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19 Jun 2018 13:35:12
Raptors/ Hornets:

To TOR: Batum, Stone, Pick 11

To CHA: Derozan

If the Hornets decide to retool instead of rebuild, adding Derozan puts them in a better position to compete for the playoffs and convince Walker that it’s worth resigning.

Raptors get their man in the draft, Shai-Gilgeous Alexander with the 11th pick. While Batum struggled last season and is overpaid he’s still a quality NBA player who gives the Raps a different look. Stone is included only to bring the dollars within a million of each other, helping Charlotte avoid the luxury tax.

Triangle O

1.) 19 Jun 2018 13:47:04
I'd pass if I were Toronto. Batum's contract is so bad.


2.) 19 Jun 2018 14:05:57
Batum sucks and alexander could get nabbed at 8-10.


3.) 19 Jun 2018 16:12:19
Obviously a draft day deal should SGA still be there at 11.


4.) 19 Jun 2018 18:06:11
@ triangle that makes more sense. Derozan is the most valuable piece raps have they are going to be thorough before dumping him.


 

 

17 Jun 2018 16:12:35
Couple of LMA deals

Like my Kawhi post, should the Spurs move Claw for youth, going into rebuild mode may be the best course of action. If so, LMA probably goes as well. Here’s some deals I like for him, let me know which deals, if any, you like.

#1 - To LAC

LMA for Boban, Rivers, pick 13, Thornwell

Clips bring in a front court scorer to put beside Jordan. Harris, LMA, Jordan will Danilo in reserve is a pretty good 3-4-5. Spurs get two expiring deals, a decent prospect, and a late lottery pick.

#2 - To MEM

LMA, Pick 17 for Parsons, Pick 4, Pick 32

If Memphis wants to retool vs. rebuild, they add LMA to Gasol and Conley while also staying in the 1st round. Spurs take on a bad deal, but get an impact player at 4 and another rotation piece at 32.

#3 - To IND

LMA for Thad, Joseph, pick 23

Thad has to opt in for this to happen. If he does though, Spurs get a quality player on an expiring deal, bring a solid backup guard home and add a first. Pacers add to a team that surprised last year, and if Bron does head west, could be a dark horse ECF candidate.

Triangle O

1.) 17 Jun 2018 17:22:28
pacers trade seems closest to his value. sure he is coming off an all star season, but will be 33 and owed a lot of money the next 3 yrs.


2.) 17 Jun 2018 19:02:15
Pacers are a good team fit, not sure about the deal though.


 

 

17 Jun 2018 15:36:38
Multiple Kawhi deals:

Just having fun with a couple of deals, let me know which ones, if any, you like.

#1 - To GSW

Kawhi for Klay and Jordan Bell

Kawhi moves to the two, Warriors and Spurs would have to sign either after next season, Spurs get young C, and if healthy, Claw makes Warriors unstoppable.

#2 - To MIA

Kawhi for JJ, Bam and Justise

Miami loves star players, and they get one in Claw. Spurs take on two years of overpaid but solid James Johnson to get two potential building blocks in Winslow and Bam.

#3 - To POR

Kawhi for Harkless, Aminu, Collins, 2018 1st, 2020 1st

Admittedly the worst player package, Spurs get only two solid rotation players and a young C with potential, but this is about picks and depth. Blazers tried their best to add a third star last year, but were unsuccessful. This year they get their guy.

4# - To LAC

Kawhi, Mills for Harris, Beverley, Johnson, pick 12

This is a popular rumour, and is one I like. Harris and Beverley are above average players who offer D and versatility. Johnson adds another shooter, and pick 12 brings a good rotation piece. Kawhi goes home, and Mills offers shooting at the 1. Yes, Clips dealt two stars last year, but I don’t believe it was for a rebuild, so adding a superstar while still keeping a lottery pick in this year’s draft is a win.

