo won't be on the roster and he prefers being bought out.


7.) 10 Jul 2017 02:10:32
Comparing now to the trade deadline is tough, a lot of moving pieces in a shorter timeframe with more teams at or above the cap has always made dealing big salaries at the deadline more difficult.

I don't see the Knicks buying Melo out. Next year is a player option, and with all three of his buddies being FA's and another $24M in his pocket from this season, I think it is very likely that he will indeed opt out if he's not traded and the Knicks have another dysfunctional year. From the Knicks end, why put 5 years of substantial ($11M per) on your books just to get rid of him. Take your chances that he opts out at the end of the year. There are a tonne of much worse players on fat contracts that don't get bought out because of the long term ramifications to the cap. I would rather buyout Noah before Melo.


8.) 10 Jul 2017 04:31:56
Triangle O, I think you're confusing a buyout with the stretch provision. Basically, Melo would to take less than the entire salary (there's no set percentage, it's negotiated) saving the Knicks some money and letting Melo become a free agent. It would void the player option on the contract altogether. His contract would still count against this years cap, but he wouldn't have a cap hold next year.


9.) 10 Jul 2017 04:39:25
Also you couldn't by out Noah, because he has 3 years left on his contract. That would be something that would need to be stretched.


 

 

 

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13 May 2017 17:09:20
Spurs offseason

Personally, I don't think Tony's retiring, so I'm basing this post around him still being with the team:

1) Gasol declines $16M player option, resigns for 2 yrs, $22M ($11M AAV)

2) Ginobli staves off retirement for one more year, signs 1 yr, $5M

3) Lee opts in to player option

4) Dedmon declines player option and walks.

5) Mills walks

5) Spurs draft Mathais Lessort # 29, deal 2nd round pick for a future 2nd

6) Sign with cap space Kelly Olynik 2 yrs, $12.5M

7) Use vet exception on Shaun Livingston. If Warriors are most likely not going to have the ability to sign him. Him, Ginobli and Murray cover until Parker returns, and allows to play Parker less minutes once he's back.

8) Resign Simmons 3 yrs, $22M.

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1.) 16 May 2017 18:15:46
Celtics would match that offer for Olynyk.


 

 

22 Jan 2017 16:58:22
Three team deal:

To CLE - Melo, Nelson

To DEN - Love, Rockets 2nd (via NYK)

To NYK - Faried, 2017 MEM 1st (via DEN), Shumpert

If Melo is going to waive his no trade,
Cleveland would be one of the few places he would agree to go. The Cavs also add a quality backup PG and clear about $5M of cap spend off their books to help with luxury tax payments.

Denver is looking for a star, and they get one in Love.

Knicks add a quality PF that would allow Zinger to spend more minutes at the five. A pick and a much needed wing defender also come New York's way.

Triangle O

1.) 22 Jan 2017 17:23:44
Have that 2nd rd pick from NY go to Cleveland instead


2.) 22 Jan 2017 20:21:15
This just makes Cavs worse and Nuggets get a steal. Cavs aren't going to shake things up this late and Love is better suited as a 3rd option than Melo and provides rebounding and passing. It took two entire seasons for Love to adjust to the role and I think it would be even worse for Melo. Yes they add a backup pg but the lose Shumpert and their wing depth is already weak with JR injured.


3.) 22 Jan 2017 21:06:45
Terrible trade for the Cavs. Love fits the Cavs far better than Melo, is younger, and makes less money. Shumpert is a better and younger player than Nelson and there are free agent point guards that are just as good as Nelson. Denver gives up almost nothing for Love.


 

 

24 Mar 2016 21:46:17
LeBron's dream scenario:

After LBJ's "Dream Team" comments, I looked around the NBA for a team that has the potential to make it happen. I came up with two possibilities, and both are below:

The LA Clippers

Paul is already there, so that takes care of one issue. To get Melo there would be easy, a Melo for Griffin deal or multi-team deal that moves Griffin out and Melo in.

Bron could get there via sign and trade, as Cleveland would most likely be willing to take back Jordan if LBJ forced the issue of an S&T.

Getting Wade is a bit more difficult, but again, if he requested an S&T from the Heat, and taking a pay cut to $10-$12M a year could work if the Heat have interest in J. J., which may not be far fetched. Both Wade and Melo's wives are Hollywood types, so living in L. A. would most likely be good with everyone.

Miami Heat

While it's crazy to think that LBJ would go back, it could be possible.

The Heat have approximately $45M to spend this offseason. If Wade and LBJ would be willing to split up $30M of that (Wade $12M, LBJ $18M), the Heat still have a decent amount of wiggle room.

To get Melo, I don't think it would be difficult to convince the Knicks to take a Melo for Dragic swap (some smaller pieces could or don't need to be added) .

Getting Paul is considerably more difficult. Two options are a multi team deal that sees Bosh and Winslow go out, Winslow to LAC, and Bosh to? That could stir up enough assets to send to LAC for Paul. The other option is just wait until next offseason for Paul and sign him (ETO for 17-18 season would need to be taken) .

I hate LBJ, so I don care to see him get what he wants, but thought it would be fun to run with his comments.

Thoughts?

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1.) 25 Mar 2016 00:31:14
Or kyrie for paul. Love to Celtics bkn pick to Knicks and Melo to cavs (bits and pieces will of course be included) . Trade shumpert and frye as a salary dump. Sign wade and resign lebron.


2.) 25 Mar 2016 01:08:15
League sucks if they allow players to pull this stuff again.


3.) 25 Mar 2016 01:45:43
If I was Jim buss, I would tell the league that the trades would be unfair and creating a super team. Espically if it's the cavs to let them know how they like it.