#5 - To BOS

Kawhi, Mills for Hayward, Brown

Both Claw and Gordon are coming off major injuries, so both teams are taking a risk. When healthy though, Kawhi is the better player, and Brown is needed to get this deal done. Mills salary matches, but also helps soften the blow should Smart not resign, or if Rozier is needed in a separate deal.

#6 - To NYK

Kawhi for Lee, Frank, Dotson, 2018 1st, 2020 1st

Again, not a great player package, but Lee feels like a Spur, Frank and Dejonte are a defensive nightmare and two picks, including 9 brings quality youth. Sounds like Kawhi and his camp have at least a fleeting interest in playing in NY, and him with Zinger would be the foundation for the Knicks turnaround.

#7 - To UTA

Kawhi for Ingles, Thabo, O’Neal and 2018 1st

Claw with Mitchell, and Steiffel would be a scary threesome, though Jazz hesitate as this is the spot Claw is least likely to resign. Spurs get a really solid, underrated player on a good deal in Ingles, an expiring deal in Thabo and two young pieces.

#8 - To LAL

Kawhi for Ingram, Kuzma

Spurs don’t get pick 25, but also don’t take back Deng. Lakers give up two good building blocks, and keep 25 to try to tie to Deng for another trade.

#9 - To PHI

Kawhi for Saric, Covington and pick 10

Philly gets their star if LBJ doesn’t land there. Spurs get an underrated 3 and D guy, and two young quality pieces.

#10 - To CHI

Kawhi, pick 17 for Valentine, Portis, picks 7 and 22

Chicago speeds up the rebuild, adding Kawhi to Lauri and Kris while keeping a first in this year’s draft. Spurs get youth and two picks.

Triangle O

1.) 17 Jun 2018 15:54:11
Outside of the Celtics offer here, most of these seem pretty short.


2.) 19 Jun 2018 03:27:19
I think the most likely of these in order are LAC, LAL, CHI. You could add PHI to that if you switched Saric with Fultz.


 

 

03 Jun 2018 15:05:57
Spurs/ Clips:

To SAS - Harris, Beverley, pick 12

To LAC - LMA, White, pick 17

If the Spurs and Leonard can reconcile, I believe LMA needs to go. He needs to be the focal point of an offence to play to his potential, and sulks when he is not. It’s why he wanted out of Portland (Dame), and it’s why he wanted out of San Antonio before his heart to heart with Pop. He became an All-Star again, but that’s because he was the focal point on a team missing a go to scorer in the Claw.

The Clips are the perfect spot to land, as they are missing that guy since Blake was dealt. If Jordan stays, Aldridge plays beside a guy who doesn’t need touches, just cleans up the offensive glass and catches lobs. The Clips pick up a young guard with potential in White, and stay in the mid first round with pick 17.

The Spurs add a bulldog in Beverley, who can replace either a retiring Ginobili, or if he stays, an unsigned Parker. Harris fits nicely beside Kawhi, and moving up five picks in the draft is a plus.

Triangle O

1.) 03 Jun 2018 18:37:27
Just a FYI, The Milwaukee Bucks have the 17th pick, not the SA Spurs.


2.) 04 Jun 2018 03:09:16
You’re right Touque, thanks to a fellow Canuck for correcting me. Should be 18, I had another deal for LMA in mind with the Bucks that would have landed the Spurs 17.


3.) 04 Jun 2018 16:41:45
Harris is a pretty valuable trade chip. Also he only has 1 more year on his contract. Why would they trade him and their starting pg, to move back in the draft, take on an undeveloped prospect, and a big contract? They want to clear up cap space and get good rookie contracts.

Beverly's contract is cap friendly. Harris for 18 mill for a 18ppg scorer isn't bad, which expires next year. They could just not trade him and take on big contracts, have the 12th and 13th picks develop for a year, and then have a ton of cap in 2019.


 

 

16 Apr 2018 06:13:29
Spurs/ Sixers:

To PHI - Leonard

To SAS - Covington, Saric, 2018 LAL 1st, 2018 PHI 1st, 2018 Knicks 2nd, 2020 PHI 1st

Should the Sixers not feel like they can land LBJ, going after Kawhi would make sense for them. KL, Joel, Simmons and Fultz could terrorize the L for years.