4.) 25 Mar 2016 13:35:18
The league's got to be about competitive balance, not team stacking. The league has to approve all trades and contracts. I don't know exactly how they would stop this but the word "collusion" comes to mind. Teams cannot collude so players should be able to either. What James, Wade and Bosh did in Miami was wrong. Lesson learned. It should never happen again.

I know its a "players' league. " But there has to be limitations.


5.) 25 Mar 2016 14:09:09
I agree.


6.) 25 Mar 2016 15:34:19
I guess the one way the league could stop this would be if the owners forced a lock-out. Besides the team getting all the stars, I can't see anyone other owner in the league allowing this to happen.

Its inverse tanking. They modified the draft so that teams couldn't tank and be guaranteed the top pick. Maybe they'll need to come up with a free agency equivalent.


7.) 25 Mar 2016 18:52:05
What would happen if your team drafted all the players and they turned to stars.


8.) 25 Mar 2016 19:30:37
Drafted? I'd be fine with that. There's no organized collusion in that case.
What Bron's talking about is collusion.


9.) 25 Mar 2016 22:41:27
You should look up the definition of collusion.

secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

He isn't cheating or deceiving. He just wants to play with his friends. Take less money. Win championships. No one complained when he did it with miami 5 years ago. why is it an issue now? It won't happen. If it did, it simply shows a lack of confidence or ability to win on your opwn. Nothing illegal. look at duncan or nowitski, neiother makes what their actual worth is. they took payh cuts to sign better players. but that's fine. once lebron wants to do it, with 3 others, its an issue. when he did it with 2 others, nol biggie. come on, just let things happen.

besides, i'd still bet on the warriors beating them. remember when the lakers snagged payton and malone? howd that turn out?


10.) 26 Mar 2016 12:45:27
I should look up "collusion"? "It is an agreement among firms or individuals to divide a market, set prices, limit production or limit opportunities. "

And you know darn well exactly what I'm getting at- an organized attempt to upset the competitive balance in the league. Call it whatever you want. Its clearly against the best interest of the league.

As for your claim that nobody complained over the Miami thing, that's not correct. It was brought up in the Owners Meeting in which they discussed player-player tampering. That was reported in the NY Times.


 

 

15 Feb 2016 20:35:44
Knicks/ Raptors

To TOR - Lance Thomas

To NYK - Delon Wright

Raptors are looking for both another wing and a PF. Thomas is a good addition based on his floor spacing and defense. He's also an expiring deal, meaning he contributes this year, especially with Carroll out a while longer, and the Raptors are not tied to his number next year.

Wright won't see the court in T. O. With Lowry and Joseph ahead of him on the depth chart. Knicks need a PG, why not give Delon a try.

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20 Feb 2015 22:16:07
Realistic Knicks FA targets

I try to be and think I am a realistic Knicks fan. As much as people talk about the lure of the Big Apple, look at the Knicks recent FA track record. It's full of overpaying for old, injury prone or questionable character talent. The LeBron's of the NBA are not signing with us, at least not in the immediate future.

As such, here are the five most reasonable FA targets I believe the Knicks could get, and would be good fits:

5) Goran Dragic - I'm only putting him on this list because he named New York as one of his preferred destinations. I'm pretty sure he'll resign in Miami, but should he not, the Knicks have a shot at him.

4) Thad Young - I've always liked Young, he brings a lot of good things to the table that the Knicks could use. He can play and defend multiple positions well and brings a great work ethic. Knicks don't defend and unfortunately don't hustle much either. He's still young (no pun intended) at 26, and you're not going to have to break the bank to get him ($9-$10M per).

Aaron Afflalo- The guard equivalent of Thad Young with the addition of being a good corner 3 point shooter, which is big in the triangle. $10M per guy as well.

2) Patrick Beverley - Great value addition who plays hard nose D and fits better as a triangle PF than a traditional one. If Dragic is available, throw Beverley off this list, if not, I would rather have Pat at $7M than Reggie Jackson at $14M.

1) Tobias Harris - Most people would have expected Marc Gasol as the #1 non Dragic target, but:

A) why spend max money on him if you can pick Okafor
B) He most likely stays in Memphis, and if not, goes to San Antonio

Harris isn't the defensive player that the others above are, but he's a good mid and long range shooter for a bigger guy, hustles, and most importantly he's from New York and has suggested that going home would be great. $12M should get close to landing him.

Phil has said he would be more inclined to sign mid-level FA's this offseason, and if Beverley is a guy the Knick sign, they still could sign two more of Young/Afflalo/Harris and stay just under the cap without other moves. Assuming filling needs, let's go with Harris and Afflalo, which would give the Knicks a potential 2015-16 starting lineup of:

PG - Beverley
SG - Afflalo
SF - Melo
PF - Harris
C - Okafor

Championship contender, not yet, but 15-16 would be a much better year. With no first round pick in 16, might as well be better anyways!

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21 Jul 2017 13:14:01
Agreed, Sixers not giving up a first for Ariza.

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21 Jul 2017 13:12:50
I don't see the Pacers getting a first for Thad Young. I would say take out that pick and the deal may work.

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20 Jul 2017 18:18:07
No way Knicks give up Zinger for Love and the Bucks garbage.

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20 Jul 2017 14:56:11
Shizzee, you're pushing it with asking for Swanigan and an additional pick. Knicks don't have a tonne of leverage, which is why getting younger players and a pick a win.

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20 Jul 2017 13:12:34
I don't know about that anymore USA. If LBJ really is unhappy about the team's current direction, and Gilbert wants to keep him in town long term, they may be willing to do something as drastic as move Love with Melo being the key piece coming back. I'm not saying they should, just that backs against the wall, it could happen.

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