Spurs land a underrated Covington who is on a very reasonable contract (AAV of $11M for 4 more seasons), there starting PF for the future, and a cache of picks. I know some people have suggested Fultz be a target, but I think Covington is the way to go. Also, I do believe the Spurs already have their PG of the future in Dejonte, who does not have Fultz upside, but I would rather him and Covington vs. him and Fultz, and then trying to fill the SF hole without cap space. With three firsts this year, there is an opportunity to get two quality players and stash a good prospect with the Philly pick.

Triangle O

1.) 16 Apr 2018 06:40:15
I like this for both teams as long as KL agrees to sign after the season.


2.) 16 Apr 2018 14:55:58
That's the key, Wiz. If he re-signs. That is why S. A. may have trouble getting full worth for Leonard. If he doesn't want to sign an extension, teams are nor giving up top dollar for him.


3.) 16 Apr 2018 19:20:10
Covington saric and 1 decent first? I think since leonard only has 1 year and is coming off a injury. This might be the best they can get. the other 1st are garbage if Leonard end up playing and sticking around with the sixers.


4.) 17 Apr 2018 14:53:02
I like your post triangle o

If your post done this off-season

Spurs moves supposed to be like this

Draft Kevin Knox ( 2018 76ers pick via Lakers)
Draft Zhaire Smith ( 2018 Spurs own pick)
Draft Keita Bates Diop ( Knicks 2nd pk )

Resign Parker 2 yr/ min vet
Resign Anderson 3 yr/ $$$
Resign bertans 2 yr / $$$

Spurs depth
Pg Murray, Mills, Parker, white
Sg green, ginobili, smith
Sf anderson, Knox, diop
Pf aldrigde, saric, gay
C Gasol, Bertans, lauvernge.


 

 

 

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13 May 2017 17:09:20
Spurs offseason

Personally, I don't think Tony's retiring, so I'm basing this post around him still being with the team:

1) Gasol declines $16M player option, resigns for 2 yrs, $22M ($11M AAV)

2) Ginobli staves off retirement for one more year, signs 1 yr, $5M

3) Lee opts in to player option

4) Dedmon declines player option and walks.

5) Mills walks

5) Spurs draft Mathais Lessort # 29, deal 2nd round pick for a future 2nd

6) Sign with cap space Kelly Olynik 2 yrs, $12.5M

7) Use vet exception on Shaun Livingston. If Warriors are most likely not going to have the ability to sign him. Him, Ginobli and Murray cover until Parker returns, and allows to play Parker less minutes once he's back.

8) Resign Simmons 3 yrs, $22M.

Triangle O

1.) 16 May 2017 18:15:46
Celtics would match that offer for Olynyk.


 

 

22 Jan 2017 16:58:22
Three team deal:

To CLE - Melo, Nelson

To DEN - Love, Rockets 2nd (via NYK)

To NYK - Faried, 2017 MEM 1st (via DEN), Shumpert

If Melo is going to waive his no trade,
Cleveland would be one of the few places he would agree to go. The Cavs also add a quality backup PG and clear about $5M of cap spend off their books to help with luxury tax payments.

Denver is looking for a star, and they get one in Love.

Knicks add a quality PF that would allow Zinger to spend more minutes at the five. A pick and a much needed wing defender also come New York's way.

Triangle O

1.) 22 Jan 2017 17:23:44
Have that 2nd rd pick from NY go to Cleveland instead


2.) 22 Jan 2017 20:21:15
This just makes Cavs worse and Nuggets get a steal. Cavs aren't going to shake things up this late and Love is better suited as a 3rd option than Melo and provides rebounding and passing. It took two entire seasons for Love to adjust to the role and I think it would be even worse for Melo. Yes they add a backup pg but the lose Shumpert and their wing depth is already weak with JR injured.


3.) 22 Jan 2017 21:06:45
Terrible trade for the Cavs. Love fits the Cavs far better than Melo, is younger, and makes less money. Shumpert is a better and younger player than Nelson and there are free agent point guards that are just as good as Nelson. Denver gives up almost nothing for Love.


 

 

24 Mar 2016 21:46:17
LeBron's dream scenario:

After LBJ's "Dream Team" comments, I looked around the NBA for a team that has the potential to make it happen. I came up with two possibilities, and both are below:

The LA Clippers

Paul is already there, so that takes care of one issue. To get Melo there would be easy, a Melo for Griffin deal or multi-team deal that moves Griffin out and Melo in.

Bron could get there via sign and trade, as Cleveland would most likely be willing to take back Jordan if LBJ forced the issue of an S&T.

Getting Wade is a bit more difficult, but again, if he requested an S&T from the Heat, and taking a pay cut to $10-$12M a year could work if the Heat have interest in J. J., which may not be far fetched. Both Wade and Melo's wives are Hollywood types, so living in L. A. would most likely be good with everyone.

Miami Heat

While it's crazy to think that LBJ would go back, it could be possible.

The Heat have approximately $45M to spend this offseason. If Wade and LBJ would be willing to split up $30M of that (Wade $12M, LBJ $18M), the Heat still have a decent amount of wiggle room.

To get Melo, I don't think it would be difficult to convince the Knicks to take a Melo for Dragic swap (some smaller pieces could or don't need to be added) .

Getting Paul is considerably more difficult. Two options are a multi team deal that sees Bosh and Winslow go out, Winslow to LAC, and Bosh to? That could stir up enough assets to send to LAC for Paul. The other option is just wait until next offseason for Paul and sign him (ETO for 17-18 season would need to be taken) .

I hate LBJ, so I don care to see him get what he wants, but thought it would be fun to run with his comments.

Thoughts?

Triangle O

1.) 25 Mar 2016 00:31:14
Or kyrie for paul. Love to Celtics bkn pick to Knicks and Melo to cavs (bits and pieces will of course be included) . Trade shumpert and frye as a salary dump. Sign wade and resign lebron.


2.) 25 Mar 2016 01:08:15
League sucks if they allow players to pull this stuff again.


3.) 25 Mar 2016 01:45:43
If I was Jim buss, I would tell the league that the trades would be unfair and creating a super team. Espically if it's the cavs to let them know how they like it.


4.) 25 Mar 2016 13:35:18
The league's got to be about competitive balance, not team stacking. The league has to approve all trades and contracts. I don't know exactly how they would stop this but the word "collusion" comes to mind. Teams cannot collude so players should be able to either. What James, Wade and Bosh did in Miami was wrong. Lesson learned. It should never happen again.

I know its a "players' league. " But there has to be limitations.


5.) 25 Mar 2016 14:09:09
I agree.


6.) 25 Mar 2016 15:34:19
I guess the one way the league could stop this would be if the owners forced a lock-out. Besides the team getting all the stars, I can't see anyone other owner in the league allowing this to happen.

Its inverse tanking. They modified the draft so that teams couldn't tank and be guaranteed the top pick. Maybe they'll need to come up with a free agency equivalent.


7.) 25 Mar 2016 18:52:05
What would happen if your team drafted all the players and they turned to stars.


8.) 25 Mar 2016 19:30:37
Drafted? I'd be fine with that. There's no organized collusion in that case.
What Bron's talking about is collusion.


9.) 25 Mar 2016 22:41:27
You should look up the definition of collusion.

secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

He isn't cheating or deceiving. He just wants to play with his friends. Take less money. Win championships. No one complained when he did it with miami 5 years ago. why is it an issue now? It won't happen. If it did, it simply shows a lack of confidence or ability to win on your opwn. Nothing illegal. look at duncan or nowitski, neiother makes what their actual worth is. they took payh cuts to sign better players. but that's fine. once lebron wants to do it, with 3 others, its an issue. when he did it with 2 others, nol biggie. come on, just let things happen.

besides, i'd still bet on the warriors beating them. remember when the lakers snagged payton and malone? howd that turn out?


10.) 26 Mar 2016 12:45:27
I should look up "collusion"? "It is an agreement among firms or individuals to divide a market, set prices, limit production or limit opportunities. "

And you know darn well exactly what I'm getting at- an organized attempt to upset the competitive balance in the league. Call it whatever you want. Its clearly against the best interest of the league.

As for your claim that nobody complained over the Miami thing, that's not correct. It was brought up in the Owners Meeting in which they discussed player-player tampering. That was reported in the NY Times.


 

 

15 Feb 2016 20:35:44
Knicks/ Raptors

To TOR - Lance Thomas

To NYK - Delon Wright

Raptors are looking for both another wing and a PF. Thomas is a good addition based on his floor spacing and defense. He's also an expiring deal, meaning he contributes this year, especially with Carroll out a while longer, and the Raptors are not tied to his number next year.

Wright won't see the court in T. O. With Lowry and Joseph ahead of him on the depth chart. Knicks need a PG, why not give Delon a try.

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20 Feb 2015 22:16:07
Realistic Knicks FA targets

I try to be and think I am a realistic Knicks fan. As much as people talk about the lure of the Big Apple, look at the Knicks recent FA track record. It's full of overpaying for old, injury prone or questionable character talent. The LeBron's of the NBA are not signing with us, at least not in the immediate future.

As such, here are the five most reasonable FA targets I believe the Knicks could get, and would be good fits:

5) Goran Dragic - I'm only putting him on this list because he named New York as one of his preferred destinations. I'm pretty sure he'll resign in Miami, but should he not, the Knicks have a shot at him.

4) Thad Young - I've always liked Young, he brings a lot of good things to the table that the Knicks could use. He can play and defend multiple positions well and brings a great work ethic. Knicks don't defend and unfortunately don't hustle much either. He's still young (no pun intended) at 26, and you're not going to have to break the bank to get him ($9-$10M per).

Aaron Afflalo- The guard equivalent of Thad Young with the addition of being a good corner 3 point shooter, which is big in the triangle. $10M per guy as well.

2) Patrick Beverley - Great value addition who plays hard nose D and fits better as a triangle PF than a traditional one. If Dragic is available, throw Beverley off this list, if not, I would rather have Pat at $7M than Reggie Jackson at $14M.

1) Tobias Harris - Most people would have expected Marc Gasol as the #1 non Dragic target, but:

A) why spend max money on him if you can pick Okafor
B) He most likely stays in Memphis, and if not, goes to San Antonio

Harris isn't the defensive player that the others above are, but he's a good mid and long range shooter for a bigger guy, hustles, and most importantly he's from New York and has suggested that going home would be great. $12M should get close to landing him.

Phil has said he would be more inclined to sign mid-level FA's this offseason, and if Beverley is a guy the Knick sign, they still could sign two more of Young/Afflalo/Harris and stay just under the cap without other moves. Assuming filling needs, let's go with Harris and Afflalo, which would give the Knicks a potential 2015-16 starting lineup of:

PG - Beverley
SG - Afflalo
SF - Melo
PF - Harris
C - Okafor

Championship contender, not yet, but 15-16 would be a much better year. With no first round pick in 16, might as well be better anyways!

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19 Jun 2018 20:37:33
No from Milwaukee, can’t trade two consecutive firsts and Denver would say no anyway. You’re name suggests why you came up with this post, and why you think it’s reasonable.

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19 Jun 2018 16:12:19
Obviously a draft day deal should SGA still be there at 11.

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19 Jun 2018 13:13:18
You can’t trade for a guy and then stretch him, as I have told you before.

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17 Jun 2018 22:17:14
Probably not, but Derozan is a bad contract.

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17 Jun 2018 22:16:04
That deal with the Wolves is terrible for Minny.

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